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Pegasus To Place Large NB Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

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Turkish low-cost carrier Pegasus Airlines is in the late stages of weighing up offers for re-engined aircraft from Airbus and Boeing. Serhan Ulga, CFO, Pegasus Airlines, says the company will place the order for more than one hundred narrowbodies by the end of this year. The order would be worth about $9 billion at list prices.
http://www.airfinancejournal.com/Art...84/Pegasus-nears-737Max-order.html

And the show continues... another 100 NBs to be ordered this year.


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

While the blurb says "both manufacturers," the page title and URL say that the order is going the way of the 737MAX ... be interesting to see which way it will go.


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlinetk1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Some time ago Ali Sabanci said that they would retire the A319/A320's operating for Izair and that they would continue with 737 only. Can't find the source anymore, but I think they will choose the 737MAX. We'll see  


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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

Well, I think it makes sense to continue with 737 series, as their current fleet (excluding IzAir subsidiary) is entirely 738s. In any case, 100 planes is a lot of planes to fill, I hope they have plans made on how to utilize them. Although Turkish domestic market still has potential, without open skies with other countries or Turkey joining EU single aviation market it is a little too optimistic.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

More than one hundred NBs!!!!!!
It is just hard to believe that Pegasus can do this financially or there is a need for such a big LCC in Turkey to compete with TK or TK's sister companies AnadoluJet and Sunexpress!
Looking into the 10-15 years from now, TK with 250 NBs, Pegasus with 125 NBs, AnadoluJet with 50 NBs, Sunexpress with 100 NBs, Atlasjet with 50 NBs, Onur Air with 75 NBs..... Really!!!


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8508 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7610 times:
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100 new planes seems an incredible order for Pegasus, they must have a huge growth strategy planned.

In terms of suppliers, this is Boeing's to loose, don't think they will.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 5):
100 new planes seems an incredible order for Pegasus, they must have a huge growth strategy planned.

While an order of this size seems unrealistic, if you look at a few factors for the future it makes more sense.

Turkey is the 18th most populated country in the world and compared to Europe, only Germany has a bigger population.
The Turkish economy has been booming in recent years making Air travel affordable to more and more of the population, and huge potential for future growth.
The size and terrain of the country make domestic air travel a very effective way to get from one place to another.
Tourism had had a massive increase in recent years driven by price advantages compared to European traditional markets that became expensive under the Euro. This will continue to grow.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12397 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7313 times:
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Pegasus and Izair only have 40 planes between them today, so this would be significant growth! But, they'll look nice whichever plane they chose.

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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7259 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 7):
But, they'll look nice whichever plane they chose.

Their latest color scheme is slightly different (no pegasus horse) but still attractive, you're right!


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7179 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 6):

Sure, I agree.
If all goes well, Turkey might have 3 of the 10 busiest airports in Europe in 15 years.
Turkey might have over 50 airports with NB service,
and the Turkish population will be near 90 million.
By then the buying power of those folks might allow them to travel overseas more and more.
Also with things settling down in the Middle East and North Africa and lifting of visa requirements between Turkey and bunch of countries, all this could be possible;
again if all goes well....


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7093 times:
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So that appears to be 9 customers with over 700 commitments for the MAX.

Looks like Boeing may be more fashionably late to the party than just late...


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

If this order continues, will it be divided between Pegasus Airlines and Air Berlin Turkey? Or will the new birds go to Pegasus, while the current -800s go to Air Berlin Turkey? Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6948 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
So that appears to be 9 customers with over 700 commitments for the MAX.

That might very well turn out to be the case.  


User currently offlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 8):
Their latest color scheme is slightly different (no pegasus horse) but still attractive, you're right!

This Pegasus livery will be missed.
This is a logo jet!! A former Air Baltic 735 dresses up in a Turkish newspaper livery for Pegasus Airlines.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9979 posts, RR: 96
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
So that appears to be 9 customers with over 700 commitments for the MAX.

Looks like Boeing may be more fashionably late to the party than just late...

Unless they're already in the mix, of course..  

It will be interesting to see if they (and the others) get the chance to "place the order" this year, and advance beyond the "commitment" stage.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2825 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):
Unless they're already in the mix, of course...   

If Pegasus had an MoU with Boeing already, it would be odd for them to issue a statement saying they had yet to make a decision and were examining RFPs from Boeing and Airbus.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Turkish low-cost carrier Pegasus Airlines is in the late stages of weighing up offers for re-engined aircraft from Airbus and Boeing. Serhan Ulga, CFO, Pegasus Airlines, says the company will place the order for more than one hundred narrowbodies by the end of this year.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Their new livery is absolutely horrible. The airline is named Pegasus but they decide to remove the winged horse? The "flyPGS.com" painted on the side just follows the lack of creativity trend of using xxx.com in liveries.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2512 times:
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Following up on Reply 14 and 15, Boeing announced another customer and 100 commitments for the MAX at the Dubai Air Show today, so...   

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3398 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
More than one hundred NBs!!!!!!
It is just hard to believe that Pegasus can do this financially or there is a need for such a big LCC in Turkey to compete with TK or TK's sister companies AnadoluJet and Sunexpress!
Looking into the 10-15 years from now, TK with 250 NBs, Pegasus with 125 NBs, AnadoluJet with 50 NBs, Sunexpress with 100 NBs, Atlasjet with 50 NBs, Onur Air with 75 NBs..... Really!!!


Remember deliveries will not start the next day and will probably be spread out over 7-10 years, so add obsolescence of existing units, sale of some models.. and the picture does not look like an over supply issue.


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1772 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

PGT has had nothing but bad experience with the A319s and A320s they have received. (It's the higher management 's word not mine). The airline has management in place from Turkish and Istanbul Airlines days with Boeing experience and they love the product. As a poster said, this is Boeing's order to lose. Boeing Capital, US Eximbank created a really good environment for PGT to finance their existing orders and I am sure they will be instrumental in the next batch of orders.


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