Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 749 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6677 times:
Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 233):
Taking off on a runway contaminated with ice and snow might do it. Our procedure calls for cycling the gear one time after take off to ensure no ice or snow has been lodged in the gear mechanisms.
You do that after every takeoff from a contaminated runway?
Yes - to prevent the gear from freezing in the wheel wells.
Is it a case of replacing the skin panels or is the underlying structure destroyed.
To me, it looks that the structure has been distorted.
Belly skins, along with the stringers and frames are routinely replaced. Most of the time replacement is due to corrosion but the procedure for this type of damage is exactly the same.
The picture does not show the skin around the aft pressure bulkhead, but if there is similar there, I would expect to see the bulkhead damaged also.
Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1677 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6326 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 4): But all the damage shown so far is repairable!
Totally.The pressure bulkhead can be repaired too, takes some more time and "hard" work but not a big deal either.
However the damage showed until now in all the pictures is in the belly / fuselage, and I think the inspection of the engine pylons and adjacent wing structures is more important, that part of the aircraft received unusual forces in this accident and should be carefully inspected before any decision about the future of this bird. If the wings requires repairs, plus the new engines, plus the fuselage repairs.... maybe the bill is too high and the insurance company simply W/Off the frame.
Let's see...
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6242 times:
Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5): think the inspection of the engine pylons and adjacent wing structures is more important,
While I have no experience with Boeing products, people keep telling me, their pylons are equipped with shear pins, which allows the pylon and engine to depart the aircraft if they are over loaded. They say this design prevents damage to the wing front spar and web thus preventing fuel leaks.
If true then I can only assume that the load required to shear the pins was not exceeded and the wing and pylon structure should be in satisfactory condition.
Is it a case of replacing the skin panels or is the underlying structure destroyed.
To me, it looks that the structure has been distorted.
According to the google translation, the airline wants the aircraft back to service soon (.. in one month) ! Cheers to them for having a positive attitude, and the damage to the belly fuselage and wing doesn't look really that bad - but of course the investigation phase is just beginning.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12337 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5232 times:
Due to the significant damage, will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?
Would Boeing be involved with their own employees to do the repairs and if can be repaired, will it be done at WAW or patched up and flown unpressurized to another location (like to LH's main shops) ?
sfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
I am sure everything could be repaired, it's more a case of, is it worth it? Not only is there several belly skins to replace, but stringers, circumpherencials, etc. Pylon mounts too. Although there are fuse pins to allow pylons to break free, this landing put unusuall compression forces on them, I would think. Don't think you'll see it in a month, whatever they decide.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4072 times:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8): Due to the significant damage, will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?
Would Boeing be involved with their own employees to do the repairs and if can be repaired, will it be done at WAW or patched up and flown unpressurized to another location (like to LH's main shops) ?
Boeing has representatives stationed at most large airports around the world. One of these representatives will be dispatched to assist LOT in assessing the damage. Additional specialists can be dispatch from the Seattle if required.
As for repair, Boeing can bid on the repair, but they will have to compete with any number of repair facilities and teams.
Unpressurized ferry flight to a repair facility could be carried out depending on the out come of a detailed inspection and replacing the engines.
Boeing will have to supply the skins because some are double compound skins that cannot be produced without a large stretch forming machine.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4001 times:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8): will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?
Besides the normal on-site reps, a special evaluation and repair planning team from Boeing was sent to WAW and arrived before the aircraft was moved.
Which is SOP for major manufacturers in such situations.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 11): Which is SOP for major manufacturers in such situations.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
ORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3833 times:
A few days late on this topic, but this is unbelievable to me -- how weird to watch those videos!! And am surprised that the scraping sound on the tarmac was not that loud/horrible?!?!
Anyway, hats off to Captain Wrona for an incredibly skillful landing!!!
Seems like many folks on here are convinced this bird will fly again. I am not so sure, but needless to say, would prefer not too if given the choice.
LO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
Quoting ORDFan (Reply 14): Anyway, hats off to Captain Wrona for an incredibly skillful landing!!!
I am just amazed, I flew with the same captain on EWR-WAW on ex-VG plane in Star Alliance colours!!!!! I have a video on youtube, just search for piotrkrusz LO 767 landing in WAW
Well done LO, I'm booked BRU-WAW-BRU in Jan 2012!!!
Rgds
Piotr
Got both LO 788 frames already, next SN BRU-VCE-BRU
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
Didn't see this posted yet, but here's some video of the plane now after they got the gear down and towed it to a remote location. It shows the damage to the belly and engines.
moriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
I know it's early but any words on the investigation of what really happened?
Sidenote: The pilots did a good job getting the bird and its passengers down safely no doubt about that. But before we raise them to the skies I think we need to remember two things - they did what they train for, are paid to do if necessary and what most pilots (hopefully all) would do. And we don't know the full story of what happened during that flight and if the right decisions were made. Still, it is impressive to see the airplane getting down in one piece with no injuries, I must admit.
3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
Quoting moriarty (Reply 18): I know it's early but any words on the investigation of what really happened?
Not much yet. Black boxes have been taken to Berlin (IIRC) to be read. Some hydraulic failure was known early in the flight - the crew reports it was 30 minutes after take-off, some rumors say it must have been even earlier. Other rumors say the circuit breaker for emergency gear extension was found switched off after landing - but this means nothing in my opinion.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
Mavericek From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
Here's video from INSIDE the plane! ...in the case it hasn't been posted yet.
LO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
LOT leases an additional Boeing 767
Warsaw, 10th November 2011 – LOT Polish Airlines has signed a contract for the lease of an additional long-haul B767-300ER aircraft from the Ukrainian carrier, AeroSvit.
The plane has been hired under wet lease terms until 15th January 2012. The Boeing 767 will fly LOT’s routes to Toronto and Hanoi and the first flight, from Warsaw to Toronto, is scheduled for 13th November.
The aircraft’s configuration is very similar to that used by LOT, with 23 business class seats and 182 in the economy class. The in-flight and other services will be identical to those provided in LOT’s own aircraft and the AeroSvit flight attendants will be supported by two members of LOT’s cabin crew.
AeroSvit is Ukraine’s leading airline, offering around sixty routes to twenty-nine countries, including long-haul flights to Thailand, China, India, Canada and the USA. The carrier meets every requirement of international air regulations and holds the International Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) certificate, issued by the International Air Transport Association (IATA).
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