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80 A320NEO For Frontier?  
User currently offlineAhtohob346 From Spain, joined Jul 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Just twitted by Airbus:

Strong momentum for #A320neo! Republic (in US) orders 80 aircraft for @flyfrontier subsidiary. 60 A320neo & 20 A319neo.


Any news??

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User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

This was announced several months ago, today's announcement is regarding the confirmation of those orders.

User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11273 times:

The only change today is the order was originally anounced as 40 A319NEO's and 40 A320NEO's, but today they said it would be 20 A319NEO's and 60 A320NEO's. I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12905 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11054 times:
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Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 2):
I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.

Agreed. I'm a little surprised at the switch. I was under the impression F9 was being made a sweet deal on the A319s.

Now I really like the idea of the CS300s... The question is, what is that order status?

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10952 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Agreed. I'm a little surprised at the switch. I was under the impression F9 was being made a sweet deal on the A319s.

It still is, and for the A320Neo. But - as in life generally - things change.

At the time, the Republic order was the only order for A319Neo's - and gave Airbus what it wanted - but now that AMR has shown interest in the aircraft, that become less important.

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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 1):
This was announced several months ago, today's announcement is regarding the confirmation of those orders.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):

Made the WSJ (subscription required).

So this is official?
Just another 80 firm orders for the NEO?
  

If true then Airbus just passed 1300 orders for 2011, and around 1100 of those are for the NEO.
  

Who would have thought that one year ago?


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12404 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10814 times:
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Great to see this order firmed up.

Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!



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User currently offlineextra300 From Sweden, joined Sep 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
true then Airbus just passed 1300 orders for 2011, and around 1100 of those are for the NEO.

And the A320 family has now over 8000 orders in total since the order book opened in 1984!


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9980 posts, RR: 96
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10301 times:
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Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
and around 1100 of those are for the NEO.

1 138 to be precise....  

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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Great to see this order firmed up.

Yes it is. CFM will be quite happy as well to have secured a large order from a Pratt GTF customer as well.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Now I really like the idea of the CS300s... The question is, what is that order status?

That order is still firm at 40 +40 options. 20 A319s sounds about right. The C-Series can take over most of the A319/A318 and E190 flying, while the A319s can do the long current A319 routes (DEN-FAI, DEN-ANC, DEN-LIR etc...) and open up some new ones.

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 2):
I like the change to more A320's, but I would be even more happy if there were a few A321's in there.

I agree. I expect that in a couple years to be honest. Maybe like:
15 A321
45 A320
20 A319
40 CS300s.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9771 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Great to see this order firmed up.

  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!

Wow, that sure is a seriously nice looking plane.  


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8789 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 9):

So why not A318? .....


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8721 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 11):
So why not A318? .....

Why not 317? For the right amount and price, Airbus would develop some
 


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Great to see this order firmed up.

Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!

I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...  



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 11):
So why not A318? ....

They can use the parts from the scrapped ones to make new ones!   

Will be some good lookin birds! Didnt Republic order the Superjet or the CS Series too?



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User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 13):
I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...

I would guarantee few, if any, of this order are delivered to Republic or Frontier.


User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?

User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Quoting SEA (Reply 16):
How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?

The same way a much bigger company on the verge of bankruptcy can order 460 brand new jets.   



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 11):
So why not A318? .....

The current 4 in the fleet will be gone by 2013. Airbus is not making a neo version, and the airplane makes no sense.

Quoting SEA (Reply 16):
How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?

Last I checked, they were not on the verge of bankruptcy.



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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

What is up with all the Frontier haters coming out of the woodwork today? Congrats to Frontier and Airbus for getting this firmed up.


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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 8):
1 138 to be precise....

Ah ... thank you!! I was actually trying to find the precise number!
  


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Well, a bit of bad news for BBD as their commitment to NEO is reaffirmed (while we haven't heard anything from Republic about the CSeries after Le Bourget). On the other hand a bit of good news as the reduction in A319NEO from 40 to 20 reduces the overlap with the CS300, and makes the possibility of them operating side-by-side more likely. The question now is where Republic is going to fly all those aircraft to. Can they really get that demand?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
The question is, what is that order status?

I think the CS300 was a firm order from the very beginning? And no new announcements have been made so far...


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
So this is official?
Just another 80 firm orders for the NEO?


If true then Airbus just passed 1300 orders for 2011, and around 1100 of those are for the NEO.

Isn't this a firm committment of an exsisting order? If so, then there is no increase in the numbers as these are already counted.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Those will be some seriously nice looking planes!

F9 has, IMHO, by far the worst livery in the world today. No airplane model could make it look good.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 11):
So why not A318? .....
Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 12):
Why not 317?

Why not the A-380? Come on guys, the A-318 is as useless to the airlines as the B-737-600 is, and to make an even smaller "A-317" would be just a waste of the OEM's money.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 13):
I wouldnt be so sure that "Frontier" will be painted on the side of the plane when it is delivered...
Quoting sxf24 (Reply 15):
I would guarantee few, if any, of this order are delivered to Republic or Frontier.
Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 17):
Quoting SEA (Reply 16):
How can a company on the verge of bankruptcy order 80 brand new jets?

The same way a much bigger company on the verge of bankruptcy can order 460 brand new jets.

F9 is in big financial trouble. I have no understanding why they would commit to an order they may never be able to afford, the same goes for the big 460 airplane order from AA to Airbus and Boeing. Could Airbus be helping both F9 and AA financially? I don't know but it is possible. They did 'bail-out' US, just a few years before that term became a household phrase.


User currently offlinemaxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):

Isn't this a firm committment of an exsisting order?

Perhaps it's a firm order of a previous commitment   



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
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Quoting maxter (Reply 23):
Perhaps it's a firm order of a previous commitment

And only then it is counted as a firm order.  .

Quoting astuteman (Reply 8):
1 138 to be precise....

And there we have the exact number after these orders were made firm.  


25 Post contains images scbriml : It's the firming of a previously announced commitment. Since Airbus doesn't count the orders until they've been firmed, this is a new order and will
26 Post contains images EPA001 : Maybe Frontier wanted some publicity on their own instead of being a footnote at the Dubai Air Show? Indeed that makes you wonder.......
27 Post contains images Chiad : Oh lord. Not even the MAX What about the A380....
28 Post contains images FRNT787 : Must be displeased about their profit. It was an MOU, and thus not counted until firmed. Totally disagree, its my favorite by far, and the Airbus fle
29 xdlx : What makes no sense is to order and stock & Train for another type, when the idea for a FAMILY of airplanes is to provide commonality. So the 318
30 Babybus : It is a shame Frontier don't put in for a couple of A350s. People seem to be getting very interested in polar wildernesses these days. They could use
31 FRNT787 : It must be remembered the C-Series was ordered a full 8 months before the neo existed. 40 CS300s is plenty to override any "commonality" issues in my
32 dave2 : Rumor has it that Frontier maybe up for sale by Republic. Wonder how all of that plays?
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