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Lagos, Here Comes CO!  
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11357 times:

CO is launching their IAH-LOS flight on Nov 16. How do advance bookings look on this new, significant route for CO, soon to be UA? It is so about time CO starts an African route (soon to be UA, pardon me). Where are these 777's coming from? From what route?

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16854 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11225 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
Where are these 777's coming from? From what route?

These are the two 777s CO took delivery of last year that were supposed to launch EWR-CAI, they cancelled the CAI route prior to launch due to the turmoil in that country.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS.

Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports? Seems the GE-90 powered 777's are staying at the former CO hubs, which makes sense, but I know in the future this will not be a completely viable solution.

UAL


User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS.

But it is a CO flight on CO metal. In other words, United has sadly discontinued service to LOS but in other news we are pleased to report that CO is growing it's already very expansive route network by placing new, luxury, 777 service to LOS from IAH.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS

Some will say it's a CO route because it was announced with AKL to have been the first two international destinations CO would use the 788. Now, with a single SOC coming up UA will have IAD-ACC and IAH-LOS.



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10997 times:

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):
But it is a CO flight on CO metal. In other words, United has sadly discontinued service to LOS but in other news we are pleased to report that CO is growing it's already very expansive route network by placing new, luxury, 777 service to LOS from IAH.

LOL.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports?

Do you mean just the 777's? I'm pretty sure there is some iteration of a mixed UA/CO presence at every hub now.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10958 times:
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Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
How do advance bookings look on this new, significant route for CO,

As others have pointed out, this route is the UA route ( you are correct -- CO and UA have been merged for over a year ) .

For another thread, I checked seat maps up to the Christmas holidays and found both cabins had daily bookings. Btw, this LOS service accompanies "Houston Express" service to LAD which is also largely oil exploration traffic.

As a side note, frequent flyer miles earned on the Houston Express go to Mileage Plus rather than OnePass.

[Edited 2011-11-01 10:47:25]

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6121 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10897 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 5):

I don't think so. Still haven't seen a CO powered 777 at SFO on a regular schedule.



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10869 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):
I don't think so. Still haven't seen a CO powered 777 at SFO on a regular schedule.

But there are CO 737's, that was my point. There is a redeployment of at least one of the fleets at every hub, but maybe not 777's.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10763 times:
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Quoting rdh3e (Reply 8):
that was my point. There is a redeployment of at least one of the fleets at every hub

I'm still not sure I get what you mean -- CO already flies to every UA hub and UA already flies to every CO hub.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

$$$$$$$$ OIL $$$$$$$$$$

I suspect we'll be, or should be a monster on this route.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

I'd go, but I saw the vaccination list that you need on coair and quickly changed my mind   


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User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10458 times:

Well that is the catch, they aren't really merged beyond the legal level. And some paint. That will chg soon. But for now IAH-LOS is a CO 777-224, with a CO crew, using a CO flt number and call sign. It is a CO flight. I can see with IAD-CDG/AMS you could call it CO ops a UA route. But you don't even have that much here. CO has been planning LOS for ages.

User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):
I'm still not sure I get what you mean -- CO already flies to every UA hub and UA already flies to every CO hub.

I'm was saying there are s-CO A/C flying s-UA routes, at every hub and vice-versa.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 11):
I'd go, but I saw the vaccination list that you need on coair and quickly changed my mind

Yes,quite a bit. I'm guessing the mosquitoes there make the ones here in Houston look quite tame.

And thats saying something because they are FEROCIOUS.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10409 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 12):
Well that is the catch, they aren't really merged beyond the legal level. And some paint. That will chg soon. But for now IAH-LOS is a CO 777-224, with a CO crew, using a CO flt number and call sign. It is a CO flight. I can see with IAD-CDG/AMS you could call it CO ops a UA route. But you don't even have that much here. CO has been planning LOS for ages.

  


User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1040 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10393 times:

I guess CO FAs will be laying over in LOS now?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6086 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....


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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10264 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....

True ,but it's high bid for the oil companies.

It's good enough to get that $$$


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10179 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):

Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports? Seems the GE-90 powered 777's are staying at the former CO hubs, which makes sense, but I know in the future this will not be a completely viable solution.

I would think they'll stay segregated for as long as possible. There is very little the GE-90 has on common with the pratts UA has. Just seems smarter for parts storage at their respective bases. As well, if there is any cabin difference between the two, that may also be a factor.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9972 times:
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Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 16):
I guess CO FAs will be laying over in LOS now?

But, of course. If you know the city well, it offers many opportunities for laying over.  


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7535 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

Is there a decent bank of flights on the LOS end to maybe connect to other parts of Africa?

It would be nice for people from this reigion to be able to connect to other parts of Africa too.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9912 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 19):
I would think they'll stay segregated for as long as possible. There is very little the GE-90 has on common with the pratts UA has. Just seems smarter for parts storage at their respective bases. As well, if there is any cabin difference between the two, that may also be a factor.

I speculate that as well. Seems to make sense to keep the GE's at CO hubs and PW's at United hubs. However, I'm curios to see how the new UA will deploy the two-class aircraft vs. the three-class aircraft in the future. Do some current CO routes warrant UA's 3 class product and vice versa. Eventually, I would guess some repositioning of these aircraft to various hubs will be necessary.

Do the GE-90 powered aircraft have a slight range benefit over the PW's?

UAL


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):

Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes UA!"



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
Do some current CO routes warrant UA's 3 class product and vice versa.

Of course. We really don't know what exactly United is going to do here. All we know is what they have done so far: Announced that they intend to convert 14 domestic 763s into 2-class international 763s, put lie-flat seats in the 764, and refurbish their PS fleet. As for swaps, EWR-BRU and EWR-ZRH are operated by 3-class United aircraft and IAD-CDG and IAD-AMS are operated by 2-class Continental aircraft. Guam has also seen some changes, and some of the Pacific tag-on flights. And IAH-LIM. I believe that is it.

Obviously, many more changes to come. By next summer we should have a good idea of what kind of changes are in store.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
Do the GE-90 powered aircraft have a slight range benefit over the PW's?

I don't think it's a range benefit; it's a performance benefit.


25 kl911 : Agree, CO is history, accept it. UA is now in charge. All planes are UA and all routes are UA.
26 xdlx : When DL started flying there.... it went so Junior! That the crews had parties and DL had to send In-Flight spies to tame the beast. The stories woul
27 RamblinMan : And with rumors that SOC is only weeks away, does it really matter? Might not be a pleasant thought, but this is truth. I wouldn't be so sure...11 ho
28 RamblinMan : LOL... then again I may be wrong.
29 Post contains images EA CO AS : Even though the surviving certificate is technically CO's...
30 RamblinMan : Yeah, uhh, key word "technically." The plane says UA, the ff program is Mileage Plus, etc, etc, etc. The important part, which is yet to be seen, is
31 tpaewr : Not just untrue, but illegal if the pax are sold this flight and it not disclosed this a CO route. The Feds would disagree you here
32 SEA : UA are dropping their Lagos 767 flight, CO are starting it with a 777. So in other words, it's basically getting an equipment upgrade.
33 CODC10 : Maybe, but it's a pretty high-time trip. Almost 25 hours over 3.5 days away from base. In terms of duty time against time away from base, it will be
34 Post contains images kgaiflyer : It's true that all politics are local (except in Mountain Time west Texas where they think they're a separate state ). But I'm remembering flying UA9
35 CODC10 : Short answer, no, unless a joint contract is inked in a hurry. UA is going to need to train pilots for the 737NG. While there still may be plenty of
36 7673mech : For what - 10 more days?
37 kgaiflyer : No, not exactly. UA 990-991 ORD-IAD-ACC-LOS is already tagged at both ends. It's a long flight for crew. And my information is that the ACC-LOS tag c
38 TOMMY767 : OK have you're glory. The CO name will only exist for about another 30 days tops and then it's history.
39 kgaiflyer : G** Da** It, guys. Why does every f***ing CO-UA thread have to turn churlish like this?
40 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Wow! Good luck to them, although I doubt they'll really need it . One interesting thing to note - assuming that the SOC on 11/11/11 has been delayed,
41 kl692 : I don't know how long they are going to remain on this route if they are to fly two planes to ACC and LOS. I was on UA990 and UA991 back in Feb and th
42 AA767LOVER : Any way UA can get the approval for LOS-JNB as a tag on so that SA is NOT the only option?
43 CODC10 : It's not my glory. As I've said over and over and over, I have no problem with the fact that CO is disappearing in favor of United.. All I'm doing is
44 wale03 : Not totally that.Houston has the highest population of Nigerians in the US
45 klwright69 : I am just now returning to read the thread I started. I am disappointed it has turned into a UA vs CO type conversation. But I am not surprised. Good
46 Post contains images kgaiflyer : You really need to read your own thread. This information is presented twice. Sure you are.
47 kgaiflyer : It's not. DL also serves J'burg.
48 AA777223 : Why do you think that is? I work for one of the larger oil companies in Houston (which has gained reluctant notoriety in the last year or two) and we
49 RWA380 : So LOS goes down in history as the last city CO will ever add to it's route map. Very cool! Great job all these years CO.
50 brj : In an effort to try and bring this thread back to its original topic... Connections in Lagos are few and far between. Perhaps when ET joins *A next m
51 rdh3e : If UA does not achieve SOC before the 16th, then yes, it's a CO route, if not then it's a UA route. The originally targeted SOC date was 11/11/11, bu
52 klwright69 : Honestly I think a IAH-LOS right was a better idea than EWR-CAI from the very beginning. I mean Egypt must be a great place to visit, but really, I ca
53 LAXdude1023 : Thats true, but the Nigerian population in Houston is still only around 20,000 that perminately resdie in Houston. Not nearly enough to justify a fli
54 kgaiflyer : Same with Washington DC and Ghanaians. For whatever reason, a great many of our managed healthcare doctors, dentists, nurses and local bankers are Gh
55 VC10er : What is a "luxury" 777 if it is a 2 class 777? Just because it's newer? I find being in First Class on a UA767 is more of a luxury experience than a
56 BCEaglesCO757 : Agreed. While the Nigerian population is big here, unless you live here dont underestimate how many people UA/CO may be able to draw from Big Oil. I
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