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OAG Changes 11/11/2011: AC/B6/DL/FL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear. I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


*AA JFK-BUD JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0
AA ORD-BDL JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4

AC ABE-YYZ DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.4
AC ALB-YYZ DEC 1.5>1.3 JAN 1.7>1.5
AC BDL-YYZ DEC 4>3
AC BNA-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.5
AC BOS-YYZ DEC 8>7
AC CVG-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3 JAN 1.7>1.5
AC DCA-YOW DEC 2>1.7 JAN 2>1.9
AC GRR-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3 JAN 1.7>1.6
AC IND-YYZ DEC 1.9>1.5 JAN 1.8>1.7
AC MDT-YYZ DEC 1.7>1.3 JAN 1.9>1.6
AC MEM-YYZ DEC 1.0>0.9
AC MKE-YYZ DEC 1.7>1.3 JAN 1.7>1.5
AC PVD-YYZ DEC 1.5>1.2 JAN 1.6>1.5
AC RIC-YYZ DEC 1.7>1.4 JAN 1.7>1.5
AC ROC-YYZ DEC 1.8>1.4 JAN 1.9>1.6
AC STL-YYZ DEC 1.7>1.5 JAN 1.7>1.6
AC SYR-YYZ DEC 1.9>1.5 JAN 1.8>1.7

AM SAT-MEX FEB 4>3
AM SAT-MTY JAN 0.8>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9

AS SEA-SNA JAN 8>7 FEB 9>8

AV IAD-BOG DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.8>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0

MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0

AZ LAX-FCO JUN 0.4>0.7 JUL 0.4>1.0
AZ MIA-FCO JUL 0.9>1.0

B6 BOS-RDU MAR 3>4 APR 3>4

B6 extended their schedule to include MAY/JUN/JUL 2012, because there was no prior schedule to compare, these changes are versus the same months in 2011
B6 BDL-PBI MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
B6 BDL-SJU MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JUN 1.1>0.7 JUL 1.2>0.7
B6 BOS-BUF MAY 3>4 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
B6 BOS-CUN MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
*B6 BOS-IAD JUN 6>4 JUL 6>4
B6 BOS-OAK MAY 0.3>0.2
B6 BOS-PBI MAY 4>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
B6 BOS-PUJ MAY 0.2>0.3
B6 BOS-SDQ MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.9>1.0
B6 BOS-SJC MAY 1.0>0.7
B6 BOS-SJU JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
B6 BOS-STI MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0.2>0.5 JUL 0.5>0.7
*B6 FLL-BUF MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
B6 FLL-NAS MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
B6 HPN-NAS MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
B6 HPN-RSW MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.4>1.0
I'm starting to think they will close IAD if they win the DCA slot bid.
*B6 IAD-OAK MAY 1.0>0.7
B6 JAX-SJU MAY 0.4>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA JUN 1.4>1.5 JUL 2>3
B6 JFK-BGI JUL 1.6>1.0
B6 JFK-BQN JUL 3>2
B6 JFK-BQN JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
B6 JFK-BUF MAY 9>8 JUL 8>9
B6 JFK-BUR JUL 3>2
B6 JFK-CUN JUN 2.0>1.8 JUL 3>2
B6 JFK-KIN JUL 1.0>1.5
*B6 JFK-LIR MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.7
*B6 JFK-LRM MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
B6 JFK-MBJ MAY 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.5>2
B6 JFK-MSY JUL 2>3
B6 JFK-ORD MAY 3>2
B6 JFK-PBI MAY 6>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
B6 JFK-POP JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
B6 JFK-PSE JUN 1.1>1.0 JUL 1.3>1.0
B6 JFK-PUJ JUL 1.6>2
B6 JFK-RDU JUL 4>3
B6 JFK-ROC MAY 5>4
B6 JFK-SFO MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
B6 JFK-SYR JUL 3>4
B6 JFK-TPA MAY 4>5
B6 LGB-PDX MAY 3>2
B6 LGB-SMF MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
B6 MCO-BOG MAY 0.7>1.0
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.6>1.0 JUN 2>1.3
B6 MCO-BUF MAY 1.1>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
B6 MCO-IAD MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
B6 MCO-PSE JUN 1.7>2
B6 MCO-SDQ MAY 0.7>1.0
B6 MCO-SJU MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
B6 MCO-SYR JUN 1.8>1.3
B6 SJU-SDQ MAY 3>4 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
I hadn't realized they were flying this much SJU feed
*B6 SJU-STT MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
*B6 SJU-STX MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*B6 SJU-SXM MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
B6 SJU-TPA MAY 1.3>2

BB SJU-VQS DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0 FEB 1.3>1.0 MAR 1.3>1.0 APR 1.3>1.0

MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.0 JUL 1.3>1.0
BB STX-VQS DEC 0.8>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0 MAR 0.8>1.0 MAY 0.9>1.0 JUN 0.8>1.0
BB VQS-SJU DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.8>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0

MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0

CA SPN-PEK JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2

DL ATL-CHA MAR 10>11 APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11
*DL ATL-CID MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
DL ATL-FLL MAR 14>13
DL ATL-MCO MAR 15>16
DL ATL-MOB JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL ATL-MSN MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
DL ATL-STT MAY 1.6>1.1
DL ATL-TPA MAY 11>12 JUN 11>12 JUL 11>12
DL DTW-DFW FEB 5>6
DL DTW-MKE MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
*DL DTW-NGO JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
DL DTW-YQB MAR 2.0>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 added freq in this market last week.
*DL JFK-SFO JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL MSP-PIR DEC 0>1.0
DL MSP-SJC JAN 0.9>0.6
*DL MSP-TYS MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
DL MSP-YXE JAN 2>1.8
*DL SLC-GDL JAN 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0
DL SLC-MEX JAN 1.0>0.9 MAY 1.0>0.9
DL SLC-PVR MAY 0.3>0.1
DL SLC-SJD MAY 0.9>0.7
DL SPN-NRT MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2

EP BAM-THR DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.2>0

F9 DEN-SJO FEB 0.6>0.8 MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>0.8

F9 also is dropping BKG-PHX, I wonder if BKG is out of money or remaking Branson Air Express.
*FL BKG-HOU DEC 0.6>0.1 APR 0.9>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.5
*FL BKG-MDW DEC 0.5>0.0 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.1>0.5 JUN 0.1>0.0
FL BWI-BKG DEC 0.2>0.1
FL BWI-SJU JAN 2>1.9
FL MKE-CUN MAY 0>0.1
This was just added a week or so ago.
*FL PIT-CUN MAY 0.1>0

G4 ABE-PIE JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-BIL MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-CID JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-DLH MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-FSD MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4 JUL 0.7>0.4
G4 AZA-GTF JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-MOT MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-RFD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 BGR-FLL MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.2
G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.7>0.2 JUN 0.7>0.1 JUL 0.7>0.2
G4 BGR-SFB MAY 1.0>0.3 JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 1.0>0.3
G4 CID-LAS JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 FLL-PBG MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 GSP-SFB JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 LEX-PGD MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 PBG-SFB MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-RFD MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-YNG MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3

IB JFK-MAD JAN 1.5>1.3

JL ROR-NRT DEC 0>0.2

KE GUM-KIX MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
*KE LAX-NRT DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

LA MIA-CCS JAN 0.3>0.4

LO ORD-WAW MAY 1.1>1.3

M5 BFI-CLM APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
M5 BFI-ESD DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
M5 BFI-FRD DEC 1.0>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN

1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
M5 ESD-FRD DEC 1.0>0

OZ CLT-SEA APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
OZ LAX-PHL JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
OZ PHL-SEA MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

TA JFK-SAL DEC 1.5>1.8

TS FLL-YYZ DEC 0.2>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.8 MAR 0.4>0.9 APR 0.4>0.9
TS MCO-YUL DEC 0.2>0.5 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.6>0.8 MAR 0.7>0.9 APR 0.6>0.9

Anybody want to draw greater significance about these hubs?
*UA EWR-EZE APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*UA IAD-EZE APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

These are mostly normal seasonal changes, US just doesn't file their default future schedule very accurately for peaks and valleys.
US CLT-LAX MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US CLT-PBI MAY 6>5 JUN 6>4 JUL 6>4
*US CLT-SEA APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
US CLT-SFO MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
*US CLT-SLC MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
US CLT-TPA MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8 JUL 9>8
US DCA-TPA MAR 4>5 APR 4>5
US PHL-BOS MAR 15>18 APR 15>19 MAY 15>19 JUN 15>18 JUL 15>19
US PHL-DEN MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
US PHL-FLL MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
US PHL-LAX MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>6 JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6
US PHL-MCO JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-MIA JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US PHL-PBI JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US PHL-RSW MAY 4>3 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
US PHL-SAN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
*US PHL-SEA MAR 1.0>1.9 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>4 JUN 1.0>4 JUL 1.0>4
US PHL-SFO APR 3>4 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
US PHL-TPA MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
US PHX-FLL MAR 2>3
US PHX-MCO MAR 3>4
US PHX-YEG MAY 2>1.1 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
*US PHX-ZLO MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1

WG SJU-YYZ JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.1>0

Anything left to cut at GO?
YV HNL-KOA DEC 6>4
YV HNL-LIH DEC 6>5
YV KOA-HNL DEC 6>4
YV LIH-HNL DEC 6>5

28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Anybody want to draw greater significance about these hubs?
*UA EWR-EZE APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*UA IAD-EZE APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

I wouldn't look too much into it. There were a few routes out of IAD (EZE, DME, ACC) that had a decent chance of being moved to EWR because of their unique nature. We'll see what happens with DME/ACC, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get moved to EWR.

However, with UA also moving the 2nd EWR-DUB and 2nd EWR-MAN to IAD, it's pretty clear that IAD is still going to be a pretty important international gateway for UA.


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ CLT-SEA APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
OZ LAX-PHL JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
OZ PHL-SEA MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

US codeshare?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7657 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-CCS JAN 0.3>0.4

Extra seasonal direct flights between SCL and MIA via CCS. LAN will operate SCL-CCS-MIA and MIA-CCS-SCL 3x weekly (B763), alongside the regular weekly SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA and MIA-CCS-GYE-SCL B763 operated flights.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2991 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-SJC MAY 1.0>0.7

I thought B6 was ending BOS-SJC. Does this mean the route will continue?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-SJC JAN 0.9>0.6

If I'm understanding this correctly, SJC-MSP isn't even once daily anymore? Another "benefit" of an airline merger. NW flew the route twice daily, and from what I understand it did very well.


User currently offlineskoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 FLL-BUF MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

Didn't see this coming, wasn't this one of B6's founding routes?

They are taking MCO-BUF to 2x however, so all Florida lift is not lost, but still seems crazy that they're cutting FLL out totally.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting skoker (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 FLL-BUF MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

Didn't see this coming, wasn't this one of B6's founding routes?

B6's first routes were JFK-BUF and JFK-FLL, but they did not initially fly nonstop between BUF and FLL.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AV IAD-BOG DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.8>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0

Indeed, from the 4th December AV goes daily on BOG-IAD. Good to complement those code shares with UA.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
There were a few routes out of IAD (EZE, DME, ACC) that had a decent chance of being moved to EWR because of their unique nature. We'll see what happens with DME/ACC, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get moved to EWR.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
However, with UA also moving the 2nd EWR-DUB and 2nd EWR-MAN to IAD, it's pretty clear that IAD is still going to be a pretty important international gateway for UA.

Basically EWR gets the heavily local routes and IAD gets the heavily connecting routes. That makes sense, but is it sustainable long term? It will definitely make EWR more profitable and IAD less profitable. Heavily local routes are by definition more profitable than connecting-based routes.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
I thought B6 was ending BOS-SJC. Does this mean the route will continue?

It ends in JAN, resumes in MAY.

Quoting skoker (Reply 5):
Didn't see this coming, wasn't this one of B6's founding routes?

It's probably just going to be seasonal. Doesn't surprise me.


User currently offlineJaxMan19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JAX-SJU MAY 0.4>1.0

Looks like this route is doing well, bet B6 didn't think it would go this way.....


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US CLT-SEA APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHL-SEA MAR 1.0>1.9 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>4 JUN 1.0>4 JUL 1.0>4

This appears to be more than a slight upgauge in frequency on some long stage lengths. Is US getting the extra lift from other routes they are cutting, or from new planes being delivered? Maybe preempting AS to keep them off these.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting JaxMan19 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JAX-SJU MAY 0.4>1.0

Looks like this route is doing well, bet B6 didn't think it would go this way.....

It does look like the season is getting a little earlier. I wonder if those SJU feed routes are helping?


User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*FL BKG-HOU DEC 0.6>0.1 APR 0.9>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.5
*FL BKG-MDW DEC 0.5>0.0 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.1>0.5 JUN 0.1>0.0
FL BWI-BKG DEC 0.2>0.1

I'm not surprised that FL's new WN management is making cutbacks at BKG. Chances are that FL is bleeding at BKG more than the airport/hotel exclusive route subsidies (that are only possible because BKG doesn't receive FAA funding) can cover.

I wouldn't be surprised if WN management cuts BKG completely.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Heavily local routes are by definition more profitable than connecting-based routes.

Yes, but the contrast with, say, US and PHL and CLT is that IAD has pretty healthy international O&D and is much less fragmented than NYC. UA's share of, say, WAS-LON or WAS-PAR is almost assuredly a lot higher than CO's share of NYC-LON and NYC-PAR, and it wouldn't shock me if the number of local passengers carried on a route like IAD-LHR is almost as high as the number carried on EWR-LHR.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
It does look like the season is getting a little earlier. I wonder if those SJU feed routes are helping?

That's probably helping a lot. There's virtually no O&D between JAX and SJU. Around 20 PDEW last time I heard.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Basically EWR gets the heavily local routes and IAD gets the heavily connecting routes. That makes sense, but is it sustainable long term? It will definitely make EWR more profitable and IAD less profitable.

But that's assuming that IAD-EZE was heavily local and that IAD-DUB and IAD-MAN will be mostly connecting, however you have nothing to prove that. I tend to think that IAD which has a metropolitan population of over 5.5 million to service can put a decent number of local butts in seats. Comparatively, IAD has relatively weak feed compared to many other transatlantic hubs (DTW, ATL, PHL, etc), yet supports a significant number of international flights, so clearly there must be some O+D.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 12):
I'm not surprised that FL's new WN management is making cutbacks at BKG.

It might not be FL's management, it might be BKG because the F9 service is also getting scaled back and it is all under subsidy. Another important point is that BKG expected a WN code share on the BKG service to WN hubs and it was delayed and delayed.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Yes, but the contrast with, say, US and PHL and CLT is that IAD has pretty healthy international O&D and is much less fragmented than NYC.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 15):
But that's assuming that IAD-EZE was heavily local and that IAD-DUB and IAD-MAN will be mostly connecting,

I can't post int'l traffic data because it violates U.S. law, but the market to DUB and MAN from IAD is tiny. So, I'm not working in the absence of data. EZE will surely do better at EWR. DUB/MAN will probably be worse at IAD, but they may also need to offload some of EWR's flights because that airport is full.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
There's virtually no O&D between JAX and SJU. Around 20 PDEW last time I heard.

It's grown a lot with B6 low fares and the market traditionally drove to MCO.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*KE LAX-NRT DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

How long has this route been operated? Guess that leaves SQ as the sole non-US/Japanese carrier.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4826 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
DUB/MAN will probably be worse at IAD

Is one IAD-DUB worse than 2 EWR-DUB....not to mention JFK-DUB being flown by multiple carriers?

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
I can't post int'l traffic data because it violates U.S. law, but the market to DUB and MAN from IAD is tiny.

In part because their is no nonstop service...often meaning an undesirable connection in places like EWR, JFK or LHR!!


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CID MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3

I was pleasantly surprised to see this other other day, the times are good too, the 2nd flight (departs CID @ 10:30am) arrives midday and the evening departure (departs CID @ 4:30PM) times well to international flights to Europe and South America. I'm wondering if the upgauge has a little to do with rising prices on MLI-ATL since FL pulled out and maybe CID is seeing less leakage now. Plus CID can pull better from Iowa City and the ALO area. Im also wondering if they want to be compettive with southbound flights since UA has CID-IAH now and AA has always been strong to DFW.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 19):
Plus CID can pull better from Iowa City and the ALO area.

Better, yes, but CID probably needs another DTW flight or two before it's going to be significantly more competitive for a lot of Iowa City traffic that is going to MLI. I've had a couple of business trips to Iowa City recently and have found MLI meets my needs a lot better.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):

Better, yes, but CID probably needs another DTW flight or two before it's going to be significantly more competitive for a lot of Iowa City traffic that is going to MLI. I've had a couple of business trips to Iowa City recently and have found MLI meets my needs a lot better.

which is too bad since CID essentialy is also Iowa City's airport also and about 15 miles away (many tickets get coded as Cedar Rapids/Iowa City). I know CID-DTW is at 4x daily, not sure how many flights MLI has to DTW. None the less Im thrilled to see ATL go to 3x daily and that DL is trying to beef up its CID schedule. Especially since the service was cut for nearly 2 years.

[Edited 2011-11-08 17:14:49]

User currently onlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MSP-TYS MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0


Looks like this route will become like RIC and just operate on a pure summer schedule


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
If I'm understanding this correctly, SJC-MSP isn't even once daily anymore? Another "benefit" of an airline merger. NW flew the route twice daily, and from what I understand it did very well.

Where does your info come from that NW did very well on this route?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*KE LAX-NRT DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

How long has this route been operated? Guess that leaves SQ as the sole non-US/Japanese carrier.

I don't know the history, but I remember seeing it every time I have looked at the route.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 18):
In part because their is no nonstop service

In part, yes...but IAD markets even with non-stop service are routinely 80% smaller than NYC plus DUB/MAN do not have strong ties to WAS in terms of business traffic. They are largely tourism markets and making them more weighted toward connecting service will depress the yields. I'm just saying that I would bet they were moved to IAD partially because EWR is choked and not specifically to improve their financial performance. Conversely, I think the opposite is true of EZE.


25 lucky777 : LMFAO....has there ever been even 1 OAG change where you didn't take a jab or backhanded comment with regards to Delta? Why do you have such a hard-o
26 enilria : There is nothing in that comment that expresses anything positive or negative about Delta. I make comments about all the carriers. That's what this t
27 BoeingGuy : Where else do I get most of my airline information? Someone posted it previously on A.net. Is that not true? Does SJC-MSP not perform well?
28 enilria : It only runs 19 times in January, but those kinds of Winter cuts to transcons are not all that unusual these days.
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