Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13753 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4168 times:
I don't think you can base a "safe" airline just on the number of crashes. But if I had to pick one straight from the air, Korean Air on fact comes to mind (although some may argue they have good inflight service), and Cubabna, solely because of it's horrible reputation. I'm not sure if they have crashed though
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
Korean Air and the word 'safety' don't seem to go hand-in-hand in most A.net users' minds. Despite having one of the youngest fleets of the region, KE seems to grace the headlines of major media outlets just as people forget about their past deeds. There are reports floating on the net criticizing KE's static pilot training and hostile cockpit culture- go read up on if you're interested.
Nevertheless, KE's recent efforts to overhaul its problems with men from abroad (ex Delta, US Air folks) bodes well for its future.
DTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4115 times:
Korean Air would seem to be the most unsafe based on their dodgy safety record, although there are a few eastern european airlines which, from experience, i can say are really unsafe.
As for experiencies, i was on a Virgin A340 G-VSKY (?) that landed at Heathrow in 1997 with the left main gear still up. I was sat near the back, and i had to help the f/a open door 4R after we landed. The door assist system had aparantly failed, and because we were pushing the door up-hill, it was very heavy. And, by the way, the escape slides are fun!
I was also on the bmi A321 that was involded with an airprox with a BA 744 at Heathrow in april 2000. I actually didn't realise i was on the A321 involved in the incident until the AAIB (like the NTSB) pusblised their report and the dates and times matched my flight. Scary.
Ariana727ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4072 times:
Pakistan International Airlines and Nepal's airlines come to mind when saying unsafe. Pakistan Intl. have been having too many incidents (one or two major one, the rest minors) lately while Nepal's airlines fly extremely dangerous, mind blowing destinations e.g. The notorious Lukla Air Strip. Man, that runway is slopped at an angle of more than 10 degress and is built on a mountain at about 10,000 feet. If the plane fails to take off, it will go spiralling down the valley. Look up Nepal in airliners.net database.
Once, in Saudi Airlines Airbus, we had to aboart the takeoff.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6311 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
Cubana dosen't have a very good reputation and yes Singapore_Air they have crashed and numerous times. The worst experience I can think off onboard an aircraft was on a AA A300 flying from MCO-SJU when the pilot announced that there was a storm in SJU and we had to divet to STX. Accompanied with this statement he mentioned that we were running out of fuel, everyone on the plane freaked out . Then there was this other time onboard an AA 727-200 flying from SJU-MCO were the wing got hit by a lightning.
L-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4017 times:
I would have to say airlines like Nigeria Airways and Air Afrique are up there in terms of maitenance policies. Korean Air is up there as well...they need some help.
As for me, I had a really freaky aborted landing with severe turbulence coming into PHX with HP a couple years back on an A320. Afterwards, the F/A said it was some of the worst turbulence she had ever seen. The pilot actually landed the plane with passengers in the lavatory vomiting. Airsickness bags were a common sight. Gross. Adding to that, I had 5 minutes to make my connection to MKE and I remember the joy of hearing final boarding for my flight as I ran through the terminal. I made it, right as the gate agent was finishing up; there was no one else at the gate. Good old HP....
Blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5496 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4007 times:
I agree with the above about KAL. Lately, I haven't seen Korean Air in the news so they could be improving.
I have had a few dangerous experiences. About 2-3 years ago we aborted takeoff at LGW due to an engine fire hose problem, I am not sure which engine this was, as it was an MD-11 I was on. We had not started our takeoff roll as we were still #3 or #4 in line. Several years ago we were coming in from DEN when there was severe weather around DFW and we were forced to circle Whichita Falls for about 30-45 min and it was pretty scary. Our pilot barely got us in to DFW as we were running out of fuel. I think the airport might have closed for about 30 minutes because in the back of the economy section(where we were) we were all joking around and singing a lambchop song! I also got to visit the cockpit too!
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1467 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
Unsafe Airlines in my oppinion are a lot airlines serving domestic routes in the ex-UDSSR and some african airlines. We only hear about crashs there if there are any pax from other countrys on board. Really don't want to know whats going on in some of these republics.
second point: Yes, I had an accident, but not in a Airliner, it was in a C172 during flight training in the USA.
I was in approach on St.Petersurgh int. wind was about 25 knots gusts up to 35 kn, after touchdown I got wind under the right wing, and so i drifted of the runway.
Godbless nothing damaged, I was OK, but I tell you, that's what I call an extraordinary experience!
Jetblast25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3982 times:
I fly alot in the former USSR/Central Asia and the national carriers, like Tajikistan Air, Kyrgyz and Turkmenistan (domestic) mainly use Yak-40's which, while they don't have a bad performance record (at least we're rarely told of incidents), don't exactly inspire confidence. On the other hand, Turkmenistan is replacing their Yak-40 fleet with 717's sometime later this year. Should that make me more comfortable? At least these pilots know how to fly and maintain the local equipment.
I must admit, I've never had a bad exp on any of these carriers. Although one time Uzbek Air BKK->TAS had oversold the flight and loaded the excess pax, about 10 Thai locals, into 1st class, 2 to a seat!
BHopsde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
Some of that may be true Airafrique, but Air Afrique does NOT have a good reputation and mostly airlines EARN their bad reputation. And saying that Air Afrique is the one who maintains AF planes in Dakar, Senegal doesn't surprise me! But I suppose one can't be so particular with commerce in West Africa. No offence, but I worked our FRA-FIH-ACC route and I thought I could not get out of there fast enough and told my supervisor that I would quit before I would do another route there! So, I work Germany-N.American routes, thank goodness!
Saxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
Its hard to mention an unsafe airline, but I did see a show the other day on the History Channel that showed each continents airline safety record. Among the bottom was Africa, and East Asia I believe. In the middle came Eastern Europe, South America and the rest of Asia, In the top came airlines in North America, Australia, Western Europe, and the Middle East. It also happen to mention Qantas as the "safest" airline becuase it has not had a single crash. I might have gotten some of the continents mixed up as I do not remember exactly.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
Koren air and the word safety look as comfortable as hitler and stalin sitting next to each other!!!
gulf air is another that springs to mind as being unsafe.
I must make a point about Africa and aviation for I see a very large dose of bias from an airliners member.
Africa is an unsafe place to fly planes, the reason is because a lot of african countries(especially around eithopia(sp)) do not have ATC.
Also in africa, as confirmed by a BCC investigation broadcasted on monday in the UK many airlines simply have to transmit their data on frequencies and hope other airlines are listerning.
The problem is that airlines operate different frequencies so it is a real stab in the dark to naviagte across sections of africa.
So until each country has a decent level of ATC service and coverage, im afraid that africa will be regarded as not the safest place to fly a bird.
Ps you may have a 'high' education requirement, most major airlines do, that doesnt mean to say you are the safest airline in the world.a master degree isnt the best, a lot of airlines have staff working for them who have two degrees.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
: Africa is a continent with more than 47 countries. It is not because few country does not have ATC it makes the whole continent as a dangereous place
: The old PAN AM comes to mind. The management that consisted of Tom Plasket and Martin Shugrue were cutting corners on security two years proir to PA 1
: well i saw the same show on tlc as someone mentioned earlier. there was a stat that you are 16 times more likely to die flying on an african airline t
: Forgot to add aother one TWA; Their treatment of Flt 800 families were no better than the the way PA treated us. Another thing of PA was that they had
: VirginA340... Pan Am 103 happened when you were something like nine years old. I think you're perceptions are jaded my youth. You seem to be a fanatic
: Hello there, The Lukla Strip is basically located just a short hop away from Mount Everest and is used for carrying tourists to see Mt. Everest and fo
: No, it's just that you relate every post to PanAm 103. Man, get over it. Plenty of folks lost people a lot closer than some childhood pal. You make it
: VirginA340: I know neither you nor Greg but I feel compelled to comment that your last post sticks out there as vaguely ridiculous. You really ought t
: No offense, VirginA340, but Greg never really insulted you in anyway whatsoever. He just said your perceptions may have been jaded by youth, which cer
: Unsafe Airline - Aeroflot, *now before everyone jumps down my throught, i know that they have had a name change and all and there are were many airlin
: Ok, Airafrique...I did not say that Accra was in any other country than what it actually is! I am NOT saying that the African CONTINENT is the pit of
: As a general rule, the airlines in North America and Western Europe can be considered the safest for several reasons. First off the regulations placed
: Exactly Srbmod, that's why LH has, in the past, made modifications to schedules, because of these reasons, once an area cannot support a safe operatio
: Since We Are Talking About Unsafe Airlines Anybody Know How AA,UL,DL, And Co Rate?
: MANY SAY QANTAS ARE THE SAFEST AIRLINE AROUND AS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A MAJOR INCIDENT. I WAS FLYING WITH MONARCH AIRLINES A FEW YEARS BACK FROM GLASGO
: actually a Qantas 747 ran off the runway and had it totally rebuilt at an expensive cost so they could say they never had to write off a plane.
: Qantas also had one Lockheed L-1049 VH-EAC destroyed when it overran the runway in August 1960. Six people were injured. Wasilenko