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Cops Using Spy Planes To Record Mobile Phone Calls  
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

Not seen this posted (apologies if I've missed it).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-of-pounds-on-secret-aircraft.html

Not sure what a Cessna F04 is though.   

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User currently offlineblooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Not sure what a Cessna F04 is though.

I can only guess it's a Cessna 404. Trouble is churnalists these days just cut and paste without taking a minute or two to Google.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12649 times:

Umm, I thought it was common knowledge the Police had planes. You see them all the time around Manchester

http://daverob.catalyst2.com/Flight4/PolicePlane.jpg

Saw this all the time when I lived in Manchester


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

They do have planes, I am not disputing that, but these are special mobile call monitoring planes. Those are not the Islanders afaik or are you saying that you've known your mobile calls have been monitored by these police planes for a long time already?

User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

Ok. Maybe I'm unfamiliar with mobile phones in Britain, but what possible use would a plane like that be in intercepting modern digital phone calls? They'd be picking up dozens of cells at once and trying to sift one call out of thousands. It's hard enough when you're trying to do it off a single site. Not the sort of system you put on a Cessna.

In any case, I never had much sympathy for anyone dumb enough to think and call they make is private.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12260 times:

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Not sure what a Cessna F04 is though

It is probably a F406 - a Cessna 404 type updated with PW PT-6 engines to make it closer to the Cessna 414 - built by Reims Aviation in Reims, France.

Cessna in the US ended production of twin piston/ twin turbo-prop aircraft about 20 years ago; however Reims continues to build new F406 aircraft today. One of their biggest sellers is a maritime surveillance version, not a big adaptation to use it for electronic surveillance.

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 4):
but what possible use would a plane like that be in intercepting modern digital phone calls?

As you imply - there is no difficulty for police to intercept cell phone communications. As far as an aircraft - the purpose would be to collect transmissions for later analysis at ground stations.

Folks would be amazed how easy it is to target a single phone and intercept the signals from that phone. An aircraft would be very useful for a phone when the user is in a vehicle or other transportation source.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12111 times:

The Nor Leasing Cessna F406s alleged in the article to be used for this are G-BVJT and G-TDSA (both registered to them and both based at Farnborough).
I had always wondered what those aircraft did, perhaps this article provides the explanation? (or perhaps not   )



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12047 times:

It's not just the "Met".........

http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/islander.cfm

These 2 Islanders are used by the RAF for "light communications" i.e. by MI5 for monitoring terror suspects mobile calls.



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User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 723 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11961 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 7):
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/islander.cfm

These 2 Islanders are used by the RAF for "light communications" i.e. by MI5 for monitoring terror suspects mobile calls.

seen all the time operating out of Northolt ( NHT ) West London.
On Sunny days, often seen doing 10000ft circuits....


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 7):
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/islander.cfm

These 2 Islanders are used by the RAF for "light communications"

A bit off topic, sorry, but looking at the aircraft specs on that link, I fail to see how this aircraft operates with zero thrust.  


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11366 times:

The feds have been monitoring cell calls for some time now. I'm not sure the state or local jurisdictions would have the legal ability to do this.


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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 10):

In the UK the police are required to go to court and get an order to intercept communications,written or spoken, M.I.5 however are a lot less restricted.  



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

They'd better take better care of it than Merseyside Police (UK) did of their drone recently:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...into-river-mersey-100252-29689413/

    


User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11004 times:
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Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 12):
They'd better take better care of it than Merseyside Police (UK) did of their drone recently:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...into-river-mersey-100252-29689413/

Whops! Love the sensationalist tone of voice. Uk press huhhh.

Sandyb123



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