tonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
I have flown various times within Brazil in the past and have not encountered the following before.
On 3 or my last 5 flights within Brazil (2 with Gol and 1 with Webjet), I have noticed some unusual pilot activity. First flight, about 10 min after take off, the pilot/co-pilot was hanging out with the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft for literally 10 minutes. To me, he was hitting on young beautiful GOL flight attendents. This seemed like very young pilot. I really don't see the pilot belonging in the back of the plane for so long. This was CNF-POA flight.
Webjet was very similar, Pilot went to the back of the plane and did the same thing, chatted in the back while having a quick snack. This lasted about 5 minutes.
The other GOL flight which I bring up is that they had a flight attendant enter the cockpit to take food twice and spent a great amount of time there (10+ min). Possibily taking some of the attention away of pilots?. On this same flight, landing in CNF, the pilot seemed to take a very sharp turn before landing. Most approaches to CNF have been coming straight for a good amount of time, not quick sharp turn and landing. Seems like young pilots still flying Cessnas.
Anyway, I feel like lack of professionalism and safety sometimes while flying in Brazil compared to the US. Wonder if this has to do with economic boom and the rising number of flights needing more and more pilots, hiring young and not so experience pilots.
RamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
I don't really know...not taken any Brazilian domestic flights, never even been. But the anecdotal stuff you are talking about really would not concern me. Do you have any actual data regarding safety that we could compare to flying in other places considered "safe" like the U.S, Europe, or Japan? Of course, for that, too, you would need to account for the inherent danger in some of the more remote places as I'd imagine there are lots of basic, unimproved airfields in Brazil.
Quoting glareskin (Reply 1): As you rightfully wrote pilot/co-pilot. You know there is another guy flying the plane.
Up until the last decade when we have been in security panic mode, this wasn't at all uncommon on U.S. domestic flights either. I remember one particular WN flight where one of the pilots came out for a bathroom break wearing khaki shorts and had a brief and very comedic chat with some of us before returning to the cockpit. I did not consider it unprofessional at all...one look at the safety record of that airline proves the pilots are absolutely competent in what they are doing. (as well as maintenance people, cabin crew, etc...)
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter): Pilot went to the back of the plane and did the same thing, chatted in the back while having a quick snack. This lasted about 5 minutes.
I don't see much of a problem 5 mins at cruise.
Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter): about 10 min after take off, the pilot/co-pilot was hanging out with the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft for literally 10 minutes
Only 10mins after takeoff and 10mins in the back. That is not right. 10mins after t/o is still a pretty busy time in the cockpit and much more critical time than cruise. 10mins is also a pretty long time.
Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter): The other GOL flight which I bring up is that they had a flight attendant enter the cockpit to take food twice and spent a great amount of time there (10+ min).
No problem there IMO, both pilots are at their seats. I am sure it was at cruise. Really they do not have much to do than talk to eachother and look at instruments now and than. I rather have them talk to an F/A than getting into an argument about Labor relations at the airline or on their laptops.