Saxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3887 times:
I am a big fan of AA. I live near their HQ and DFW and have noticed that they don't fly one of their newest planes into DFW: the 737-800. This is a beautiful plane I think and was just wondering why they don't fly those into AA's biggest hub, DFW. I also know that they don't have any Airbus A300 here either, but I know they use them mainly at MIA for thier east coast and Carribean routes.
CF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3767 times:
I can only speculate that the range of the -800, along with its relatively modern cabin amenities, make AA more competetive on long sectors such as transcons, and in the competetive NE markets. DFW is smack in the middle of AA's operations and probably can make do with the MD-80 for the time being. DFW is a major hub and when something 'sexy and new' is required for market image out of DFW, they can probably fill a 757. I'm sure that as they stock up on -800s, you'll see them. I agree, they're pretty in AA colors, especially the Retrojet.
174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
I can tell you why none are there because I flew on them a week ago...A 737-800 in retro paint. They are all at ORD. My flight went from ord to sfo. What a wonderful aircraft...New and amazing cockpit.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3654 times:
I'll be flying an AA MD-80 from JFK to DFW in August. I was wondering why my flight was the ONLY daily scheduled MD-80 out of JFK for AA. Why don't they just make them all 737-800s? Now I know. . .thanks for the info.
Man, I thought that AA might put in an equipment change before I fly, guess not.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
DIA- I think they put the MD-80 on the route because they aren't ready to introduce the 738 at DFW even though the gates have the 738 markings. American for some reason only has 2 or 3 flights on DFW-JFK, as most of their New York-Dallas/Ft.worth services go through LGA. At LGA, I have seen a few AA 738s.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3621 times:
As blink and others have mentioned, first the 738's are replacing the 727's which have been relegated to DFW & MIA. If you look at the OAG, most(not all) of the cities that are served with the remaining 727's have airports in industrial/warehouse/commercial areas. After the last 727 is gone, then my bet is the MD-80 will begin its slow retirement program. My best bet is though, since AA just lets some 738 delivery options expire that this process has a long way to go. I wouldn't expect to see any md-80's start leaving until 2004 or 5 at the earliest. Remember these are Douglas built aircraft. Northwest is still flying 9's from the late 60's! The Mad Dog will be around for a while to come!
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8175 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
I think the AA 737-800's are primarily being used flying in and out of airports where noise restrictions are a major issue. That's why AA 738's are very common sights at SFO, SJC, LAX and SNA, all airports with some of the most stringent noise control regulations in the USA.
CannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
The 737-800 is used on missions where:
A) There are payload restrictions for a S80 or S83.
B) Premium seat markets like ORD-LGA, ORD-SFO and ORD-SJC. The 738 has more first class seats than the S80 or S83.
C) Overwater missions like Miami Caribbean Latin America) since there are no overwater S80s in AA's fleet. There are, of course, 80 some limited overwater S80s, but these can not fly MCLA. This is why you see them deployed out of MIA as a replacement for 757 and 727 flying.
D) Missions out of SNA as the replacement for the MD90s that used the exemption slots gained from QQ. The 738 is now qualified to use the E slots at SNA.
E) Transcon flights like BDL-LAX.
Why do you not see a 737-800 at DFW right now? AA does not schedule them there as DFW does not have a crew base for the 737 and will not have one for awhile until more 737s come into the fleet. However, you will most likely see 737s scheduled at DFW around middle December. Deployment at DFW will be slow and only payload restrcited markets will be prime candidates for the 738. Additionally, MX will have to spool up to do MX at DFW. This will include training and the purchase and storage of parts.
Highliner is not correct when he says AA can not schedule 727s into ORD anymore. AA only choses not to schedule the 727 into ORD as MIA is the MX base. There is, however, no prohibition to schedule 727s. Just look at UA, they still fly plenty at ORD the last time I looked.
Highliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
Yes, they are not RESTRICTED, but all the 727's are gone because of the noise sensitivity around ORD, if you lived here you would know that's a huge issue and the major reason residents are not supporting the expansion. And UA is quickly phasing out there 727's here as well. There are not PLENTY, they get harder to find every month. No other airline, with the possible exception of NW and MAYBE DL flies the 727 into here with any regularity anymore. Noise is that big of a deal around here. It's a shame but that's why there are so many 737-800s around here.
CannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
I only used the word restricted since you specifically said "They are all at ORD because AA cannot fly its 727's there anymore." To me that implies that they are restricted at ORD. However, don't get your feathers in a ruffle I wasn't attacking you at all. I was only making part of the discussion more clear and only referenced your name so that others would could find the statement I was refering to above.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6301 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
In SJU we get a descent number of AA 737-800's
2 daily flights from MIA
1 daily flight from BDL
2 daily flights from IAD
1 daily flight from PHL
2 daily flights from TPA
At SJU we mainly see AA 757's and A300's and a few 727's.
Us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4034 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
I say its worth the wait if it means the 727's can stick around a while longer.
Blink-the reason why there is only one daily DFW run scheduled to JFK is that they have at least 10x daily flights on the DFW-LGA route. JFK really is not much of a connecting hub for them; most of the traffic is O&D. However, once the new terminal is completed, we might see maybe 3 more daily's, but the demand really isn't that high.
Doug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3547 times:
MIA has almost the same amount of daily 738's flights as ORD.From MIA AA uses them to
There maybe a few that I am missing. While I was in Miami last week I counted 11 of them at the gates.But for now MIA and ORD will get the lions share of the a/c for a while to come.
: Man, how many cycles must those old AA 727's have? I'll gladly avoid them.
26 American 767
: Sleekjet, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you. The Boeing 727 is one of the most beautiful bird mankind has ever built. I can understand
: You also asked why the A300 does not show up in DFW; AA uses the A300 primarily on its Caribbean routes out of JFK and MIA and also on some flights to
: DutchJet:Although eventually you may be right, AA has made no announcement that it will replace the A300's on any route as of this year.