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The A380 And Its "wow" Factor  
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21926 times:

I have just returned from my first return trip on an A380. I flew LHR-SIN-LHR with Singapore Airlines on their two newest birds 9V-SKM and 9V-SKN.

I have to admit that the aircraft is absolutely stunning inside with a lot more space in economy and offering much better entertainment options and facilities than other aircraft. However I feel SQ have not done enough with it by leaving out mood lighting in Y class and not having the option to view the tail/nose cameras.

Airbus have themselves said that the A380 has become a factor for many passengers to choose flying with a certain airline (along with cost, schedule, etc).

My question to you all is, does the A380's so called "wow" factor with airlines like SQ, AF, LH and EK mean other airlines could be persuaded to order it knowing that the competition have hit marketing gold by operating the type?


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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21799 times:

I thought viewing the nose and tail cams was available to all classes? Unless thats just SQ and it available with EK or something.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21739 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 1):
I thought viewing the nose and tail cams was available to all classes? Unless thats just SQ and it available with EK or something.

I flew in Y and it is most definitely not available there... I'm not sure if it is in other classes.



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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21642 times:

Wow, oh well i will defeinatly want a window seat then as when i do get to fly an A380 i would go in normal class (cant see the point of paying more when i can save that money for the destination like buying more stuff, etc) Hope they do have the othe normal things like the following map and films.

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21509 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
My question to you all is, does the A380's so called "wow" factor with airlines like SQ, AF, LH and EK mean other airlines could be persuaded to order it knowing that the competition have hit marketing gold by operating the type?

No.

I think this "wow" factor is no more than the simple fact that the A380 is currently new and novel. According to SeatGuru, SQ offers exactly the same seats in economy, in exactly the same pitch and width as they do on the 77W. According to PlaneHunter's LH A380 trip report ( Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380 (by PlaneHunter Oct 21 2011 in Trip Reports) ) LH's A380 actually offers narrower seats than their 744, A343 and A330. By contrast, KE's 407 seat A380 looks incredibly spacious and comfortable, even in economy class with 18" wide seats and 34" pitch.

This "wow" factor, therefore, depends very much on how the airlines configure their aircraft. Airlines could potentially configure a 747-8 with less than 300 seats and achieve a similar feel of spaciousness throughout its cabin. It's not the aircraft itself, it is the airline's configuration of that aircraft that makes the ride either a pleasant or unpleasant experience. Put simply, the "A380 effect" is overrated.

I've also argued in various threads that it is bad business practice to purchase an aircraft just to keep up with the Joneses. A number of airlines are operating the A380. So what? Why would an airline order one just because their competition has one? All because of some deluded sense of a "wow" factor that will disappear several years down the track, just like the "wow" factor for the 747 had disappeared long ago? It has to make sense for that particular airline to have the A380 in its fleet before they commit to it, and just because their competitors have a fleet of them isn't reason enough to buy some for themselves.

Besides, even if there was such a thing as a "wow" factor, then the 787 should have even more of it than the A380, because the 787 is brand new with fancy gizmos such as electrochromatic windows, hands-free lavatories etc etc. Should airlines then start buying the 787 because of a "wow" factor? Or should they buy it simply because it's the best plane for its needs? I don't think a "wow" factor plays a very big role in aircraft purchasing decisions, nor should it.

[Edited 2011-11-08 08:23:10]


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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21402 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
Besides, even if there was such a thing as a "wow" factor, then the 787 should have even more of it than the A380, because the 787 is brand new with fancy gizmos such as electrochromatic windows, hands-free lavatories etc etc. Should airlines then start buying the 787 because of a "wow" factor? Or should they buy it simply because it's the best plane for its needs? I don't think a "wow" factor plays a very big role in aircraft purchasing decisions, nor should it.

You can't be objective in the wow factor argument, "the 787 has this feature and that special gizmo". This is like what happens in the smart phone debate, one manufacurer may well mee or exceed the specifications on paper but if they don't make the person say wow then it doesn't matter.

My fiance knows what the A380 is and can even spot them for herself (she has no interest in it) but has no clue what a 787 is, "just looks like all the others" was her comment.

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 21071 times:

Remember when the 747 started flying? And many airlines ordered them, because of that "wow" factor, then found it was too much aircraft for them. DL & EA come to mind. With fuel way more expensive than it was in 1969, I'd expect airlines are less apt to buy the A-380 for it's wow factor, than actual need. As my screen name suggests, I'd love to see an airline like RW flying the A-380, but the obsurdity of that just makes me LOL.   


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20856 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
I think this "wow" factor is no more than the simple fact that the A380 is currently new and novel.

There's a line missing from your post: ' When I flew it.....'. How are you judging 'WOW' otherwise?

For those who have flown it it certainly does have a load of Wow. For the first time economy passengers get tons of space to move around and stand in. It has made long haul travel for economy passengers bearable, unlike any other aircraft before it.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
hands-free lavatories

Wait till they break down. Wow.

The 787 is just another two engined aircraft where tons of people get squeezed into a tube and feel like they are sitting on someone else's lap, with a TV 2 inches from their nose. Great.


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20761 times:
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I think that we here on A.NET are not the best people to ask.

My hairdresser just got back om a trip to Dubai, she flew EK and on an A380, she thought is was fantastic and on future trips will go out of her way to travel on an A380 again, this is the wow factor appeal, at least in this case.



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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20635 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
No.

I think this "wow" factor is no more than the simple fact that the A380 is currently new and novel.

Having not flown the 380 yet I can't comment on how it is onboard, but every new place a 380 touches down there are hundreds if not thousands of people there to meet it. That for sure counts for "Wow factor" in my book.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20625 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
I flew in Y and it is most definitely not available there... I'm not sure if it is in other classes.

Air France has this in Y


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6944 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20424 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
I think this "wow" factor is no more than the simple fact that the A380 is currently new and novel. According to SeatGuru, SQ offers exactly the same seats in economy, in exactly the same pitch and width as they do on the 77W. According to PlaneHunter's LH A380 trip report ( Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380 (by PlaneHunter Oct 21 2011 in Trip Reports) ) LH's A380 actually offers narrower seats than their 744, A343 and A330. By contrast, KE's 407 seat A380 looks incredibly spacious and comfortable, even in economy class with 18" wide seats and 34" pitch.

This "wow" factor, therefore, depends very much on how the airlines configure their aircraft. Airlines could potentially configure a 747-8 with less than 300 seats and achieve a similar feel of spaciousness throughout its cabin. It's not the aircraft itself, it is the airline's configuration of that aircraft that makes the ride either a pleasant or unpleasant experience. Put simply, the "A380 effect" is overrated.

Well said. Thanks for the link.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 7):
It has made long haul travel for economy passengers bearable, unlike any other aircraft before it.

How exactly? Have you read my LH report?


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4987 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20375 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
LH's A380 actually offers narrower seats than their 744, A343 and A330.

Maybe the seats are smaller, but the cabin width over which they can distribute them is of course way better then on their A343, A330 and B744's. So even smaller seats will most like give more seating space and a more spacious feeling.  .

Due to it's sheer size the A380 will always have a specific wow factor, and more then any other civil aviation airliner.

[Edited 2011-11-08 11:23:58]

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6944 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20336 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):
So even smaller seats will most like give more seating space and a more spacious feeling.

I cannot confirm that.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20302 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Airbus have themselves said that the A380 has become a factor for many passengers to choose flying with a certain airline (along with cost, schedule, etc).

Most of that is marketing hype. Few Y class passengers care about anything other than the lowest fare and don't consider aircraft type.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19580 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Few Y class passengers care about anything other than the lowest fare and don't consider aircraft type.

That may be true here in Europe but I do believe that Asian pax will make an effort to choose the A380 because they like the kudos of flying with this aircraft.


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19398 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):
So even smaller seats will most like give more seating space and a more spacious feeling.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
I cannot confirm that.

I however can. I flew LH's A380 JFK-FRA last month in a window seat in Y, and I indeed got a feeling of spaciousness: the window is further away, the ceiling is higher up, the aisle is wider.

And then there are those wicked outside cameras. Gotta love them.



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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19249 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):


Due to it's sheer size the A380 will always have a specific wow factor, and more then any other civil aviation airliner

Agreed, a big portion of its wow factor is its overall size!



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User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18942 times:

Working for an airline that does not fly jumbos, I can definately say that there is a wow factor with certain aircraft that ordinary passengers uphold. Whilst it will not figure in an accountants head when making a purchasing decision, a number of seat sales are definitely down to aircraft type in certain circumstances. The 747 still holds esteem with passengers, it is part of the fabric of popular culture. Just searching the internet will show passengers travelling LGW - MCO who choose VS as they fly 747s and the discontent when they found out new A330s were on the route.

User currently offlinegeorgiaame From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18761 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
hands-free lavatories

Excuse me???



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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18453 times:

I only flew on SQ's 9V-SKA once (SIN-SYD), and found it not overly different from any widebody. Of course, if you are sitting in yout seat you don't "feel" that there is another deck below (or above) you. IFE and service were SQ style friendly, efficient and good quality. I had the feeling (and I acknowledge that it is just a personal feeling) seat pitch was even less than on SQ's 777s. However, I was lucky to have a Y-window-seat on the upper deck, and the storage is just amazing - both the storage space itself, but also the fact that it gives you much more space for your arm - it feels less cramped. And I can confirm: No cameras (at least not on -SKA). Haven't been on any other A380s yet, but know that EK does have the cams in all classes.
Will be on LH's A380 coming Monday NRT-FRA - will be interesting to experience that one! The great thing is that LH has all Y on the main deck, and thus you can get a seat in the nose section in Y!!!

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User currently offlinecharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18068 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
My question to you all is, does the A380's so called "wow" factor with airlines like SQ, AF, LH and EK mean other airlines could be persuaded to order it knowing that the competition have hit marketing gold by operating the type?

Glad to see you enjoyed your A380 experience! I highly doubt that the "wow" factor would force more than a handful of airlines to order any aircraft but the A380 certainly generates a buzz everywhere it goes, even after four years of its introduction in passenger service. It has probably generated more press coverage and reactions from casual observes than any other aircraft since the B747 first began to appear at airports. I bet that most folks who can't tell apart an A330 from a B767 from an A300 from a B787 would be able to identify these two aircraft: the B747 and the A380.

That said, my rational side hopes that any new operators order it because it will generate revenue.......and view the "wow" factor as a nice bonus!


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3787 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17489 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
think this "wow" factor is no more than the simple fact that the A380 is currently new and novel.

I disagree. When I flew the 747 for the first time, I was really impressed. Not an "ordinary" airplane, and definetely no 767. And I am sure the A380 even tops that experience.


User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17380 times:

Size makes a bigger impression on the general public than anything else.. See the C-5, AN-225, AN-124, A380, and the 747. I'd like to see someone deny this.  


That's all I've got to say.



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User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17158 times:

Flew on it LAX/SYD, enjoyed the flight, but nothing special. The best part was indeed the tail mounted camera, loved that, but otherwise just another flight.
How many can remember when 747's started service in 8 or 9 abreast in economy and lounges upstaIrs, that was comfort, at least until fuel got more expensive and airlines realised they could get 10 across in reasonable comfort.
As for "wow" factor, it still has it, every time I see it, I go, wow that is ugly !!


25 col : I find that the wow factor for the 380 is my recovery time. I have done 10+ flights to OZ and London from SIN. For some reason I can adjust sleep patt
26 klmd11l : What I really liked about the A380 is its quietness, extraordinarily quiet bird, a big wow factor especially on long flights.
27 shankly : Same as my missus. She knows that the EK A380 has a cocktail bar and all the other planes don't More objectively, given that the cabin fit and gizmo'
28 lewis : If what is mentioned in the trip report linked is accurate (that LH A380 has the same seat dimensions as the A340-600) I can confirm that they are aw
29 francoflier : An airplane is an airplane, and airlines usually buy them as revenue making machines the way bakers buy ovens. However, they do carry customers in tho
30 Post contains images blobby3 : I have been lucky enough to fly on SQ A380 service (LHR-SIN-LHR) 3 times in the past year in J class and just wanted to make a couple of points (be ni
31 Post contains images EPA001 : Personally I found my rides on the A340-600 LH has very comfortable. I flew a couple of times FRA-CAN-MNL and back with them and loved it. Here you c
32 Post contains images infinit : The seats on the A380 in Y are usually the same compared to an airline's other fleet but I think the "wow" factor isn't just hype. The cabin is a lot
33 AirCalSNA : My inclination would be to avoid the A380.
34 Post contains images tullamarine : It's a bloke thing...we are always impressed by the biggest things There is no doubt the A380 is impressived because of its sheer size. It looks huge
35 col : Luckily your inclination does not need to worry, the runway at SNA is too short for the beast anyway. But it is a nice airport. I would also, if you
36 incitatus : These encompassing statements about people who live in a particular continent are a very big stretch. It may be true about some and I never generaliz
37 Tigerguy : Appearance aside (we've already had enough threads about that), the A380's wow factor with me is its newness and size. Once that's out of the way, tho
38 Post contains links and images CXB77L : Neither can anyone. When you're talking about passenger preferences, it is, by definition, a subjective preference. Well, NH has taken to painting "7
39 Baroque : There does seem to be some special maths going around in this thread, similar to that used for the calculation of risk for NEO engines!! OK, we can b
40 CXfirst : Just to be clear, the SQ A380 does not have tail camera in any of its classes. Why? I don't know. When I book flights, I always look for the A380 serv
41 mdavies06 : I would take a flight that suits my timing and non stop over any other consideration. And this is not just me. A lot of travellers (especially those f
42 CXB77L : I would think that's due in no small part to the fact that QF's 744s are rather old and tatty, except for the 9 744s that they're keeping and refurbi
43 zippyjet : As with many different types of the current airliners. An airline can go schlock stripped down or into hock getting it loaded. A friend and co-worker
44 PlaneHunter : If I'm stuck in a window seat, I cannot lean against the wall and the aisle width is totally irrelevant. I didn't notice that. PH
45 Post contains images astuteman : Since when did you become the sole arbiter for A380 "wow" factor? The bottom line, my friend. The A380 will ALWAYS be more visible in the public eye
46 Post contains images zippyjet : Why not if you are the launch customer. This has been done many times in the past. I rest my case.
47 Post contains images astuteman : I'm sure it has. I just wasn't convinced that it was good evidence of an airframe having intrinsic "wow" factor.... Go you! Rgds
48 ukoverlander : No offence but since when did your report become the Bible for the Lufthansa A380 passeneger experience? Isn't it just your opinion or did you poll a
49 Post contains images CXB77L : You have a point there, but if that's all there is to a "wow" factor then the 747-8 should also qualify when it enters commercial passenger service,
50 Post contains images slinky09 : From my A380 flights: - wow we're boarding straight to the upper deck - wow did we take off - the IFE seems to show it, but I didn't notice - wow isn'
51 Burkhard : The Boeing 747 still has a "wow" factor, but it isn't as big as it was in the early 70s. So yes, an airline that orders A380 and gets them in 2016 sti
52 SKAirbus : The take off was one of the things that wowed me the most... At LHR it didn't use much of the runway considering the length of the flight to SIN and
53 blueflyer : Yes it did, the first two times. It was big, spacious, comfortable, quiet, all that jazz... Now, it's back to the usual tricks. How comfortable is it
54 Post contains images SKAirbus : That may be true but now that SQ have all upper deck J-class A380s trickling into their fleets, it may as well be an A340-500 when flying up top I th
55 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Did I ever say so??? I simply disagree with all those who think the the A380 offers more comfort in general. Sorry if that offends you. Unlike many o
56 CXfirst : Yes, I've seen photos of what seems like a camera. But what I meant when I said "does not have tail camera in any of its classes" was that it isn't a
57 Post contains images aerokiwi : Now there's a business case so solid no Board would dare deny it The OP posed a question, to which all we've had are subjective replies - and that wa
58 HSVXJ : I'm more of a Boeing guy, but that slight preference doesn't blind me from the obvious- there is and will always be a definite wow factor to the world
59 peterjohns : I was really looking forward to my first A380 flight (FRA-SFO and back) The A380 was hugely announced as something real special for LH here- and the a
60 maxter : But you miss the point, there is only one "largest" and that is a big WOW factor... The 747-8 ain't that by a long shot.
61 JerseyFlyer : I flew an early EK 380 DXB-LHR right at the end of 2008, business class, and the tail camera was available - very entertaining, except when iced over
62 TeamInTheSky : As an American, I would love for the American plane manufacturer to do well. I am excited about the 747-8i and always get excited when another airlin
63 CXB77L : I disagree. Among the general flying public, airline reputation counts a lot more than aircraft type. CX, NH and JL are just three of the highly rega
64 shankly : Yes there is....they would be out of business pretty quickly
65 AirbusA6 : Yes, the A380 is nicer to fly in, it's smoothness and quietness are noticeable. More importantly, several airlines (e.g. AF, EK) will be operating bot
66 flyglobal : Good that in this tead so many people describe as they feel their personal 'wow'. I belong in the camp where the A380 always will have the special Wow
67 UALWN : I'm never "stuck in a window seat": I always choose a window seat. I never lean agains the wall: I look outside the window. And the extra space betwe
68 Post contains images ebbuk : Have a good trip dude. I will be looking forward to your trip report. Would be good to read a report from a Boeing fan as opposed to the "neutral" fa
69 Post contains links Flying Belgian : Speaking of the "wow" factor, check this out: http://youtu.be/MN_UWhNHCFI?hd=1&t=4m10s This plane is really impressive !!!
70 TeamInTheSky : I am most certainly going to do one. I enjoy reading TR's so much, that I am about to put my first up on a recent trip to HKG. I am hoping to have ti
71 maxter : I disagree, Hard product is less of a factor amongst the great unwashed than the knowledge (irrespective of how tenuous it is), that one has flown in
72 cmf : Frequency is a different element. A better question is if you have a preference when there are multiple options at the same time.
73 SKAirbus : I think until a larger aircraft is developed the A380 will retain the WOW factor. The 747 kept it from 1969 until 2005 when the A380 made its first f
74 infinit : True but you missed the first part of that post. I said that even as an informed consumer, I like the A380 better because the fact is that cabin is b
75 PlaneHunter : Even at night for 11 hours? I'd like to see how you can store reading material or a blanket in the dead space between the upper part of the seat and
76 Post contains images ebbuk : That's true. There is a limit to my wow with the A380. The number of people on the plane. If I did many trips on the A380 I know it would upset me. W
77 aireuropeuk733 : I'd disagree - what about the undesputed Queen of the Skies; Concorde ??? AE733
78 Post contains images EPA001 : First I would argue that the title "Queen of the Skies" still belongs to the B747. In my opinion that will never change. Over her long aviation chang
79 Post contains images aireuropeuk733 : Actually 14 built for airline service, 2 prototypes and 2 pre-production models but I take your point. I think we will agree to differ AE733
80 blueflyer : Well, first opportunity I have, I will try and find out for myself! Where does the all-C-on-top version flies to anyway? I have ZRH in mind but I wou
81 SKAirbus : 9V-SKM, 9V-SKN are the ones I went on and they both had upper deck all J config.. According to flight data 24 their rotations on alternative days are
82 Post contains images KPDX : The ultimate fanboy thread. Jeez.
83 UALWN : I really never lean on the wall, for whatever reason. Well, I did it. Pity you weren't there to see it. Even when the cart is out?
84 chrisnh : When a Lufthansa A380 came to Boston last week on a diversion, two of the videos over on YouTube capturing its departure for JFK could be heard exclai
85 Post contains links SKAirbus : Here is a video my partner took from our seat whilst landing in Singapore on 9V-SKM. Amazing apart from the kid singing happy birthday in the backgrou
86 Burkhard : I think you do not disagree. These three three airlines indeed have built up a high reputation over decades flying large fleets of 747s. They have no
87 Post contains links ferpe : The A380 is good business for EK, here is the latest quote from Tim Clark at Dubai according to ATW: Clark also told ATW he was urging Airbus to go ah
88 s5daw : I recently traveled on Lufthansa's A380 and as much as I love the plane, I was not very impressed by the cabin: - the biggest complaint, LH has some b
89 ferpe : I can't for the life of me understand why one has to put up with these IFE boxes, it should be straight forward to put these flush under the seat cush
90 CXB77L : And that is precisely my point in this thread. Regardless of how large the aircraft is, passenger comfort is dependant on airline configurations more
91 Post contains images astuteman : Interestingly, 150 pax increase up to 670 pax is a 29% increase, which is almost exactly the same as the floor space increase which would be found in
92 Post contains images EPA001 : That makes his thoughts on this subject very interesting. He now also endorses the S-U-H stretch for the A380. Now what will Airbus do, and when? I s
93 Post contains images ferpe : And it would have the "unloved" but capable TXWB97 .
94 Post contains images EPA001 : By that time it will be the most beloved Rolls-Royce T-XWB engine.
95 JoKeR : I absolutely love the A380. Always feel very special when i see her at the gate and when I'm about to board her. Its an amazing aircraft in every resp
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