In addition, 76 738s were delivered in 2009-2010, and another 54 are scheduled for delivery in 2011-2013. Seven 777-200 a/c are scheduled for delivery between 2013-2016, and 42 789 a/c are scheduled for delivery beginning 4Q2014.
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LONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14312 times:
Can't wait for the new F and J product on the 77W! I hope AA doesn't mess up this opportunity and plans for a true F suite and copies CX's new style business class seats...but I can dream. Since the first one should be coming a year from now, when can we expect to see an announcement on the new premium product(s), spring perhaps?
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11191 times:
Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 6): Can't wait for the new F and J product on the 77W! I hope AA doesn't mess up this opportunity and plans for a true F suite and copies CX's new style business class seats...but I can dream. Since the first one should be coming a year from now, when can we expect to see an announcement on the new premium product(s), spring perhaps?
I won't hold my breath on this one, as their immediate competition DL and UA are not pushing the bar very high IMHO. I hope that AA will try to develop their product along the same way as CX and BA, but they have a long way to go and I have not heard of any upgrading along the lines of CX or BA. Please tell me if I am wrong.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9022 times:
I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed I'll have to wait an additional year to al777-300ER in the AA colorscheme. I'm actually quite shocked that UA, NW or DL never expressed interest in replacing their 747 fleet with 773ERs years ago. Obviously UA has selected the A350, but DL appears interested in keeping the 747s indefinitely, even though they are flying some of the first ones ever built. The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8494 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8903 times:
Quoting Thrust (Reply 17): DL appears interested in keeping the 747s indefinitely, even though they are flying some of the first ones ever built. The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.
Yes, but one must remember it is cheaper operate what you have (even if it is less efficient) than to buy something new. DL didn't choose the 744, they got them from NW. Since they have them now, they're making the best out of them
LAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8462 times:
Quoting Thrust (Reply 17): The 773ER can carry nearly as many passengers over the same distance at about half the cost of a 744 (and much greater fuel efficiency as well) from what I have heard and read.
You have the fuel efficiency part correct, but the cost of a 20 year old 744 is a lot less than a new 773ER (or even a used 773ER). It would be a much different cost analysis if you were purchasaing a new 744 and a new 773ER.
Lufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8144 times:
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 19): You have the fuel efficiency part correct, but the cost of a 20 year old 744 is a lot less than a new 773ER (or even a used 773ER). It would be a much different cost analysis if you were purchasaing a new 744 and a new 773ER.
That is not entirely correct either- it depends on a lot of different variables. If the 744's in your example were maintained only to the minimum standard or with the cheapest parts available it may well be more cost effective to have new aircraft. However, if from day 1 those 747's were maintained like they were going to be staying in the fleet for 20 years, it would be cheaper to keep the 747's. Same scenario with AA. Eventually, you get to a point where older aircraft are no longer able to perform as reliably as new aircraft, and the downtime and reliability issues with them are more costly than purchasing new aircraft.
Nothing in life is to be feared; it is only to be understood.
And this is where the fleet planners make their money, finding that point. Maybe DL determined they'd have the 744s in just short of the point where getting 77Ws are more efficient, and are waiting for a future date to replace the 744s with something better than the 77Ws, whatever that would be in the future. The airlines are smart, not immune to mistakes and not absent of questionable actions, but I'm sure DL researched the 744s quite extensively and have good reasons to keep them versus buying 77Ws
Thanks for the info, and has there been any mention of 77W options?
Also, are the 'nose numbers' an abbreviation of the registration, like N1777LA for instance, and has the FAA considered a three or four letter registration sequence in addition to the numbers plus two letters?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12281 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5768 times:
They are internal AA hull numbers, or ship numbers but I guess you could call them nose numbers. AA usually uses a one or two number and one or two letters in their 3 degit number system to track individual airplanes. Many airlines use a similar system although some may just use the registration number, shortened to a 3 charicter sequence.
For AA, their system is (the first number);
"3" is for the B-767-300ER
"7" is for the B-777-200ER/-300ER (the -200ER starts with "77" then a letter).
I don't remember the rest.
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: This interest of ours called aviation requires a lot of patience, doesn't it?
: Thanks for the info, that really is a massive fleet upgrade in a relatively short timeframe. No wonder the narrowbody order was split up between A&