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User currently onlinejtl11968 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

The afternoon flights from Europe are beginning to arrive into EWR and JFK. Any diversions or delays due to the snow?

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User currently offlineAASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 447 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

DL 57 AMS-EWR diverted to SYR! All domestic DL EWR ops cancelled!

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

Lots of diversions. Jfk is a mess...5hour delays. They said 1 to 3 slushy inches...now its 6 to 10. Stay tuned..we will hear some good stories from this

User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13600 times:

You can look at the respective airport arrival/departure boards on the PANYNJ site. Here's a link to the JFK arrivals where you can see the diversions

JFK" target="_blank">http://www.panynj.gov/airports/flight-status.html?view=&apt=JFK



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13586 times:

Well its a nice day here in California with temps the 80s   



Enjoy the snow.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13554 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Enjoy the snow.

Definitely did (and will continue to do so). NYC is fantastic when it snows.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinemicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13503 times:

reports on liveatc.net of poor braking condition at JFK


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User currently offlinejustbala From India, joined Feb 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13410 times:

LH 401 flight to FRA delayed to 19:30. Inbound flight diverted to BOS. Waiting at the LH lounge rt now  


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13360 times:

This is quite the freak storm. I was born and raised on Long Island, and still live here at the age of 31 now. I cannot recall ever seeing snow this early. I do remember cold night/mornings with frost by now, but not accumulating snow. The problem right now is that it isn't really "snow" right now (at least out where I am at FRG right now). It's a cold rain with big wet flakes mixed in, and it is coating things very slightly with a slushy covering. If this REALLY starts accumulating around here, I can see hundreds of thousands of people around here being without power due to the bad combination of trees cracking under the weight of the wet snow (which would accumulate even more since most trees still have their leaves), and costal areas are under a high wind advisory so we'll see wind gusts getting up to about 50mph. Long story short, this is going to be an interesting mess to watch.

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Definitely did (and will continue to do so). NYC is fantastic when it snows.

I couldn't agree more, it's almost magical especially as we approach the holidays. It was interesting watching the snow mix come down from my office window when all the trees right outside the window still have leaves LOL!



"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
User currently offlineOEH68 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13315 times:

Why is it that every time I visit this area there are weather disruptions? Last time my flight was cancelled because of a tropical storm going up north, something that hadn't happened for 40 years or something.
This time my flight is cancelled because of snow. The last time the area experienced snow in october was 25 years ago according to the weather channel.



OEH68
User currently offlinejustbala From India, joined Feb 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13288 times:

Some pics from JFK

OS 777 pulling in from VIE
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6812/dsc01853xk.jpg

CI 747 to KIX and TPE, with DL birds behind
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5648/dsc01854s.jpg

KE 380 being de-iced
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1390/dsc01855lv.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1370/dsc01856s.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/771/dsc01857j.jpg

DL, CI, OS, AZ, LH
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4609/dsc01858br.jpg

LH 401 further delayed...Inbound 380 still stuck at BOS.



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User currently offlinejustbala From India, joined Feb 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13117 times:

CA flight diverted to YUL, now on its way to JFK.


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User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12999 times:

Things got pretty messy over at EWR. Mostly slush on the ramp, but some outside areas had 6-8 inches of snow over 4-6 hours. Amateur hour in the ball park with deicing. Tons of planes pushed from the gate, waited and waited, and had to return to the gate before getting fluids... Pretty much everything was cancelled and everyone was told to go home. Roads are mess, saw seven accidents on my thirty minute drive home.



http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5277/photo1mb.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2926/photo2nv.jpg

Photos are just as everything started to accumulate...


User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

A number of flights diverted to IAD from JFK, Turkish, China Eastern, Austrian, etc

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

EWR, JFK had delays up to 6 Hours for inbound and outbound flights on Saturday Afternoon, a number of flights just cancelled. This has been a very wet and heavy snow, the temps at the airports are hovering at freezing and expected to stick below freezing and with the winds picking up overnight in the immediate NY City area and Long Island. It's volume and density is very difficult to move. It is breaking records for quantity of snow so early in the 'season' and for October in the NY City metro area. It could be 4-8 inches in NY City, 8-10 inches in the suburbs, a foot or more in the mountain areas 40-50 miles north and west of NY City. The storm should pass through the NY City area by about Midnight, BOS by dawn Sunday

The rate of snowfall of 1-2 inches an hour, comming in intense 'thundersnow' bands in some places, is making a general mess throughout the Northeast from DC to Maine. Power is going out in many areas due to the still leaf laden trees loading up with wet snow and breaking limbs, pulling down power and other lines, and those limbs also breaking onto roads, railway lines paths, making local travel by car or mass transit a real mess. Some places, including PHL airport was not really ready with their full ice removal equipment for a/c., causing further delays. Normally in the NYCity area, we don't see any measurable snow until early December. The FAA as put in a storm plan to manage traffic in the region.

Stay home and hopefully this storm will pass soon.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12833 times:

Here is a good one.

AAL95 MAD-JFK

Diversion #1 to BDL
Diversion #2 to DTW.

Flight now cancelled at DTW.


Oh how I don't miss at all my 5-years working in NYC.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinejustbala From India, joined Feb 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

LH 400 landed in.. LH 401 now rescheduled for 21:30


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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
DL 57 AMS-EWR diverted to SYR!

Why SYR?
DTW would have been a much better option


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12675 times:

PVD, facing south close to the ocean has stayed in the rain and has received some diversions on a quick look, inc. a DL 752 from SNN to JFK, a B6 A320 orig. MCO BOS and a WN 737 which eventually got repositioned in IND. Hopefully the milder ocean off the Southern NE coast will keep the area out of the white mess and continuing to operate.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8310 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12623 times:

Shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to "Saturday Snow in NY/NJ"?
Every single post has been about delays at JFK/EWR.


User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12612 times:

No snow on Long Island. Lots of rain and very windy though.


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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
Shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to "Saturday Snow in NY/NJ"?
Every single post has been about delays at JFK/EWR.

Not to beat up on who started the thread, but a lot of people I know (outside of the Northeast) seem to think NYC is in New England. Perhaps that assumption is the reason for the thread title.


User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Diversions to BUF:

BW 524 POS-JFK: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20111029/1410Z/TTPP/KBUF

CO 1022 PTY-EWR: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...tory/20111029/1955Z/JFK301041/KBUF

WN 2567 DEN-EWR: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...7/history/20111029/1449Z/KDEN/KBUF

CO 65 LIS-EWR: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...5/history/20111029/0925Z/LPPT/KBUF

CO 109 EDI-EWR: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20111029/1110Z/EGPH/KBUF

CO 1346 TXL-EWR: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...6/history/20111029/0949Z/EDDT/KBUF



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

Listening to BDL on liveatc.... sounds like they are having a really, really bad night... sounds like diversions are stuck on taxiways, not good!!!


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12466 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 23):
Listening to BDL on liveatc.... sounds like they are having a really, really bad night... sounds like diversions are stuck on taxiways, not good!!!

Yeah, it's definitely sounding ugly up there.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 LONGisland89 : JBU504 is having a bad time, paraplegic and diabetic onboard with some irate pax. Flight deck just begged atc to get a tug over to pull them anywhere.
26 irshava : Well - we got some snow - definitely didn't expect this much. I can't believe we actually had any cancellations. *SHOCK* (to me at least)
27 Mir : And BDL's ILS is down, so doesn't look like they'll be getting any more diversions. Good thing, too. -Mir
28 TOLtommy : Kinda curious why BDL got diversions, since it's also in the path of the storm?
29 nkops : Does the tarmac rule come in to play in this situation (listening to JBU504)..
30 LONGisland89 : Not sure, but atc was advising that Washington was on the line asking questions. Very interesting.
31 irshava : Whats the story with JBU504? Can anyone fill me in?
32 Mir : I'd imagine it does, but the ground delay rule isn't going to override physics - if the plane isn't where it can let passengers off, it can't let pas
33 nkops : From what it sounds like.. left FLL at 1040am, landed BDL appx 130pm (diverted from JFK I believe) and has been sitting on taxiway since then... has
34 irshava : I see - thanks for letting me know. Is something up on board? Are they trying to get out of BDL or they cant?
35 LONGisland89 : SWR16 (A333) ZRH-JFK is still stuck at BDL...among many others
36 irshava : Is this one of the only heavies?[Edited 2011-10-29 18:18:01]
37 nkops : Still waiting for gate among many others... sounds like they are deplaning pax on to busses
38 Mir : There's at least one AA and one DL international arrival as well - don't know if they're true heavies or 757s, but they're trying to get through cust
39 irshava : And one flight at Syracuse that is international I believe.
40 Mir : Really sucks for the international flights, because they simply can't get off the plane if they can't get into customs - they have to sit there and wa
41 nkops : DAL141 is a 757-200.... missed the AAL flight number.... that was nice of the JBU504 pilot to thank the controllers for all their work tonite..
42 irshava : Does BDL get this kind of traffic (A320s, etc..) all the time?
43 Post contains links LONGisland89 : I believe the AA flight is 45 CDG-JFK (B763). Not entirely positive though. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL45
44 Mir : It doesn't sound like B6 operations was very helpful, so kudos to the BDL people for stepping up. And from the sound of things, the FAA or DOT is goi
45 rduguy : you are correct. bad day to be traveling up north.
46 nkops : Yes... fairly good size airport, but the bad weather and multiple extra planes causing issues...
47 N62NA : I think that was one of the reasons FOR the new 3 hour rule. Wasn't it a CO (or was it NW) flight that couldn't get into MSP, so it ended up landing
48 Mir : Yeah, CO Express (Expressjet). And fining the airline wouldn't have done anything - it was the airport that was the holdup there, not the airline. I'
49 Post contains links CTBob : More about JBU504 from the Hartford Courant for those who are interested. Sounds like a nightmare. http://www.courant.com/news/politics...-stranded-20
50 N62NA : This is a shame on the airline and the airport. Reading about this - it is just so eerily similar to what's happened in the past and the fact that th
51 Post contains images soon7x7 : Jeez!...last Sunday I was surfing at Cedar Beach w/o a wetsuit, now I'm going to need a Snowboard suit. What a difference a week makes in New York. Th
52 CTBob : Wow, there are now reports of TWO JBU flights stranded at BDL for 7+ hours. One was 504 FLL-EWR, the other was a BOS-JFK flight. The news was reportin
53 Post contains images LONGisland89 : See above. We were having a minute by minute breakdown on the situation via live atc. I bet the bars are open though, how about a drink?...I know I'd
54 Tigerguy : Ahhh, so this was the trouble plaguing EWR. That clears up the mystery I had... I was a LAS for a CO flight to DEN at 13:50; there were pax from fligh
55 GregsterYUL : There was a good amount of diversions to CYUL today from EWR and JFK
56 AAMDanny : VS003 LHR-JFK Diverted into BGR, type A346. The rest of the flight has now been suspended.
57 ltbewr : This was an extraordinary storm for it's severity and especially with the significant amount of snow really well before it normally occurs. In many to
58 airbazar : There was nothing extraordinary about this snow. We get a lot worse than this every year. We're used to it, and airports have no excuse. Having said
59 dtwmtx330 : where was AAL 95 going when it left BDL before it diverted to DTW
60 jetblast : Nothing extraordinary about this happening in October?
61 something : Why power lines are over ground in many countries has always eluded my comprehension. Maybe somebody can fill me in.
62 LAXintl : Because its much more preferable. Its cheaper, and easier to service. This issue came up in 2007 in the municipality I live in. They state it cost ap
63 something : But how often do you have to repair overland lines and how much money is lost during power outages? I have honestly never experienced a blackout in m
64 slcdeltarumd11 : How on earth could these awful stories happen to jetblue again? It really is unacceptable for people to be trapped for seven hours on a plane with no
65 mcoatc : I just posted this in the other JBU504 thread, which was locked, so I'll repost it: I worked yesterday morning into the early afternoon, and went home
66 Post contains links PHLapproach : Repost from the B6 BDL thread after it was locked a whopping 20 seconds before I posted mine. Wish I hadn't of edited. lol --------------------- I had
67 N62NA : Well, it is in the last 3 days of October and it's not like we didn't know for at least 48 hours prior to the storm that there was a pretty good chan
68 nkops : It wasn't just JBU though, several airlines had planes stuck on the taxiways, just hearing about the JBU ones... Delta 141 was stuck on the taxiways
69 slcdeltarumd11 : There is simply no excuse for this. As others said jetblue couldnt get stairs, a gate, or even deliver food and water to these planes for seven hours?
70 N62NA : Exactly. It will be interesting to see how the "3 hour rule" in that "Airlines Can No Longer Keep Passengers Hostage Act of 2009" (or whatever that l
71 LAXintl : Sure aesthetically you can probably make a good case, however in practice above ground power lines are much more practical. When you have an issue, i
72 rl757pvd : You would think one could pull a "steven slater" and probably get away with it (for the most part) in this scenario...
73 ltbewr : I suspect that if the Pilot had done an emergency evacuation, they would have faced a lot of problems with JetBlue management and I bet they didn't w
74 airbazar : So? It's still snow. It still falls from the sky and needs to be cleaned just the same, which is the same way you'd do it if it happened in November,
75 Post contains links nkops : Here is the article on the BDL fiasco: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/.../20111030/US.JetBlue.Tarmac.Delay/ gotta love this quote from the articl
76 jfklganyc : Again JetBlue. Again. And yes this happens to every airline, but relative to your size, it happens to you more than most. And for some odd reason, it
77 Post contains images commavia : Wow. She's even more hilariously clueless than I thought. What a joke. And - needless to say - what a mess.
78 db373 : So fire fighters and law enforcement were able to get on the plane, but the airline and the airport wasn't able to get the passengers off? Something j
79 cotparampguy : Obviously they didn't for some reason, but couldn't the aircraft have been towed to near a gate area where airstairs could be brought up for passenger
80 Mir : They'd be getting a talking to from the FAA as well. You can't just send passengers down the slides into falling snow and slush and then hope that th
81 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : The government has to enforce the three hour rule dont they? what is the point of it if this doesn't qualify. Its just interesting to see since the ar
82 nkops : I'm just curious, is it legal for an airport to deny diversions if they are getting over saturated (and I don't mean fuel or medical emergency diversi
83 jfklganyc : "I'm just curious, is it legal for an airport to deny diversions if they are getting over saturated (and I don't mean fuel or medical emergency divers
84 LAXintl : I've seen airports put NOTAMs out stating they cannot be used for diversions, or cannot accept anymore. Also sometimes there are even permanent such
85 Revelation : Yes, and over the last few decades, we've seen our electric bills split up into bills for electric generation and electric distribution. This was to
86 Mir : Can't go into a gate without marshallers and/or wingwalkers. -Mir
87 bennett123 : If they de planed in that weather and someone got hurt, would passengers accept that. Or would that be the airlines fault as well.
88 mcoatc : Maybe I wasn't clear, but my suggestion was to declare an emergency and then evacuate the plane when ARFF shows up with the necessary air stairs, not
89 nkops : The problem was all gates were full... the gate 504 was suppose to go into had a plane which was suppose to pushback but was stuck in snow..
90 izbtmnhd : After two consecutive Feb. 2010 blizzards, MWAA put out an IAD NOTAM saying the airport wasn't taking diversions. That NOTAM was up for about 36 hour
91 jfklganyc : "Can't go into a gate without marshallers and/or wingwalkers." Sure you can Mir. They are there for a precaution during normal operations. This was a
92 ScottB : That's not entirely true. There are neighborhoods in the City of Boston with above-ground utility lines -- but they are the suburban neighborhoods. T
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