WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2141 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5930 times:
In the Winter, 1983 issue of The Captain's Log, TWA historian Jon Proctor wrote a history of the airline's 707 fleet. He says:
"When I came to work for TWA in 1964 (as a transportation agent in Los Angeles), we had one of the world's largest 707 fleets, and were adding more all the time. The model -131B had a seating configuration of 38 first class (including four in the lounge) and 83 coach, And the super long range model -331B had joined the fleet, flying non stop from Los Angeles to Paris, once a week. Polar Flight 860 was THE premier departure, operating only during the summer months. You could always identify the polar flight as it taxied out simply by the low droop of its wings. Its takeoff roll often exceeded a full minute, and could be quite a thrill for passengers and crew alike."
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7855 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5765 times:
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 1): According to that they DID fly SFO-LHR nonstop, but it doesn't say aircraft type. Also in that same timetable it shows they flew LAX-LHR nonstop but again - no aircraft type listed.
EDIT - Upon further inspection, it seems TWA clearly labeled their 747 flights and the SFO-LHR nonstop doesn't show that. Which would lead me to guess it was, indeed, operated with a 707.
The LAX - LHR flights is a 747 in the April 1, 1972 timetable. TWA also flew SF0- LHR 3 times weekly. The rest of the TWA schedule was the same until 1991 that they sold the route to AA. BOS, ORD, LAX & JFK were the cities flown to LHR in 1972.
timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5301 times:
As we all know, PA tried California-London with the 707-321; on one occasion they did LHR-LAX nonstop. (Dunno if that was the only time.) Turns out TWA didn't wait for turbofans either-- they started LAX-ORY in 1961. Never seen any figures how often they made it nonstop.
Timetableimages.com has an 8/62 TWA timetable-- don't recall if they had any -331Bs by then.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11909 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4853 times:
Wasn't the B-707-321B the premier long ranged airccraft in 1972, its 6600 nm range exceeding that of the B-747-100/-200 (until the -200B came along), DC-8-61/-63, DC-10-30/-40, and L-1011-1/-200/-250 (all in the 5000 mn to 6000 nm range) in the late 1960s and early 1970s? I thought the only other long range airplane that could compete with the B-707-321B was the DC-8-62. I went to 'Nam on a TW B-707-321B, refueling stops in HNL and Guam on one trip, I came back from that trip on a UA DC-8-61, with refueling stops in the Philippines, Guam, Wake, and Hawaii before reaching California.
ss278 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
Yes, they did fly LAX-LHR Flight 760 on a daily basis for many years with a 707-321B (I took it several times) and LAX-ORY/CDG Flight 860 on a seasonal basis in the 60's, also with a 707. There were also seasonal flight from SFO-LHR as well.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2817 times:
I would imagine they would have had to. i'm almost positive that the 707-300 was capable of flying LAX-LHR nonstop. And I don't see how they could have maintained the route in the 1960s....the Constellation would have been an extremely unattractive option to many passengers at a time when pure jets dominated the skies. I know that the Starliner did fly those routes briefly, but I would imagine with Howard Hughes' departure the 707s quickly took over the role. They didn't receive their first Boeing 747 until early 1970, and their last Constellation was retired in 1967. There is no mention in their history of them having to suspend nonstop service from the West Coast as a result of this. As far as I know, the 707-300s performed the primary trans-atlantic operations until the 747s and L-1011s came into service.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2141 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
Quoting Thrust (Reply 11): As far as I know, the 707-300s performed the primary trans-atlantic operations until the 747s and L-1011s came into service.
Between the removal of the Constellations from scheduled transatlantic service in 1961, and the introduction of 747s onto transatlantic service in Mar 1970, ALL scheduled transatlantic flights were with 707-331 / 331B / 331C equipment, except for the summer of 1967, when two 707-131Bs were temporarily converted to overwater aircraft, and used on BOS-SNN/LHR and JFK-SNN / LHR.
TWA to my knowledge didn't introduce jets into service until 1959, and even if they did in 1958, they operated a sole 707-100 for several months due to massive order backlogs due to Howard Hughes' extensive mismanagement of TWA. TWA had problems getting its 707s and Convair 880's firmly established and delivered until Hughes was ousted from TWA altogether. I believe that TWA was the third airline to start service with the Boeing 707 behind Pan Am and American. National I think it was, if I recall, scooped rivals Eastern and Delta by leasing a Pan Am 707 (no repainting) in 1958 too, if you want to count that.
N790TW was written off in a collision with an Israeli Air Force B377 Stratocruiser at TLV in 1970. The B377 was towed across the active runway as the TW 707 (operating as a freighter) was taking off. The 3 TW crew survived. Two others were killed, presumably on the other aircraft. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19701130-0
As a sidenote, Pan Am also operated 6 707-331s built for TWA but not taken up and delivered new to Pan Am in 1959/60. They were registered N701PA through N706PA. Three of those aircraft below.