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Air France Long Haul A319's  
User currently offlineordluvr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 19 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 16387 times:

I am just curious as to where Air France sends their special dedicated services A319's
I was browsing on AF's website and came across the seat-map for the A319 dedicate... with only 79 seats on it! Am I correct in assuming that these are used on long-haul routes?
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...rance/Air_France_Airbus_A319_C.php
In addition Qatar AIrways has a business class pitch of 60" which is excessive even for a five star airline
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qat...ways/Qatar_Airways_Airbus_A319.php

Can anyone shed light on these?

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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16153 times:

I think in the case of AF, the Dedicate services on A319s are aimed mostly at the oil patch in West Africa andCha the Middle East. Coming to mind are Port Harcourt in Nigeria, N'Djamena in Chad in West Africa, and Riyadh & Jeddah in Saudi Arabia. Routes need to have significant J demand, but not enough to warrant a widebody.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

I still wouldn't call any of the routes long haul. Those are all medium-haul routes at most.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16003 times:
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Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
I think in the case of AF, the Dedicate services on A319s are aimed mostly at the oil patch in West Africa andCha the Middle East. Coming to mind are Port Harcourt in Nigeria, N'Djamena in Chad in West Africa, and Riyadh & Jeddah in Saudi Arabia. Routes need to have significant J demand, but not enough to warrant a widebody.

And also currently SSG in Equatorial Guinea


User currently offlinempsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15966 times:

Would the Air Canada St. Johns Nld to London Heathrow route be viewed as medium or long haul?

User currently offlineirshava From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15918 times:

My friend once told me that they send (or used to send ((not sure))) them to Saudi....


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15920 times:

Quoting mpsrent (Reply 4):

Medium  

When I flew that route it only took us 5 hours.



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User currently offlineVal747 From France, joined Aug 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15324 times:

These aircraft are not meant for long haul flights, but for specific flights with high yield demand.
Currently, these aircrafts fly to :

- Malabo
- N'Djamena
- Bata (via Malabo)
- Port Gentil

It's an A330 that fly to Jed and Ruh.


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15236 times:

Quoting Val747 (Reply 7):
It's an A330 that fly to Jed and Ruh.

But it was a 319 some years ago. I flew them regularly to RUH in 2008.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15027 times:

Quoting mpsrent (Reply 4):
Would the Air Canada St. Johns Nld to London Heathrow route be viewed as medium or long haul?
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
Medium

When I flew that route it only took us 5 hours.

5 hours would be westbound, I'm thinking. The route is short enough that ETOPS certification is not required.



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14666 times:

Quoting ordluvr (Thread starter):
In addition Qatar AIrways has a business class pitch of 60" which is excessive even for a five star airline

These are long haul lie flat business seats.
QR uses its A319 on 6 hour sectors.


User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12673 times:

I thought they are using all A318s for such type of flights?


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User currently offlineordluvr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Thanks for the help!
Just another random question what is the longest route operated by a small ariliner-b737/a320?


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12153 times:
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Quoting Val747 (Reply 7):
Bata (via Malabo)

Bata ????

This must be very new service. As I recall, BSG only has daylight operations and has a short runway to boot. No doubt the plane returns to SSG in order to overnight the crew.

Amazing where people will go for petroleum exploration.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12108 times:

Quoting ordluvr (Reply 12):
Just another random question what is the longest route operated by a small ariliner-b737/a320?

Well Privatair operates A319s and 737s on behalf of airlines such as LH and KLM over the atlantic from AMS and FRA. I think they also operate them to DXB. But these are business jet type aircraft with extra fuel capacity.

I imagine one contender for the longest 737 route would be Norwegian's Oslo to Dubai flight... I think it is nonstop.



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User currently offlineDutchBoeing From Netherlands, joined Apr 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Surely AMS-IAH on the Privatair B737 for KLM is longer than OSL-DXB?

Yes it is!  
From To Initial
Heading Distance
AMS IAH 5012 mi
OSL DXB 3194 mi
mi

[Edited 2011-11-08 07:55:32]

[Edited 2011-11-08 07:56:37]

User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10631 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
I imagine one contender for the longest 737 route would be Norwegian's Oslo to Dubai flight... I think it is nonstop.

And the usually make a stop for fuel on the way back.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 11):
I thought they are using all A318s for such type of flights?

You must be confusing with BA, who indeed uses J -only A318s on long-haul (-ish) flights on LCY-JFK. The AF A318s are strictly intra-European, while these Dedicate aircraft are strictly A319s.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Riyadh & Jeddah in Saudi Arabia

Sadly not anymore, I think it's now a reduced frequency A330-200 service (I presume the cargo more than anything) - the A319ER/LR flights went out many times without baggage if we had a bad headwind

Quoting irshava (Reply 5):
My friend once told me that they send (or used to send ((not sure))) them to Saudi....

That was me... haha

Quoting TGV (Reply 8):
But it was a 319 some years ago. I flew them regularly to RUH in 2008.

Sounds right, I used to fly with AF MAN-CDG-RUH as it both the MAN and RUH flights went out of the same terminal at CDG (2F when 2E was still being rebuilt, then eventually 2E). Wasn't a bad connection for me and at the time, they were pretty cheap (plus my dad had a lot of miles doing trips in Business with them). The only problem was no personal IFE in Economy (but drop down screens) and only Digiplayers in Business. However, every seat had a power port and the legroom was better than other carriers (plus it was much quieter on board with fewer people). I quite liked the flights, before I started flying BD on RUH-LHR-MAN and eventually BA when the prices went up and I got annoyed with BD...


User currently offlinephllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting DutchBoeing (Reply 15):
Surely AMS-IAH on the Privatair B737 for KLM is longer than OSL-DXB?

How about Copa's Panama City - Buenos Aires flights?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

Surely AMS-IAH on the Privatair B737 for KLM is longer than OSL-DXB?

The PrivatAir BBJ operation for KLM on AMS-IAH ended a week ago. It's now operated by KL's own A330-200. They continue to operate the ZRH-EWR route for LX but that service ends next March when it will be replaced by an LX A330-300.

[Edited 2011-11-08 12:24:01]

User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8488 times:

To be picky, I wouldnt count IAH-AMS as the longest as A. It no longer exists and B. it was a BBJ.

I would say Copa PTY-EZE as its 3313 miles.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting phllax (Reply 19):
How about Copa's Panama City - Buenos Aires flights?

Was going to mention that one. Actually, I think the flight is (or was) LAX-PTY-EZE.

Also, a few years back, Air Pacific operated NAN-HNL-YVR I think 2x weekly with a 73G. Long way over water in a 73G.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 22):
Also, a few years back, Air Pacific operated NAN-HNL-YVR I think 2x weekly with a 73G. Long way over water in a 73G.

I think it's always been a 738, not a 73G, and NAN-HNL-NAN still operates once a week. The HNL-YVR sector was dropped in 2007.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Quoting ordluvr (Reply 12):
Just another random question what is the longest route operated by a small ariliner-b737/a320?

As I remember, United Airways (not UAL) of Bangladesh started flying to LGW with an MD-83 (!) in 2009. Not non-stop, naturally, but I'm assuming this routing takes the cake as far as direct flights on narrowbodies go (discounting 757s, 707s etc). I believe they got hold of an A310 which I assume has since replaced the MD, but alas, I do not know.

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25 Viscount724 : Don't think CM traffic rights would permit a LAX-PTY-EZE flight with the same flight number. It's a connection in schedules. I think their longest no
26 LJ : As far as I know AF still doesn't have traffic rights to Bata (though it does appear in the Skyteam timetable). If you try booking a flight you'll no
27 RoseFlyer : Longest I believe is ANA NRT-BOM. It's over 4,000nm with the routing it takes to avoid the Himalayas. The NRT-BOM sector is typically over 10 hours. T
28 Post contains links Viscount724 : However that's a 737-700ER, a close relative of the BBJ with extra fuel tanks and other structural differences of the BBJ. That route wouldn't be pos
29 connies4ever : There was a profile of COPA in "Airways" mag a couple of years ago that mentioned the LAX-PTY-EXE service specifically.
30 Post contains images FlySSC : Back to the Topic ... Air France used to operate its A319ER "Dedicate" on : CDG-DOH-CDG CDG-KWI-CDG CDG-PNR-CDG CDG-SSG-CDG CDG-NDJ-CDG CDG-NKC-CDG CD
31 SKAirbus : Where does it normally refuel?
32 SKAirbus : You can't really compare the two. Privatair operate BBJs, which are designed for medium/long haul travel. The 737-800 which operates from OSL-DXB is
33 AirGabon : And also in the past Tashkent (TAS): CDG-TAS-CDG with a A319ER Dedicate. Plus the strange idea AF had to operate a CDG-Kiev-Atyrau (Kazakhstan) with
34 Pihero : A CDG-PNR of some seven and a half hours is plenty long enough for a long haul definition in my book... Yes and it was great fun at some 6:30 hrs and
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