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QF31 A380 Diverted To DXB Due To Engine Problem  
User currently offlineraaadek From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26393 times:

Just saw it on flightradar24.com. Anyone knows something?

http://www.airliners.net/uf/65476/phpsaZAOQ.gif

[Edited 2011-11-03 17:07:58]

[Edited 2011-11-03 17:59:23]

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User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26355 times:

It's at 10,000 feet which is quite strange.

I have no idea whats going on, but could it be a fuel dump prior to landing?



Flights Booked: BAH-DOH-EDI-LGW-JER-LGW-EDI-DOH-BAH-LHR-EDI-LHR-EDI-LHR-BAH-DXB-HKG-SIN-HKG-DXB-BAH-LHR-EDI
User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26351 times:

It appears to be VH-OQC on SIN-LHR, new descending through FL100...

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4212 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26309 times:

Quoting malioil (Reply 1):
It's at 10,000 feet which is quite strange.

I have no idea whats going on, but could it be a fuel dump prior to landing?

It would seem a fuel dump, and at 10,000ft, may indicate a pressurisation issue.



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User currently offlineraaadek From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26158 times:

It descended into Dubai area at 23.30UTC so it has been going in circles for 49min now.

http://www.airliners.net/uf/65476/phpSSIrKp.gif


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26121 times:
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Appears to have been an IFSD of one of the engines per http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...ect-diverts-qantas-flight-to-dubai

User currently offlineraaadek From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26072 times:

first news

A QANTAS flight bound for London has been diverted to Dubai after reportedly experiencing engine trouble.

QF31 from Singapore to London was diverted to the Emirate after an oil indicator warning light came on during the flight.

The flight left Singapore at 12pm local time (3am AEDT)

Some reports suggest one of the planes engines had to be shut down.

The plane is due to land in Dubai at 11.45am AEDT.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...ouble/story-fn7x8me2-1226185577019


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1909 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26060 times:

Is it common to go into a holding pattern that far from the airport?


Flying refined.
User currently offlineraaadek From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26008 times:

left the holding, due to land shortly. flightradar24 is amazing!

User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25965 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 7):

My guess would be if they are dumping fuel, then best be over the mountains than on the city.


The aircraft is now out of the holding pattern and heading towards DXB.



Flights Booked: BAH-DOH-EDI-LGW-JER-LGW-EDI-DOH-BAH-LHR-EDI-LHR-EDI-LHR-BAH-DXB-HKG-SIN-HKG-DXB-BAH-LHR-EDI
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25965 times:
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Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 7):
Is it common to go into a holding pattern that far from the airport?

Dubai is not very wide so QF31 looks to be within about 50-60km of DXB.


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25973 times:

Yeah seems to be heading towards DXB. At 6000FT now..

Wonder what the reason is, could be a diversion? Only a matter of time the press give QF another bad rap over this...

Edit: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...ouble/story-fn7x8me2-1226185577019

Press picked it up!

[Edited 2011-11-03 17:30:53]

User currently offlineraaadek From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25929 times:

Engine trouble has forced a Qantas flight from Singapore to London to divert to Dubai.

Pilots shut down the number four engine of the Airbus A380 about 90 minutes after takeoff, a Qantas spokeswoman told AAP.

QF31 left Singapore at 12.32am local time (3.32am AEDT) on Thursday on 14-hour flight to London.
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Four pilots, 21 cabin crew and 258 passengers were on board when the incident forced the flight to divert to Dubai.

The aircraft was expected to land safely without further incident, the airline said.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...-qantas-flight-20111104-1myv0.html


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25748 times:

Interesting as this diversion comes a year to the day after the "explosion" over Indonesia where the QF 380 had to go back to Singapore!

User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25700 times:

Quoting raaadek (Reply 12):
258 passengers were on board

Yikes!!!, The flow on effect from the shutdown of the airline appears to be ongoing.



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User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25697 times:

Aircraft has landed.


Flights Booked: BAH-DOH-EDI-LGW-JER-LGW-EDI-DOH-BAH-LHR-EDI-LHR-EDI-LHR-BAH-DXB-HKG-SIN-HKG-DXB-BAH-LHR-EDI
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25313 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 14):
Quoting raaadek (Reply 12):
258 passengers were on board

Yikes!!!, The flow on effect from the shutdown of the airline appears to be ongoing.

To the contrary, surely they haven't cleared the back-log already?

(I know they have for domestic but there are many more flights per day, easier to sub larger aircraft between long-haul turns etc)



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25270 times:

I meant that this is a very low number suggesting a number of pax have chosen to fly with someone else.


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User currently onlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25141 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 17):
I meant that this is a very low number suggesting a number of pax have chosen to fly with someone else.

Yep, lots of international carriers to choose from, QF only has (or had) 18% of international traffic to and from Australia nowadays.

Streaming ABC News24, they are showing Qantas senate hearings overlaid with the news of the Qantas engine trouble, nice..



BV
User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25029 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 18):
Yep, lots of international carriers to choose from, QF only has (or had) 18% of international traffic to and from Australia nowadays.

Funny what a few months of Union action and a Management shut down can do to your figures. Well at least BoeingVista you have some pax numbers to spin on the other thread.


User currently onlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 24942 times:

Quoting col (Reply 19):
Funny what a few months of Union action and a Management shut down can do to your figures. Well at least BoeingVista you have some pax numbers to spin on the other thread.

The PAX number is fact not spin.

QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.

Shutting down the Airline for 72 hours by Alan Joyce is also fact not spin, AJ said before a senate committee a few hours ago that the decision to lock out the workers was his and his alone.



BV
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21804 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 24923 times:

Apparently, Stephen Fry was on the plane, coming back from Australia:

http://twitter.com/#!/stephenfry

-Mir



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24737 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
The PAX number is fact not spin.

Yep, but I thought my comment was funny and branched between two topics.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.

Did they not also state that they have seen dramatic drops since Union action started? I am one of those Pax who decided not to use QF in Sep/Oct because of Union threats. Thanks SQ.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
Shutting down the Airline for 72 hours by Alan Joyce is also fact not spin, AJ said before a senate committee a few hours ago that the decision to lock out the workers was his and his alone.

I did not say shutting down the airline was spin, in fact I pointed out it was a potential reason for the low numbers. You seem to be spinning my words in spin against me, but I am not sure of the spin rules in OZ, as I lost my Strine dictionary which had a section on spin.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24681 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20):
QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.


I am just going to have to disagree with you there BoeingVista.
I agree on the cost structure.
But really, there has been a lot of slowdown's and delayed flights on the union front and well publicized.
There have been nothing coming out publicly over the last 2 years or so on the positive front between the QF management and work groups also well publicized.
Just in the last few days we have had a lock out also well publicized.

I do not have a dog in this fight but frankly when you have an airline or any company with as much bad press that has been coming out over the last few years, I personally would have concerns about scheduling a QF flight when there are other competitors in the same market. There have been many an airline that has failed over work group issues, it just looks like QF is headed towards that long list. Even if they do get things settled out QF will have to over come the bad press in a highly competitive market place. It will be a tough hill to climb to get market share.

Okie


User currently offlineryu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24614 times:

Quoting raaadek (Reply 12):
Engine trouble has forced a Qantas flight from Singapore to London to divert to Dubai.

Pilots shut down the number four engine of the Airbus A380 about 90 minutes after takeoff, a Qantas spokeswoman told AAP.

If it happened just 90 minutes after takeoff, why proceed all the way to Dubai? Wouldn't it have been quicker to just return to SIN?


25 Zkpilot : This is a lighter than usual load, but at this time of year SIN-LHR does tend to have about 100 spare seats as it's summer in Oz and winter in the UK
26 UALWN : So people just accumulate in Oz?
27 Airvan00 : In Summer, yes.. Especailly if there is any form of UK vs OZ sporting events on during the summer.
28 Baroque : Not spin and another engine problem for QF, spin????? More like lack of spin?
29 SKAirbus : If this had been any other aircraft or airline this would have been a non-story. It was a simple indicator warning and controlled shutdown. Not an unc
30 OLBA : did BBC News really have to put this story on their website?
31 BoeingVista : Sure disagree, you have a right to be wrong. From an article posted 07/11/2008 well before the union action began. https://blogs.monash.edu/travel/20
32 EK413 : Thank-you for your defense... What spins me out would be the slow reaction to competition... Surely QF saw this coming years ago... 10 years ago perh
33 packersfan : All the more reason for the boofheads in the union to tread very quietly.
34 Post contains images col : Sadly, you are actually showing why QF has problems, you want more spin. Spin is just wasting time and energy. It does not give answers to the future
35 BoeingVista : I think that anything involving A380's will be news for some time to come Well, the QF spokesperson mentioned oil pressure, it was the lack of oil pr
36 Post contains images Baroque : No BV would never have made such a bad pun. Then again, if he HAD done it, he might have worded it so you realised that the reference to lack of spin
37 Post contains images col : And all the time.. The "Get The Bums Unloaded from Seats" union, or abreviated to "Get The BUS".
38 Tsveto4nik : Again Qantas, again A380, again engine...
39 SKAirbus : This sounds a bit out there but I'm going to say it and risk being ridiculed. According to the BBC it is exactly one year since the QF32 incident. Wit
40 col : Why would an airline engineer risk people's lives!! Also, the QF birds are higher rated RR engines, so maybe that could be an issue. The Engines are
41 Post contains images astuteman : And is quite likely to cause QF to be extremely cautious about oil warnings in engines, I would have thought... Presumably, once the offending engine
42 Post contains images Baroque : Alas, could not be them must have been the "Get the Boing Union" run by a couple of guys from Melbourne I do believe! They are the higher rated engin
43 Post contains images lightsaber : I'll be very curious as to the engine issue. Although it is only a report IFSD. Not ideal, but not what happened to that Pratt on the DL 744 either. T
44 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : Recently one of my company's A320s diverted after an engine failure during cruise...another diverted due to cargo fire warning, 3 medical diversions,
45 Baroque : Hope not too. Even the QF version is not nearly as high a thrust as the T900 is supposed to go IIRC. Did not ??Jetmech or your good self tell us that
46 jpiddink : You'll have to admit that having Stephen Fry onboard, twittering out his own confusion does help a bit in getting this in the news though...
47 QFFlyer : This plane [didn't get rego] has just come out of A check, so the suspicion is that [this time] relates to checks done - unlike the last oil leaks af
48 nclmedic : He tweeted the letter he was given by QF on the ground in DXB. Apparently all passengers given it but can't seem to link picture via Twitter on here.
49 bastew : My friend is crew on the flight. They are stuck in the air side hotel at DXB due to a lack of accom in DXB with the public holidays. The crew need 20h
50 BA777 : Probably a good decision to go to DXB, it's roughly on the great circle route, halfway along the way and if the problem happened 4 hours in, by the ti
51 keuleatr72 : Am I mistaken or wasn´t VH-OQC in LH maintenance in FRA during the grounding of QF last week?
52 nclmedic : But seems like lengthy delay caused by having QF's own engineers flying out from Oz?
53 BA777 : Fair point! Or you get RR engineers from the UK or SQ from SIN perhaps, for a nice price I'm sure
54 Baroque : So what does power by the hour include if it does not include a fix when you have an IFSD? I am lost over the issue of how engine maintenance for the
55 Airvan00 : Yes you are. It was VH-OQE that was, and still is in FRA. The "C" checks usually take about 3 weeks.
56 tdscanuck : If you're dumping fuel, yes. It's not good for departing or arriving aircraft to fly through a fuel vapour cloud. You're assuming they don't happen t
57 Baroque : Thank for that tds. So we can assume that CASA will be looking at the relationship of the engine failures to who did the last inspection before they
58 lightsaber : I've noted in threads that SQ often diverts to DXB too... There seems to be the facilities needed for repairs. I do find it interesting that hotel sp
59 Post contains images EPA001 : You are correct, but this is the A380. Anything happening to the A380 will cause a thread to be opened and will be heavily debated. We will probably
60 bastew : A little update. The crew are still in the transit hotel and have been given no info. Oodles of pax milling about not been given any info either. Ther
61 packersfan : By the sound of the difficulties with sorting out 258 pax, perhaps it was a little lucky they weren't having to deal with a full load.
62 nutsaboutplanes : I have seen several different "power by the hour" agreements at a couple of different carriers.....they seem to differ dramatically. At a carrier whe
63 okie : The linked article indicates "low oil" or oil loss. While this could be something as simple as a loose fitting, part or bad sensor, the history has b
64 Baroque : Big question is "was this (or should this have been) evident at inspection in Singapore"? If CASA gives stats it may indicate why QF seems to be havi
65 Post contains links BoeingVista : Qantas 747 engine failures raised at Senate inquiry From Ben Sandilands Plane Talking blog http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...failures-raised-at-s
66 Baroque : That looks awfully like "OUCH".
67 bastew : The aircraft has now left DXB carrying only the crew and operating as a ferry flight. It is due into LHR at approx 13:15L
68 BoeingVista : Are you able to get any more information as to exactly what the problem was?
69 bastew : Actually in the end the QF31D also carried some pax. It has an ETA of 15:00 into LHR terminal 3. Boeingvista i'll certainly ask my mate when she is ba
70 par13del : So in a general sense that should mean that the engines and the OEM are not the problem, next we shoudl like at the carrier and those responsible for
71 Baroque : I guess I don't need to point out that it does not require many "WOOOPS" such as this one to make whatever it is they are doing more expensive than s
72 Post contains images par13del : Nope, but unfortunately its not the way the bean counters work and how their numbers are used. Example, some airlines to reduce cost of fuel have a/c
73 BoeingVista : Problem reported on another website to be broken lock wire that allowed nut to unscrew and oil to drain, they refilled the oil replaced the wire and w
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