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Qantas Will Operate A380 To HKG  
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

Effective 15JAN12, QF will operate the A380 on the QF127/QF128 flights SYD-HKG-SYD 4 x weekly. rest will be 744 3 x weekly.

Official press release coming today from QANTAS.

But flights are already loaded in QF's Amadeus system and display as A380 equipment.

Updated - it is now official:

http://www.aviationrecord.com/FC/FCn...-A380-on-Hong-Kong-route-3116.aspx

[Edited 2011-11-09 17:53:12]


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User currently onlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Once all 12 4 class A380s are in service (including Nancy) they should be able to go daily on the SYD-HKG-SYD route.

3x A380s for the daily QF31/32
3x A380s for the daily QF9/10
2x A380s for the daily QF11/12
2x A380s for the daily QF93/94
1x A380 for the daily QF127/128

Total of 11 frames plus 1 spare.

Cheers


User currently offlineQF762 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8016 times:

So are they still going to keep QF87/QF88 at 4 per week? I would have thought increasing that to a daily would have been more pressing (to offer twice daily services).

Would be nice to get a daily HKG service from BNE. Maybe one day...


User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7904 times:

Anyone think this will entice any customers to move from CX to QF from a product perspective?

Also, it is suprising that QF choose to have a P product on that route when CX don't...


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 3):
it is suprising that QF choose to have a P product on that route when CX don't

Do they actually sell it as First, or simply seat Plats in Business up front?

Also Y+ is a good move since it is another reason to fly QF rather than CX.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7824 times:

So no A380 for SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD, at least for now. I think that's a shame.

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7675 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 5):
So no A380 for SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD, at least for now. I think that's a shame.

I agree, however I dont think the early A380's can do it any better than the current 744ER's (but could be wrong). Great to see QF using the A380 at ports other than SIN/LHR/LAX regularly!


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 5):
So no A380 for SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD, at least for now. I think that's a shame.

In all honesty its better that they're aiming to get to increase frequency (daily by July) rather than capacity on the existing frequencies



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7644 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 6):
I agree, however I dont think the early A380's can do it any better than the current 744ER's (but could be wrong).

If that's true then there is little reason to apply the A380 to the route.

Wiki reckons 1195km extra still air range, but slower (I believe) so takes more of a penalty into the wind.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
Do they actually sell it as First, or simply seat Plats in Business up front?

They sell F/C on the route...

EK413



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 5):
So no A380 for SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD, at least for now. I think that's a shame.

Just wait till the last 2 frames arrive -- that's when I think that we will start to see A380s on that route...

Anyway, this is excellent. After years of dodging me an A380 has finally presented itself to me! Booked to fly QF128 on Jan 22nd  


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting QF762 (Reply 2):
So are they still going to keep QF87/QF88 at 4 per week? I would have thought increasing that to a daily would have been more pressing (to offer twice daily services).

Yes it is. Or maybe it is better to turn these flights to daily JQ?


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

So according to Wiki (whist not the most reliable source) QF currently have 10 A388 with another 10 on order. What other routes would be most likely to get an A388 service in the future?

My guess:

SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD
BNE-LAX-BNE
SYD-BKK-SYD
Daily SYD-HKG-SYD


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 12):
So according to Wiki (whist not the most reliable source) QF currently have 10 A388 with another 10 on order. What other routes would be most likely to get an A388 service in the future?

Last 6 have been deferred, and may eventually be cancelled.

#11 and #12 have imminent delivery. I think #13 & #14 are coming in 2013. #1 is returning to service soon.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 12):
So according to Wiki (whist not the most reliable source) QF currently have 10 A388 with another 10 on order. What other routes would be most likely to get an A388 service in the future?

There are 2 more coming (next year?) and the other six have been deferred until the end of the decade at which point they will most likely replace the 744ERs 1-for-1

Given what QF have (not) said and Anet conjecture it seems that SYD-DFW will stay 744 (maybe complemented by an additional 787, possibly from BNE, in several years time if the market is big enough)

SYD-BKK no longer connects to the BA LHR service with the new times, so is now predominantly O&D. QF don't like O&D flights to Asia for some reason so it's most likely that this is still a 744 only because of no available A330s.


This leaves two aircraft to increase SYD-HKG to daily and add BNE-LAX 3x. This seemed to be the consensus (in as much as there was one) last time this came up.

I hope that helps!  

[Edited 2011-11-10 19:49:11]

[Edited 2011-11-10 19:49:45]

[Edited 2011-11-10 19:50:25]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 13):
#1 is returning to service soon.

Any updates as to the status of 'Nancy Bird'...???

EK413



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):

This leaves two aircraft to increase SYD-HKG to daily

Why's this need two aircraft? Timetable shows one (hard working) plane can do it:
SYD-HKG 1045-1755
HKG-SYD 1955-0700+1

Last I heard Nancy was returning Jan or Feb. Don't have better than that, sorry.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 16):
Last I heard Nancy was returning Jan or Feb. Don't have better than that, sorry.

Any updates are good enough...

EK413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 16):
Why's this need two aircraft

Read the full sentence...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
two aircraft to increase SYD-HKG to daily and add BNE-LAX 3x

1 for SYD-HKG and 1 for BNE-LAX


Now I think about it, that might underutilise the fleet. For some reason I was under the impression that there were only 12 coming, not 14.Therefore:

SYD-LHR = 3
MEL-LHR = 3
SYD-LAX = 2
MEL-LAX =2

= 10

1 for HKG, 1 spare

BNE-LAX 6xA380? I would have thought that getting it daily 747 would be #1 priority for the route, but with some 747s leaving the fleet in the next few years this might allow 747s to be freed up for JNB, SCL, DFW etc



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

^^ I just can't see the A380 going onto BNE-LAX for quite a while to come, even though someone has been stating that their sources keep telling them it will happen next year. The move onto SYD-HKG seems to quash that information.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 11):
Yes it is. Or maybe it is better to turn these flights to daily JQ?

Not to HKG... It's one of QF's premium business routes, and I imagine it's quite the money maker for them... More likely JQ take over SYD-BKK to free up necessary aircraft if needed.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 12):
SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD
BNE-LAX-BNE
SYD-BKK-SYD
Daily SYD-HKG-SYD

DFW -- yes, from 2014ish.
BNE-LAX -- maybe, personally I think it's more likely to be a move they make in 2019-20 (it's only at 6 weekly at the moment, and adding a daily direct DFW would be far more beneficial imo)
SYD-BKK -- I see being passed over to JQ in 2014-15, to tie in with their MEL-BKK flights.
SYD-HKG -- no doubt about it...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
Given what QF have (not) said

They have said that the A380 is a possibility down the track depending on how the market acts. There was a Fairfax article a few weeks ago that had its own thread, will try to find it...

In terms of A380 routes, I've long thought:

SYD-LHR via SIN 3
MEl-LHR via SIN 3
SYD-LAX 2
MEL-LAX 2

Either SYD-HKG (1) & SYD-FRA via SIN (3) or SYD-DFW (2) & second SYD-LAX/BNE-LAX (2)

Of course they could go to all those destinations on a less than daily basis...

Another thought -- if this flight is only operating four consecutive days per week then are there going to be A380 crew doing 3 night layovers (ie arriving on the Monday arrival and departing on the Thursday departure)??


User currently offlinecbrboy From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 3):
Anyone think this will entice any customers to move from CX to QF from a product perspective?

Yes. QF's service is competitive on most of its long-haul sectors relative to the competition, but I would see CX currently having a superior offering to HKG. Back in July, before the announcement of cuts to QF international routes, I suggested SYD-HKG-LHR as a logical A380 route for competitive reasons.


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