mikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10837 times:
This was announced several months ago, today's announcement is regarding the confirmation of those orders.
kingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10759 times:
The only change today is the order was originally anounced as 40 A319NEO's and 40 A320NEO's, but today they said it would be 20 A319NEO's and 60 A320NEO's. I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.
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lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10696 posts, RR: 100 Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10540 times:
Made the WSJ (subscription required).
Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 2): I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.
Agreed. I'm a little surprised at the switch. I was under the impression F9 was being made a sweet deal on the A319s.
Now I really like the idea of the CS300s... The question is, what is that order status?
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22730 posts, RR: 88 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10438 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3): Agreed. I'm a little surprised at the switch. I was under the impression F9 was being made a sweet deal on the A319s.
It still is, and for the A320Neo. But - as in life generally - things change.
At the time, the Republic order was the only order for A319Neo's - and gave Airbus what it wanted - but now that AMR has shown interest in the aircraft, that become less important.
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9544 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 6): Great to see this order firmed up.
Yes it is. CFM will be quite happy as well to have secured a large order from a Pratt GTF customer as well.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3): Now I really like the idea of the CS300s... The question is, what is that order status?
That order is still firm at 40 +40 options. 20 A319s sounds about right. The C-Series can take over most of the A319/A318 and E190 flying, while the A319s can do the long current A319 routes (DEN-FAI, DEN-ANC, DEN-LIR etc...) and open up some new ones.
Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 2): I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.
I agree. I expect that in a couple years to be honest. Maybe like:
15 A321
45 A320
20 A319
40 CS300s.
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xdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 532 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8275 times:
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 855 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8016 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 6): Great to see this order firmed up.
Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!
I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...
SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2013 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8016 times:
sxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7896 times:
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 13): I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...
I would guarantee few, if any, of this order are delivered to Republic or Frontier.
SEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7878 times:
How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?
nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 320 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7800 times:
Quoting SEA (Reply 16): How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?
The same way a much bigger company on the verge of bankruptcy can order 460 brand new jets.
US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7283 times:
flyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
What is up with all the Frontier haters coming out of the woodwork today? Congrats to Frontier and Airbus for getting this firmed up.
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r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2252 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
Well, a bit of bad news for BBD as their commitment to NEO is reaffirmed (while we haven't heard anything from Republic about the CSeries after Le Bourget). On the other hand a bit of good news as the reduction in A319NEO from 40 to 20 reduces the overlap with the CS300, and makes the possibility of them operating side-by-side more likely. The question now is where Republic is going to fly all those aircraft to. Can they really get that demand?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3): The question is, what is that order status?
I think the CS300 was a firm order from the very beginning? And no new announcements have been made so far...
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11715 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3804 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 5): So this is official?
Just another 80 firm orders for the NEO?
If true then Airbus just passed 1300 orders for 2011, and around 1100 of those are for the NEO.
Isn't this a firm committment of an exsisting order? If so, then there is no increase in the numbers as these are already counted.
Quoting scbriml (Reply 6): Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!
F9 has, IMHO, by far the worst livery in the world today. No airplane model could make it look good.
Why not the A-380? Come on guys, the A-318 is as useless to the airlines as the B-737-600 is, and to make an even smaller "A-317" would be just a waste of the OEM's money.
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 13): I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...
Quoting sxf24 (Reply 15): I would guarantee few, if any, of this order are delivered to Republic or Frontier.
Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 17): Quoting SEA (Reply 16):
How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?
The same way a much bigger company on the verge of bankruptcy can order 460 brand new jets.
F9 is in big financial trouble. I have no understanding why they would commit to an order they may never be able to afford, the same goes for the big 460 airplane order from AA to Airbus and Boeing. Could Airbus be helping both F9 and AA financially? I don't know but it is possible. They did 'bail-out' US, just a few years before that term became a household phrase.
And there we have the exact number after these orders were made firm.
25 scbriml: It's the firming of a previously announced commitment. Since Airbus doesn't count the orders until they've been firmed, this is a new order and will
26 EPA001: Maybe Frontier wanted some publicity on their own instead of being a footnote at the Dubai Air Show? Indeed that makes you wonder.......
27 Chiad: Oh lord. Not even the MAX What about the A380....
28 FRNT787: Must be displeased about their profit. It was an MOU, and thus not counted until firmed. Totally disagree, its my favorite by far, and the Airbus fle
29 xdlx: What makes no sense is to order and stock & Train for another type, when the idea for a FAMILY of airplanes is to provide commonality. So the 318
30 Babybus: It is a shame Frontier don't put in for a couple of A350s. People seem to be getting very interested in polar wildernesses these days. They could use
31 FRNT787: It must be remembered the C-Series was ordered a full 8 months before the neo existed. 40 CS300s is plenty to override any "commonality" issues in my
32 dave2: Rumor has it that Frontier maybe up for sale by Republic. Wonder how all of that plays?
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