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Transaero Signs For 747-8I As Well  
User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18239 times:

Now this is interesting. Is Transaero likely to take both?

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-days-after-a380-agreement-364442/

Just days after tentatively signing for four Airbus A380s, Russian carrier Transaero has also reached a preliminary agreement to take four Boeing 747-8 passenger aircraft.

The Moscow-based carrier has confirmed the agreement for the jets which would be fitted with around 460 seats in four classes.


Boeing's vice-president for civil aircraft sales in Russia, Marty Bentrott, said Transaero would become the first carrier in the country, and in Eastern Europe, to take the new 747 variant.

[Edited 2011-11-08 04:43:06 by moderators]

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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18192 times:

Anyone see a trend developing here? Maybe the two new heavies aren't such direct competitors as had been thought and actually complement each other. BAW next!

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18171 times:
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Quoting RubberJungle (Thread starter):
Is Transaero likely to take both?

They indicated they would when they signed for their A380s. I must admit, I'm struggling to see the benefit of operating both types in (at least initially) such small numbers.



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User currently offlineextra300 From Sweden, joined Sep 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18171 times:

I guess they will take both types.

How many airlines have now ordered both 748 and A388? Lufthansa, Korean Air, Transaero and Hong Kong Airlines. Any more? Hong Kong Airlines orders are still "undisclosed" and Transaero orders are not firmed.
Did I get it right?


User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17879 times:

Quoting extra300 (Reply 3):
Hong Kong Airlines orders are still "undisclosed

Technically HX has ordered neither as its orders appear on neither A nor B's books . There is a persisting rumour (with some graphical evidence in support) that HX will order both type.

[Edited 2011-11-08 04:41:40]

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17777 times:

Good news.
But I must say I´m surprised. Very likely both orders, for A380 and 748I, will be topped up. Beside Emirates Transaero seems to be the fastest growing airline worldwide. They´re sucking up the whole holiday market in Russia.

Quoting extra300 (Reply 3):
How many airlines have now ordered both 748 and A388? Lufthansa, Korean Air, Transaero and Hong Kong Airlines. Any more? Hong Kong Airlines orders are still "undisclosed" and Transaero orders are not firmed.
Did I get it right?

Yes. I hope some more airlines will follow and order both types.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17683 times:

This is very unusual for Transaero to order brandnew aircraft and I never expected them to order the A380, nor the 747-8I. Interesting and good luck to them of course!!!

A388


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17648 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
I must admit, I'm struggling to see the benefit of operating both types in (at least initially) such small numbers.

Well they do have a decent 747 fleet. I expect the 773s coming from SQ will replace the 742s, but that leaves 4 743s and 12 744s to replace so UN might want to have some flexibility in capacity on the upper end.


User currently offlinesf260 From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17619 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Maybe the two new heavies aren't such direct competitors as had been thought

Some people have been saying from the beginning [of the 747-8I launch] there was still a significant difference in size between the 2 VLA's.

After all, it seems the gap between the largest 1-deck wide-body (77W, A346) and the A380 is big enough to justify the existence of the 747-8I. Can't wait to see more -8I orders...   


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17458 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Well they do have a decent 747 fleet. I expect the 773s coming from SQ will replace the 742s, but that leaves 4 743s and 12 744s to replace so UN might want to have some flexibility in capacity on the upper end.

Most of Transaeros 744s have been aquired just this year, and they are fairly new, so I expect them to stay for the major part of this decade. The airline is just growing massively, so I do not see the new orders as being replacements, but additions.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2679 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17437 times:
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Quoting extra300 (Reply 3):
Hong Kong Airlines orders are still "undisclosed" and Transaero orders are not firmed.
Did I get it right?

HX was going to order 10 A380s, but it has been blocked by the Chinese government. HX also have 15 unconfirmed orders for the 747-8.



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17347 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
I'm struggling to see the benefit of operating both types in (at least initially) such small numbers.

Well with the A380 having 700 seats and the 748 with 460 seats, there's a substantial difference. Perhaps they liked the CASM of the A380 too much not to have it, but weren't sure about getting all of them filled if they went all-A380.

Quoting na (Reply 5):
Very likely both orders, for A380 and 748I, will be topped up.

Transaero still operates 744's, and although those probably will last until the end of the decade, eventually they need replacing as well (like the 2nd hand 773s). Then you have two healthy numbered subfleets....

Quoting na (Reply 5):
Yes. I hope some more airlines will follow and order both types.

So do I   Perhaps CX   



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User currently offlineA520 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17258 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
I must admit, I'm struggling to see the benefit of operating both types in (at least initially) such small numbers.

Politics!

To stay in good terms with both Europe (the largest economic partner), and the US (the largest political counterpart)!


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16783 times:

Quoting A520 (Reply 12):
Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
I must admit, I'm struggling to see the benefit of operating both types in (at least initially) such small numbers.

Politics!

To stay in good terms with both Europe (the largest economic partner), and the US (the largest political counterpart)!

 


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16723 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
They indicated they would when they signed for their A380s.


They kept their word.  . Good news as more 4-holers will remain visible in the sky for many years to come.

Quoting na (Reply 5):
Very likely both orders, for A380 and 748I, will be topped up


The more they are topped up, the more sense they will make. So bring on the rest of the bunch.  .


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11933 times:

Very nice to hear on a Tuesday! Glad to see that the 747-8i might possible be taking off, in terms of orders.. Transaero seems to have a significant amount of aircraft on order, growth plans? The new Aeroflot?

On a humorous note, at least now we'll have the opportunity to gander at what an Air France 747-8i might look like.

     

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 11):
Well with the A380 having 700 seats and the 748 with 460 seats, there's a substantial difference. Perhaps they liked the CASM of the A380 too much not to have it, but weren't sure about getting all of them filled if they went all-A380.

Exactly! This order goes to show that there's merit for airlines operating the A380 to operate the 747-8i as well! Glad to see this. For both EADS and Boeing.



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3736 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10208 times:

Thise great news!             See an order, for my two favorite airliner put me in a real good mode.   

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Quoting A520 (Reply 12):
Politics!

To stay in good terms with both Europe (the largest economic partner), and the US (the largest political counterpart)!

Transaero are not the national airline of Russia, so would it really matter?  



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User currently offlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting A520 (Reply 12):
Politics!

To stay in good terms with both Europe (the largest economic partner), and the US (the largest political counterpart)!

So LH ordered both types because of "politics" as well?


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

Quoting travelin man (Reply 18):
So LH ordered both types because of "politics" as well?

LH aint in Russia.



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User currently offlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 19):
LH aint in Russia.

Exactly. And for whatever reason LH thinks both types of aircraft are useful in its fleet.

So are you saying because it's a Russian airline, they can't come to the same conclusion without it being "politics"?


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8893 times:
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Quoting travelin man (Reply 20):
So are you saying because it's a Russian airline, they can't come to the same conclusion without it being "politics"?

It may be a perfect business solution for them but it may also be because when Lufthansa management p... off German politicians they still have a job, the Transaero guys don't dare go to the bathroom without Putins say so.


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Maybe the two new heavies aren't such direct competitors as had been thought and actually complement each other. BAW next!

The 748i and A380 may be complementary in certain circumstances but I think the 77W and 748i are not. Given BA has ordered the 77W I can't see why they'd ever need the 748i.



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User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Perhaps the fact that the A380 is only supported by a small number of airports has something to do with the fact that some airlines have ordered both the A380 and the 747-8i.

User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 23):

Both the A380 and 747-8i are ICAO Code F aircraft. The only difference operation-wise at airports should be ground equipment such as belt loaders, catering trucks and mobile stairs.



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25 r2rho : 467 pax is the generous standard 3-class seating and would be equivalent to the 525 seats on the A380. A more appropriate comparison is 581 (Boeing's
26 shankly : The A380 and the B748....the new A330/B777 fleet buddies On the numbers frigatebird. Indeed these facts just redefine what quite different aircraft th
27 windshear : I agree! Boaz.
28 something : That more than just operating numbers go into the purchasing decision process. I thought it was a well established fact that LH's 748 was a form of c
29 Stitch : It's a well-established theory expounded by some Airbus Aficionados...
30 na : Certainly wrong. See LH, were many 346s do exist, the equivalent of the 77W. BA has one of the biggest international route networks, and I am sure so
31 PIEAvantiP180 : This may be a dumb question but what ac does LH have or had that required them to get compensation in the first place? I can see how KE might have be
32 Post contains images EPA001 : LH wanted "Connexxion by Boeing" Internet access on their planes if I am not mistaken. Since that service was discontinued by Boeing (due to technica
33 Ronaldo747 : I see the A380 with the 700 seat config deployed on typical tourism destination like the Black Sea, one replacing 2 747 classics on certain routes. Gu
34 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day I doubt they have a choice. Airbus would likely be asking El Al to make a deposit covering the full list price of the aircraft ahead of even qu
35 alex572 : I assume exactly this scenario will be implemented. The intrigue is still what would be the final order figures, my guess they will at least double o
36 N14AZ : You both mean destinations such as Varna, Burgas and so on? Are these airports already A 380-ready?
37 Stitch : Connexion did launch (used it on LH, SQ, OZ, etc.), but Boeing lost money running it so they shut it down. Evidently Panasonic's system leverages muc
38 jfk787nyc : I really hope Transaero is really calculating their monies correctly. I am very familiar with Russian mentality and I really hope that just because th
39 alex572 : You are right, to put things correctly A380 area would be various leisure areas all over the Mideterranean (from Turkey to Spain) and not probably Bl
40 Severnaya : You do realize that Transaero is year after year increasing their passenger numbers with 15 to 20% annually?
41 Post contains images flightsimer : MORE 747-8I's!!!!!! Congrats Transaero! After this order, the current orders for the -8I stand at: 20x Lufthansa (20 options) 9x BBJ 5x Korean Airline
42 ghifty : Why would Airbus do such a thing? I'm confused.. Why would El Al be thrown into the mix? It would appear they cancelled their 787 orders before the p
43 flightsimer : The 100 would be just for the airlines who have ordered it already and have options on the bird. In addition to the known options, i think Air China
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