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Termination Of The A 340 Programme  
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2759 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40702 times:

I read this in BoeingVista’s contribution in the A 350 production thread (thanks for the information) and I thought it’s worth starting a separate thread.

EADS say in their latest press release published yesterday:

Quote:
Reported EBIT* includes a positive one-off due to the termination of the A340 programme of € 192 million.

Sad, but the order numbers (presented below in form of deliveries) speak a clear language.


So far I thought it’s still possible to order an Airbus A 340 but maybe they changed their minds at Airbus.


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So the last A 340 produced was actually an Airbus A 340-500 for the Government of Kuwait, correct me if I am wrong.


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40723 times:

Such a pity, such a beautiful aircraft  . But numbers are more important than beauty, unfortunately.


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40692 times:

At least finacally this is closed now. If an airline would come and want another dozen they still were free to deliver, but in all fairness this is unlikely now - the line is booked out with A330s, and the A350 EIS comes nearer.

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40647 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):




So the last A 340 produced was actually an Airbus A 340-500 for the Government of Kuwait, correct me if I am wrong.

From the October Airbus O&D sheet:


A342 & A343 Ordered - 246 Delivered 246
A345 & A346 Ordered - 133 Delivered 129



and there's 2 still to be delivered to Private Customers and 2 of Kingfisher's A345 order still sitting on the tarmac. I wonder of the 2 private jets will still get finished or are they to be cancelled?


User currently offlineextra300 From Sweden, joined Sep 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40453 times:

This is sad, I did have a slight hope of some A346 top up orders. But that is to late now I believe. I just love the look of the 346. Long, sleek and just slightly out of proportion to keep it interesting to look at.

But let´s face it. The twin engine WB´s can do almost the same routes as a four holer these days. Airbus better focus in delivering A330s and get the A350 to the market.


User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 40387 times:

Very sad to see the end starting for my A340. Howbeit, there are still some very young 340s around that will continue to grace the skies for a few decades. A magnificent machine, the A340, and a widely underappreciated one too.

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
So the last A 340 produced was actually an Airbus A 340-500 for the Government of Kuwait, correct me if I am wrong.

As far as I know, the last one to be produced was Iberia's LFS.


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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 40318 times:

How will A340s go on the second hand market? The efficiency of the A340 was quickly over taken by twin widebodies, but it is still quite a productive aircraft. A quieter interior than widebody twins. For some airlines the A340 could be acquired for a modest price. If Airbus do the Asset Management themselves, in the same way that ATR does, A340s could still have a good career ahead of them.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 40024 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
The efficiency of the A340 was quickly over taken by twin widebodies, but it is still quite a productive aircraft. A quieter interior than widebody twins.

LAN will replace its fleet of 5 A-340-313X aircraft with "quieter" B-787-9 aircraft in 2014.

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User currently offlineQF340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 39942 times:

this is a VERY sad day, indeed. In my opinion the A340, in all versions but especially as the -500 and -600 is the nicest looking plane ever build so far. I love the quietness and the smooth take offs, and its sad to see them end the line... 

But nice enough, here in Asia we have a few flying around, SQ, LH, CX, chinese carriers...

SCL767, i am not sure if the 787 is quieter than the beauty A340  


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 39894 times:

Some weird accounting, if terminating the A340 programme results in a one off GAIN of €192m! You'd have thought that they would have budgeted for higher sales of more A345/6s, and that the early termination would result in writing off some costs on the programme, and a loss?


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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 39802 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 9):
You'd have thought that they would have budgeted for higher sales of more A345/6s, and that the early termination would result in writing off some costs on the programme, and a loss?


The A330/A340 is in effect one programme....huge amounts of commonality between the two aircraft....in fact more than say the 742 and 747SP. Indeed it was the A330 that was the slow starter and now look at that thing....Airbus can't help but keep getting orders for it. Accordingly, in the round, no loss to show

Until the A380 showed up, it was the A346 that really pushed the game on in terms of cabin comfort and quietness, making the 777 (which I very much admire) sound like a bag of spanners in the cruise. Luckily have enjoyed some great and long rides on both QR's and SA's wonderful A346 fleets and still have hope of bagging an EK A345 ride before they finally go



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 39751 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 9):
Some weird accounting, if terminating the A340 programme results in a one off GAIN of €192m!

If you're no longer paying all the production support costs for plane you're no longer making, fairly easy to show a gain. Sad for everyone involved though.



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User currently offlineflyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 39737 times:

I understand the decision from an economical standpoint, even since the A330 catch ed up so much in range and can replace the A340 on previously A340 needing routes.

For an airliner (not necessary seat arrangement) passenger experience the A340-600 is the most comfortable after the A380 and I will continue to enjoy flying it.

Yet of course I have to fly the new 787 and the 747-8i as most of us to make an assessment. I will tell you then of course.
My chance may be will be on LHs 747-8i first before the 787.
regards

Flyglobal


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 37793 times:

A340-500's & A340-600's are great pieces of hardware, the A340-600 still has the wow, that's flaming big factor for me, its an impressive piece of engineering, a great looking aircraft and quiet up in Y   huge amounts of take off power with a great RR sound woof! Much more impressive than a 77W close up but the bean counters win and its off into history for the big bus. Its really sad to see that the end of the line for 4 holers apart from the niche VLA segment.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
LAN will replace its fleet of 5 A-340-313X aircraft with "quieter" B-787-9 aircraft in 2014.

I can't see a twin being able to do routes from South America or South Africa to Australia.. Ever. VA tried it and ETOPS made it something like 3 hours longer. So this will be a problem for Qantas and SAA / LA in the future (assuming that QF international has a future but that's for a different thread).



BV
User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 36665 times:

The A340 is my fafourite looking bird since 1991 . I do love for holers . Should she have flown 2 years earlier 1990 , she would have been sold at least twice more than the quantity number produced. Therefore we have to "thank" ironically the delays taken for each A340 type first flight .

Then i should point the fact that some A340s were used on midium hauls on which they had no reasons to be flown ( CAI PAR - KWI ROM CDG - BRU NBO - etc ... Very surprising for an ULH aircraft . Not to mention the A345 use on sectors such as DXB ZRH instead of DXB LAX ( the reason why they were bought for) .
Even on a DXB OSA , I do not see why this aircraft is operating such sectors .

I cannot understand why the the A345 had neverbeen pushed up to fly non stop sectors such as EU - SYD or CDG PPT .....

I think from 2000 Airbus focused on the A388 kicking out the A345/A346 programm from their priority .
Airbus seems to have not considered the "danger" of the 773ER . Therefore it is quite understandable for Airbus to have delayed the A345 and A346 for more than one year !

Right on our days the end of the A340 is obvious , the twins (A333 772 773) C
can fly distances for 13 hours or more .... So why still using this "aging Four Holer"?

To conclude on a positive view, i say many thanks to RJA , SIA , DLH ,SAA AEROLINEAS. IBERIA ... ETHIAD And i forget some of them flying this beauty on sectors on which a Common twin would not cover the distances


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5600 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 36063 times:

Airbus is still publicly offering the A340 in -300, -500, and -600 forms on their website. Seems to me they will have to pull those pages soon.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 13):
I can't see a twin being able to do routes from South America or South Africa to Australia.. Ever. VA tried it and ETOPS made it something like 3 hours longer.

ETOPS 330 will take care of this. LAN is counting on it -- they are expecting the 787-9 to take over 343 missions.


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35726 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 15):
ETOPS 330 will take care of this. LAN is counting on it -- they are expecting the 787-9 to take over 343 missions.

ETOPS 330.. Would you be happy flying on a single engine for 5 1/2 hours over land let alone over an ocean, over the antarctic? I wouldn't if we keep pushing ETOPS up eventually someone is going to get their feet wet.



BV
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35720 times:

Quoting dennys (Reply 14):
The A340 is my fafourite looking bird since 1991 . I do love for holers . Should she have flown 2 years earlier 1990 , she would have been sold at least twice more than the quantity number produced. Therefore we have to "thank" ironically the delays taken for each A340 type first flight .

Mine too! I've always thought ther TG A345s were the most perfect union of aircraft and livery!

She might have got a few more orders had she been in service earlier, but ultimately, the victim there would have been the MD11. The 777 would ultimately have still won.

Quoting dennys (Reply 14):
I cannot understand why the the A345 had neverbeen pushed up to fly non stop sectors such as EU - SYD or CDG PPT .....

It was considered by Air Tahiti, but there just wasn't the traffic to justify a nonstop. On the other hand, SQ still operates the world's longest sectors with the A345. EK flew a lot of long haul flights too, mostly DXB-Oz, but they've now been relegated to secondary routes.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35571 times:

Very sad day, but the lack of orders in the last years made this expectable. Seems Airbus saw no chance to improve it further, enough to attract new orders. As a passenger and as an aesthete I still prefer the A340 over the 777 any day! But its the beancounter, not the passenger or the aesthete who decides what plane to buy.

User currently offlinecorernagh14 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35448 times:

No surprise with this confirmation.

Iberia MSN1122 was last aircraft built and delivered in July 2010.

The accounting transaction recognises the kingfisher etc cancellations and commercial outcomes from deposits etc . Therefore positive income effect. All the substantive A340 NRC already recovered by airbus , in my view.

For those unfamiliar with the Airbus O&D spreadsheet and process if you look at the detail (say in October 2011) you will see 2 a/c still on order for Kingfisher - I expect this to drop away shortly. That leaves two private a/c on order etc. - they have being doing the rounds with the 2008 built MSN886 / MSN 894 for Sonair then Air Zimbabwe etc. the bottom line is that there are still two finished A340 500 in Toulouse (for 3.5 years) awaiting a customer / delivery.

Those of us within the industry expected this termination circa 135 a/c after the Farnborough airshow in July 2006 and the cancellation of the 18 A340 600 aircraft by emirates at that time...see www.fortfield.com

Hope this helps - by the way the accounting detail appears on pages 12 &14 of the EADS Q3.2011 results yesterday.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4802 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35450 times:
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 13):
A340-500's & A340-600's are great pieces of hardware, the A340-600 still has the wow, that's flaming big factor for me, its an impressive piece of engineering, a great looking aircraft and quiet up in Y huge amounts of take off power with a great RR sound woof!

To me the A340-500 is the best looking bird so far. All dimensions have the proportions, everything is so elegant and balanced to see.   Too bad no new ones will be build any time soon.  


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 35140 times:

Quoting corernagh14 (Reply 19):
the bottom line is that there are still two finished A340 500 in Toulouse (for 3.5 years) awaiting a customer / delivery.

Too much of a pity Merkel Air just got the two A343 - these A345 would really do well and not be much more expensive.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12631 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 34519 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 9):
Some weird accounting, if terminating the A340 programme results in a one off GAIN of €192m! You'd have thought that they would have budgeted for higher sales of more A345/6s, and that the early termination would result in writing off some costs on the programme, and a loss?



Not really, because...

Quoting shankly (Reply 10):
The A330/A340 is in effect one programme....huge amounts of commonality between the two aircraft....



Not forgetting, of course, that the A340 is built on the same production line as the A330. So in this one instance, there are none of the normal costs associated with physically shutting down a production line, only the positive benefits of not supporting the A340 on that same line any longer. Obviously, when Airbus shuts down A330 production in (hopefully) many years' time, then you'll see the real cost of a production line shutdown.

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 11):
If you're no longer paying all the production support costs for plane you're no longer making, fairly easy to show a gain. Sad for everyone involved though.



Yes, but usually there's the cost of physically shutting sown the line, disposing of all the production equipment, cleaning the site, potentially knocking down the building, etc. Those things all normally result in a not insubstantial one-off cost. In this case, because the production line is continuing to pump out A330s, it's a small positive.



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User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 34533 times:

Obviously, most airlines think that the 777 is much better than the A340. The 777 is also a very comfortable plane. Both the 777 and the 340 have comparative advantages and disadvantages in terms of comfort. The market has been clear for years now that the A340 was not going to make the inroads necessary to survive. Also, the fact that Airbus is taking a €192 million ($260 million) charge for terminating the A340 program (or what it calls a "positive one-off") shows that from an accounting perspective it is not a single program with the highly successful A330. I'm sure that the few airlines that use the A346 instead of the 773ER will continue to fly them until they get replacement aircraft. However, it has been clear that any new material orders were not going to happen for some time now. Hence, the A350 program.

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 34292 times:

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 23):
The 777 is also a very comfortable plane

Haha, nope! Air is too dry and its noisy. 10 Across is just plain unpleasent. But it makes money.



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25 AirPacific747 : I also love the A340-500 and agree that it is one of the best looking commercial airliners ever. But what I love about all A340s (and 767s) is the sea
26 par13del : What is the alternative, the A380 or the 747-8i, can we tell carriers presently using A340 / 747 capacity airlines for those routes that must either
27 seabosdca : If the aircraft has been certified for it, absolutely. My opinion might be different if there had ever, in the entire history of jet aircraft, been t
28 extra300 : There is a lot of A340s and 744 out there and some of them will stay in commercial service for another decade, or even two decades. By then de 777NG
29 airbazar : SCL-AKL/SYD is nothing like AUS-JNB. Even without ETOPS 330 it's not that big of a detour. Something like 6% longer IIRC, which will probably still b
30 Baroque : Hope the popcorn/peanuts expert "surfaces" with his fag packet handy to tell us what this actually means.
31 Burkhard : Just a side remark, if the A340 program is really closed Airbus will have to pay back the outstanding RLI on the A340s. This will require some cash, t
32 Post contains images Autothrust : In terms of economics, yes. But the A340- 500/-600 are much more advanced and sophisticated then the 777. The A340 has about 275km of wiring and is o
33 Post contains images scbriml : For a start, they're not taking a charge - they're making a positive contribution to profit. It's the money they're saving by not building A340s any
34 Post contains links tdscanuck : In addition to the comments about the A330/340 being treated like one program, it also depends where the production end happens relative to the accou
35 tom355uk : I'm just waiting for the first thread on a.net asking: 'Why don't Airbus re-open the A340 line, there would be lots of orders!' :D Seriously, a sad bu
36 Autothrust : Thats maybe true for you, but nonsense as the majority of all passengers which don't know ETOPS or don't care about planes would be scared and worrie
37 Post contains links Revelation : CFO Ring confirms it: Ref: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...472cd6f1998e33ce774e5ad456d70f.431 Seems the "no sale for 2 years" metric is widely
38 tdscanuck : They're only going to know as much as the crew tells them. On a modern twin an engine-out is nearly invisible to the passengers. As a flight crew, wo
39 Autothrust : But its audible even more on the 777 with the powerful and noisy GE-90.
40 PC12Fan : It's a matter of time, yes. But I severely doubt a twin will go down on what ETOPS is based on. I.E. AF447 or even MS990. Those two factors would bri
41 Post contains images seabosdca : The 777 was developed after the A340 and is every bit as "advanced and sophisticated." The -500 and -600 are not that different from other A340s: the
42 A388 : I think alangirvan means that the A340 is the quietest aircraft among current twin engined aircraft. The 787-9 still needs to prove itself (even thou
43 BoeingVista : Several have said and I've heard them, but I'm still not doing southern oceans on a twin; won't have to consider it for many years anyway. Just becau
44 Post contains links Autothrust : Wrong, The A340(500/600) has a higher percentage of CFRP then the 777, has more integrated avionics, A340 were made using laserwelding, are more comp
45 seabosdca : The non-structural differences listed between -300 and -500/-600 in that presentation are still relatively minor, and amount to changes necessary to
46 Post contains images Autothrust : " Most" Nice try, tell me which features the 777 has listed above. Again Wrong, the 777 has about 170km of wiring, while the A340 has about 275km of
47 mountain : Call me old school. I just like the perceived security of 4 engine planes. I know the statistics prove otherwise. Those large wide body twins just loo
48 modesto2 : As an aviation enthusiast, it's sad to see the demise of any aircraft. However, the orders book speaks volumes about the viability (or lack thereof) o
49 seabosdca : The 777 has an automatic gust suppression system, its FMC performs similar functions to the A340's with respect to CoG, controls that are functionall
50 louA340 : A truly truly sad day!. Its always unfortunate to see your favorite bird come to the end of its days. Luckily they will still be flying for years to c
51 Post contains images Autothrust : To freshen up your memory : The 777 was not made with Laser Beam Welding, no Cabin Intercommunication Data System, no electric rudder , no CFRP on mo
52 neutronstar73 : You've got to be kidding me? So your metric for "advanced" is more wiring? Don't be silly. From an engineering standpoint, this "metric" of yours can
53 seabosdca : Ignoring that the 777 has a system to do the same thing as CIDS, and that it has a CFRP rudder and CFRP fairings... why does any of this matter? In t
54 United787 : I am confused. So is this the situation? 2 A345s on order for Kingfisher - Unbuilt - Cancelled 2 A340s on order for VIP - Unbuilt 2 A345s for sale -
55 corernagh14 : Explanation is simple -- the two A340 500 's for sale were built in 2008 - MSN886 and MSN894 - They were originally scheduled for the Kingfisher orde
56 United787 : Thank you. So, the 2 A340s in storage that were originally going to go to Kingfisher...were then going to go for the VIP...but now rejected twice are
57 Post contains images mffoda : Any chance of having one donated to the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum... They already have a SR-71 and a Space Shuttle coming soon.
58 vaus77w : Love it how this thread has become a 777 vs A340 war. C'mon people show some respect for the A340. At the end of the day they are both great aircraft
59 Post contains images AirbusA6 : It's fair to say that the A346 was a stretch too far, and that even a twin engined A330-600 would have been suboptimal when compared to the 77W. But t
60 masi1157 : I am perfectly sure the 787's cabin will be noisier than A340-300 or A340-500/600, especially in the back. Regards, Matthias
61 par13del : I always thought that the A340 was designed as a 747 replacement - technically its capabilities matched up and bettered the 747 - and its twin counte
62 cmf : I love the A340 - as a passenger. But reality is that between it and the 777 there is a clear winner on the issues that count. Having a lot of "non-i
63 ACES320 : I could not agree more. Sometimes I fantasize on how I could get hold of one of those and qualify as a pilot and do my thing...
64 Post contains links VHHYI : Apparently, ETOPS per se has little to do with it, the Australian authorities wouldn't let VA (as a new operator) use the same route as QF. From a co
65 Post contains images mffoda : Another flamer... "could you be any airplane gayer"
66 Autothrust : Never said that. But the A380 with 535 km is the most sophisticated system. And before the A380 it was the A340. You guys like to say "slapped the A3
67 CM767 : Your fear is based on a double failure, even on quad with a double failure your are going to get your feet wet! 777 Noisy?, complaining about the noi
68 Post contains images EPA001 : Not necessarily. If a quad loses both engines on one side of the plane, it is in real trouble. If it would lose one engine on each side of the plane
69 Post contains images soon7x7 : Aside from the 747 the A340 is a gorgeous airframe and a comfortable ride...even makes for an impressive 144th kit...It will be very sad to see these
70 Post contains images windowflyer : It's about time they stopped making those out-dated clunkers. Take it easy Autothrust I'm just kidding. I personally was never a fan of the A340 until
71 StuckInCA : Well, I suppose it's no different on an A330 (which I've somehow never been on), but I'll say I've greatly enjoyed the many A340 flights I've had. A n
72 Post contains links and images SCL767 : After an absence of almost 20 months, LAN Airlines will operate the A-340-313X a/c into the U.S. The A-340-313X will operate non-stop flights between
73 StuckInCA : Beautiful! I've flown that one!
74 United787 : Living in the US, I have only been on an A340 twice, once on a TK A343 two years ago and then on a LH A346 which was my most recent flight in Septembe
75 SCL767 : The SCL-LAX route will initially operate twice weekly with the A-340-313X, then the SCL-LAX route will increase to 3x weekly (A-340-313X 2x weekly an
76 tdscanuck : I'm sad to see the A340 go...the -500/600 were fantastic looking airplanes, they really put ultra-long-haul into its own, and the passenger experience
77 BoeingVista : No you are not. I believe that a jumbo survived a double engine failure on take off once so from cruise it shouldn't be a problem. You display your i
78 Post contains links Autothrust : True. The A340 has no IMA. This document proofs otherwise. http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&...L4Yz4dO9ysurO_iXVAlUILsskQ&cad=rja The
79 Post contains images tom355uk : Mate, don't make yourself look foolish. If Tom says the 777 uses laser beam welding, I'd advise you to take his word for it, regardless of any 'evide
80 Post contains images wilco737 : A double engine failure at MTOW during take off would be something where you are in trouble. A double engine failure in cruise (even on the same side
81 Post contains images Autothrust : I don't care a d*mn making me look foolish, there are so many fools around here so one more doesn't make the diffrenece. I respect highly Tom and oth
82 AirPacific747 : Sorry, but even people like Tom may be wrong, which seemed to be the case in another thread regarding Airbus and the way they handle in a certain sit
83 tdscanuck : That's a Boeing spec list...I said the 777 used laser welding, not that Boeing used it (it's in a supplier build component, as far as I know). I'm al
84 Autothrust : Could you please tell me which component? You realize that large parts from the shells and sections on the A340 are made with LBW and not just a supp
85 mffoda : Landing Gear (Titanium). The heat exchanger (by Honeywell)... to name a couple?
86 ACES320 : Sad to see these to amazing birds go. I specially love the look of the 346. The A345 another superb machine too although I have never flown it. It see
87 The Coachman : I love a 777 as much as anyone, but it is a well known fact that, equidistant from the engine, the 777's engines are noisier (on all 3 variants and p
88 Asturias : Sad news, I just adore the A340, especially the A345 - so gracious. Also regret to see fewer 4-holers. There's something about them that's just so coo
89 brilondon : It depends where you are seated in the airplane. I don't find it much different from the A330 or the B777. I have not of that happening with any freq
90 cmf : I expect they will be withdrawn for economical reasons before reaching design life. Ten years from now I doubt there are many left.
91 Post contains images mffoda : Well anything is noisier then the "currently" produced A340's! Yes?
92 seabosdca : Everything I have shows the Design Service Goal of all A340 variants (except WV027) as being 20,000 cycles, but all those documents are old. I don't
93 hOmSaR : This has probably been mentioned before, but what's the prospect of the A340 seeing life as a freighter conversion at some point down the road?
94 Post contains images GoBoeing : In my mind this airplane was a failure. It does nothing extra that anything else in it's class can also do, but it costs more to do the same thing. Co
95 liftsifter : It's unfortunate, but that's life. Even if the A340 is a little more to operate, I've seen more passengers happy with the A340 than the 777. Back in 2
96 474218 : Second worst flight I ever took was Gulf A340. If it wasn't for the fact the RAF was paying for first class ticket Same basic airframe structure with
97 Post contains links and images CXB77L : I've flown both, but I disagree. I even found the 744 (which was substantially quieter than the 742) noisier than the 77W, which in turn is noisier t
98 alangirvan : The A340 came out first, it entered service at the same time as the medium range version of the 777, and the A330-300 was a medium range plane. It is
99 BOACCunard : Inevitable but still sad. The A340 is probably my favorite modern aircraft, both from an aesthetic standpoint and for comfort. Like most others here,
100 Post contains images astuteman : By that criteria, many other fine aircraft are failures too. If there wasn't a time when the A340 DID do something extra in its class, it would never
101 SchorschNG : Actually, that is a strategic option. If ever a twin gets lost due to engine troubles and ETOPS is questioned, they might be in a unique position. Of
102 SchorschNG : As said: cruising on two engines of either side is no problem. Double one-sided engine failure after V1 is no requirement. I think after V2 and clean
103 Post contains images EPA001 : So true. . Too many "judgements" are made with today's knowledge on today's circumstances. But in the 1980's when this project was launched, and laun
104 Post contains images CRJ 900 : When AC had the 345 in the fleet, I had the opportunity to fly on that beautiful bird and absolutely luved it.14 hrs from YYZ-HKG and those big RR eng
105 OldAeroGuy : The A340's market category in terms of Payload-Range is still there, it's now occupied by more efficient twins (7772ER, 787-9, A358/9/10). Why wouldn
106 SchorschNG : Also remember that neither A330 nor A340 got their own engine family. Airbus had to match the aircraft to the available thrust.
107 OldAeroGuy : What other airplanes use the RR Trent 500's? They were created specifically for the A345/6.
108 Post contains images seabosdca : I would love to take that flight twice... once on the 343 that is now flying it and once on the 789 that will replace it. Sadly, I don't think I'll b
109 ZRH : It is really sad that soon all beautiful four-holers are gone. Except of course the two VLA A 380 and B 747-8.
110 Post contains links dash500 : Frim Airbus website: Completion of production marks new chapter in the A340 success story 10 NOVEMBER 2011 NEWS IN BRIEF Twenty years after its maiden
111 BOACCunard : Absolutely, what I meant is that there is no market for an aircraft with more than two engines that is not a VLA, thanks to the success of ETOPS. (I
112 tdscanuck : That's my suspicion too...unfortunate but business is business. The -500 might make a nice niche freigher. It's never going to be the workhorse of th
113 BoeingVista : An Etihad A340-500 is currently doing a flyby of the Bahrain GP in a F1 livery, tell me that don't look good...
114 Post contains links and images CXB77L : That's an A340-600. And it's the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. View Large View MediumPhoto © Steven Austen[Edited 2011-11-13 04:59:11]
115 Post contains links and images Revelation : Very interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingfisher_Airlines#Current says.. So it seems the order was on the books long enough for Airbus to ha
116 Bureaucromancer : Personally I don't like the prospect of being that far from a suitable field on ANY aircraft... Cabin fire six hours from a runway anyone? *shudders*
117 cmf : That and medical scares me a lot more than fear of the last engine giving up.
118 Viscount724 : You're overlooking by far the biggest advantage. The 2-4-2 Airbus economy configuration is vastly better than 10-abreast on carriers that subject the
119 infinit : Sad news indeed. Wonder what SQ is going to use for the ultra-long haul SIN-EWR and SIN-LAX flights in the future.
120 CXB77L : I don't think SQ are in any hurry to get rid of their A345s. They're only 7 years old, if I'm not mistaken, so there's plenty of life left in them ye
121 gigneil : They're in no rush because they have them configured in such a way they make a lot of money, and they've got noplace to get rid of them to. The A340-5
122 infinit : Yes I believe SQ's A345s are around 6-7 years old but I think they have a policy on decommissioning their ac at 8years. i guess they'll have to make a
123 AngMoh : The 345s received the new fully flat bed configuration in I believe 2009, so there is no need to replace them in 2 years time. My gues is that they a
124 Burkhard : LH and IB still will operate their A346. A343 may reach EOL in peace. Nobody on a.net wonders why LH makes a nice profit on their A346 and LX on thei
125 Post contains images AustrianZRH : But that's no different on a quad... Still, the A340 is my favorite modern airliner so I hate to see the production ceased .
126 474218 : Because it means nothing. Both could fly the same aircraft over the same routes and one may make money and one may lose money. There are far to many
127 liftsifter : While we're talking about the A340, any reason as to why the whole cabin hears a loud screeching noise whenever there is a bit of wing flux on the A34
128 polot : That was his point. He was saying that he didn't want to be 6+ hours away from an airport no matter how many engines the aircraft has.
129 Post contains images cmf : Thanks. As you said I was trying to say that engine problems is very far down the list of things I worry about. But to be clear. I have very little f
130 Post contains images 747400sp : I hate to see production stop on such beautiful a classic and classy airliner. I would to! It would be park next to my 747sp (SUD). I remember back in
131 Post contains images gigneil : I don't think such a thing exists. NS
132 flyingclrs727 : I never understood the A340-500 and 600 program. It was started after the 777, but Airbus poured in lots of resources designing two planes with lots o
133 cmf : Remember this was before the 777NG. The A340NG offered a lot of capabilities the 777 and the earlier A330/A340 did not have. Essentially A340-600 bec
134 Post contains images 747400sp : Oh, I know no such thing exists, but if I had that kind of money, why not try it, with upgraded 743 engines and a extra fuel tank on it. For the righ
135 flyingclrs727 : But the 777-300ER and 777-200LR were already in the pipeline, and the 777-200ER was already out. By the mid 90's, it should have been apparent to Air
136 tayser : Agree with the comment that the 777 sounds like a bucket of bolts and nuts in the cabin compared to a 330/340.
137 flyingclrs727 : Sounds like Airbus was desperate to find places to cut OEW on the A340-600, but they still came short of the 777's efficiency.
138 polot : Yes, but as cmf alluded to at the end of his post, the 777NG, especially the 77W, turned out to perform much better than initially expected, certainl
139 cmf : The A340NG was launched a couple of years before the 777NG. I'm sure Airbus did consider using the A330 but deemed it too uncertain, remember they ha
140 OldAeroGuy : I can assure you no part of the 777-300ER performance capabilities are an accident. They are the result of good engineering.
141 cmf : I called it amazing engineering. But it is also cleared that it wasn't engineered to defined specification. One may wonder what the result would have
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