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LO016 EWR-WAW Emergency Landing Part 2  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9061 posts, RR: 76
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8377 times:
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The other thread got over 240 replies now, so please continue in this thread.


Here the link to part one:

LO016 EWR-WAW Emergency (by BlueSky1976 Nov 1 2011 in Civil Aviation)#200


Thanks.

wilco737
  


It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7637 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos..._kadlub_boeinga_767__ZDJECIE_.html

Reply 239 from part 1.

How bad is this damage.

Is it a case of replacing the skin panels or is the underlying structure destroyed.

To me, it looks that the structure has been distorted.


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8164 times:

Found this video of the approach and touchdown, not sure if its been shared already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_1Hgra-7Q&feature=related

Glenn



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 7674 times:

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 233):

Taking off on a runway contaminated with ice and snow might do it. Our procedure calls for cycling the gear one time after take off to ensure no ice or snow has been lodged in the gear mechanisms.

You do that after every takeoff from a contaminated runway?



Yes - to prevent the gear from freezing in the wheel wells.



...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
How bad is this damage.

Is it a case of replacing the skin panels or is the underlying structure destroyed.

To me, it looks that the structure has been distorted.

Belly skins, along with the stringers and frames are routinely replaced. Most of the time replacement is due to corrosion but the procedure for this type of damage is exactly the same.

The picture does not show the skin around the aft pressure bulkhead, but if there is similar there, I would expect to see the bulkhead damaged also.

But all the damage shown so far is repairable!


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
But all the damage shown so far is repairable!

Totally.The pressure bulkhead can be repaired too, takes some more time and "hard" work but not a big deal either.
However the damage showed until now in all the pictures is in the belly / fuselage, and I think the inspection of the engine pylons and adjacent wing structures is more important, that part of the aircraft received unusual forces in this accident and should be carefully inspected before any decision about the future of this bird. If the wings requires repairs, plus the new engines, plus the fuselage repairs.... maybe the bill is too high and the insurance company simply W/Off the frame.
Let's see...   


Rgds.
G.



80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
think the inspection of the engine pylons and adjacent wing structures is more important,

While I have no experience with Boeing products, people keep telling me, their pylons are equipped with shear pins, which allows the pylon and engine to depart the aircraft if they are over loaded. They say this design prevents damage to the wing front spar and web thus preventing fuel leaks.

If true then I can only assume that the load required to shear the pins was not exceeded and the wing and pylon structure should be in satisfactory condition.


User currently offlineboacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos..._kadlub_boeinga_767__ZDJECIE_.html

Reply 239 from part 1.

How bad is this damage.

Is it a case of replacing the skin panels or is the underlying structure destroyed.

To me, it looks that the structure has been distorted.

According to the google translation, the airline wants the aircraft back to service soon (.. in one month) ! Cheers to them for having a positive attitude, and the damage to the belly fuselage and wing doesn't look really that bad - but of course the investigation phase is just beginning.

[Edited 2011-11-05 19:33:10]


Up, up and Away!
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Due to the significant damage, will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?

Would Boeing be involved with their own employees to do the repairs and if can be repaired, will it be done at WAW or patched up and flown unpressurized to another location (like to LH's main shops) ?


User currently offlinesfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

I am sure everything could be repaired, it's more a case of, is it worth it? Not only is there several belly skins to replace, but stringers, circumpherencials, etc. Pylon mounts too. Although there are fuse pins to allow pylons to break free, this landing put unusuall compression forces on them, I would think. Don't think you'll see it in a month, whatever they decide.


Not as easy as originally perceived
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):
Due to the significant damage, will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?

Would Boeing be involved with their own employees to do the repairs and if can be repaired, will it be done at WAW or patched up and flown unpressurized to another location (like to LH's main shops) ?

Boeing has representatives stationed at most large airports around the world. One of these representatives will be dispatched to assist LOT in assessing the damage. Additional specialists can be dispatch from the Seattle if required.

As for repair, Boeing can bid on the repair, but they will have to compete with any number of repair facilities and teams.

Unpressurized ferry flight to a repair facility could be carried out depending on the out come of a detailed inspection and replacing the engines.

Boeing will have to supply the skins because some are double compound skins that cannot be produced without a large stretch forming machine.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):
will Boeing send it's people to WAW to evaluate what has to be done?

Besides the normal on-site reps, a special evaluation and repair planning team from Boeing was sent to WAW and arrived before the aircraft was moved.

Which is SOP for major manufacturers in such situations.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 11):
Which is SOP for major manufacturers in such situations.

Only if they are invited.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11383 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos..._kadlub_boeinga_767__ZDJECIE_.html

Reply 239 from part 1.

Is google translate correct that this article reports that Boeing has said this plane can be back in the air in a month?



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User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

A few days late on this topic, but this is unbelievable to me -- how weird to watch those videos!! And am surprised that the scraping sound on the tarmac was not that loud/horrible?!?!

Anyway, hats off to Captain Wrona for an incredibly skillful landing!!!

Seems like many folks on here are convinced this bird will fly again. I am not so sure, but needless to say, would prefer not too if given the choice.

Cheers


User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
Is google translate correct that this article reports that Boeing has said this plane can be back in the air in a month?

Yes, that's the expected time.


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 14):
Anyway, hats off to Captain Wrona for an incredibly skillful landing!!!

I am just amazed, I flew with the same captain on EWR-WAW on ex-VG plane in Star Alliance colours!!!!! I have a video on youtube, just search for piotrkrusz LO 767 landing in WAW

Well done LO, I'm booked BRU-WAW-BRU in Jan 2012!!!

Rgds
Piotr



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Didn't see this posted yet, but here's some video of the plane now after they got the gear down and towed it to a remote location. It shows the damage to the belly and engines.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff4_1320794781



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlinemoriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

I know it's early but any words on the investigation of what really happened?

Sidenote: The pilots did a good job getting the bird and its passengers down safely no doubt about that. But before we raise them to the skies I think we need to remember two things - they did what they train for, are paid to do if necessary and what most pilots (hopefully all) would do. And we don't know the full story of what happened during that flight and if the right decisions were made. Still, it is impressive to see the airplane getting down in one piece with no injuries, I must admit.



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User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting moriarty (Reply 18):
I know it's early but any words on the investigation of what really happened?

Not much yet. Black boxes have been taken to Berlin (IIRC) to be read. Some hydraulic failure was known early in the flight - the crew reports it was 30 minutes after take-off, some rumors say it must have been even earlier. Other rumors say the circuit breaker for emergency gear extension was found switched off after landing - but this means nothing in my opinion.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Reply 18):
was found switched off after landing

Isn't the procedure after such a landing to shut off as many circuit breakers as possible to avoid fire danger?


User currently offlineMavericek From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Here's video from INSIDE the plane! ...in the case it hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/250...ci-z-vnitrku-letadla.html?ref=boxD


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

LOT leases an additional Boeing 767


Warsaw, 10th November 2011 – LOT Polish Airlines has signed a contract for the lease of an additional long-haul B767-300ER aircraft from the Ukrainian carrier, AeroSvit.

The plane has been hired under wet lease terms until 15th January 2012. The Boeing 767 will fly LOT’s routes to Toronto and Hanoi and the first flight, from Warsaw to Toronto, is scheduled for 13th November.

The aircraft’s configuration is very similar to that used by LOT, with 23 business class seats and 182 in the economy class. The in-flight and other services will be identical to those provided in LOT’s own aircraft and the AeroSvit flight attendants will be supported by two members of LOT’s cabin crew.

AeroSvit is Ukraine’s leading airline, offering around sixty routes to twenty-nine countries, including long-haul flights to Thailand, China, India, Canada and the USA. The carrier meets every requirement of international air regulations and holds the International Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) certificate, issued by the International Air Transport Association (IATA).



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
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