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Unsafe Airlines And Bad Experiences........  
User currently offlineAirliners From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 56 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Hi, I have 2 questions where id like to know the answers to.

1) What do you think is the most unsafe airline? Eg - the one with the most crashes. I don't think you can have the most safe airline - so I will leave that out unless you have any suggestions?

2) Has anyone ever had any bad experiences while flying? - Had to do an emergency landing - aborted take off etc?

Let me know,


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

I don't think you can base a "safe" airline just on the number of crashes. But if I had to pick one straight from the air, Korean Air on fact comes to mind (although some may argue they have good inflight service), and Cubabna, solely because of it's horrible reputation. I'm not sure if they have crashed though

No, I have not been involved in emergencies.

Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Korean Air and the word 'safety' don't seem to go hand-in-hand in most A.net users' minds. Despite having one of the youngest fleets of the region, KE seems to grace the headlines of major media outlets just as people forget about their past deeds. There are reports floating on the net criticizing KE's static pilot training and hostile cockpit culture- go read up on if you're interested.
Nevertheless, KE's recent efforts to overhaul its problems with men from abroad (ex Delta, US Air folks) bodes well for its future.

User currently offlineDTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Korean Air would seem to be the most unsafe based on their dodgy safety record, although there are a few eastern european airlines which, from experience, i can say are really unsafe.

As for experiencies, i was on a Virgin A340 G-VSKY (?) that landed at Heathrow in 1997 with the left main gear still up. I was sat near the back, and i had to help the f/a open door 4R after we landed. The door assist system had aparantly failed, and because we were pushing the door up-hill, it was very heavy. And, by the way, the escape slides are fun!

I was also on the bmi A321 that was involded with an airprox with a BA 744 at Heathrow in april 2000. I actually didn't realise i was on the A321 involved in the incident until the AAIB (like the NTSB) pusblised their report and the dates and times matched my flight. Scary.

User currently offlineAriana727ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Pakistan International Airlines and Nepal's airlines come to mind when saying unsafe. Pakistan Intl. have been having too many incidents (one or two major one, the rest minors) lately while Nepal's airlines fly extremely dangerous, mind blowing destinations e.g. The notorious Lukla Air Strip. Man, that runway is slopped at an angle of more than 10 degress and is built on a mountain at about 10,000 feet. If the plane fails to take off, it will go spiralling down the valley. Look up Nepal in airliners.net database.

Once, in Saudi Airlines Airbus, we had to aboart the takeoff.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Cubana dosen't have a very good reputation and yes Singapore_Air they have crashed and numerous times. The worst experience I can think off onboard an aircraft was on a AA A300 flying from MCO-SJU when the pilot announced that there was a storm in SJU and we had to divet to STX. Accompanied with this statement he mentioned that we were running out of fuel, everyone on the plane freaked out . Then there was this other time onboard an AA 727-200 flying from SJU-MCO were the wing got hit by a lightning.
Puerto Rico

Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Well I've never flown them, but I've heard bad things about China Airlines being unsafe.

No, I've never had a bad experience with a plane and I hope and pray to God that I don't when I fly to New Orleans next month.

User currently offlineIronminds From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I flew Cubana once NAS-Havana-NAS; we made it, but I never felt so un-confident about getting on a plane. The entire interior felt like it was held together with duct tape!

User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

I would have to say airlines like Nigeria Airways and Air Afrique are up there in terms of maitenance policies. Korean Air is up there as well...they need some help.

As for me, I had a really freaky aborted landing with severe turbulence coming into PHX with HP a couple years back on an A320. Afterwards, the F/A said it was some of the worst turbulence she had ever seen. The pilot actually landed the plane with passengers in the lavatory vomiting. Airsickness bags were a common sight. Gross. Adding to that, I had 5 minutes to make my connection to MKE and I remember the joy of hearing final boarding for my flight as I ran through the terminal. I made it, right as the gate agent was finishing up; there was no one else at the gate. Good old HP....


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

I agree with the above about KAL. Lately, I haven't seen Korean Air in the news so they could be improving.

I have had a few dangerous experiences. About 2-3 years ago we aborted takeoff at LGW due to an engine fire hose problem, I am not sure which engine this was, as it was an MD-11 I was on. We had not started our takeoff roll as we were still #3 or #4 in line. Several years ago we were coming in from DEN when there was severe weather around DFW and we were forced to circle Whichita Falls for about 30-45 min and it was pretty scary. Our pilot barely got us in to DFW as we were running out of fuel. I think the airport might have closed for about 30 minutes because in the back of the economy section(where we were) we were all joking around and singing a lambchop song! I also got to visit the cockpit too!

Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Unsafe Airlines in my oppinion are a lot airlines serving domestic routes in the ex-UDSSR and some african airlines. We only hear about crashs there if there are any pax from other countrys on board. Really don't want to know whats going on in some of these republics.

second point: Yes, I had an accident, but not in a Airliner, it was in a C172 during flight training in the USA.
I was in approach on St.Petersurgh int. wind was about 25 knots gusts up to 35 kn, after touchdown I got wind under the right wing, and so i drifted of the runway.
Godbless nothing damaged, I was OK, but I tell you, that's what I call an extraordinary experience!

User currently offlineJetblast25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

I fly alot in the former USSR/Central Asia and the national carriers, like Tajikistan Air, Kyrgyz and Turkmenistan (domestic) mainly use Yak-40's which, while they don't have a bad performance record (at least we're rarely told of incidents), don't exactly inspire confidence. On the other hand, Turkmenistan is replacing their Yak-40 fleet with 717's sometime later this year. Should that make me more comfortable? At least these pilots know how to fly and maintain the local equipment.

I must admit, I've never had a bad exp on any of these carriers. Although one time Uzbek Air BKK->TAS had oversold the flight and loaded the excess pax, about 10 Thai locals, into 1st class, 2 to a seat!

User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

I'd like to learn more about the Lukla Air Strip you mentioned. How long is it?, what kind of aircraft are used?

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

I have read about it in a magazine. The plane lands going uphill and takes off downhill. I believe that Royal Nepal Airways exclusively uses the Twin Otter to Lukla.

User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES is by far the SAFEST airline in the U.S of A

User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Southeast Airlines is unsafe. They were shutdown I hear so they could be inspected. Dont fly with those idiots.

Southwest is the safest, but not my favorite.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

I had an aborted takeoff on an OA 737-200 flight from IST-ATH.

I don't know about their record but OA didn't feel safe at all on any of the 4 flights I have had on them (732s and A300s)

User currently offlineBHopsde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Was the aborted take-off a mistake by HP? I'm tired of people judging an airline by "severe turbulence" or bad weather...that's out of their control! It's just ignorance.

User currently offlineAirafrique From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

L-1011-500 said:

"I would have to say airlines like Nigeria Airways and Air Afrique are up there in terms of maitenance policies. Korean Air is up there as well...they need some help. "

For your information L-1011-500 that the Air Afrique Technical support who take care of Air France planes in Dakar Senegal.
Saying air afrique does not have a good maintenance policy is a not true.

We have the best pilote and mechanical plane in the world. You must have a master degree in science to work at Air Afrique.

And the selection is very very difficult.

User currently offlineBHopsde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Some of that may be true Airafrique, but Air Afrique does NOT have a good reputation and mostly airlines EARN their bad reputation. And saying that Air Afrique is the one who maintains AF planes in Dakar, Senegal doesn't surprise me! But I suppose one can't be so particular with commerce in West Africa. No offence, but I worked our FRA-FIH-ACC route and I thought I could not get out of there fast enough and told my supervisor that I would quit before I would do another route there! So, I work Germany-N.American routes, thank goodness!

User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Its hard to mention an unsafe airline, but I did see a show the other day on the History Channel that showed each continents airline safety record. Among the bottom was Africa, and East Asia I believe. In the middle came Eastern Europe, South America and the rest of Asia, In the top came airlines in North America, Australia, Western Europe, and the Middle East. It also happen to mention Qantas as the "safest" airline becuase it has not had a single crash. I might have gotten some of the continents mixed up as I do not remember exactly.

Ride Amtrak!
User currently offlineAirafrique From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

BHopsde we are talking about safety. And Air Afrique has a Very good safety Record.( Did you ever have a new of a Air Afrique plane crash? )

You travelled to Accra. Ghana is not member of Air Afrique.

Air Afrique may have a bad reputation in flight arriving late of flight cancelation.

But we are a Safe company.

and for your information Air Afrique has two maintenance center:

Dakar rated A by FAAA
Abidjan rated B by FAAA

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Korean Air with the youngest fleet and bad safety record... No surprise.

Korean Air never throws a brand-new planes like B747-400 or A330. Only one exception was MD-11F crash at Shanghai.

Korean Air got help from Skyteam members and hired ex-Delta expert. What will it do?

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4168 times:

Dataman, actually KAL had a 747-400 written off.

Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4159 times:

Koren air and the word safety look as comfortable as hitler and stalin sitting next to each other!!!

gulf air is another that springs to mind as being unsafe.

I must make a point about Africa and aviation for I see a very large dose of bias from an airliners member.
Africa is an unsafe place to fly planes, the reason is because a lot of african countries(especially around eithopia(sp)) do not have ATC.

Also in africa, as confirmed by a BCC investigation broadcasted on monday in the UK many airlines simply have to transmit their data on frequencies and hope other airlines are listerning.

The problem is that airlines operate different frequencies so it is a real stab in the dark to naviagte across sections of africa.

So until each country has a decent level of ATC service and coverage, im afraid that africa will be regarded as not the safest place to fly a bird.

Ps you may have a 'high' education requirement, most major airlines do, that doesnt mean to say you are the safest airline in the world.a master degree isnt the best, a lot of airlines have staff working for them who have two degrees.

It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
25 Post contains images Airafrique : Africa is a continent with more than 47 countries. It is not because few country does not have ATC it makes the whole continent as a dangereous place
26 VirginA340 : The old PAN AM comes to mind. The management that consisted of Tom Plasket and Martin Shugrue were cutting corners on security two years proir to PA 1
27 Milldoh : well i saw the same show on tlc as someone mentioned earlier. there was a stat that you are 16 times more likely to die flying on an african airline t
28 VirginA340 : Forgot to add aother one TWA; Their treatment of Flt 800 families were no better than the the way PA treated us. Another thing of PA was that they had
29 Greg : VirginA340... Pan Am 103 happened when you were something like nine years old. I think you're perceptions are jaded my youth. You seem to be a fanatic
30 Ariana727ADV : Hello there, The Lukla Strip is basically located just a short hop away from Mount Everest and is used for carrying tourists to see Mt. Everest and fo
31 Greg : No, it's just that you relate every post to PanAm 103. Man, get over it. Plenty of folks lost people a lot closer than some childhood pal. You make it
32 TxAgKuwait : VirginA340: I know neither you nor Greg but I feel compelled to comment that your last post sticks out there as vaguely ridiculous. You really ought t
33 Us330 : No offense, VirginA340, but Greg never really insulted you in anyway whatsoever. He just said your perceptions may have been jaded by youth, which cer
34 Brenjoro_QF : Unsafe Airline - Aeroflot, *now before everyone jumps down my throught, i know that they have had a name change and all and there are were many airlin
35 BHopsde : Ok, Airafrique...I did not say that Accra was in any other country than what it actually is! I am NOT saying that the African CONTINENT is the pit of
36 Srbmod : As a general rule, the airlines in North America and Western Europe can be considered the safest for several reasons. First off the regulations placed
37 BHopsde : Exactly Srbmod, that's why LH has, in the past, made modifications to schedules, because of these reasons, once an area cannot support a safe operatio
38 Oldelwood : Since We Are Talking About Unsafe Airlines Anybody Know How AA,UL,DL, And Co Rate?
40 Soku39 : actually a Qantas 747 ran off the runway and had it totally rebuilt at an expensive cost so they could say they never had to write off a plane.
41 Wasilenko : Qantas also had one Lockheed L-1049 VH-EAC destroyed when it overran the runway in August 1960. Six people were injured. Wasilenko
42 AA61hvy : Air India
43 BHopsde : anything gotta do with airlines in India is questionable except they have good food and incense sticks and they have those funny red dots on their for
44 Milemaster : VirginA340 - Let me just say this... One of the two individuals you mentioned at PA happens to be my father... You need to watch what you say on this
45 Indianguy : Incense sticks? inside an aircraft? Puhleeze! Bhopsde: U sure have some WIERD ideas about India and indians. (read your other post about India). Snap
46 VirginA340 : I know about the security contractor called Alert. That company was oversawn by PA management. Why don't you watch out on what you say. I hate that en
47 Post contains images Notar520AC : Well, I'd have to say America West isn't the safest airline I've flown- they make some real crushers of landings when I flew into Ft. Lauderdale. I as
48 Milemaster : VirginA340 - I'm not here to argue or debate with you. I'm simply stating that your message was directed at two individuals, and that's not right. I'm
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