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LH 748i, First Destination?  
User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 872 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21118 times:

Has the first destination for the B748i have been announced yet? From what I head, IAD will be first in March. But I had not seen anything out there about it? Looking at a previous locked thread, it seems that what I had heard would confirm speculations of A.netters as IAD being first. Anyone with more info on this?

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21003 times:

I'm guessing FRA-DEN. Both airports are ready (and waiting) for this bird.  

[Edited 2011-11-04 19:26:48]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20701 times:

I'd guess IAD or ORD. Either way I think it's going to come to the US, which would make sense if it were IAD or ORD given the *A hubs, strong relationship with UA, and that the 380 hasn't been deployed on these routes. I'd think that DEN, LAX, and IAH could be possibilities down the line as well.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20569 times:

Some where premium heavy since it has a large business cabin with fully flat seats.

[Edited 2011-11-04 20:56:21]


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5143 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20172 times:

I'm gonna say IAH.


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19952 times:
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Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
Has the first destination for the B748i have been announced yet?

No. I heard GRU, IAH as the first destinations. But as the airplane is still couple of months away from being delivered, we have to be patient.

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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12396 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19831 times:

I always thought India would be among the first destinations; since the A380 won't be flying to India, the 748's extra capacity would give it an advantage there.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19780 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
I always thought India would be among the first destinations; since the A380 won't be flying to India, the 748's extra capacity would give it an advantage there.

It is on the list as well. But as the Indian market is rather difficult at times, they'll need it somewhere else first. And GRU and IAH are very high on that list.

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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19110 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 5):
No. I heard GRU, IAH as the first destinations. But as the airplane is still couple of months away from being delivered, we have to be patient.

wilco737

Sounds reasonable, but GRU cannot be done daily with just one airframe. Can IAH? If it can, then I would expect to see IAH first, otherwise GRU 3x weekly to start with (like JNB started on the A380).



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18185 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 8):
but GRU cannot be done daily with just one airframe.

Correct.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 8):
Can IAH?

Well, the flight to IAH leaves at 10:25am in FRA and gets back to FRA at 8:55am. So that would give you 1.5 hours of ground time if you only use one frame which is rather tight, especially if you have to do the regular checks...

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User currently offlineLHPII From Croatia, joined May 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18157 times:

The first two destinations will be HKG and EZE, the third one a US city.......heard it through the grapevine.  

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18121 times:
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Quoting LHPII (Reply 10):
heard it through the grapevine.  

Yeah, we all hear things... I heard that it will be GRU and IAH  

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User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17809 times:

I heard , off the record, it will be most probably MEX... By the way, the MUC flight is NOT 100% confirmed, though it appears already in system and is bookable

Rgds

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17807 times:
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Quoting SQ773 (Reply 12):

I heard , off the record, it will be most probably MEX...

That's the problem: we all heard things "off the record" as there is no record yet and no confirmed route. LH is sending out their guys checking and calculating which airport works fine with the 748i...

The delivery date is still 2+ months from now....

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

I'm gonna throw in FRA-EWR after DEN. Nobody's mentioned them yet. I know that LH has its A380s going to JFK, but could EWR be a station for the 748s?

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17621 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
I know that LH has its A380s going to JFK, but could EWR be a station for the 748s?

During winter both JFK flights are 346 and end of march 346 and 744 are planned on the JFK route to keep the 380 on the SIN run...

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9096 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17587 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 13):

The delivery date is still 2+ months from now....

which brings up the question, which will be the first German airport? It used to be HAM but the last delivery of a 744 is so long ago I really can't remember if they went to HAM or FRA. What I still do remember was the delivery of the world's (and of course Lufthansa's) first 747F which landed at HAM with a full load of Washington State apples. All customers got a case or more and the apples tasted delicious. But I think at least all pax -100 and -200s went to HAM first for interior fitting.

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17570 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
which will be the first German airport?

I guess it will be FRA. But of course I don't know yet. Somehow I have the feeling that the guys who pick up the new toy want to fly into FRA  

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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17406 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
I'm gonna throw in FRA-EWR after DEN. Nobody's mentioned them yet. I know that LH has its A380s going to JFK, but could EWR be a station for the 748s?

Actually, the JFK flights (LH400/LH401 and LH404/LH405) are currently operated by two A346s this winter. At the moment, they are both scheduled on B744s in the summer.

Maybe the B748 will end up going to JFK. The flight is fairly short and leaves plenty of time on the ground at both ends to get used to the new aircraft. Then again, that's the argument that had a lot of people thinking that FRA-JFK would be the first A380 route for LH, and we all know what became of that.

By the way, the early EWR flight (LH402) is scheduled with a B744 both this winter and next summer. The second FRA-EWR flight (LH484/LH485, currently an A343) is scheduled on an A346 in the summer.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17384 times:

You're all wrong...it's being put on the twice daily Dusseldorf-Newcastle run that is currently operated by CR9s  


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16631 times:

The 748-i is not a new aircraft type. It is a 747-400 only bigger.
That it has a more advanced flight deck such as the 787 I am not able to tell.

Will they have an inaugural flight for the 748i to a different place than the first destination, maybe?

Thinking ANA. 787 inaugural went to HKG while first international flight will go to Frankfurt.

Will the 748i inaugural flight be sold/auctioned for charity? Will it be private or accessible to the general public?

    



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7965 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

I wonder has LH thought about using the 747-8i on the FRA-SFO route during the winter? FRA-SFO is very popular, hence the reason why LH used the A380 on this route during the summer.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16209 times:
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Quoting RayChuang (Reply 21):
I wonder has LH thought about using the 747-8i on the FRA-SFO route during the winter? FRA-SFO is very popular, hence the reason why LH used the A380 on this route during the summer.

Because the loads in winter are far less than in the summer and even the 744 is not always full during winter time. So no need for additional seats with the 748i.

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7965 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16114 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 22):
Because the loads in winter are far less than in the summer and even the 744 is not always full during winter time. So no need for additional seats with the 748i.

In that case, we'll probably not see the 747-8i at SFO. Has LH ever used the A340-600 on the FRA-SFO route during the winter months?


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16089 times:
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Quoting RayChuang (Reply 23):
Has LH ever used the A340-600 on the FRA-SFO route during the winter months?

AFAIK the 744 has been on that route for a long time until the 380 came. Loads during summer are good, so the 380 makes good money there.

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25 Post contains images GVAJFKflyer : Very slightly off topic, what is the delivery calendar?
26 fpetrutiu : From what I am hearing, the first delivery will be in March...
27 something : Maybe the fact that SQ is using their A380 on FRA-JFK-FRA has something to do with it as well. And I heard the idea is to put the 748 on business des
28 StressedOut : I just wish I knew when it is coming to Denver. I am looking forward to a trip over the pond on it.
29 flyingalex : Makes sense, since those would be the markets in which LH could monetise the new full-flat Business class that is supposed to come online with the B7
30 Post contains images wilco737 : KIX has just been upgraded to 744 in winter. So looks like there is more demand than expected. And the 744s are all 3 class configuration. wilco737
31 VC10er : I think it should be their return to GIG. (or have they started?) It was the Hindenburg's first big destination (please NO jokes about the ultimate fa
32 N104UA : When LH ordered the 748i they informed DEN that they intended to fly it there and DEN would need to move the road behind concourse A so it could fit.
33 VC10er : Really! How many meters longer is it? I seem to recall about 10? Is there that much demand from Denver?
34 Semaex : Wow I've not been to FRA in a long time if that is true. SQ is using the A380 on the SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN run now? Is that a ready-to-go for line trai
35 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : That was the only 747 freighter for over 2 years. LH took delivery of it in March 1972. The next pure freighter wasn't delivered until July 1974 (to
36 Post contains links and images point2point : Don't know the source, but I thought it was just doing some painting. And if there is a road that needed to be moved, has it been done yet, would you
37 flyingalex : Yes, they started this week, with the switchover to the winter schedule 2011/2012. They are using A343s for now. Yes, 4x/week on an A332. They will s
38 PanHAM : I was transferred by my company to NY in June 72, just in time to witness the official inaugural flight FRA-JFK in June or July 72. Had an invitation
39 LH422 : LH actually started their first A380 D-AIMA 3x weekly to NRT. Especially with their first few frames they were being very conservative. This was diff
40 something : ICN produces insane growths numbers. Nippon used to be ishi ban (number one), but is losing more and more dominance to South Korea. ICN will not be s
41 Lufthansa : You forgot about Finnair!
42 Semaex : How long is it expected for each frame to get outfitting in HAM? Or in other words, how long is it estimated to take between Boeing delivery and comm
43 flyingalex : Air France and Alitalia too... I know that NRT was LH's first A380 route, but I mentioned FRA-JNB-FRA because in terms of the schedule, it resembles
44 PanHAM : so it is like int he old days, they go SEA-HAM for the interior fitting. good.
45 Post contains images KLAXAirport : Is LAX in question for LH's 748i? Cheers KLAXAirport
46 something : I don't know what exactly will be done, but for reference an A380 needs about 6 months, a private, customized jet 12-14 months. The 744s that got the
47 N104UA : It is just changing the painting of the 'road' and I do not know if it has been done yet
48 Post contains images point2point : Okay, and I guess that it's good that it's not a major project. I 'm also pretty certain (though not 100%) that somewhere I read that this was done,
49 Post contains links and images flyingalex : View Large View MediumPhoto © Mario Aurich - AirTeamImagesView Large View MediumPhoto © Andy Egloff The three easiest ways to know which is which: 1
50 Post contains images Aleksandar : Belgrade and Zagreb, my wishful thinking Will you fly with that Boeing soon?
51 SKAirbus : Will MUC see any 748s or even 744s on a regular basis? Munich is a much more user-friendly airport than FRA is so many ways and if given the choice be
52 bavair : Plans have been put into place that the entire LH A346 fleet is to move to MUC. However no details regarding any larger equipment can be found anywhe
53 Post contains images wilco737 : Yes. RUmous say that some routes will be flown out of MUC with 744. But as said by others, many many plans, but nothing confirmed. wilco737
54 renatoserra : GRU makes no sense to me since the 748 will be filled with premium seats and Brazil is more of an Economic Class country and like said before on this
55 Post contains images wilco737 : But currently on #1 of the LH list... Have been told that from several different sources... So get your ticket ready Actually the A380 was planned th
56 renatoserra : The A380 is not possible at GRU. They planned to open an area now used by old planes from bankrupt companies to place a remote position for the A380 t
57 Post contains images wilco737 : That's why the 748i is very high on the list for GRU as the 380 is not possible there wilco737
58 renatoserra : Then I would make it a 4 classes aircraft with lots of economic and premium economic class seats. I beleive its doable 4x a week. Lots of airlines don
59 flyingalex : I have to disagree with this. FRA-GRU is always operated on a B744 with 80 Business Class seats (configured F8/C80/Y234), even though LH also has 744
60 point2point : Thanks for this, it's much appreciated. Now I don't have to do a lot of studying of the two to know this. I think that the two windows in the back of
61 columba : Another question what names will the 747-8I carry ? Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich are now used on the A380. Any idea ?
62 flyingalex : Berlin is not an A380 yet, but there is a B744 that bears the name. It's a good question what names could be used for this fleet of twenty aircraft.
63 PanHAM : Duesseldorf should be an A380 name (744 now) since DUS is a diversion airport for the 380. There are a lot of cities, like Woilfsburg, dresden, Muehl
64 columba : Could be, I guess the A380 will only be named after larger cities as the A380 is the only aircraft that carries the name of foreign cities (apart of
65 flyiguy : Talking with MWAA airport ops they have been told that the 747-8 will be starting scheduled FRA to IAD service in March. Just my 0.02
66 Post contains links LH422 : But the next A380 D-AIMI will take that name away from the B744: http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...2011/november/10/article/2027.html
67 Post contains images wilco737 : Awesome... This is so bad to take names away from airplanes... All for the A380... wilco737
68 flyingalex : I know, but I was thinking outside the box. LH may have to do the same, most of the largest German cities are already being used on the B744, A340 or
69 renatoserra : I just read on a brazilian aviation magazine website that GIG will soon begin preparations to receive the A380 such as 60m width on the longest runway
70 Post contains images Semaex : Is that a tiny little hint on how much you love the big bird? You have a point here. At first I thought that giving the A380s foreign city names was
71 Post contains images wilco737 : Nothing to do if I like the 380 or not. If you ask people from the sea and ask them how they would feel if the christened name is taken away from a c
72 Avianca : hmm regarding CCS not true, CCS-FRA is for sure one of the flights in the LH Cargo network with the lowest loadfactor on Cargo...
73 abrelosojos : From "my sources", GRU-DEL-ORD-IAH-SIN. Saludos, A.
74 flyingalex : That's a really good idea. Or something like it: "mountain" ranges. Hunsrück Spessart Taunus Erzgebirge etc.
75 airbazar : Is LH's first delivery for more than 1 748i? If not that rules out a lot of the destinations being discussed here and we're left with DEL, IAD, ORD, N
76 flyingalex : The first delivery is just one aircraft, but that in no way rules out any route that requires more than one aircraft per day. There's nothing that sa
77 Semaex : SIN is on A380 now and in the future, that's something I'm fairly certain won't change too fast.
78 Post contains images renatoserra : After all the posts I guess I will vote (and hope) it will be GRU.
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