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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14651 times:

I thought many of you here may find this informaiton interesting. Specific delivery dates have been posted for the 77W fleet, along with rough monthly estimates for the 737 and A320 a/c.

77W:
Planned Nose # / Delivery Date
7LA                  Nov-12
7LB                  Dec-12
7LC                  Jan-13
7LD                  Mar-13
7LE                  Apr-13
7LF                   May-13
7LG                   Jun-13
7LH                   Jul-13

737:
2013 - 20
2014 - 20
2015 - 20
2016 - 20
2017 - 20

A320:
2013 - 20
2014 - 35
2015 - 30
2016 - 25
2017 - 20

737MAX:
2018 - 20
2019 - 20
2020 - 20
2021 - 20
2022 - 20

A320neo:
2017 - 10
2018 - 25
2019 - 25
2020 - 25
2021 - 25
2022 - 20

In addition, 76 738s were delivered in 2009-2010, and another 54 are scheduled for delivery in 2011-2013. Seven 777-200 a/c are scheduled for delivery between 2013-2016, and 42 789 a/c are scheduled for delivery beginning 4Q2014.


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14634 times:
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Thanks for this info qq!

It's amazing how many a/c their are scheduled to take in each month. It will be interesting to see if they can handle that high number.

They'd better start ramping up the training starting in 2012.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14608 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Thread starter):
42 789 a/c are scheduled for delivery beginning 4Q2014

It would be nice to see AA finally firming up this order......I guess that will happen as soon as APA ratifies the new contract ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14402 times:

2013-2016 1 new a/c every 9 days
2017 1 new a/c every 7 days
2018-2021 1 new a/c every 8 days
2022 1 new a/c every 9 days

Damn!

[Edited 2011-11-06 09:36:13]


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):

Wow, from 2013-2017 AA will be getting a new a/c (320/737) every 9 days. Damn!

Very true. However, things have a way of changing in this industry, largely due to external forces. It'll be interesting to see if they do indeed follow this delivery pattern.   I hope they do, though.

-Dave



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14301 times:
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Really appreciate the time table and information you put into this thread.   

User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14005 times:

Can't wait for the new F and J product on the 77W! I hope AA doesn't mess up this opportunity and plans for a true F suite and copies CX's new style business class seats...but I can dream. Since the first one should be coming a year from now, when can we expect to see an announcement on the new premium product(s), spring perhaps?

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13929 times:
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They'd be wise to announce the 773's layout/product next spring. AA badly needs to retake the initiative and a bold product offering for biz/first similar to CX would set the tone perfectly.

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13507 times:

What would also be interesting is AA's schedule for retiring the MD-80 fleet, as well as any 757s, 767-200s and 767-300s over the next 10 years.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13264 times:

No narrowbody deliveries in 2012 it seems...

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Thread starter):
A320:
2013 - 20
2014 - 35
2015 - 30
2016 - 25
2017 - 20

Any confirmation on specific models? It's been said that they'll be 319/321s, but no 320s correct?

Also, straight from the mother ship, the new seats on the 77W will be innovative. Tried to get a breakdown of the configuration, but source won't budge.  



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12763 times:

I thought the A320s would arrive sooner. perhaps a couple by the end of 2012.


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12738 times:

I'm assuming the 77Ws are a reference to the 773ERs?


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User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12476 times:

Still waiting for the 777-200ER orders to be converted to -300ER.....

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9652 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11606 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
No narrowbody deliveries in 2012 it seems...

They were just not included in this announcement. AA has been getting about 2 737NGs a month since 2009 and will continue in 2012. Next delivery should be in a week.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 12):
I'm assuming the 77Ws are a reference to the 773ERs?

Yes, 77W is the code for the 777-300ER.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 6):
Can't wait for the new F and J product on the 77W! I hope AA doesn't mess up this opportunity and plans for a true F suite and copies CX's new style business class seats...but I can dream. Since the first one should be coming a year from now, when can we expect to see an announcement on the new premium product(s), spring perhaps?

I won't hold my breath on this one, as their immediate competition DL and UA are not pushing the bar very high IMHO. I hope that AA will try to develop their product along the same way as CX and BA, but they have a long way to go and I have not heard of any upgrading along the lines of CX or BA. Please tell me if I am wrong.



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed I'll have to wait an additional year to al777-300ER in the AA colorscheme. I'm actually quite shocked that UA, NW or DL never expressed interest in replacing their 747 fleet with 773ERs years ago. Obviously UA has selected the A350, but DL appears interested in keeping the 747s indefinitely, even though they are flying some of the first ones ever built. The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
DL appears interested in keeping the 747s indefinitely, even though they are flying some of the first ones ever built. The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.

Yes, but one must remember it is cheaper operate what you have (even if it is less efficient) than to buy something new. DL didn't choose the 744, they got them from NW. Since they have them now, they're making the best out of them



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.

You have the fuel efficiency part correct, but the cost of a 20 year old 744 is a lot less than a new 773ER (or even a used 773ER). It would be a much different cost analysis if you were purchasaing a new 744 and a new 773ER.


User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 19):
You have the fuel efficiency part correct, but the cost of a 20 year old 744 is a lot less than a new 773ER (or even a used 773ER). It would be a much different cost analysis if you were purchasaing a new 744 and a new 773ER.

That is not entirely correct either- it depends on a lot of different variables. If the 744's in your example were maintained only to the minimum standard or with the cheapest parts available it may well be more cost effective to have new aircraft. However, if from day 1 those 747's were maintained like they were going to be staying in the fleet for 20 years, it would be cheaper to keep the 747's. Same scenario with AA. Eventually, you get to a point where older aircraft are no longer able to perform as reliably as new aircraft, and the downtime and reliability issues with them are more costly than purchasing new aircraft.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 20):
you get to a point

And this is where the fleet planners make their money, finding that point. Maybe DL determined they'd have the 744s in just short of the point where getting 77Ws are more efficient, and are waiting for a future date to replace the 744s with something better than the 77Ws, whatever that would be in the future. The airlines are smart, not immune to mistakes and not absent of questionable actions, but I'm sure DL researched the 744s quite extensively and have good reasons to keep them versus buying 77Ws



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinebeyauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

This has probably been discussed before, but how is financially strapped AA going to pay/finance these huge orders?

User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Thread starter):
77W:
Planned Nose # / Delivery Date
7LA Nov-12
7LB Dec-12
7LC Jan-13
7LD Mar-13
7LE Apr-13
7LF May-13
7LG Jun-13
7LH Jul-13

Thanks for the info, and has there been any mention of 77W options?

Also, are the 'nose numbers' an abbreviation of the registration, like N1777LA for instance, and has the FAA considered a three or four letter registration sequence in addition to the numbers plus two letters?

PA515


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

They are internal AA hull numbers, or ship numbers but I guess you could call them nose numbers. AA usually uses a one or two number and one or two letters in their 3 degit number system to track individual airplanes. Many airlines use a similar system although some may just use the registration number, shortened to a 3 charicter sequence.

For AA, their system is (the first number);

"3" is for the B-767-300ER
"7" is for the B-777-200ER/-300ER (the -200ER starts with "77" then a letter).

I don't remember the rest.


25 elmothehobo : Airbus and Boeing helped line up financing for American, both internally and externally. American also developed a cozy relationship with General Ele
26 LAXtoATL : You are correct. Yes it has been discussed to death on here. Both Airbus and Boeing provided incentives to lessors who will be purchasing the planes
27 MCO2BRS : Has AA not firmed up their 787-9 orders yet? I've not really been following this, and would have thought the 787 would be included in such a schedule.
28 LAXtoATL : Not firmed yet. Hinges on negotiating a pay scale with the union to operate that type. The purchase agreement with Boeing gives AA up until 18months
29 yyz717 : According to aerotransport.org, all 130 firm are for the A321-200 (these are the non-neo on order). Given CO's preference for Boeing, I wonder if thi
30 LONGisland89 : Sorry to nitpick, but all AA's 200ERs begin with one 7 not two. For example, 7AJ, 7BF, 7CB, etc.
31 SonomaFlyer : UA has stated more than once they are staying with their 359 orders. Their stated intention is to replace their 744 fleet.
32 realsim : Internal fleet numbers for AA are: - 251 to 293: MD-80 - 318 to 339: B767-200ER - 342 to 399: B767-300ER - 401 to 587: MD-80 - 610 to 643: B757-200 -
33 jfkgig : 35 of the first 737-800s are part of a sale-leaseback transaction with Aercap Lease Finance. Aercap has itself already arranged a credit facility wit
34 AA767400 : Really? I find that hard to believe, but hey, who knows. On pictures from the press release, they show 319s and 321s. I know that's not saying much,
35 Post contains links flyby519 : Looks like the DFW airport and AMR are in the planning stage for 100 seaters: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/11...a-new-dfw-airport-takes-shape.ht
36 ckfred : Does anyone know what the rough configuration will be for the A319s and the A321s? I know that AA has mentioned putting some off the A321s in a 3-clas
37 commavia : I, too, find it hard to believe. I suppose AA could get the first batch of 130 Airbus aircraft as non-NEO A321s, and then make the second batch, say,
38 mrskyguy : That hasn't been settled upon yet by AMR (internally-speaking).
39 brilondon : Does the A321 have the range of the 757's AA uses on its Hawaii and thin TATL routes?
40 Post contains images PPVRA : This interest of ours called aviation requires a lot of patience, doesn't it?
41 r2rho : Thanks for the info, that really is a massive fleet upgrade in a relatively short timeframe. No wonder the narrowbody order was split up between A&
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