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Iran Air Boeing 727 Hero Pilot Snubbed  
User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14883 times:

For those of you who have seen the amazing footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ3cHPxsi2k) of the Iran Air Boeing 727 performing an emergency landing in Tehran following the failure of the front landing gear last week, it may come as a surprise to learn that the pilot who performed this miracle has apparently been given the "Cold shoulder" by the Iranian aviation authorities.

Judging from the pilots comments as quoted in the Washington Post, it seems that the Iranian Aviation Authorities have been largely ignorant of the incident and have made no effort to thank or congratulate the Iran Air crew for their heroic actions. The pilot contrasts this with the heroic treatment of US Airways Captain Chesley Sullenberger in the aftermath of the Hudson River incident, and it certainly does seem strange that the aviation authorities, especially the national regulator, the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) could be so ignorant as not to show appreciation for the amazingly skilled efforts of the Iran Air crew in averting catastrophe. Would it hurt to say a simple "Thank you"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...r/2011/10/29/gIQAffIbSM_story.html

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14622 times:

Was the IR 747SP that had similar incident in Beijing thanked?

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

I think he did a great job too but why on earth would their Aviation Authority be expected to make a fuss over him.



As a Professional Pilot, I assure you that as far as dealing with your national aviation authority you are happy to not be noticed !



I have had a few incidents involving mechanical failures over the over the years and was always happy to have nothing said by the FAA, believe me they can pick apart anyone's performance.



I would expect his supervisor / chief pilot said well done and deservedly so but he was just doing his job and while he did it very well I would disagree with the 'Hero' description.


I suspect he would too.

[Edited 2011-10-30 01:59:28]


The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineEVAAIRBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2009, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14615 times:

Best landing ever without the nosegear   

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5471 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14505 times:

That was very smooth.


What the...?
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14505 times:

An Excellent job....Undoubtly.......


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14387 times:

Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 3):
Best landing ever without the nosegear

I'll agree with that.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 2):
I think he did a great job too but why on earth would their Aviation Authority be expected to make a fuss over him.

In the aftermath of the Hudson River incident, US Airways Captain Chesley Sullenberger turned into a national celebrity virtually overnight. So perhaps for the same reasons that a fuss was made over "Sully", the Iran Air crew were expecting some sort of recognition? Instead, as described in the Washington Post article link above, the Iran Air pilot has been forced to take leave for 2 months and has been sent home. Go figure...


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14313 times:

A China Eastern MD-11 in similar incident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xghzX573wY

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14296 times:

I am pretty sure that this

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 6):
the Iran Air pilot has been forced to take leave for 2 months and has been sent home.

is naive to believe and only half of the story. Maybe he was sent home because he suffered a trauma or other psychological issues following this incident?

Also it should be noted that 'hero-adulation' in general is a cultural convention and not intrinsic to mankind. Remember the crash landing of Hapag LLoyd 3378, or the infamous Azores Glider. No ''fuss'' was created about these pilots either - at least not to the extent of Sullenberger.

On the same note, most nations don't talk about their citizens as ''the greatest people on earth'', don't call soldiers ''heroes'' or make accomplished indivduals out to be ''a great American/New Yorker/ etc.''. The pilot did an amazing job bringing this airplane down. But that's his job. If you start calling him a hero, you imply that the other pilots at the airline couldn't have done it and are inferior to him.

Personally, I'd prefer to applaud the great training levels of Iranian pilots especially considering the circumstances under wich they operate. That this very pilot is extremely talented goes without saying..

[Edited 2011-10-30 03:41:55]


..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlineEVAAIRBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2009, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14162 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):

Nice videos, great landing also expecially    with the md-11, a difficult aircraft to handle. And nice for the passengers, they are welcomed by a shower    .


User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14120 times:

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 6):
In the aftermath of the Hudson River incident, US Airways Captain Chesley Sullenberger turned into a national celebrity virtually overnight. So perhaps for the same reasons that a fuss was made over "Sully", the Iran Air crew were expecting some sort of recognition? Instead, as described in the Washington Post article link above, the Iran Air pilot has been forced to take leave for 2 months and has been sent home. Go figure...

Maybe so but I believe there is a substantial difference between landing an aircraft with a stuck landing gear, and ditching an airliner with no power in an unprecedented event (never before has a commercial airliner successfully ditched with the survival of all passengers, let along in the Hudson River).

I believe this is more on a par with the JetBlue A320 that had a stuck landing gear on landing at LAX. Now what was that captain's name again...?


User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 14024 times:

In the Iran Air video, it looks that the flight crew did a great job! Any airline mention anything in the press regarding the efforts of the crew?,

On another note - I wonder if the fire trucks are worth more than the plane?


User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13799 times:

Quoting something (Reply 8):
Maybe he was sent home because he suffered a trauma or other psychological issues following this incident?

Maybe, but from reading the Washington Post article it seems that the Iran Air pilot genuinely has a sense of discontentment over his treatment after the incident, he certainly comes across that way.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 10):
I believe this is more on a par with the JetBlue A320 that had a stuck landing gear on landing at LAX. Now what was that captain's name again...?

I think that the dynamic is different here, Iran Air struggles to keep it's Boeing 727's and 747's flying at the best of times (largely due to sanctions) with the JetBlue A320 LAX incident - what sanctions does JetBlue face? Try keeping your cool during an emergency landing in a 40 year old aircraft that should have been retired 15+ years ago...


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13685 times:

I think you are misusing the term "hero" by using it for Capt. Sully or this pilot in Iran. A true hero is someone who acts to save life by endangering his own.
Capt Sully has himself said this.


User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13549 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 13):
I think you are misusing the term "hero" by using it for Capt. Sully or this pilot in Iran. A true hero is someone who acts to save life by endangering his own.

Actually, Thomas Erdbrink of the Washington Post used the term "Hero" - he wrote the article that has been quoted in this thread.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

So now its bad to not have sensationalist media?


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

The circus masters could never understand why "He did his job" is a greater compliment to those pilots than all the media frenzies on earth. Same with soldiers.
Maybe I'm the only one who thought Sully liked seeing himself on TV way too much.



Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13187 times:

So, the pilot did what he was trained to do. Im sure alot of people shook his hand, patted his back, and thanked him. Did anyone really expect a ticker tape parade for him in Iran?

User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13143 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 16):
Maybe I'm the only one who thought Sully liked seeing himself on TV way too much.

Well "Sully" certainly appears to have given other pilots a taste for the lime light - the Iran Air pilot seems to think he is entitled to his 15 minutes of fame, which sadly for him he is yet to achieve in his own country.


User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12411 times:

There's an important difference. Sully was a hero following a probably unavoidable accident. The Iranair captain was a hero following a mechanical malfunction and making a big deal about it will have the unwelcome side effect of shining a spotlight on the dismal safety record of Iranian carriers which is likely completely due to the us embargo but still not a area they want to highlight.

User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Quoting panpan (Reply 19):
The Iranair captain was a hero following a mechanical malfunction

If Iran Air's Boeing 727 crash landing was caused by a maintenance failure issue, should this not be further reason for the Iran Air flight crew to be given credit for averting disaster?

Just last month, the Iranian Minister of Transportation, Ali Nikzad blamed the pilot of Iranian carrier Mahan Air for the crash landing of an A300, whereupon the heavy impact of landing caused the front landing gear tire to burst.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1843370&Lang=E

If the Iran Air Boeing 727 had landed with similar impact to the Mahan Air A300, there is a great probability that there would have been serious casualties - the fact that Iran Air's flight crew kept their cool in light of the landing gear failure, and made a perfect landing, is surely is worthy of applause? In the article link posted at the start of this thread: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iranian-hero-pilot-gets-cold-shoulder/2011/10/29/gIQAffIbSM_story.html) that's all the pilot appears to be saying - "How come I didn't get any applause from the authorities the way that Sully did?" "Furthermore, why did they send me home for 2 months against my will?" Surely Iran Air needs as many capable pilots like this to be on the line as possible - the last place you want a talented pilot to be during a major mechanical failure (there are lots of these in Iran) is at home in front of his TV...


User currently offlinevanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11591 times:

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 6):
In the aftermath of the Hudson River incident, US Airways Captain Chesley Sullenberger turned into a national celebrity virtually overnight. So perhaps for the same reasons that a fuss was made over "Sully", the Iran Air crew were expecting some sort of recognition?

Landing an A320 on the Hudson with twin engine failures is a tad more exceptional than a 727 landing nose-gear-up on a runway with emergency equipment standing by. His landing was very nice, don't get me wrong. But it's a little more common/uneventful than ditching in a river during Winter.



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User currently offlinealphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

What? No Nissan pickups in Tehran?


"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

It was a fantastic landing, job well done by the Captain and the crew, however,

Quoting qantas747flyer (Thread starter):
The pilot contrasts this with the heroic treatment of US Airways Captain Chesley Sullenberger in the aftermath of the Hudson River incident

This is much different. A double engine failure and dtich into the water is much more difficult, dangerous and usually deadly than a nose gear failure.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently onlineB737900 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9356 times:
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Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 10):
never before has a commercial airliner successfully ditched with the survival of all passengers, let along in the Hudson River).

Not true. October 16, 1956. Pan Am "Clipper Sovereign", a Stratocrusier (N90943) enroute San Francisco - Honolulu ditched in the Pacific Ocean. 31 on board; zero fatalities. All rescued by USCG cutter.

[Edited 2011-10-30 12:12:18]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Please continue the discussion in the existing thread on this incident:

IR 727 Landed Without Nose Gear (by Gonzalo Oct 19 2011 in Civil Aviation)

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