Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26693 posts, RR: 83 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24485 times:
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26693 posts, RR: 83 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24329 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 7): Is it common to go into a holding pattern that far from the airport?
Dubai is not very wide so QF31 looks to be within about 50-60km of DXB.
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23393 times:
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 18): Yep, lots of international carriers to choose from, QF only has (or had) 18% of international traffic to and from Australia nowadays.
Funny what a few months of Union action and a Management shut down can do to your figures. Well at least BoeingVista you have some pax numbers to spin on the other thread.
BoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1011 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23306 times:
Quoting col (Reply 19): Funny what a few months of Union action and a Management shut down can do to your figures. Well at least BoeingVista you have some pax numbers to spin on the other thread.
The PAX number is fact not spin.
QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.
Shutting down the Airline for 72 hours by Alan Joyce is also fact not spin, AJ said before a senate committee a few hours ago that the decision to lock out the workers was his and his alone.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19695 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23287 times:
Apparently, Stephen Fry was on the plane, coming back from Australia:
Yep, but I thought my comment was funny and branched between two topics.
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20): QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.
Did they not also state that they have seen dramatic drops since Union action started? I am one of those Pax who decided not to use QF in Sep/Oct because of Union threats. Thanks SQ.
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20): Shutting down the Airline for 72 hours by Alan Joyce is also fact not spin, AJ said before a senate committee a few hours ago that the decision to lock out the workers was his and his alone.
I did not say shutting down the airline was spin, in fact I pointed out it was a potential reason for the low numbers. You seem to be spinning my words in spin against me, but I am not sure of the spin rules in OZ, as I lost my Strine dictionary which had a section on spin.
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23045 times:
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 20): QF claim that they have been losing PAX share for years because of competition and its cost structure NOT because of union action, that is also fact.
I am just going to have to disagree with you there BoeingVista.
I agree on the cost structure.
But really, there has been a lot of slowdown's and delayed flights on the union front and well publicized.
There have been nothing coming out publicly over the last 2 years or so on the positive front between the QF management and work groups also well publicized.
Just in the last few days we have had a lock out also well publicized.
I do not have a dog in this fight but frankly when you have an airline or any company with as much bad press that has been coming out over the last few years, I personally would have concerns about scheduling a QF flight when there are other competitors in the same market. There have been many an airline that has failed over work group issues, it just looks like QF is headed towards that long list. Even if they do get things settled out QF will have to over come the bad press in a highly competitive market place. It will be a tough hill to climb to get market share.
ryu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 460 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 22978 times:
Quoting raaadek (Reply 12): Engine trouble has forced a Qantas flight from Singapore to London to divert to Dubai.
Pilots shut down the number four engine of the Airbus A380 about 90 minutes after takeoff, a Qantas spokeswoman told AAP.
If it happened just 90 minutes after takeoff, why proceed all the way to Dubai? Wouldn't it have been quicker to just return to SIN?
25 Zkpilot: This is a lighter than usual load, but at this time of year SIN-LHR does tend to have about 100 spare seats as it's summer in Oz and winter in the UK
27 Airvan00: In Summer, yes.. Especailly if there is any form of UK vs OZ sporting events on during the summer.
28 Baroque: Not spin and another engine problem for QF, spin????? More like lack of spin?
29 SKAirbus: If this had been any other aircraft or airline this would have been a non-story. It was a simple indicator warning and controlled shutdown. Not an unc
30 OLBA: did BBC News really have to put this story on their website?
31 BoeingVista: Sure disagree, you have a right to be wrong. From an article posted 07/11/2008 well before the union action began. https://blogs.monash.edu/travel/20
32 EK413: Thank-you for your defense... What spins me out would be the slow reaction to competition... Surely QF saw this coming years ago... 10 years ago perh
33 packersfan: All the more reason for the boofheads in the union to tread very quietly.
34 col: Sadly, you are actually showing why QF has problems, you want more spin. Spin is just wasting time and energy. It does not give answers to the future
35 BoeingVista: I think that anything involving A380's will be news for some time to come Well, the QF spokesperson mentioned oil pressure, it was the lack of oil pr
36 Baroque: No BV would never have made such a bad pun. Then again, if he HAD done it, he might have worded it so you realised that the reference to lack of spin
37 col: And all the time.. The "Get The Bums Unloaded from Seats" union, or abreviated to "Get The BUS".
38 Tsveto4nik: Again Qantas, again A380, again engine...
39 SKAirbus: This sounds a bit out there but I'm going to say it and risk being ridiculed. According to the BBC it is exactly one year since the QF32 incident. Wit
40 col: Why would an airline engineer risk people's lives!! Also, the QF birds are higher rated RR engines, so maybe that could be an issue. The Engines are
41 astuteman: And is quite likely to cause QF to be extremely cautious about oil warnings in engines, I would have thought... Presumably, once the offending engine
42 Baroque: Alas, could not be them must have been the "Get the Boing Union" run by a couple of guys from Melbourne I do believe! They are the higher rated engin
43 lightsaber: I'll be very curious as to the engine issue. Although it is only a report IFSD. Not ideal, but not what happened to that Pratt on the DL 744 either. T
44 flyhigh@tom: Recently one of my company's A320s diverted after an engine failure during cruise...another diverted due to cargo fire warning, 3 medical diversions,
45 Baroque: Hope not too. Even the QF version is not nearly as high a thrust as the T900 is supposed to go IIRC. Did not ??Jetmech or your good self tell us that
46 jpiddink: You'll have to admit that having Stephen Fry onboard, twittering out his own confusion does help a bit in getting this in the news though...
47 QFFlyer: This plane [didn't get rego] has just come out of A check, so the suspicion is that [this time] relates to checks done - unlike the last oil leaks af
48 nclmedic: He tweeted the letter he was given by QF on the ground in DXB. Apparently all passengers given it but can't seem to link picture via Twitter on here.
49 bastew: My friend is crew on the flight. They are stuck in the air side hotel at DXB due to a lack of accom in DXB with the public holidays. The crew need 20h
50 BA777: Probably a good decision to go to DXB, it's roughly on the great circle route, halfway along the way and if the problem happened 4 hours in, by the ti
51 keuleatr72: Am I mistaken or wasn´t VH-OQC in LH maintenance in FRA during the grounding of QF last week?
52 nclmedic: But seems like lengthy delay caused by having QF's own engineers flying out from Oz?
53 BA777: Fair point! Or you get RR engineers from the UK or SQ from SIN perhaps, for a nice price I'm sure
54 Baroque: So what does power by the hour include if it does not include a fix when you have an IFSD? I am lost over the issue of how engine maintenance for the
55 Airvan00: Yes you are. It was VH-OQE that was, and still is in FRA. The "C" checks usually take about 3 weeks.
56 tdscanuck: If you're dumping fuel, yes. It's not good for departing or arriving aircraft to fly through a fuel vapour cloud. You're assuming they don't happen t
57 Baroque: Thank for that tds. So we can assume that CASA will be looking at the relationship of the engine failures to who did the last inspection before they
58 lightsaber: I've noted in threads that SQ often diverts to DXB too... There seems to be the facilities needed for repairs. I do find it interesting that hotel sp
59 EPA001: You are correct, but this is the A380. Anything happening to the A380 will cause a thread to be opened and will be heavily debated. We will probably
60 bastew: A little update. The crew are still in the transit hotel and have been given no info. Oodles of pax milling about not been given any info either. Ther
61 packersfan: By the sound of the difficulties with sorting out 258 pax, perhaps it was a little lucky they weren't having to deal with a full load.
62 nutsaboutplanes: I have seen several different "power by the hour" agreements at a couple of different carriers.....they seem to differ dramatically. At a carrier whe
63 okie: The linked article indicates "low oil" or oil loss. While this could be something as simple as a loose fitting, part or bad sensor, the history has b
64 Baroque: Big question is "was this (or should this have been) evident at inspection in Singapore"? If CASA gives stats it may indicate why QF seems to be havi
65 BoeingVista: Qantas 747 engine failures raised at Senate inquiry From Ben Sandilands Plane Talking blog http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...failures-raised-at-s
67 bastew: The aircraft has now left DXB carrying only the crew and operating as a ferry flight. It is due into LHR at approx 13:15L
68 BoeingVista: Are you able to get any more information as to exactly what the problem was?
69 bastew: Actually in the end the QF31D also carried some pax. It has an ETA of 15:00 into LHR terminal 3. Boeingvista i'll certainly ask my mate when she is ba
70 par13del: So in a general sense that should mean that the engines and the OEM are not the problem, next we shoudl like at the carrier and those responsible for
71 Baroque: I guess I don't need to point out that it does not require many "WOOOPS" such as this one to make whatever it is they are doing more expensive than s
72 par13del: Nope, but unfortunately its not the way the bean counters work and how their numbers are used. Example, some airlines to reduce cost of fuel have a/c
73 BoeingVista: Problem reported on another website to be broken lock wire that allowed nut to unscrew and oil to drain, they refilled the oil replaced the wire and w
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