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Rumor: Emirates To Stockholm In 2012  
User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10797 times:

Hi,
Unconfirmed rumours say that Emirates is planning to start a route Dubai - Stockholm in October 2012. The route Dubai - Copenhagen was a success for Emirates so they think there is a market for further expansion in Scandinavia. According to rumours the route to Stockholm is planned initially with A330. What do you think about this?


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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10748 times:

That is definitely great news for Stockholm and LFV in Sweden. The F pier could do with a new tail at the gates  .

I have to admit that I would have though OSL would be on the list for Emirates as well as ARN... Maybe that will come later on but the 332 sounds like the best aircraft to start up the route.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Well, with EK, any destination in any remote part of the world could be a believable rumour, so I'll wait until something a bit more concrete.

The only thing that I find odd about the rumour, is that it is still a whole year until October 2012, but then again, October has been a popular start up time for Middle East Carriers to Scandinavia lately.

Personally, I was hoping that EK would expand to OSL and ARN by then.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 1):
I have to admit that I would have though OSL would be on the list for Emirates as well as ARN..

Maybe it is too. But maybe with all the new routes from OSL maybe ARN is better after all. Even if OSL has large airport much of the traffic is domestic and ARN is larger when it comes to international traffic. But I think Emirates will start routes to both ARN and OSL it is just that we have rumours going on right now coming out of Dubai with dates, aircraft type etc on a route to ARN. It says startup at ARN Oct 2012...



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User currently onlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

That´s great news. Hopefully the A332

Just read that Vueling are to fly BCN-ARN next year

Yeah baby, keep ém coming!

//Mike      



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

Just to be clear, the rumour is only saying the route to Stockholm will start. It says nothing about a route to OSL. But that does not mean a route to OSL may not be started by Emirates in 2012, that may happen as well, it is just that nothing is said about OSL.


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User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10555 times:

Excellent news if true!

I can say that without doubt one of the most booked routes will be ARN -DXB -MLE from Sweden!


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

Quoting Richie72 (Reply 6):
I can say that without doubt one of the most booked routes will be ARN -DXB -MLE from Sweden!

I think we will see much the same pattern as with Qatar from ARN... Transit to Singapore, Sydney, Kuala Lumpur and perhaps even Hong Kong. Time will tell but lets see the route started first  



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User currently offlineF28 From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 7):

Does anybody know were all pax go to from Doha? I meen besides BKK. Which airports come next? Anyhow.....EK is just a rumor. I belive it when I se it.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10084 times:

Great news if ture, but like some others I'll wait for an announcement of some sort before being too excited. But ofcourse EK will fly to ARN and OSL one day, it's a question of when, not if.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4515 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Belgian media have been reporting an imminent launch of EK flights to Brussels as well. With the addition of so much new capacity, it is likely that EK will announce a number of new service soon.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9637 times:

Quoting F28 (Reply 8):
Does anybody know were all pax go to from Doha? I meen besides BKK. Which airports come next? Anyhow.....EK is just a rumor. I belive it when I se it.

Isn't there a big population in Sweden of Iranian, Pakistani and other S. Asian descent? QR has extensive routes to both these countries (as well as many others).

Then, of course, there is Singapore, KL, HK as well, possibly even E and S. Africa.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Belgian media have been reporting an imminent launch of EK flights to Brussels as well. With the addition of so much new capacity, it is likely that EK will announce a number of new service soon.

Good news (though not for Jet and Etihad!)

EK is taking another eight 77Ws over the next few months and in addition to these, there will also be a good few more A380s; as these A380s are sent to the larger markets, they will also release the 77Ws to add new services. EK is certainly on a major expansion drive now; great to see it!


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9462 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
as these A380s are sent to the larger markets, they will also release the 77Ws to add new services.

or replace A330s on some routes where a 3rd daily flight has been added.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9349 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Belgian media have been reporting an imminent launch of EK flights to Brussels as well. With the addition of so much new capacity, it is likely that EK will announce a number of new service soon.

With how many aircraft EK is receiving, they have to expand somewhere.  
Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
EK is taking another eight 77Ws over the next few months and in addition to these, there will also be a good few more A380s; as these A380s are sent to the larger markets, they will also release the 77Ws to add new services.

I've forgotten EK's deliveries for the next year. Does anyone have a list of:
1. 8 77Ws (time frame? I'll assume 'near term)
2. 3 more A388s in 2011 (per A380 production thread #10, latest update)
3. 9 more A388s in 2012 (Mostly later in year.)
4. X number of 77Ws not in the above list.

That is a huge number of new potential routes and frequencies just among the 20 aircraft quickly identified.

I wonder if any routes will go 7X/week A388 vs. 10X/week 77W. The 7X/week A388 should be more profitable...
This could allow further new route introductions.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
Isn't there a big population in Sweden of Iranian, Pakistani and other S. Asian descent? QR has extensive routes to both these countries (as well as many others).

Actually not that big groups of South Asians (I think you're thinking of Norway). The Iranian population on the other hand is huge. IR used to fly 747s even on IKA-GOT before they were banned.

Other than that, both QR and EK would be able to fill the majority of seats with swedes traveling to BKK.

//Alex



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User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting cityairline (Reply 14):
Actually not that big groups of South Asians (I think you're thinking of Norway). The Iranian population on the other hand is huge. IR used to fly 747s even on IKA-GOT before they were banned.

Yes, Norway has a quite large Pakistani community since the early 1970's (especially Oslo area).

PIA Pakistan even operates direct flights from Oslo to Islamabad and Lahore 2/3 times a week with B777 the last 10 years or so...

[Edited 2011-11-09 01:38:03]

User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8028 times:

EK is present nearly anywhere else - so why not ARN

I think that would make a great addition to the internation destination list

I just found the following statement on the EK website:

Quote:
Emirates flies to 12 of the EU’s 27 Member States (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Greece, Malta, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Sweden and Spain) operating a total of 37 passenger flights to and from the EU each day, as well as 22 all-cargo flights per week.

does the "Sweden" in there only count for cargo or is that a hint for coming passenger service?

[Edited 2011-11-09 02:05:03]


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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting photophil (Reply 16):
Emirates flies to 12 of the EU’s 27 Member States (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Greece, Malta, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Sweden and Spain) operating a total of 37 passenger flights to and from the EU each day, as well as 22 all-cargo flights per week.

does the "Sweden" in there only count for cargo or is that a hint for coming passenger service?

Not sure what that refers to, but EK does fly to Denmark and is not on that list. It would be helpful if you provided us with a link so we could see for ourselves.



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7860 times:

Expect more surpises for Emirates planned expantion into Scandinavia 

User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7739 times:

According to reliable sources I am told that Emirates will also start up OSL with A330-200 at about the same time as Stockholm next year. Gulf Air will according to the same sources also start up a route to Stockholm - ARN in 2012. Etihad is also looking at Stockholm (but not OSL). According to the same sources Qatar and Etihad are also looking at Gothenburg - GOT... puhhh

Obviously a lot will happen next year.



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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 19):
According to reliable sources I am told that Emirates will also start up OSL with A330-200 at about the same time as Stockholm next year. Gulf Air will according to the same sources also start up a route to Stockholm - ARN in 2012. Etihad is also looking at Stockholm (but not OSL). According to the same sources Qatar and Etihad are also looking at Gothenburg - GOT... puhhh

Hope this is true! Would be great for GOT and ARN with some new international destinations!


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 20):
Hope this is true! Would be great for GOT and ARN with some new international destinations!

Some of those routes are probably being negotiated now with the airports involved and with governments for traffic rights.



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User currently offlineRaptor1090 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
I've forgotten EK's deliveries for the next year. Does anyone have a list of:
1. 8 77Ws (time frame? I'll assume 'near term)
2. 3 more A388s in 2011 (per A380 production thread #10, latest update)
3. 9 more A388s in 2012 (Mostly later in year.)
4. X number of 77Ws not in the above list.

That is a huge number of new potential routes and frequencies just among the 20 aircraft quickly identified.

I wonder if any routes will go 7X/week A388 vs. 10X/week 77W. The 7X/week A388 should be more profitable...
This could allow further new route introductions.

Lightsaber

EK will receive 52 aircraft over the next 18-20 months. All 77Ws ans A380s.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...hnology/2016349190_emirates29.html


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7008 times:
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Quoting Raptor1090 (Reply 22):
EK will receive 52 aircraft over the next 18-20 months. All 77Ws ans A380s.

   Thank you. I've read that link before, but forgot the 52 aircraft in 20 months.    That is a staggering expansion.

I guess the question, that won't be answered here, is how many aircraft will they retire?   

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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

Quoting Raptor1090 (Reply 22):
EK will receive 52 aircraft over the next 18-20 months. All 77Ws ans A380s.

That makes things exciting. Should be a lot of new routes and added frequencies to current routes. The only problem is, it seems destinations like ARN, OSL, GOT, and many other European destinations would be best started with something A330 size, but with the lack of A330, some new routes must be started with 77W's, and I'm not too sure that will be easy, even for the likes of EK.

-CXfirst



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25 Navigator : I think Emirates will upgrade some other routes from A330 to 77W to free A330-200:s for use on routes to ARN and OSL. I think it is highly unlikely t
26 CXfirst : For sure, But even if they upgauged every single A330 route, there would still be many more 77W's coming in. But I guess we'll see the end of the 777
27 Navigator : The 77W is an economists dream!! The reason the 748 is doing so badly is because of the extreme performance of the 77W. Who needs the 748 when the 77
28 Post contains links and images sf260 : According to Spottingworld's A380 production list, it is 10 for 2012 (with 8 of them being delivered in the second half). Around 15 is my guess. I re
29 photophil : that would bring Qatar, Emirates, Gulf and Etihad into ARN ... that a lot of carriers from the same area, isn't it? Especially if you compare with ho
30 hal9213 : Seriously, you'd wish its NOT the A332. It has by far the worst and oldest cabin of the EK fleet. But new EU routes are almost always opened with the
31 HB-IWC : AMS and GVA were started with B77W/B77L, MAD was started with A343 and LED will operate with A343/A345. So not always an A332 to start with. CPH has
32 CXfirst : IFE wise you're right. But comfort wise, I much more enjoyed the EK A332 than the EK 77W. One of the main reasons I haven't flown EK in Y lately, it
33 Navigator : It is demand that drives this expansion. A lot of traffic from Stockholm to Asia goes via HEL due to lack of direct routes to serve all markets in As
34 hal9213 : I wonder why... Maybe its some time ago and you caught a 77W still with old seats? Pitch is less, the cushions are harder, everything is dirty, worn
35 Post contains images Navigator : Airlines tend to refurbish their cabins at certain intervals. If you are lucky to fly in a completely refurbished or even new plane one day, the next
36 photophil : But I think Finnair has a huge advantage for asian routes against Emirates & Co ... they are in the right direction. All these "new" connections
37 CXfirst : Well pitch on the A330 is 32 inches, which isn't the best, but still is quite standard, compared to 33 inches on the 777-200LR (which flies the route
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