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Why No AA 737-800 At Dfw?  
User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

I am a big fan of AA. I live near their HQ and DFW and have noticed that they don't fly one of their newest planes into DFW: the 737-800. This is a beautiful plane I think and was just wondering why they don't fly those into AA's biggest hub, DFW. I also know that they don't have any Airbus A300 here either, but I know they use them mainly at MIA for thier east coast and Carribean routes.


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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

I can only speculate that the range of the -800, along with its relatively modern cabin amenities, make AA more competetive on long sectors such as transcons, and in the competetive NE markets. DFW is smack in the middle of AA's operations and probably can make do with the MD-80 for the time being. DFW is a major hub and when something 'sexy and new' is required for market image out of DFW, they can probably fill a 757. I'm sure that as they stock up on -800s, you'll see them. I agree, they're pretty in AA colors, especially the Retrojet.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

I would echo the sentiment of CF-CPI.

Someone once told me that the day you see 738's showing up at DFW means the MD-80's will be on their way out as their days will be numbered.


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

I can tell you why none are there because I flew on them a week ago...A 737-800 in retro paint. They are all at ORD. My flight went from ord to sfo. What a wonderful aircraft...New and amazing cockpit.

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

I looked on A.net and there is one picture of an 738 in DFW... But you're right not too many there and this pic is of one that was just there in the 737/777 hanger at a open house...
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User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

They are all at ORD because AA cannot fly its 727's there anymore. The 727's have been replaced at ORD at least by the 737-800s.


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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

I heard they will start ops in DFW once the DFW based 727s are on their way out.
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

There are plenty of 738s in MIA too.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Lot's of 738s in MIA too. They fly to, among other places, Maracaibo, Mexico City, Chicago, LaGuardia, San Juan, and San Jose.


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

I'll be flying an AA MD-80 from JFK to DFW in August. I was wondering why my flight was the ONLY daily scheduled MD-80 out of JFK for AA. Why don't they just make them all 737-800s? Now I know. . .thanks for the info.

Man, I thought that AA might put in an equipment change before I fly, guess not.

-DIA



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

There are quite a few 738s at BOS for AA as well.

Jeff


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

DIA- I think they put the MD-80 on the route because they aren't ready to introduce the 738 at DFW even though the gates have the 738 markings. American for some reason only has 2 or 3 flights on DFW-JFK, as most of their New York-Dallas/Ft.worth services go through LGA. At LGA, I have seen a few AA 738s.
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blink182



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User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

As blink and others have mentioned, first the 738's are replacing the 727's which have been relegated to DFW & MIA. If you look at the OAG, most(not all) of the cities that are served with the remaining 727's have airports in industrial/warehouse/commercial areas. After the last 727 is gone, then my bet is the MD-80 will begin its slow retirement program. My best bet is though, since AA just lets some 738 delivery options expire that this process has a long way to go. I wouldn't expect to see any md-80's start leaving until 2004 or 5 at the earliest. Remember these are Douglas built aircraft. Northwest is still flying 9's from the late 60's! The Mad Dog will be around for a while to come!

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

I think the AA 737-800's are primarily being used flying in and out of airports where noise restrictions are a major issue. That's why AA 738's are very common sights at SFO, SJC, LAX and SNA, all airports with some of the most stringent noise control regulations in the USA.

User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

The 737-800 is used on missions where:

A) There are payload restrictions for a S80 or S83.
B) Premium seat markets like ORD-LGA, ORD-SFO and ORD-SJC. The 738 has more first class seats than the S80 or S83.
C) Overwater missions like Miami Caribbean Latin America) since there are no overwater S80s in AA's fleet. There are, of course, 80 some limited overwater S80s, but these can not fly MCLA. This is why you see them deployed out of MIA as a replacement for 757 and 727 flying.
D) Missions out of SNA as the replacement for the MD90s that used the exemption slots gained from QQ. The 738 is now qualified to use the E slots at SNA.
E) Transcon flights like BDL-LAX.

Why do you not see a 737-800 at DFW right now? AA does not schedule them there as DFW does not have a crew base for the 737 and will not have one for awhile until more 737s come into the fleet. However, you will most likely see 737s scheduled at DFW around middle December. Deployment at DFW will be slow and only payload restrcited markets will be prime candidates for the 738. Additionally, MX will have to spool up to do MX at DFW. This will include training and the purchase and storage of parts.

Highliner is not correct when he says AA can not schedule 727s into ORD anymore. AA only choses not to schedule the 727 into ORD as MIA is the MX base. There is, however, no prohibition to schedule 727s. Just look at UA, they still fly plenty at ORD the last time I looked.

Blink...there's only one DFW-JFK flight......


User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Yes, they are not RESTRICTED, but all the 727's are gone because of the noise sensitivity around ORD, if you lived here you would know that's a huge issue and the major reason residents are not supporting the expansion. And UA is quickly phasing out there 727's here as well. There are not PLENTY, they get harder to find every month. No other airline, with the possible exception of NW and MAYBE DL flies the 727 into here with any regularity anymore. Noise is that big of a deal around here. It's a shame but that's why there are so many 737-800s around here.


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User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

I only used the word restricted since you specifically said "They are all at ORD because AA cannot fly its 727's there anymore." To me that implies that they are restricted at ORD. However, don't get your feathers in a ruffle I wasn't attacking you at all. I was only making part of the discussion more clear and only referenced your name so that others would could find the statement I was refering to above.

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Correct all of AA 737-800 are at ORD. I go to ORD alot and their always there....Just millions of them!

User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Actually they are split between MIA and ORD.....

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6177 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

In SJU we get a descent number of AA 737-800's
2 daily flights from MIA
1 daily flight from BDL
2 daily flights from IAD
1 daily flight from PHL
2 daily flights from TPA
At SJU we mainly see AA 757's and A300's and a few 727's.

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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

I say its worth the wait if it means the 727's can stick around a while longer.
Blink-the reason why there is only one daily DFW run scheduled to JFK is that they have at least 10x daily flights on the DFW-LGA route. JFK really is not much of a connecting hub for them; most of the traffic is O&D. However, once the new terminal is completed, we might see maybe 3 more daily's, but the demand really isn't that high.


User currently offlineAlphie747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

I'll tell ya one thing, those AA 737-800 pilots really like to pull back on the stick when flying out of ORD. One AA pliot told me he loves the power of the 737-800 on take off...

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

I've been seeing the 737-800 fly into Detroit DTW a lot lately. I think it has been replacing the 727s to MIA.

User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

I sure miss seeing the 727 at ORD with AA. I was up there visiting last December and not one did I see  Sad

User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

MIA has almost the same amount of daily 738's flights as ORD.From MIA AA uses them to
DEN(2x)
BDL
ORD(6x)
SJC
LGA(2x)
PHL
YUL
TPA(3x)
MCO(2x)
SJU(2x)
BWI
MEX(3x)
CUN(2x)
KIN(2x)
SJO
GUA(3x)
MGA
AUA
MAR
LRM
PTY(2x)
There maybe a few that I am missing. While I was in Miami last week I counted 11 of them at the gates.But for now MIA and ORD will get the lions share of the a/c for a while to come.


25 Sleekjet : Man, how many cycles must those old AA 727's have? I'll gladly avoid them.
26 American 767 : Sleekjet, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you. The Boeing 727 is one of the most beautiful bird mankind has ever built. I can understand
27 Dutchjet : You also asked why the A300 does not show up in DFW; AA uses the A300 primarily on its Caribbean routes out of JFK and MIA and also on some flights to
28 Us330 : DutchJet:Although eventually you may be right, AA has made no announcement that it will replace the A300's on any route as of this year.
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