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Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found  
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16581 times:
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Cockpit and crew located. Presumably recorders will be located shortly...

http://avherald.com/h?article=44062b99&opt=0

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Asiana Cargo 747 Crashed Off Jeju Island (by gyojoo Jul 27 2011 in Civil Aviation)

additional info:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nati...02000000AEN20111030001700315F.HTML

[Edited 2011-10-30 11:56:28]


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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15734 times:

There is speculation that the crash was intentional, as the pilot was heavily in debt and had taken out multiple life insurance policies within weeks of the crash. I can't remember the source, but it was today (10/30) on the one of the online news services.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1777 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15527 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 1):

Here's a link to the Korea Times article discussing this possibility:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/113_97635.html

I'm going to wait until the FDR/CVR are recovered until I make any comment on this.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15268 times:

Maybe it's a translation problem but a few things strike me about the above linked article..

Quote:
They said it made no sense for the pilot who earned 200 million won a year

That's nearly €130 000 or US$ 180 000. That is a healthy salary. And a ridiculous currency.

Quote:
to engage in an insurance scam by taking his life and destroying the airplane full of highly valuable cargo.

This sounds extremely callous to me, like ''If you want to kill yourself fine, but please make it cheap.'' But maybe Korean culture is similar to Japanese, where suicide seems socially accepted for those who have brought shame upon their name. Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure. Still peculiar to my European ear they mention the aircraft, but not the life of the other pilot.

In any way.. I don't envy the salvage team in any way. What a gruesome sight that must have been. Hopefully the blackbox can deliver conclusive evidence as to what caused the crash and help prevent future accidents. At least in that way they died for something more meaningful than financial debt or defunct cargo.



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User currently offlineyodobashi From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2007, 227 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12141 times:

Quoting something (Reply 3):
Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure.

Agreed, but if there's any truth in the speculation he took his own life so his beneficiaries could claim from insurance policies, these would invariably not pay out in the event of suicide. On the other hand, if it's declared an accident then the insurance would most likely pay up.

I'm guessing if it was intentional, this was probably his thinking .... not that it makes it any more excusable!



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User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

Quoting something (Reply 3):
This sounds extremely callous to me, like ''If you want to kill yourself fine, but please make it cheap.'' But maybe Korean culture is similar to Japanese, where suicide seems socially accepted for those who have brought shame upon their name. Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure. Still peculiar to my European ear they mention the aircraft, but not the life of the other pilot.

In any way.. I don't envy the salvage team in any way. What a gruesome sight that must have been. Hopefully the blackbox can deliver conclusive evidence as to what caused the crash and help prevent future accidents. At least in that way they died for something more meaningful than financial debt or defunct cargo.

Remind us back to 1996 where Silkair flight 185 crashed with over 100 passengers and crew on board and that act was done intentionally on a brand new B737-300 as the pilot was heavily indebted too due to the share prices that fell quickly.


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10748 times:

After reading the Avherald report, an intentional crash seems highly unlikely!

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