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New AF Destination In China : Wuhan  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

AF announced yesterday a new destination China, starting April 11 2012 : WUHAN.
AF will be the first and only airline to offer nonstop direct flights between Wuhan-Tianhe and Europe.

The service will start with 3 x Weekly flights operated with a B772ER.

WUHAN becomes the 8th AFKL destination in China after Shanghai, Beijing, Hong-Kong, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Xiamen, Hangzhou.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

The flights are still not displayed on airfrance.com Any idea when more information will become available ?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

The last three are code share, please specify this for novices.

[Edited 2011-11-07 02:38:45]

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

CDG. 16h20 ---> WUH. 08h55 mo, Wed, fri. AF132 B777

WUH. 11h30 ---> CDG. 17h00 tue, thu, sat. AF139 B777


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

As I thought, airlines in Europe are slowly picking off large cities in China. There is a large Citroen factory in Wuhan, which may have swayed AF in favour of WUH. I'm surpised AF went for a 777 though, rather than a smaller A330.

The next cities I guess will probably be Xi'an (XIY), Haerbin (HRB), Shenyang (SHE) and Urumqi (URC), all lacking Europe flights. LH served SHE for a while via ICN, but only 2/3 times a week before cancelling it. Good luck to AF!

[Edited 2011-11-07 03:11:19]


http://my.flightmemory.com/shefgab Upcoming flights: LHR-GVA-LHR-TXL-LHR-VE-PRN,SPU-OSL-LHR, LGW-DXB-BKK-DXB-LHR
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

Tks for the additional info, SSC. I see the news story has been posted on AF's Twitter page but no schedule details were mentioned.

http://twitter.com/#!/airfrancefr


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 4):
I'm surpised AF went for a 777 though, rather than a smaller A330.

But a B777-200ER will become spare from the end of March 2012. That plane type currently operates between CDG and BKK but will be replaced by a B747/B777-300ER when AF revises its CDG-BKK schedule for summer next year.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
The last three are code share, please specify this for novices.

No, KL operates it with its own metal.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

But its no AF jets flying there direct.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4153 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

The OP specified "AFKL".

As in Air France/KLM for novices!



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6396 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
The flights are still not displayed on airfrance.com Any idea when more information will become available ?

Now displayed in GDS systems:

1 AF 132 135 CDG2E WUH 1620 0855+1 0 11APR12 26OCT12 772 10:35
1 AF 139 246 WUH CDG2E 1130 1700 0 12APR12 27OCT12 772 11:30

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1972 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

I think it's a smart move for foreign airlines to start serving 2nd and 3rd tier cities in China before the Chinese airlines do so in order to get ahead and grab market share early on.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8161 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Question: Is this demand coming from China-Europe traffic or is it connecting traffic to Africa and S.America?
China is not nearly as big a trading partner for the EU as it is for the US. I find it interesting that there are more Chinese cities served from Europe while additional frequencies from the US remain unfilled.


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

This service has been long-rumored. Wuhan is the home of many French multinational factories. To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
Question: Is this demand coming from China-Europe traffic or is it connecting traffic to Africa and S.America?

This flight will be mostly CDG-WUH traffic as the demand to WUH is quite large from Paris as a result of myriad business links.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
China is not nearly as big a trading partner for the EU as it is for the US. I find it interesting that there are more Chinese cities served from Europe while additional frequencies from the US remain unfilled.


? China's largest trading partner is the EU. However, that could very well change this year if an EU recession materializes.

[Edited 2011-11-07 18:20:33]


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8161 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 13):
? China's largest trading partner is the EU.

Indeed it is. Wow, how things have changed.


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

It won't be just the French corporate clients who will be paying for these. Chinese tourists visiting Europe will also use this service. Plus the connection traffics to other parts of Europe.

3x weekly is just a starter. I hope they can sustain this and their other new Chinese routes. Wuhan is obviously not an island - AF has to compete with CA/MU/CZ/HU/CX who offers multiple daily flight(s) to Wuhan from their hub(s), and onwards to Europe. Obviously these airlines are benefiting a lot from the Chinese economy - they too are adding flights to secondary cities in Europe.


User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 13):
This service has been long-rumored. Wuhan is the home of many French multinational factories. To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.

Wuhan is a large manufacturing city not just with French/Europe connections, and I agree I am also surprised that a European carrier did not start this route earlier.


User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Well played again AF-KL.

It's well known in European airlines HQs; any China flight you launch is FULL in the next weeks.

AF-KL is very strong on the Africa - China market at the moment.


User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 4):
I'm surpised AF went for a 777 though, rather than a smaller A330.

I suspect cargo loads reason for such a choice too...
  



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 4):
LH served SHE for a while via ICN

Wasn't that via PEK?



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 4):

The next cities I guess will probably be Xi'an (XIY), Haerbin (HRB), Shenyang (SHE) and Urumqi (URC), all lacking Europe flights

URC is already covered by Europe (if you consider IST part of Europe..). As for Western Europe, I think AMS-URC makes sense as I recall they're developing a flower business in the neighborhood of URC.


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 15):
It won't be just the French corporate clients who will be paying for these. Chinese tourists visiting Europe will also use this service. Plus the connection traffics to other parts of Europe.

It's obviously going to serve some connecting traffic, as well. However, this route will be far more O&D heavy than, say, HGH-AMS or CKG-HEL which depend on the connections. Why? More than ONE THIRD of net French investment in China is in greater Wuhan and more than 50 French companies have their operations there. I think you're underestimating the importance of the CDG link; they didn't choose to start this flight from AMS (where all of their other second-tier Chinese cities are served from) over CDG (where they fly to zero second-tier Chinese cities) for a reason. Simply, if this service were going to be heavily dependent on connections, they would've started it from AMS, like all of their other services to second-tier Chinese cities.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 20):
URC is already covered by Europe (if you consider IST part of Europe..).

CZ also serves SVO ex-URC, if I'm not mistaken.

On the subject, I wonder though if there will be codeshares for this particular route with CZ or MU since WUH is a focus city for both airlines.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5052 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting SN-MD11 (Reply 17):
It's well known in European airlines HQs; any China flight you launch is FULL in the next weeks.

= Now now. Let's not get carried away. If this was the case, all European airlines would be rushing into service in China. This has not been the case - and, airlines in Europe could have done with the $$$ this year.

Saludos,
A.

PS: I agree with other posters - surprised it took so long.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting SN-MD11 (Reply 17):

It's well known in European airlines HQs; any China flight you launch is FULL in the next weeks.

I don't think that KL will agree. Chengdu wasn't a success at first.


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