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BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight  
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

BA have loaded two new rotations for the Summer 2012 Season.

Starting 29 April they will operate a single daily flight from LHR to Bologna:

LHR-BLQ, BA540. d. 0930. a. 1235
BLQ-LHR. BA541. d. 1335. a. 1445

It is not clear to me whether this is an additional flight or a transfer of one of the three daily flights to BLQ operated from LGW last summer.

There will also be an additional daily flight to AMS:

LHR-AMS. BA432. d. 1900. a. 2110
AMS-LHR. BA433. d. 2225. a. 2225

The outward flight is timed etween BA442 that departs at 1755 and the night stopping BA444 that departs at 2000.

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

On top of that BA is adding one additional daily flight to BRU and BCN.

Brussels goes from 6 to 7 daily flights:

* New flight

LHR-BRU daily BA400 18:45-20:55
BRU-LHR daily BA401 21:55-22:05

Barcelona goes from 8 to 9 daily flights:

* New flight

LHR-BCN daily BA488 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR daily BA489 14:40-16:00

It seems strange to me that they are adding new flights to BRU and AMS. The BCN aircraft sits on the ground for 3 hours. Those slots could be eaily used for longer routes to say CMN, LIS, TUN or ALG. Interesting to see that the 4th LIS rotation is not back next summer.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
LHR-BCN daily BA488 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR daily BA489 14:40-16:00

It seems strange to me that they are adding new flights to BRU and AMS. The BCN aircraft sits on the ground for 3 hours.

It could be the slot sitting on the some of the ex-BD slot pairs recently bought from LH.

In the last summer timetable the LHR-BCN-LHR services included:

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA472. 06:25-09:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA479. 11:00-12:20

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA478. 07.10-10:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA473. 11:40-13:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA484. 09:20-12:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA485. 13:25-14:40

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA474. 11:15-14:20
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA475. 16:40-17:55

Originally (before BA took over IB's LHR-BC/N flights) the above flights operated in numeric pairs. So BA472 returned as BA473. It therefore seems likely that next summer the aircraft operating BA488 will return as BA485 giving:

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA472. 06:25-09:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA479. 11:00-12:20

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA478. 07.10-10:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA473. 11:40-13:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA488. 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA485. 13:25-14:40

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA484. 09:20-12:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA489. 14:40-16:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA474. 11:15-14:20
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA475. 16:40-17:55

While that will mean no one aircraft remains on the ground at BCN for three hours the combined time on the ground of all BA aircraft at BCN will still increase more than it might do. But I guess that's the sort of problem you face if the hub you operate from is slot constrained.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Does anyone know the normal cost on the AMS flight through BA? KLM offers the flight for normally about 100 quid, which is an awesome offer.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
Does anyone know the normal cost on the AMS flight through BA? KLM offers the flight for normally about 100 quid, which is an awesome offer.

The BA EuroTraveller price is very flexible. It varies with the date and flight. For example if you fly LHR-AMS on 23 November and return on the 30 November - dates selected at random - flying out on BA446 at 14:50 hrs and returning on either BA431 or BA435 at 12:20 or 15:10 hrs the price currently on offer is £100.

However if you fly out on BA428 at 07:25 hrs and back on BA447 at 17:55 hrs on the same dates the price currently on offer is almost exactly four and a half times more at £449.

These prices are likely to increase as we get closer to the travel dates and as the aircraft fills up.

So the moral is book as far in advance as possible and travel off-peak.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

They announced 1 more daily (from 6 to 7) to FCO as well but I can't find it through GDS.

http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/briti...-announces-new-short-haul-flights/


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

This new route post was added my me yesterday and subsequently removed by NZ1 because of lack of proof!! Odd.
Anyway, this new flight from LHR IS in additon to the 3 x daily from LGW as I mentioned on the original removed post.


User currently onlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 6):
This new route post was added my me yesterday and subsequently removed by NZ1 because of lack of proof!! Odd.
Anyway, this new flight from LHR IS in additon to the 3 x daily from LGW as I mentioned on the original removed post.

It was deleted whilst I was trying to reply. A simple check of ba.com would have proved what you were telling everyone. Seems some spurious stuff gets to stay on the boards whilst other more believable things go!

With a LHR-BLQ service restored, that's BLQ, PSA and VCE that have all had LHR service restored by BA over the last couple of years. With the IAG purchase of BD I wouldn't be surprised to see increased frequencies by BA on these routes from Winter 2012-13, using some of the BD slots. I wonder also if TRN and MRS could see a return of LHR flights?



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
With the IAG purchase of BD I wouldn't be surprised to see increased frequencies by BA on these routes from Winter 2012-13, using some of the BD slots. I wonder also if TRN and MRS could see a return of LHR flights?

I think that ultimately we would see services to TRN and MRS to LHR with max 1 daily flight.
On the other hand, I don't think it is wise (not that I am a manager) to have 9 daily flights to BCN. 7 or 8 are enough if you use larger aircraft (A321s) and use those slots to enhance Spain-LHR connectivity (SVQ, AGP or ALC) as well other destinations such as TUN, ALG or CMN.



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User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!

User currently offlineupperdeckfan From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
enhance Spain-LHR connectivity (SVQ, AGP or ALC)

Have been begging for VLC-LHR service since BA left 4-5 years ago.....

If UX (AF) can sustain 3xdaily VLC-CDG mainly with connecting traffic into AF network, how can BA/IB not sustain even a single VLC-LHR

Since IB's VLC-MAD was reduce to minimum due to high speed train link OW pax out of VLC have very little options to get into BA/IB network



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive

I suspect it just seems excessive because all flights LHR-BCN are operated by a single airline (BA). If it was 5 daily on BA and 4 daily on Vueling (say), I doubt it would be mentioned.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!

Its not enough sometimes!! The flights are packed


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):

I do t think so. Also EZY from LGW is enough, not sure if any from STN?.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!

It may sound excessive but the flights to BCN during the summer season are always very busy.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 13):
I do t think so. Also EZY from LGW is enough, not sure if any from STN?.

BCN is very well served from LON. In 2012 there will be 44 airlines operating a total of 150 flights each week. Based on there August 2012 schedule the following airlines will operate the following weekly frequencies:

British Airways

LHR - 63 x Weekly

British Airways Cityflyer

LCY - 7 x Weekly

Easyjet

LGW - 42 x Weekly
LTN - 14 x Weekly
SEN - 7 x Weekly
STN - 7 x Weekly

Monarch Scheduled

LGW - 10 x Weekly

FR currently operate from STN to BCN however no flights are as yet on sale for AUG12


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 12):
Its not enough sometimes!! The flights are packed

Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Can I say that on an aviation lovers website?     


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Also looks like BA is increasing there LHR to EDI service compared to there S11 timetable the new flight is:

BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15

BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20

The new service operates Daily. For S12 the EDI-LHR schedule is:

Edinburgh to London Heathrow

BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15 D
BA1435 EDI 07:05 LHR 08:35 x67
BA1439 EDI 09:20 LHR 10:45 D
BA1441 EDI 10:20 LHR 11:50 x167
BA1441 EDI 10:30 LHR 12:00 1
BA1443 EDI 11:45 LHR 13:15 D
BA1445 EDI 13:45 LHR 15:10 D
BA1453 EDI 15:55 LHR 17:15 x6
BA1455 EDI 17:25 LHR 18:50 D
BA1459 EDI 18:15 LHR 19:40 x6
BA1463 EDI 19:35 LHR 21:00 D
BA1465 EDI 20:25 LHR 21:40 x6

London Heathrow to Edinburgh

BA1432 LHR 06:45 EDI 08:05 x67
BA1434 LHR 08:00 EDI 09:20 x67
BA1438 LHR 08:50 EDI 10:10 D
BA1442 LHR 11:40 EDI 13:00 D
BA1446 LHR 13:20 EDI 14:45 x6
BA1448 LHR 15:25 EDI 16:50 D
BA1452 LHR 15:50 EDI 17:15 x6
BA1454 LHR 17:25 EDI 18:50 D
BA1458 LHR 18:25 EDI 19:45 x6
BA1462 LHR 19:30 EDI 20:45 6
BA1462 LHR 19:50 EDI 21:05 1
BA1462 LHR 20:00 EDI 21:15 47
BA1462 LHR 20:05 EDI 21:20 235
BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20 D

During the week BA will operate up to 23 x Daily from EDI to LON ( LHR = 11, LCY = 8 & LGW = 4)


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 14):
BCN is very well served from LON. In 2012 there will be 44 airlines operating a total of 150 flights each week.

44 airlines serving one route? That has to be a record? 



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
44 airlines serving one route? That has to be a record? 

  

Tried to change it but it won't let me. Should read 4.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15

BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20

It has to be a dormant slot... It can be easily used for flights to Asia or Africa in the future...



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sometimes they have 2 767s on the route

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

Fewer flights and bigger aircraft means LHR would lose customers who would find quicker ways to get to a destination. Would you want to connect at a airport after a Long Haul Flight and only have 2 flight times to pick from onward, or would you want to have the shortest stop over. Same with JFK, its about Freq not the number of Customers you can carry.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Not needless at all. Again its freq, most people on EI/BD coming to the UK are connecting to LHRs euro and Int flights, both with BA and others. If you have only a flight at 0700 say and 1400, what do people do who have flights at 1300 or 2200


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Can I say that on an aviation lovers website?

What you say is "madness" is a commercial necessity to maintain competitiveness. BA tried this approach once, anything smaller than a B734 went to Gatwick leaving LHR short haul with the B757 and B767. Worth reading up on this if you are keen to learn about how things work in aviation.
It was so amazingly succesful they immediately ordered lots of A319s! Being better for the environment means not flying. Like that nice HACAN man who got arrested by the US Border Police after flying to the US from LHR to tell them how bad flying was and how he didn't want it at LHR........


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

While that maybe true, WW is obviously a complete Hippocrate - spouting all BA's green credentials every month in Highlife while increasing services on smaller aircraft when fewer services could be serviced on larger aircraft.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

On top of these additions, other service increases compared to Summer 2010 are:

- Prague going from 4 to 5 daily
- Paris Orly going from 3 to 4 daily
- Hamburg going from 4 to 5 daily

Other changes:

- Munich goes from 7 to 6 daily



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User currently onlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 22):
While that maybe true, WW is obviously a complete Hippocrate - spouting all BA's green credentials every month in Highlife while increasing services on smaller aircraft when fewer services could be serviced on larger aircraft.

So an alternative would be 2 x 744's per day to these European destinations?!


25 jet72uk : No. 3x 767.
26 AIR MALTA : 7 daily flights to BCN on A321s/767 should be enough (instead of 9 319/320/321/767). The same goes for other destinations.
27 downtown273 : 1 hour and 15 minutes turn-around time?? Is it just me who finds this terribly inefficient? The actual flight time is usually around 30-35 minutes. I
28 santos : I think LIS has lost a daily flight! Was 4x daily, now is only showing 3x daily.
29 AIR MALTA : Yes correct.. I think that the natural thing with IAG is to have many Spain-LHR links (MAD, BCN, AGP, ALC, SVQ, BIO) and many UK-MAD links (LHR, LGW,
30 TCASAlert : Surely there are more flights to BCN to link in with IB's flight offerings across Spain and the islands? Gives a very flexible timetable for connectio
31 VV701 : Yes, And then there's the other direction linking in with AA and BA flights to, for example, North America from LHR. It really should not need saying
32 downtown273 : It would be interesting to know the market share (%) of IAG on UK - Spain market... I suspect it'd be *very* low, except MAD/BCN-LHR. As an example,
33 skipness1E : Yes they are bit players but that's looking at an apple when the subject matter is a pear. The profit driver is long haul from LHR and MAD to points
34 Bongodog1964 : In the long term it might well end up that way, the same could apply to LHR-EDI and LHR-GLA. The problem however at present is obtaining suitable air
35 FlyCaledonian : The market, i.e. the consumer, likes frequency. Look at AA/BA offering in effect an hourly east bound LHR-JFK service. Yes, they could consolidate and
36 lisbonbearuk : I wouldn't be surprised if BA pulled LIS entirely and routed everyone through MAD with IB within a few years.
37 santos : Why is that? Plenty of O&D traffic on that route, plus lots of passenger connecting to other oneworld & BA destinations through LHR, why add
38 AIR MALTA : I don't think Lisbon will ever stop. It does not make sense. BA is adding another rotation to Manchester as well: London Heathrow – Manchester Incr
39 santos : European routes to be reduced: London Heathrow – Lisbon Reduces from 4 Daily in S11 to 3 Daily in S12 London Heathrow – Munich Reduces from 7 to 6
40 AIR MALTA : In an airport with scarse slts as LHR, it would make sense to send an A321 to BCN instead of 2 consective A319s. We are not tallking about massively
41 mikey72 : Never say never. Moscow is going 4 class 744 is it not ? Exception to the rule granted.
42 VV701 : All BA flights between LHR and BCN are operated by 320 aircraft configured to carry up to 162 passengers. So to replace two flights with a single air
43 1peter : It is indeed, 1 747 on the first flight ex LHR followed by 2 long haul 767's on the later flights. There's a change of flight numbers also, from 872/
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