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LO016 EWR-WAW Emergency  
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72241 times:

Polish media is reporting in-flight emergency of LO016, Lot Polish Airlines 767-300ER. Apparently gear and flaps failure. WAW is closed and preparing for emergency landing, the police also closed nearby Krakowska street.

I'll advise further as soon as I get visual on TV

The affected frame is SP-LPC, the newest airframe, built in 1996 IIRC.

[Edited 2011-11-01 06:52:32 by lh526]


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[Edited 2011-11-01 10:36:28 by wilco737]


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User currently offlinescarebus03 From Ireland, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72402 times:

I hope they'll be ok but he probably has gravity gear extension and electrically backed up flaps, so fingers crossed.

Brgds



No faults found......................
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72259 times:

I got visual. Gear is up. Praying for the best. Good luck to the crew.


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User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 730 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72230 times:

very erratic flightpath over Poland......

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2789 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72078 times:
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Didn't they have another emergency to Chicago some time ago as well? Could it be the same plane?

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72149 times:

airport overview of WAW


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 72086 times:

Belly landing - flaps 15, gear up, small fire extinguished, pax evacuated. Frame most likely out of service for a while.

[Edited 2011-11-01 06:46:36]


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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5305 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71791 times:

Belly landing? Wow, and that with such a large jet. Hope everyone is fine.

Any pics from the media yet?


User currently offlinehoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71725 times:

Polish TV (TVN24) just showed the video. Full belly up landing. Amazing piloting skills. Reports of no injuries.


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71566 times:
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Did they foam the runway?


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71530 times:

That's some awesome airmanship.

Edit: correction: from what I see, 767 landed at full flaps, with gear up.

[Edited 2011-11-01 06:55:20]


Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71611 times:
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Media at it allready:

http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1722771,0,1,kl...boeinga-nad-okeciem,wiadomosc.html



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71506 times:

Still image of the landing on the front page of this site.


http://www.tvn24.pl/


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71391 times:

http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1722771,0,1,kl...boeinga-nad-okeciem,wiadomosc.html

Video link above, wait through the commercial.



Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71221 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 12):

Holy Crap!!!!!


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71154 times:

Amazing flying skills!!! All hats off for the crew...hope for 0 injuries.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71067 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 12):
Still image of the landing on the front page of this site.
Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 9):
Did they foam the runway?

It looks like something is spraying up based on the pictures/video on Post 12, so it appears so. Unless that's water and it had rained...


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71075 times:

0 injuries just confirmed - truly amazing job. Both pilots deserve an award for this.

Bad news for everyone WAW bound: 767 is resting at the runway crossing, airport is closed until the damaged aircraft is removed.

[Edited 2011-11-01 07:07:17]


Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70982 times:

Wow! Would this have been a total hydraulic failure??? This seems so rare for a widebody and shocked that a manual freefall didn't work either.


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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5305 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70974 times:

Wow! Runway didnt looked like they spayed foam, why not??

User currently offlineAlexA340B777 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2008, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70965 times:

Live TV:

http://www.megawypas.pl/readarticle.php?article_id=69


Alex



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 70870 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 19):
Wow! Would this have been a total hydraulic failure??? This seems so rare for a widebody and shocked that a manual freefall didn't work either

Unlikely. Crew landed with full flaps with spoilers extended at touchdown; looks like some sort of landing gear related issue, as they were unable to extend it with gravity-drop.



Video is on YT already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6bkv6tGCFA&feature=player_embedded[Edited 2011-11-01 07:16:52]

[Edited 2011-11-01 07:17:25]


Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 70626 times:

Nice landing.... Pilots did their Job perfectly.

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 70522 times:

I see that LOT only has 5 767-300's. How will this affect their international schedule? This aircraft is obviously going to be out for quite a while.

UAL


User currently offlinehoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 70546 times:

The video is amazing - can't repeat it enough but the landing was perfect.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 19):
Wow! Runway didnt looked like they spayed foam, why not??

TV reports are saying that the runway was foamed - they had over an hour to prepare the airport for landing. They even closed the roads around the airport.

The 767 stopped right at the intersection of WAW's two runways, so the airport will be closed for a while. Planes are being diverted to POZ, LCJ (Lodz), GDN, and KRK, per TV reports.



Hoya Saxa!!
25 Post contains images clydenairways : I don't think foaming the runway is normal practice these days. They do it in movies though...
26 BlueSky1976 : Some flights around busy Christmas season may be cancelled, otherwise - no issue, as the winter is slow on transatlantic long haul for LO. I
27 AlexA340B777 : Plane was SP-LPC according to flightradar24.com Not a write-off after such a landing? Alex
28 Post contains links and images raaadek : LO16 circling over Warsaw area. http://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=65476&filename=phpug2Hqh.png[Edited 2011-11-01 07:32:11]
29 col : Foaming can actually cause more problems than non foam. Is easier to see what you are dealing with.
30 Post contains images wilco737 : Holy cow... That looked so weird when watching that video! Glad everybody is ok. Excellent job of the pilots!!!!! wilco737
31 Arniepie : I tought most 767's at LOT where pretty old, very likely write-off, even when new. Maybe they can get some of their 787's a bit earlier ??
32 BlueSky1976 : We shall see. LO will definitely need a set of factory-new CF6's.
33 hoya : From the video, damage doesnt look that extensive. Only parts of the plane that touched the runway were the tail and the engines. Then again, the 767
34 Post contains links AlexA340B777 : 14,5 years old according to Planespotters.net: http://www.planespotters.net/Product...656,SP-LPC-LOT-Polish-Airlines.php Very fast site, note that th
35 bjorn14 : They were trying to get the landing gear down for an hour over Poland before finally giving up and deciding to land.
36 AlexA340B777 : If you watch the photo closely, it definetely looks like the rwy has been foamed...
37 Post contains links raaadek : LX1348 ZRH-WAW diverted to KRK as a result of LO16 emergency at WAW http://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=65476&filename=phpUCEcsA.gif
38 lhr380 : A BA flight also diverted to KRK, BA 850 (Looks like they already deleted the pic someone linked from the other site, come on anet, everyone needs to
39 727tiger : Joe Patroni brought that baby in.
40 clydenairways : It also affects the deceleration capabilities of the aeroplane so it has not been used in a long time.
41 BlueSky1976 : Nope... No Joe Patroni here! The commander was Captain Tadeusz Wrona, according to TVN24.
42 Post contains links Aleksandar : I am simply amazed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPkJyVW0-I
43 Post contains links raaadek : 25 pics http://www.tvn24.pl/13547,2476295,0,...-ladowanie-boeinga,galeriamax.html
44 Post contains links planesailing : http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-poland-with-230-passengers-aboard Another couple of good photos of the aircraft. http://news.sky.com/home/worl
45 ZKCIF : Sure the damage does not look extensive. However, what about the pressure bulkhead or whatever it is called? Does the fate of the aircraft depend on i
46 Ychocky : Runway 33 landing correct? Just in awe of the smooth landing. Hat's off to the crew!
47 Post contains links and images PillowTester : A pic:
48 Post contains links raaadek : start the video on the home page, amazing! http://www.tvn24.pl/
49 SonomaFlyer : Fantastic job by the pilots. WAW emergency response spot-on. Happy Ending.
50 Post contains links AlexA340B777 : Check this pic: http://www.skrzydla.org/showphoto.php?photo_id=75244 Wow!
51 Post contains links lhr380 : Just hitting the UK news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15543209
52 Post contains images BoeingVista : That will buff right out, great job by the pilots
53 BlueSky1976 : Lot CEO just confirmed there was hydraulic failure reported immediately following departure from EWR. Crew was advised to proceed to WAW by LO dispatc
54 BA777 : Excellent job. A situation us pilots never want to find ourselves in. They even landed with tailwind which is impressive too.
55 777ord : amazing work of the crew!!! I used to work LOT when I worked at ORD and having worked on that EXACT aircraft makes me quite sad to see such a situatio
56 Post contains links Ychocky : Another angle http://www.skrzydla.org/showphoto.php?photo_id=75247 Shows some foam kicked up.
57 je89_w : Amazing job to the crew. That was an incredible video and glad all ended well!
58 CrimsonNL : Holy mac what a fantastic landing! What a scary sight seeing her getting lower and lower without a gear! Hope everyone is alright. Martijn
59 trigged : Woohoo! Nice job by those pilots in that situation! I guess this is WAW's version of a giant slip-n-slide! Nasty situation with the best possible outc
60 rfields5421 : I've never heard of a full runway being foamed in 30 years or more. For one thing, foam makes it more difficult for the airport fire and rescue crews
61 Post contains links Aleksandar : Take a look at this video. Different angle http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1722771,0,1,kl...boeinga-nad-okeciem,wiadomosc.html
62 Post contains images PanAm1971 : Clap! Clap! Clap! Bravo! Well done! Give this man a Spitfire! He's ready for the Dover patrol!
63 Post contains images TCASAlert : Very good job by the pilots, amazing landing and testament to just how tough these old birds are. Looks like you could almost give it a buff and polis
64 yellowtail : Is a hydraulic failure not reason to stay near an airport instead of heading out over the Atlantic
65 Post contains images chootie : ....By the grace of GOD..... Wonderful professionalism by the crew. Thankfully all ended well!! Now THAT is real skill..
66 ikramerica : I assume it's for gear only, and you don't need the gear in flight. I'm sure those in charge of EWR are happy that LOT made that call!
67 rfields5421 : It appears to be a specific sub-system - no compromise of the flight control systems, so no, it would not be a reason to keep the aircraft near the d
68 United787 : That was an amazing landing! Nostrovia to the pilots!
69 Post contains links planesailing : Which sub-system? The main and nose gear on the 767 is operated via the central hydraulics system. http://www.smartcockpit.com/data/pdf...767/instruc
70 ikramerica : There's also the cost factor. It's far, far, far less costly to have the plane on block in WAW for repairs than it would be at EWR. LO showed faith i
71 mirrodie : OK, the major question here is what to do re: Polish jokes?? Do we a) impose a short moratorium on such polish jokes, given the great endingwe've seen
72 ADent : Nice job by the crew - I have had rougher landings on planes with working landing gears.
73 YULWinterSkies : In any case, landing has to happen... The more fuel is burned, the more weight is lost, the better for emergency landing. Crossing the Atlantic may a
74 Post contains images CptRegionalJet : Nope,Patroni will taxi it off the runway Excellent job by the flightcrew and lets not forget cabin crew for what seems to be a textbook evacuation.
75 Plane Holland : MP finished their last passenger flights yesterday, since they're using 767's one can go directly to LOT.
76 Aleksandar : Exactly, it did look like foam
77 Coronado990 : Very, very nice landing. Between the IR and LO emergency landings in the last week, I've been very impressed with the Boeings in these situations. Rea
78 Post contains images loveofflying : One comment in the video audio says "maybe they'll leave it as a memorial"... Amazing landing! Talking with people in Poland, all over the country in
79 nipoel123 : And NOT repaint it for a while, that would be great!
80 scrumpy492003 : Looked like a textbook landing. Congratulations to ALL involved.
81 jfritz : Stick and Rudder! It may have already been said but how old is the airframe?
82 EPA001 : Kudos to the pilots. A very well controlled landing without the landing gear available to them. Of course why the landing gear was not available shoul
83 9w748capt : Unbelievable - hats off to the crew! Professionalism personified in every way. Thanks for bringing the passengers back to earth safely. Hope they cont
84 Babybus : I wonder how all the landing gear can fail at the same time? Surely the aircraft has back up features? What happened to the gravity drop system? That
85 Post contains images cytz_pilot : That's awesome! Remember the brave colony of runway ants that heroically gave their lives so that those onboard could live!
86 ltbewr : While like many I am pleased that this a/c landed safely with no loss of life or significant injuries, indeed an excellent act of flying skill, I do h
87 Post contains links raaadek : LO16 cockpit - WAW Tower seconds before landing in polish, google translation below. http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos...767___rozmowa_wiezy_z_pilo
88 breiz : And what happened to the hydraulic circuitS. There is supposed to be 3 of them, isn't it? All hydraulic circuits are usually knocked out by catastrop
89 mke717spotter : Its seems like LO's 767s have been having a lot of mechanical issues over the past few years, definitely a sign of how badly they've been needing the
90 gabrielchew : Amazing job by the pilots! Maybe LO can lease an Airbus from LH?
91 trigged : Its possible for redundant systems to fail, happens all the time. This time it was just not able to handle triple faults in a dual fault tolerant sys
92 Post contains images wilco737 : I am sure the cabin and passengers were informed pretty early as the cabin has to be prepared for such an emergency landing and that can take up to 4
93 1stfl94 : Excellent job by the crew and glad to see everyone's OK. Delivered new to LOT in May 1997 and had a short lease to Santa Barbara Airlines according to
94 trigged : I wonder how they broke the news to the pax... I can't see telling the pax back over EWR and let them slowly stew into a panic. Wouldn't it be intere
95 Post contains images wilco737 : I am sure they didn't tell them at EWR about it. Maybe 2 hours prior landing... IF they already knew about the problem. If not, then they had time to
96 flylku : I noticed that the over wing window exits were not used (at least on the right side of the aircraft). Is this a check list item for a wheels up landin
97 rfields5421 : One reason to wait until an hour or two before landing. Passengers very seldom get into a 'panic' in such situations. The crew would have explained v
98 Gdabski : The overwing exits on the left side were used.
99 hiflyer : Great landing...nice job but I question the wisdom of going across the North Atlantic with the center system down on a twin engine. Just sat with a 77
100 trintocan : Well well, this is quite an incident. Hats off to the LO crew for guiding their jet safely to WAW and landing there. Now that is true professionalism.
101 frmrCapCadet : Don't planes generally do an uncomplicated belly landing otherwise uneventful?
102 ikramerica : There was a small engine fire on the right side, correct? Use of the right wing slides would be ill advised. Only 1/2 the slides are needed to evacua
103 TravelsUK : Just watched the video on BBC quite the most incrediblw thing I have ever seen, full credit to the crew that nobody was injured, hope they get the rec
104 jreuschl : Could this 767 have dumped fuel? Apparently it is optional, so that could have factored into the decision.
105 spacecadet : When you hear it referred to as a belly landing, they're uneventful. If they're eventful, we call it a crash.
106 Post contains images Western727 : Agreed...based on the limited amount of info we have at this point. There's got to be more to it. I look forward to reading the report after it comes
107 ikramerica : Well, the press is reporting it as a "crash landing" in headlines to grab the reader, then calling it a belly landing in the articles.
108 Chi-town : Wow! Great job by the pilots. Amazing job at keeping the crew and passengers safe.
109 JAAlbert : That poor plane - it looks like a bird protecting its brood sitting on the runway like that! It must've been quite a landing for those in the last few
110 type-rated : I bet the pilots spent a lot of the trip over wondering what will happen when they arrive in WAW. They could have just thought that one of the backup
111 bsu747 : Could it be that they decided also to continue to Warsaw so that they could land in daylight? Just a thought. Credit to the crew & all involved fo
112 Post contains images wellies : Fantastic outcome, considering! Big 'Bankers-style' bonuses deserved by those up front! (Obviously they won't get them though ) For those that have me
113 Western727 : I wonder about that, too. The USAir (as it was called at the time) 733 and TWA 762 landings, both with one MLG retracted, come to mind. They both had
114 OA260 : Thank god everything went ok it could have been very bad . Kudos to the LOT crew . I guess this will seriously effect their T/A operations for some ti
115 MSN007 : I hope the pilots get to keep their job unlike the Iran Air incident.
116 mcg : Do flight crews train for belly landings on the simulator? Is there a procedure to follow?
117 usafdo : I hope a video from inside the cabin of the evacuation surafces soon. With over 200 PAX onboard, and this was an anticipated emergency landing, the ch
118 stasisLAX : Can the 763 proceed into an ETOPS area with a failed center hydraulic system - I mean, all the way across the pond with a failed system seems - quite
119 mandala499 : Center Hydraulics affect: Some flight controls Nosewheel steering Flaps & Slats Alternate Brakes RAT Pump Landing Gear HYD driven generator tails
120 A388 : I totally agree on that, the pilots did an excellent job with this belly landing. The damage to the aircraft even doesn't seem too much but we will h
121 GeorgiaAME : Absolutely amazing flying. Let the agencies do the post mortums later, that crew deserves nothing but the highest of praise. For everyone to have walk
122 Post contains images Delta777Jet : I think to early to praise the pilot's totally and may be if they would have decided not to carry on with center hyd inop over the atlantic they would
123 bongodog1964 : Choice for the crew: Circle over New York for a legthy time in order to dump/burn off fuel, then land in the dark at an airport which they have some/
124 Boeing744 : As everyone else has said, that looked like some amazing flying by the pilots. The highest of respect to both of them... Obviously you want to have as
125 odwyerpw : That is what I was thinking too. It is clear the receiving airport was completely prepared for this event! Kudos to the grounds crew as well.
126 spacecadet : Would the potential for this not be a reason to land ASAP? If the hydraulic failure was caused by a leak in the gears, would this not be considered a
127 Post contains links adityashankar : Hey i found this video on yahoo, this apparently catches most of the landing...... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/world...out-wheels-in-poland-2712353
128 Delta777Jet : They should have aborted the flight right after discovering the problem and under no way continue ETOPS over the atlantic in hope to reach their desti
129 mke717spotter : Is the airport still closed?
130 grimey : Well done to the pilots and everyone else involved. Anyone know why they landed on runway 33 with a slight tailwind and not on the reciprocal runway 1
131 phen : Yes I believe WAW is to remain closed until Wednesday by which time the aircraft will hopefully have been removed and any damage to the runway repair
132 NYC777 : That's assuming they knew of the hydralic problem before they sarted the crossing. It sounds like they only realized the problem when they were appro
133 Post contains images Viscount724 : Highly unlikely. The PIA 742 below belly-landed at ISB in 1986 (crew forgot to lower the gear). It was repaired and flew for many more years. This ti
134 Delta777Jet : It's confirmed by the airline itself that the Hydraulic Problems started 30 mins after departure. So probably right after take off, then the crew work
135 ghifty : There are so many videos of this landing circulating. At first, I watched the video on YouTube thinking it was just a video of a "normal" landing. It
136 KDTWflyer : So does anybody have any guesses as to what VSO is on a B763?
137 Post contains images EPA001 : Thanks for your extensive and highly detailed post Mandala499. That puts things in perspective (as you have done many more times in the past ).
138 mandala499 : As per the NOTAM.... A6482/11 NOTAMR A6473/11 Q) EPWW/QFALC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5210N02058E005 A) EPWA B) 1111012134 C) 1111030300 EST E) AD CLOSED.) D
139 irshava : So the hull is done for? Written off?
140 bristolflyer : Amazed me how far it slid...I guess the 2 main brake mechanisms (gear/reverse thrust) were out of action.
141 ikramerica : WAW has to be pretty pissed right now. EWR on the other hand...
142 Post contains links avi8 : here's another youtube link of the landing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAlqtAz2OKo&feature=player_embedded
143 Post contains images ukoverlander : Yep those brakes don't work so well when the wheels are tucked up in the belly of the aircraft!!!! I assume the pilots would kill fuel to the engines
144 DL_Mech : So this was a Transatlantic ETOPS flight conducted without a RAT?
145 rfields5421 : A valid point. The takeoff was about 30 minutes after midnight local time. Every document / emergency procedure I've ever seen calls for landing with
146 ghifty : Wouldn't it be wiser to circle over EWR for.. 6 hours?
147 Post contains links HELyes : A Finnish passenger from the flight, a 21y old ice hockey player was interviewed in the Finnish paper. He said he was sleeping when it all started, a
148 na : Most likely this plane is repairable, technically. But you have to consider the 767s age. 15 years old, it has flown roughly 2/3 of its projected lif
149 Post contains links raaadek : what do you make of this statement The undercarriage of the Boeing 767 is made up of three parts, one under the nose and one below each of two wings.
150 SonomaFlyer : The insurance adjusters will be working overtime on this one. The pics taken by the spotters were absolutely fantastic. Kudos to them and of course to
151 N405MX : Great Job by the crew, thank God there were no casualties to report. Saludos
152 Oroka : Bravo to the pilot! That would classify as a landing to me, just no gear! Smooth, couldnt ask for a better outcome!
153 skygirl1990 : Great Job by both the pilots! They really took the saying - "Any landing is a good landing. Any landing you can walk away from is a great landing" to
154 ykaops : One hell of a job .. unbelievable how little visual damage there is.
155 Post contains images L410Turbolet : ... or perhaps they should have just simply log on a.net and gather 8 hours of pure wisdom on how to handsle the situation from resident armchair kno
156 prebennorholm : I tend to agree with you - a very likely write-off. The fuselage is obviously very badly damaged, especially in the back end of the pressurized hull.
157 Brenintw : I think it depends on the nature of the indication they got. If they got a "low hydraulic pressure" indication rather than a "the hydraulic system IN
158 Post contains links fpetrutiu : Great landing!!!! Amaizing skill on the pilot's part. I really liked how they pulled up at the last minute to make sure the tail skid touches first an
159 C680 : Based on some photographs and a video or two? A bit fast to pass judgment, no?
160 Post contains images windowflyer : What can I say? You folks said it all. Any chance of flying LOT JFK - POS 4 XMAS again? Really appreciating the spotters excellent work here.
161 CXfirst : From a passenger perspective, it would be better if the flight continued as normal, and then be told just before landing (with enough time to go thro
162 airtechy : Really hard to tell from the posted pics, but it looks like only maybe 15-20 feet of the fuselage behind the wings contacted the runway. I'm sure the
163 crjfixer : Im not sure about the 767 but im pretty sure that if 1 main gear is stuck up, the manuals all say to keep all gear up. This would be to avoid cartwhe
164 Post contains images Pyrex : Hey, I have flown LOT's 767s in NYC-WAW recently (in business class, no less). A little crash landing is as much as you can hope for in terms of in-f
165 eisenbach : I agree - This year I was on a Malaysian flight from Kuala Lumpur to Bangkok on a B738. During climb the pilot told us, that there were problems when
166 Speedbird555 : Fantastic job by the whole crew in such a stressful and difficult siutation. Based on the spectacular outcome, in my view they clearly made the correc
167 comairguycvg : That's what you call a good landing...everyone walked away.
168 Post contains links and images konrad : Here is a recording taken from the other side, showing the evacuation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBgxakhZ8m4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc
169 BrouAviation : I'd say if you have one main gear down, you are able to put it down on that gear, let the aircraft slow down first and only after it is at considerab
170 ual777uk : Watching that clear view of the landing, the stopping, the emergency evacuation just brings it home to you that we just take it for granted that when
171 CX Flyboy : The 777 checklist has you extending what gear you have and landing on it, then gently lowering the rest of the aircraft onto the runway.
172 GBan : Honestly, I rather hope pax would follow instructions and NOT take videos in such a situation. Unfortunately you might be right about the chances of
173 jeppelainen : Kudos to the pilots and rescue-crew regarding the landing! Is it just me or does it look like there are still people evacuating through the right door
174 lh526 : I count a crew of 6 on the left of the photo .. I dpnt know what station they worked on, however I can't imagine a FA is allowed to leave her/his sta
175 bongodog1964 : Looking at the film of the evacuation, the left rear door opens more or less as the plane comes to a halt, the slide is fully inflated and passengers
176 ltbewr : I wonder if the FDR and CVR cover the entire flight or only the last hours? It would be very useful to know what the pilots knew and when they knew it
177 BA777 : The reciprocal would have been runway 15, but 15 doesn't have an ILS approach. Even though the weather was decent, a 5 knot tailwind is not significa
178 GBan : Another "is it just me" question: The people in that picture look kind of unreal to me. Can someone explain me what is causing this impression?
179 boxsmasher : It looks like a great landing BUT.....did the captain make the right call? If this was truly a center hydraulic failure and the Captain knew about the
180 fsnuffer : The videos remind me of one important piece of advice I got at Nav school. If you have to evacuate the aircraft run away on the grass because the fire
181 mandala499 : Other consideration: Runway 15 is nearer to the terminal, aprons, and hangars. A mishap there can send the plane or projectiles from the aircraft ont
182 flood : It's not just you. Whoever did the editing applied too much noise reduction to the image. Interesting. I would have thought any asymmetry would great
183 Toni_ : To be honest, I was expecting to see the 767 gently come down on his nose. So that made me wondering... Is there an emergency landing procedure in ter
184 Ronaldo747 : Excellent job by the pilots!
185 bongodog1964 : people keep mentioning etops, with a fairly Northerly routing isn't it the case that you can meet the requirements without ETOPS ? Canada - Greenland
186 Post contains links BrouAviation : http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=EWR-WAW&MS=wls&DU=mi&E=60&EV=389&EU=kts They would have to take a northerly routing to fly without ET
187 TrnsWrld : The airplane is going to rest whichever side has more weight and obviously the engines are way forward of the center of the aircraft so why did you t
188 Delta777Jet : Let's await the results of the investigation. Now it's reported they lost hyd. fluid so even more worse to continue ETOPS. If they would have immediat
189 ordcargo : The plane is lifted right now and they are trying to drop the gear down so they can tow it to the hangar.
190 airtechy : One of the online news sources is reporting that Boeing is already on the way, but fog may hamper their arrival. Maybe we will get some pics that bett
191 BrouAviation : Is WAW still closed? I see all flights AMS-WAW have been cxd for the rest of the evening..
192 ordcargo : They are hoping to resume operations at 20:00 local time. After they move the plane further down the runway from the crossing of both runways. It sho
193 Post contains links raaadek : Captain, speaking at the press conference earlier today said that situation they have found themselves shortly after departure from EWR did not requir
194 BlueSky1976 : The maintenance crew was successfully able to lift the aircraft and to extend the landing gear.
195 Post contains images airbazar : Older, slower FA's up front. Younger more energetic FA's at the back
196 Post contains links kaitak : Here's a report in English, with photos of the crew: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/s...11-02/polish-hero-pilot/51045504/1 Sadly, the relief FO do
197 EmiratesA345 : Leci jak orzel, laduje jak Wrona. In English: Flies like an eagle, lands like a crow. Mere coincidence that the Captain's last name translates to crow
198 ariis : On tow now on her own wheels, should vacate the rwys soon.
199 Post contains links and images ordcargo :
200 Post contains images dpcoliveira : The FCOM states that "The alternate landing gear extension system uses an electric motor to trip the locking mechanism for each gear. Selecting DN on
201 RVV2011 : Based on my understanding of the interview with the pilot, they got an indication shortly after take off of some sort of fault with the hydraulic syst
202 Post contains links bennett123 : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-28656.htm Are they jumping the gun. If not, will LOT replace this aircraft?.
203 phen : Can anybody explain how exactly they're lifting the aircraft in the picture above - are they using only one hoist just aft of the wings? If so, whats
204 Speedbird555 : If you look closely between the stairs and the engines you'll see it's sitting on yellow jacks.
205 Post contains links and images Ychocky : Jacks appear to be in place. An example: View Large View MediumPhoto © Wenzai
206 phen : Thanks, now you've pointed it out its so obvious!
207 Post contains images Ychocky : I was just looking for an excuse to look up one of my favorite A.net photos
208 Post contains links Viscount724 : Not commercial, but in the examples below of unintended gear up landings (checklists not completed) by a USAF C-17 at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan
209 Post contains links and images AirlineCritic : Thanks for posting, very interesting story! Hard to believe that $8 million figure, however, when looking at pictures like this: Wondering if the 767
210 Post contains links usafdo : Flight Attandant Seating on 767-300ER ~~~ Question! Aren't there several F/A's seated near the over the wing Emergency Exit windows on the 767-300ER?
211 bakersdozen : A few people have asked this about why the FRONT doors took so long to open. Take a look at all the smoke that blows forward from the engines for the
212 Post contains images ikramerica : Disconnect, no? F pax finishing up their cocktails before deplaning?
213 WROORD : Polish jokes ended with the fall of the Iron curtain - where were you the last 20 years? What are you talking about the four doors (two on each side)
214 Post contains links raaadek : SP-LPC has been removed from the runway, airport reopened, government E-95 was the first plane to depart after the closure. Cool time lapse video of l
215 grimey : Cheers, I didn't know 15 didn't have ILS (I typed 18 instead of 15 earlier, my bad). Yeah there was very little wind so it more likely didn't matter.
216 Post contains links airbazar : I would speculate that since the plane basically landed on its engines, and the fire crews were spraying the engines, that they didn't want people us
217 usafdo : To fellow poster WROORD......get your seconds straight!!! R2 opened in 3 seconds. R1 & R2 opened after 16 seconds.... I diden't even count how lon
218 XFSUgimpLB41X : A couple points: Having previously flown the 767 and 757, the only thing that can prevent the gear from being extended is a total battery failure, as
219 Brenintw : But they didn't dump fuel did they? They burned it off in-flight and while trouble-shooting for an hour over WAW -- unless I've misread something.
220 XFSUgimpLB41X : You are likely correct, however my points still remain.
221 RVV2011 : It wasn't a "complete failure", judging by what the pilot said. It was some type of "fault", presumably minor enough such that their procedures/check
222 Post contains images T prop : Great outcome, but the big question here is what happened to the alternate extension? On the maintenance side, I would not want to be the guy who sign
223 boxsmasher : After starting to see some technical facts beginning to come out of this incident it is getting cleared that something is not adding up. First off eve
224 Post contains images T prop : I don't think so. From what I've been reading else where, the crew was in contact with their ops and maintenance departments, checking different thin
225 Post contains links petera380 : Judging by these pictures it's back standing on it's own legs: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...909.112367258803200&type=3&theater
226 ltbewr : One has to wonder if the systems that notify the cockpit crew of this major failure of the Central Hydraulic System and it's backup electrical system,
227 Tristarsteve : Go back and read your books again. The B757 and B767 standard config for alt gear extension, is an electrical switch , guarded by a red cover. On the
228 bmibaby737 : They usually do! I'm sure we'll find out soon, hopefully it'll be repaired.
229 CX Flyboy : Illegal how? I do ETOPS flights all the time and under the rules I operate with, there is nothing to say that you cannot continue your flight into th
230 airbazar : Or the mechanical system seized up for whatever reason. Kind of like when the linkage for your windshield wipers seizes up and the wiper motor no lon
231 Tristarsteve : There are crushable links in the mechanical system, so if one part seizes, the other two legs extend. Philosophy from Boeing is two undercarriage bet
232 Post contains links dstefanc : I think someone said that it's only a matter of time that there will be a video from inside the plane while it was landing. And here it is... http://w
233 Barney Captain : Taking off on a runway contaminated with ice and snow might do it. Our procedure calls for cycling the gear one time after take off to ensure no ice
234 XFSUgimpLB41X : You do that after every takeoff from a contaminated runway?
235 Post contains links 3MilesToWRO : Here is another insider video, much better than this one from TVN. (By the way - helicopter from TVN station has flown over the sitting 767 against to
236 polot : The passengers weren't kidding when they said it was a smooth landing.
237 3MilesToWRO : For those interested what's the guy talking - nothing important actually. He just talks to himself things like "look how he did it, no wheels". "Now i
238 BlueSky1976 : Nice Ponglish around 3 minute mark, LMAO...
239 Post contains links 3MilesToWRO : Here is how the belly looks like. And there are phots of the crew below the article. http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos..._kadlub_boeinga_767__ZDJEC
240 Post contains links wale03 : Found a video of the incident taken by an onboard passenger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-3ObP4C54
241 Post contains links and images wilco737 : Please continue here as this thread is getting too long: LO016 EWR-WAW Emergency Landing Part 2 (by wilco737 Nov 5 2011 in Civil Aviation) Thanks. wil
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