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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 105  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19222 times:
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Continuation from here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 104 (by cchan Oct 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)

NZ1

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User currently offlineJMM99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19209 times:

from part 104 .......

Just wondering if anyone knows the likelihood of Qantas's daily A330 service AKL-LAX switching to Jetstar in the near future? And if the Qantas strikes would have had any impact on this?

Surely, this will be looked at much sooner now.

It also give QF a back door to get QF passengers to LAX if more strikes or something similar happens come 21NOV.

QF could get passengers across Tasman to AKL via JQ & then JQ AKL/LAX. Not ideal but better than being stuck for days.

They could also ramp up JQ services AKL/LAX. Is there any reason why QF couldn't find more 332's (from other airlines or QF itself) to operate AKL/LAX & hub at AKL like NZ does.

Can QF use a QF A332 with JQ pilots/fliught attendants on AKL/LAX/AKL ?

Or surely if QF wanted they could do what DJ was going to do, bring in NZ, EY aircraft to operate international routes under a DJ/VA code.

THis bloody QF dispute is a long long way from over. Businesses are trying to support QF because it's all about union power & how they can currently bankrupt any business.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19141 times:

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 1):
Just wondering if anyone knows the likelihood of Qantas's daily A330 service AKL-LAX switching to Jetstar in the near future? And if the Qantas strikes would have had any impact on this?

Surely, this will be looked at much sooner now.

It also give QF a back door to get QF passengers to LAX if more strikes or something similar happens come 21NOV.

They probably need more than 21 days to organise a switch even if they want to use JQ on some routes.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19143 times:
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Just read on a thread about ZK debt problems and an employee said that 7x 1900Ds on lease are being returned shortly and some are apparantly bound for New Zealand. Is NZ or a charter company (Vincent Aviation?) expecting any 1900D deliverys soon?

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4827 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19087 times:

I'm not sure if the JQ A332s have the legs especially in a high density configuration. QF uses HGW A332s and even then it is a bit of a stretch.


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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19059 times:

An alternative would be to transfer a couple of A332s to the Jetconnect operation. This would involve transferring some A332 pilots to NZ conditions.

One battle that AJ did not win when he was at Jetstar was when he wanted to operate the 717s on behalf of Qantas in WA. That operation was given to Cobham. There are examples of airlines operating planes on behalf of other airlines, for instance GB Air, British Mediterranean operating planes, painted as BA planes. So Jetstar could operate planes painted as Qantas planes, and with Qantas seating configurations.


User currently offlineNZ5 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18708 times:

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but there are rumours flying around Twitter that NZ's 5th 77W, ZK-OKQ, will be painted in the All Blacks 'Crazy About Rugby' scheme which will arrive around the start of next year.

http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj407/AirNewZealand_A320/ZKOJP.jpg


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18682 times:

think NZ1 said in the last page, that ''IT'' will happen along with some more of the domestic fleet, eagle air were going do 3 of their aircraft i think,

any updates on the International review yet??



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

Quoting NZ5 (Reply 6):
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but there are rumours flying around Twitter that NZ's 5th 77W, ZK-OKQ, will be painted in the All Blacks 'Crazy About Rugby' scheme which will arrive around the start of next year.

yup, no rumours: 1 B77W, a second A320, and 3 Beech1900Ds will be in the black colours...

Cheers
micha


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18554 times:

Hi guys, anyone able to offer feedback about the new PE seats since they have had a row removed. When I last flew PE in old configuration in the window seats, the window seat was fine but the aisle was a bit cramped, even for me at 5'7. Has that improved with the extra 6 inches? Just about to book flights for the wife and I to LHR tomorrow so the decision is to go for the middle row or the windows. I am tending to lean towards the middle seats for ease of access, Unfortunately no bulkhead seats available currently....

thanks
NZ2


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18459 times:
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Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 8):

Will be more than one more A320.

NZ1


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18379 times:

Quoting nz2 (Reply 9):
Has that improved with the extra 6 inches?

majorly better. seriously. It feels like a different cabin. There is now space to move. Still the recline 'forward' into the seat may take some adjustment if you aren't used to it, but at least if you do 'recline' your legs don't suffer like they did.

Couples invariably select the middles, though the window seats are not as hard to get in and out of as they were. I don't think you will lose either way.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18328 times:

The Jetstar AKL-LAX suggestion looks absurd to me.

Firstly, it eliminates all the high-yielding passengers whom Qantas currently carry for themselves and American Airlines and BA, as JQ flights earn neither miles nor status.

Secondly, Jetstar's existing HNL services get very limited connecting traffic as JQ won't connect luggage. No Australian will connect at AKL to fly to the USA if they have to reclaim their luggage and check-in again, going through customs and passport control twice, whereas on NZ they don't have to go landslide at all.

Having said that, the current Qantas management team seems entirely indifferent to alienating their passengers, so they would probably do it.......


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18261 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 12):

JQ now work with OneWorld so connections are possible and a wider customer base. JQ would be fantastic competition for NZ and to some extent UA/CO


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18182 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 8):
yup, no rumours: 1 B77W, a second A320, and 3 Beech1900Ds will be in the black colours...

Aren't they a little ate for this? What's the point? Next season? NZ doesn't even sponsor the domestic competition anymore so they can't be all that crazy about rugby.


User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18166 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 14):
Aren't they a little ate for this? What's the point? Next season? NZ doesn't even sponsor the domestic competition anymore so they can't be all that crazy about rugb

Why late? Are the All Blacks dead? because really that's who they are sponsoring

"Air New Zealand extends ABs sponsorship, stocks up on black paint"
http://www.stoppress.co.nz/news/2011/10/after-the-cup/


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4960 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18118 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 14):
Aren't they a little ate for this? What's the point? Next season? NZ doesn't even sponsor the domestic competition anymore so they can't be all that crazy about rugby.

I agree. Who are they trying to convince doing up a 77W in black. In my view the whole exercise is about making NZ'ers feel good about themselves and a bit of in your face to the Australians if one of the black birds happens to make it to Aus. Nothing wrong with that I suppose but I can't see it creating any favorable long term image in LAX or LHR. Ultimately this color scheme will be compared to the many hundreds of others around the world and I suggest that it will come up a way short on any livery asthetics popularity poll.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18043 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 16):
Who are they trying to convince doing up a 77W in black.

And they should have some variation in the design between aircrafts. Having 5 planes looking the same doesn't make it interesting anymore to those in New Zealand who have more chance of encountering them.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17927 times:

Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 15):
Why late? Are the All Blacks dead? because really that's who they are sponsoring

That's nice. But the RWC has been and gone and I think it's fair to say they've missed the boat. And given the importance of the domestic competition to the All Blacks, it seems weird not to sponsor that but still claim you're "crazy about rugby". Arguably, ITM is a little more crazy about rugby.

I dunno, NZ marketing is weird of late. D-list "celebrities", Ricco, rugby promotion well and truly after the largest rugby event in local history is over - all makes for a weird image, which is apparently pretty important to the airline.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17907 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 12):
Secondly, Jetstar's existing HNL services get very limited connecting traffic as JQ won't connect luggage. No Australian will connect at AKL to fly to the USA if they have to reclaim their luggage and check-in again, going through customs and passport control twice, whereas on NZ they don't have to go landslide at all.

Sorry, but not applicable. The lack of baggage through check only relates to international to domestic connections.

An Australian connecting in AKL would not need to clear customs if transfering between JQ international flights. JQ has offered baggage through check for international to international connections for many years now. http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/planning-and-booking/flight-connections



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17725 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
Will be more than one more A320.

thanks, NZ1. The NZ person we had at work recently only mentioned the second A320, and so did a newspaper article. I for one are happy with more planes in that colour scheme (and I am not a rugby person at all).

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 16):
In my view the whole exercise is about making NZ'ers feel good about themselves

And what is wrong with that?

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 16):
and a bit of in your face to the Australians if one of the black birds happens to make it to Aus.

The first one was painted LONG before the RWC, and had the cup gone the other way this argument wouldn't hold.

I just don't get this constant negativity about Air NZ on here. But I guess it is just normal. Germans moan about LH, Canadians about AC, and - well - Kiwis about NZ....

Just my 2 cents
micha


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17634 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):
I dunno, NZ marketing is weird of late. D-list "celebrities", Ricco, rugby promotion well and truly after the largest rugby event in local history is over - all makes for a weird image, which is apparently pretty important to the airline.

Agreed. It's a mistake to apply the black aircraft concept to an AKL-LAX-LHR aircraft. Painting a 77W black is pathetic, and costly to repaint. I hope they reconsider.

PA515


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17604 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 20):
I just don't get this constant negativity about Air NZ on here.

I don't think it's constant at all. There's praise and criticism, perhaps not in equal measure, but I'm not sure how interesting the conversation would be if we all just stuck our tongues down the back of NZ's proverbial trousers (thank you Rick  )

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 20):
Just my 2 cents

Exactly. And most of what you hear in the forum is everyone else's two cents. I actually think the 77W would look pretty spectacular, though I'm not a fan of the miniature koru on the tailfin. I just don't get the point (wasn't New Zealand supposed to be about ore than rugby?) and hope it doesn't become the defacto new livery.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17532 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 21):
Agreed. It's a mistake to apply the black aircraft concept to an AKL-LAX-LHR aircraft

It actually makes sense for it to be the 77W which is target market of UK/Australia appropriate, and they just signed the sponsorship deal with the ABs basically until the next World Cup. It is easier and indeed cheaper to have the first paintjob ex boeing done rather than repainting an older aircraft to be black.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4960 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17527 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 20):
I just don't get this constant negativity about Air NZ on here

Not guilty. My comments were confined to the "black" livery not to the quality of the product delivered to customers. In my view a "black" 77W does nothing to reinforce the quality of the product offered or the in-flight atmosphere. To me it suggests a funereal experience. Of course that is my opinion and I would welcome audited market research data that proves opposite.


25 TravellerPlus : I share this view. Slight miss with the Koru, but stunning otherwise. The black will stand out at any airport the 77W visits. Thumbs up to Air NZers
26 KiwiRob : By this comment are you implying that this is the new livery for NZ, it's pretty easy to remove the 'crazy about rugby' tag line.
27 QF108 : Hi team have 3 questions im hoping for answers to, 1. When did Atlas Air stop flying for NZ Cargo, was on the NZ Cargo part of the website recently an
28 Post contains images NZ1 : Not at all. I meant it will be more than 1 A320 NZ1
29 Post contains images ZKEOJ : Hey guys thanks for the responses. Now, I realise my post sounded a bit negative aqs well, haha. You are right, and I would never ask for that. I have
30 kiwiandrew : I have to admit that for this particular temporary livery it would have been best to have left the Koru off altogether. I absolutely hate how it look
31 aerorobnz : Probably 2 years ago now. Shortly after QF started leasing N409MC to fly under the QF flight number. It had previously been the aircraft used by NZ.
32 NZStevenC : With the likely demise of BD flights, I'm wondering how much connecting traffic does NZ put on BD flights from LHR to EDI, BHD, DUB? There are current
33 aerorobnz : NZ are not going to operate anything new to UK/Europe for the foreseeable future - if ever.. That much is just about a certainty. There are focuses mu
34 ZKSUJ : Basically just drop the 5 from the front and thats the call sign
35 JMM99 : yes but if on or about 21NOV, QF is shut down or unions go on strike, it give Qantas a way to get passengers to LAX. They could easily arrange interl
36 mariner : Well, not quite all of us - I don't want them. I would be very happy to see Air NZ stick basically to what it has in the way of Europe and the USA an
37 byronicle6 : I agree! With Asia being the growth centre of the world NZ should focus any new long haul routes to Asia such as AKL-NGO, AKL-BOM or AKL-CGK/DPS. Or
38 Post contains images Mr AirNZ : I have no desire to debate the issue around QF vs the unions but have you read what the FWA ordered termination means? It removes the lock out/strike
39 Zkpilot : A few years ago they were doing AKL-PMR-CHC by night then presumably the return trip during the day.
40 cchan : Are JQ and QF on different air operator certificates? Can JQ do AKL-LAX without some sort of application to both governments? Will customers booked o
41 PA515 : But what's the point of targeting UK and Australian passengers with an 'All Black' aircraft? They support other teams. Conversely, if we had a green
42 PA515 : Thought so too. The capitals in the username are a giveaway, plus other traits. And still 'working in a travel agency' after all those previous posts
43 BlackLabel : I think you'll find most passengers won't notice - or care - what the outside of the aircraft says.
44 NZStevenC : I don't see that it's up to LH. They've tolerated NZ services to FRA before. Sure, they could try and muscle NZ out, but would they really be bothere
45 Post contains links TravellerPlus : Here is a link to some information on the ASAs as they relate to the USA, NZ and Single Air Market airlines. http://www.transport.govt.nz/legisla...ti
46 ZKEOJ : I already use option 4 most of the time, followed by option 5 (mostly SQ). I go to Europe about twice a year, sometimes three times, and in almost al
47 byronicle6 : Im interested to know whether Jetstar will continue from LAX to JFK as i have heard its a route Qantas were planning to drop (I assume the current Qan
48 joelyboy911 : Never. The reason for the QF flight to JFK is so that connecting Australian pax can have the Qantas experience all the way to their final destination
49 aerorobnz : It will be up to NZ upper management, who I suspect are not keen to take on something which is so directly competitive with several legacy airlines w
50 Post contains links NZStevenC : I think that is totally fair. Again then, assuming NZ stick with the status quo and the BD flights fall away, it will be interesting to see what will
51 nascarnut : Air NZ scheduled to receive 2 new aircraft next week. 777-300ER ZK-OKP has been rescheduled. It is currently expected as follows NZ6391 ETD PAE 1800/0
52 zkncj : Was booking flights for AKL-WLG-AKL in early Jan12 today, noticed that the A320 are coming closer to domination on this route now.
53 nascarnut : Air NZ to add 737 service between ROT and CHC from Nov 2012 to March 2013. To operate daily except for Fridays Also to add CHC-Mt Cook-ZQN service 3 d
54 Post contains links NZ107 : Indeed very interesting. I'd like to try thar route out just to land at MON! A bit more info: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK111...nnounces-plans-f
55 aklrno : The purpose of a distinctive livery is not to impress the passengers on the plane. They can't see it, and only see a little bit of it when boarding.
56 alangirvan : Americans will think it is US Airways old livery, which was black.
57 darenw : Does anyone know what time the 787 arrive's on Saturday?
58 Post contains links and images PA515 : I did NOT say it was about impressing the pax on the aircraft. My argument is with using an All Black Rugby themed aircraft to destinations (UK/Austr
59 PA515 : Great news. Recommend it. Did CHC-MON in 185 skiplane ZK-MCU and MON-ZQN in 748 ZK-MCF. One thing you notice at MON is the silence, and a tight 180 d
60 SunriseValley : How susceptible is MON to weather conditions that would hinder operations . Would it be a candidate for RNP which I believe the new ATR's will be set
61 PA515 : I don't know how frequent, but they can get strong winds and turbulence that ground the skiplanes. As for visibility, I expect it would be similar to
62 Unclekoru : I think it's great news too. It's a beautiful part of NZ. There is a let down procedure off the Mt Mary VOR to 4000 ft, from there a VFR segment of a
63 NZ107 : A quick check on their website shows WLG-ZQN to be commenced 22 Dec.. Not sure if there's any more news.
64 ZKSUJ : No RNP procedure at MON as far as I'm aware. Just the let down over Mout Mary VOR which serves the whole Pukaki region.
65 alangirvan : Perhaps the announcement will be that they will turn WLG-ZQN into a WLG-DUD after the summer holidays. Or they might announce their own Christchurch
66 Post contains links avrich : Flight plan for ZK-OKP's delivery flight this evening has been filed. NZ6391, unfortunately due to arrive in AKL before sunrise. http://flightaware.co
67 Post contains links TravellerPlus : The JQ annocument is a marketing deal between JQ and Tourism New Zealand. They will also be offering the ipad as as IFE option on flights from NZ. htt
68 ZKOJH : Jetstar, which brings more than 400,000 passengers to New Zealand a year, expected to introduce the Boeing 787 Dreamliner on its existing Singapore-Au
69 nascarnut : The 787 is due to touchdown at AKL 1000 Saturday 12th Nov. It will remain in AKL until approx 1000 Tuesday 15th when it will depart for Sydney.
70 SunriseValley : Will you post the flight number when it is available?
71 nascarnut : Once I know it, I will post straight away
72 SunriseValley : This will be an interesting one in so far as it might be the first test of the NZL EDTO standard for a none NZL carrier. If the airways used are from
73 aerorobnz : It is still November 2012, a long way to go yet - plenty of time for other carriers with 787s delivered before then to steal their thunder. AI/CZ/LA
74 Post contains images deconz : According to FlightAware it's yet to depart so you might very well see it around dawn tomorrow
75 Post contains links darenw : Hopefully a little before November 2012, but who knows http://milepoint.com/forums/threads/...to-service-on-iah-akl-route.13894/
76 nascarnut : Aircraft is now airborne. Departed PAE @ 1814/07. ETA AKL is now 0455/09. Scheduled to operate 1st revenue flight on 14th Nov. NZ125/126 AKL-MEL-AKL
77 ZKOJH : NZ have issued a media statement on the 787 show this Saturday with times and runways. The Boeing 787 will touch down in New Zealand for the first tim
78 koruman : On the occasion of Joe Frazier's passing, I would like to congratulate the people who do Air New Zealand's IFE acquisition. Two years ago on an AKL-HK
79 cchan : Because some of the passengers watch them:
80 koruman : It's not just that. We established during the World Cup that the vast majority of English (as opposed to Welsh) people have zero interest in rugby an
81 Post contains links ZKOJH : intresting read on ''Routes'' today and found that the 4 top routes AKL are after are; Let the airline games begin!! To GRU (São Paulo-Guarulhos Inte
82 koruman : This route is massively underserved at current exchange rates. Actual embarkation and disembarkation as opposed to capacity on SYD-HNL is increasing
83 NZ107 : Since GA dropped this route some years ago, nobody has been able to fill in the space. I have at least one friend who is Indonesian and has had probl
84 Post contains links A330NZ : I saw something on ATW earlier. Apparently Bengaluru (Banglore) in India is aiming to establish itself to become a hub for passengers travelling from
85 Post contains links ZKOJH : Seems to be a lot happinging this year in New Zealand, ''New Zealand launches overhaul of air service policies'' In an effort to improve access to ove
86 aerorobnz : OZ/GA/HA/BI/BR/JL/UA/CO/CP/CI/ (previous MD11/343 flights) were all examples of carriers that made money seasonally only, hence they all pulled out at
87 Zkpilot : Um, no we didn't... YOU however had one of your rants and as sometimes happens got it completely wrong... having been in the UK during the RWC I can
88 alangirvan : One problem is that people without Australian/NZ passports need a transit visa even just for a stop at an Australian airport, so GA would want to ope
89 NZ107 : OKP is looking good at the AKL MX hangar.. But the engine tips aren't blue haha. It'll be nice to get some photos of this one in action.
90 KiwiRob : I was also in the UK over the world cup and completely agree with you, I was also in France as well, the world cup was in all the papers and on the T
91 MillwallSean : Your mate must be a very picky traveller. No nonstop to Jakarta but places like Singapore, KL And Australia offers more than decent connections. I do
92 Zkpilot : There are plenty of rugby clubs in London... the problem is that it is expensive to get a decent stadium for a professional club in London because as
93 mariner : I've always assumed that they're reflection of culture, just as I see the koru is a reflection of the culture. I would think very few overseas folk -
94 cchan : Personally, I don't mind what colour the aircrafts are painted in. I just hope NZ won't make the mistake of painting a 77E in black and fly it to the
95 NZ107 : I wonder if that'd be a viable option for D7 then....
96 xiaotung : BEIJING SCHEDULE CHANGE Air New Zealand would like to advise the following schedule adjustments for travel to/from Beijing. Auckland – Beijing and v
97 koruman : You could do a beautiful logojet with a picture of Mitre Peak or the Bay of Islands, and it would attract attention and harness demand. But an All Bl
98 ZKOJH : r.e Beijing change - is that just NZ's way of saying lets axe the route now ?? the times are fine a lot better then what they where, I got a friend wh
99 aerorobnz : In other words, NZ wanted a different day of week to operate on or even a different slot on the same day but PEK wouldn't accommodate (not entirely s
100 xiaotung : I wonder how CZ can sustain daily CAN?
101 deconz : I understood the 763 didn't have the legs to do AKL/PEK with a commercial load.
102 xiaotung : Or why not even extend NRT/KIX service to PEK. Fifth freedom is not that hard. EY has it.
103 nascarnut : Appears NZ will be operating DJ's AKL-MEL and AKL-OOL service with A320 for awhile. A320 will operate AKL-MLE-AKL-OOL-AKL on a daily basis effective 1
104 777ER : I think its a good idea for NZ to paint some aircraft All Black to show their support/sponsership for the ABs but I don't believe painting 5-8 aircra
105 NZ107 : I'd say less so for the time being just since they will only have such a small fleet to begin with and they'll want to be focusing on the main routes
106 nascarnut : Was wondering if possibly 1st Pacific Blue aircraft to be repainted into Virgin Australia colours
107 zkncj : Do you have anymore info on this? I'm flying on DJ78 on 26NOV My flight is still sadly showing its operated by DJ I have around 10 mates on this flig
108 mariner : I don't see why that matters. Rugby is huge here, and it is a New Zealand airline. I'd like to see all cabin announcements not just in the two spoken
109 KiwiRob : NZ sign language? I don't think I've ever been on an airline which has announcements in sign.
110 mariner : Neither have I. There aren't too many airlines with Pink flights, either. And I doubt Sign would happen, but I'd love to see it. mariner
111 alangirvan : Sign language was used in Rob Fyfe's YouTube reply to the Listener. No reason why sign language should not be used on the safety video. Braille is al
112 NZ1 : First PB aircraft to be repainted is currently scheduled to be ZK-PBJ and isn't until 6th Jan next year. NZ1
113 BlackLabel : SQ safety briefing is also signed. I'm sure I've seen it on another airline but I can't recall which.
114 PA515 : It's not the day of week that's the problem. Presently AKL-China is five weekly. AKL-PEK 2130/0610 We Sa, PEK-AKL 1150/0550 Th Su AKL-PVG 2345/0710 M
115 cchan : On the few occasions (various times during the day) I used PEK Terminal 3, there were lots of unused gates (Terminal 2 can be more crowded), and ther
116 Post contains links NZ1 : The following has just been released to the media. I do not have a link yet. The source is internal company memo. Boeing 787 Dreamliner arrival tomorr
117 koruman : The new Premium Economy Spaceseat with additional legroom is now getting rave reviews on a certain two other aviation forums, as is the Economy Skycou
118 NZ107 : This is what the winds will probably be like tomorrow... Wish I had media contacts to get up and close to the action!
119 NZ1 : I am lucky that I will be there on the Tarmac. Looking forward to it. Interested to see the structure close up. NZ1
120 aerorobnz : Yes potentially it will be looked at as part of the ongoing longhaul review, though I think it'll be the rear cabin converted before the middle block
121 SOLENT : I think the painting of logo jets adds to the richness of the display at airports. I was in Paris for the start of the RWC and then travelled through
122 Post contains links deconz : it's on it's way ... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1
123 Post contains images kiwiandrew : G'day John. My brother is very excited ( practically pee-in-the-pants level) that he is working this weekend - he is hoping to get a an up close and
124 Post contains images deconz : How exciting for him. I'd give my right arm to get that close. Will have to be content with watching the live streaming of it's arrival tomorrow
125 NZ107 : Arrival 09:01 NZDT 09:11 NZDT Are they purposely going to slow down? They can't come an hour early..
126 joelyboy911 : Does Flightaware have a function to tell you which registration is operating the flight? I can't seem to see it. Anyone know which N-Number we will be
127 Post contains links A330NZ : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFMn2QgyJ0M TP has sign in safety videos
128 NZ107 : N787BA.
129 Post contains images joelyboy911 : I hoped (and suspected) it would be!
130 Post contains images aerorobnz : Sure they can. NZ1/NZ83/NZ7 do it all the time. Having said that I'm not sure if the flying parade is going to waste some time at the other end... I
131 NZ107 : Of course they can.. But this isn't a commercial flight.. Having said that, it'd be hilarious if tonnes of people turn up just before 10 and wait for
132 Unclekoru : Pacific Blue are operating some domestic Australian services on behalf of Virgin Australia for a limited period. Air NZ will fill in for Pac Blue on
133 joelyboy911 : Great news. Hopefully this helps to drive the VBA stocks up a bit more so that they can fully make up the losses they've made since NZ purchased. Cur
134 TravellerPlus : Does anyone know how often Pac Blue rotate aircraft through Australian airports as per normal Virgin group schedules? Prior to DJ's AKL-CNS service,
135 777ER : Virgin Australia have got PacBlue painted aircraft on both the ZK and VH regos. The ZK regos are the aircraft flying Tasman routes RON (overnight) in
136 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Was watching the livestream of the 787 when it froze... then I looked up out of my bedroom window and got a much better view of it
137 NZ107 : What a beauty. I wish I could get up a bit closer! Now to wait for the 789..
138 aerorobnz : Was really chuffed with my photos from this morning. I might upload them later. I distinctly got the feeling from looking at it as it taxiied by a co
139 Post contains links and images NZ107 : I also suppose that nobody could factor in the delays and we should have either version by now.. But we can't change that. Anyway here's my shot of i
140 The777Man : ZK-OJR left LAX to HNL about an hour ago. It's on deluvery from Europe and should arrive AKL tomorrow I guess ? It's in All-Blacks livery. The777Man
141 LAXintl : Anyone see the comments made in November issue of Airline Business regarding ANZ LHR services? Air New Zealand is the latest carrier to signal it is l
142 xiaotung : I thought HKG-LHR was first candidate. There are only less than 2 months before year end. Let's see what's going to happen.
143 SunriseValley : The examples given are of carriers with very similar quality of product. For NZ to turn it's passengers over to a US legacy carrier in LAX for on for
144 Post contains links BlackLabel : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFMn2QgyJ0M TP has sign in safety videos Thanks, that's interesting. After some YouTube research the other one I have s
145 LAXintl : Is there another Star carrier in the market that ANZ can work with via HKG? Unless Virgin Atlantic joins up there seems to be no possible partners. W
146 Kaiarahi : The 789 changes that. I still think AKL-ORD-BRU would be a great route. ORD-BRU could become another O/D niche (like LAX-LHR) and BRU offers high-spe
147 Post contains images aerorobnz : Consider that be transferring the 788s to 789s after the first round or two of delays ensured that the delay was maximised, not minimised - and by do
148 Post contains images Zkpilot : I read this and felt it could be improved (if you are up with the current trend that is...) Nek minnit...
149 BlackLabel : That makes more sense than any QF/CX link, although QF/BA is obviously a fairly cosy tie-up with the JSA. I hope so. I seem to be hitting the old air
150 Kaiarahi : Maybe the term is used differently in NZL. For North Americans and Europeans, AKL-ORD-BRU is a one-stop. As they do on LAX-LHR, but with a different
151 koruman : I fly this regularly, and have a few free comments for NZ management if anyone is listening. 1) I fly the NZ service AKL-LAX-LHR. 2) I already choose
152 NZStevenC : Does LAX-LHR turn a profit as-is? Is there seriously an appetite within the airline to stop serving LHR? Who is Mr Bentley from this article?
153 Zkpilot : I was always under the impression that it was one of the top 3 most profitable routes as half the pax were transit and the other half paid a premium
154 SunriseValley : Rob I believe you are overlooking the fact that the 788 will not meet weight targets until Line # 90 whereas the 789 will meet them on the first fram
155 koruman : But therein lies the rub. Apart from the USA and Canada, as well as Japan which is already served and Singapore (which has been canned) every single
156 Unclekoru : Virgin Australia operate flights to the Pacific Islands, Denpasar and Phuket on behalf of Pacific Blue using these 738 aircraft (in addition to them
157 NZ107 : And any possibility of EK starting a nonstop AKL-DXB service for this purpose too? Let's hope they don't can LHR.
158 koruman : The problem with Air New Zealand is that Rob Fyfe's team are basically all cast in his own image. With one notable exception, they are young people w
159 mariner : Okay, I'm really confused. If you're happy with Virgin Australia, why not just move to it? mariner
160 koruman : Firstly, loyalty to Air New Zealand the company and to the country I still call home. And even though I read it on Press Display every day, I love th
161 mariner : If that's how you feel, there is nothing anyone can say, but since you have responded to the question I'll give it a go. I would suspect that you wil
162 koruman : You might well be right there. You make some excellent points. But one of the things we tend not to recognise is how much "national identity" drives
163 mariner : I recognize that absolutely. Although British, I was brought up in the Middle East - my father was Chief Engineer of Arab Airways - and they were the
164 ZKOJH : so will rase a questions then how long before the LHR base is closed then? wasn't NZ1 the gold mine- scale back HKG and scrape RAR-LAX is the airline
165 xiaotung : I find it really odd that NZ is advertising Velocity on their own Australia homepage. It's as if telling people not to bother with Airpoints because i
166 Post contains images LAXintl : Particular of importance for a smaller carrier like ANZ which simply cannot be in all places at once, nor has the financial might to sustain far flun
167 Kaiarahi : They already do exactly this on Canadian premium economy tickets. Buy a premium economy ticket for YUL/YOW/YHZ/YYZ/etc-AKL and you find yourself flyi
168 777ER : I e-mailed Mr Fyfe over this issue several months ago and he replyed telling me that Air NZ passengers like the cheapest options for internal flights
169 cchan : Given the close connections between New Zealand and the UK, and the travel demands between the countries, I don't believe services to LHR will be sto
170 koruman : Nope. Not at all. Air New Zealand has invested in by far the best Star Alliance lounge at LAX and is in a small, manageable terminal. If I was willin
171 avrich : Simple. There are far more Velocity members in Australia than Airpoints members, and I would imagine more UA members in Japan given the much greater
172 BlackLabel : Can't answer that, but saw her in SFO a week ago looking extremely clean and shiny - fresh out of the wash. Hope that she's not too badly damaged...
173 BlackLabel : Well, one assumes the aircraft stops in both ORD and BRU. I was quoting from Fyfe's memo, but he does mean "two destination" operations, e.g. AKL-LAX
174 aerorobnz : Still sitting in YVR. damaged during a wind storm I believe.
175 NZ1 : NBV was actually given a full repaint on it's recent maintenance visit to China, hence the shiny new look. NZ1
176 aklrno : I also much prefer T-2 to anything else at LAX. I could just as easily fly Qantas but the NZ business class is better and I hate to enter the Bradley
177 Kaiarahi : That reply is blatant bullturd. As you pointed out, no one would buy a PE ticket AKL-LAX and the cheapest possible ticket for the ongoing 6+ hour fli
178 deconz : with excellent rail links to major points in Europe too!
179 BlackLabel : That explains it. Looked fantastic! Presumably your travel agent could book the add-on sectors in a higher fare class if you asked. Often the differe
180 aklrno : Unless you are going to the east coast of the US or Canada, it isn't 6+ hours. Many of us are connecting to a 1 or 2 hour flight. Mine is about 1 hou
181 deconz : but it's NZ who control which booking class is valid since it is their thru fare.
182 BlackLabel : I'm pretty sure they can sell a higher class if required. I've had through-fares booked into E on UA for domestic when other (lower) classes were sol
183 koruman : I never bother buying fares beyond NZ's North American gateways anymore, because the airline just screws me by either: a) Booking into a cheap economy
184 aerorobnz : I know this would likely be too much bother to organise, but given that you are NZ*E and many others on here are NZ*G or higher, and through all your
185 deconz : Well I've worked as a travel agent for 10+ years and can assure you it will only be one (or at the most two) booking classes that will be valid. And
186 BlackLabel : I just skimmed the Canadian and USA add-on fare rules and they are different to what I've used in the past, although they don't look like bargain-bas
187 Post contains links deconz : Unfortunately W class is towards the very bottom for both UA and AC. On UA it goes Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, W then special use codes S, T, K, L, G whi
188 Kaiarahi : Whichever way you look at it, it's a blatant rip-off. Once you deduct the AKL-LAX/SFO/YVR U class fare, NZ is charging considerably more for the ongo
189 BlackLabel : I don't know what you're meaning by special-use codes for STKLG as these are very common fare codes for UA domestic fares. Probably half my UA domest
190 BlackLabel : Agreed. Such is the fun and games with airline ticketing.
191 BlackLabel : Well, I'll eat my hat on this one. It seems there's no longer a way to combine the higher fare add-ons. I can't tell when this changed, but looking a
192 777ER : Yes but depends on which agents you use. for the last two trips I've used NZ Holidays. Even if you can you'll still pay higher fares because NZ add o
193 BlackLabel : That unfortunately is UA policy. UA is now even reducing their Economy Plus benefits for their Silver tier members (seats only available 48h prior to
194 777ER : YES I certainly would expect to be booked on a full Y ticket if I purchase a Y+ ticket on NZ and had a connecting UA or AC flights as part of my book
195 BlackLabel : I don't think it's realistic for a premium economy ticket to book add-ons into the Y bucket. That would definitely inflate the ticket cost beyond wha
196 777ER : If you saw a Y+ ticket being advertised with NZ to say ORD, would you expect with the UA internal flight to be booked in 'W' or a higher Economy fare
197 Kaiarahi : Not necessarily. Right now NZ is charging more for the discounted Y than it would cost the pax to buy it and pocketing the difference. It doesn't hav
198 Post contains images BlackLabel : I don't understand why you think it's realistic to expect the highest booking class. The main benefit (outside of weird airline specifics such as the
199 deconz : I totally agree. However, that works TWO ways - NZ shouldn't exploit their pax by booking them in a cheap fare bucket and then pocket the difference!
200 Post contains links cchan : Thank you for the contributions in this thread, and please continue the discussion in New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 106 (by cchan Nov 15 2011 in Ci
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