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LAN To Receive Its First B-787 During Q4 2012  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
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This year, LAN Airlines S.A. planned on receiving its first B-787-8 Dreamliner during the second quarter of 2012. However, LAN's Chief Operating Officer Ignacio Cueto recently stated that LAN Airlines S.A. will now receive its first B-787-8 Dreamliner during Q4 of 2012. LAN has a contingency plan in place due to the expected delays associated with the B-787s. This year, LAN placed additional orders with Boeing for new B-767-316ERs. LAN has already received two new B-767-316ERs during the past two months and will soon receive another new B-767-316ER. Next year, LAN will receive seven new B-767-316ERs and during 2013, LAN will receive four new B-767-316ERs. LAN also has the option to order four more B-767-316ERs for delivery during 2013.

Chile LAN To Grow Despite Global Economic Uncertainty

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Regarding the Boeing Co. (BA) 787-8 Dreamliner passenger jets, which have faced long production and delivery delays, Cueto said LAN expects to receive the first few that it purchased during the last quarter of 2012. LAN will be the first Latin American airline to receive delivery of the Dreamliners. The Chilean airline will purchase 26 and lease an additional six Dreamliners for a previously reported $3.5 billion.
Chile LAN To Grow Despite Global Economic Uncertainty

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User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

767, my favorite aircraft as a passenger, especially in Y. Can't beat 2 / 3 / 2 in the entire Y-class. This will not be replicated anytime soon.

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5429 times:
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This is later than I expected.

Q2 to Q4 seems to indicate the problems at getting thee 787's in service will take a while to iron out.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5340 times:
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Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 2):
Q2 to Q4 seems to indicate the problems at getting thee 787's in service will take a while to iron out.

Last month, LAN indicated that it expected to receive 5 B-787-8s during 2012. The exact number of B-787-8s that LAN will receive during 2012 is not publicly known at the moment. On the bright side, LAN will soon expand the CAE Santiago training facility, which can train up to 4,500 airline pilots and 3,000 cabin crew annually. By 2012 it is expected that the facilities in Santiago de Chile will begin to incorporate training materials for the Boeing 787.


CAE and LAN Airlines inaugurate the expansion of Chile training centre for pilots and cabin crew

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CAE recently expanded the facility to twice its previous capacity. The six bay facility is today one of the most modern and largest training centres in South America and represents a total investment of US$40 million. The centre has two simulators for Airbus A320, two for Boeing 767-300ER, as well as a three-dimensional (3D) flat-panel integrated procedures trainer (IPT) for training on Airbus A320 and A340, two door trainers and two scale models to train crews in case of an emergency evacuation of the cabin. The training venue was expanded to provide LAN with increased capacity to train future pilots. With this expansion, the centre is able to train 4,500 pilots and 3,000 cabin crew per year. Each simulator will operate 20 hours a day, 365 days a year.
CAE and LAN Airlines inaugurate the expansion of Chile training centre for pilots and cabin crew

Inaugural ceremony at the CAE training centre in Santiago de Chile led by Mr. Ignacio Cueto, COO of LAN Airlines, and CAE's executive vice president, Glenn Frederick:


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CAE y LAN inauguran la ampliación de centro de entrenamiento en Chile para pilotos y tripulantes de cabina


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29686 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
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LA's first frame - LN51 - should now be in the first assembly position as they were planning to start production yesterday (10 November). Being frame 51, there should not be much, if any, change re-work needing to be done since I believe Boeing have said the shipsets for LN60 incorporate all the changes at the production factories. They're also a Rolls-Royce customer, so it should be pretty straight-forward build, I would think.

So I admit to being a bit    that we're looking at 9-12 months from start of assembly to delivery.

[Edited 2011-11-11 07:02:12]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5182 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
So I admit to being a bit    that we're looking at 9-12 months from start of assembly to delivery.

Perhaps LAN is just being cautious. I hope that LAN does indeed receive its first B-787-8 during the second quarter of 2012 for crew familiarization purposes. LAN would like to launch new long-haul route(s) during the second half of 2012 with the B-787-8s.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Will LAN use them on the MAD-FRA run? I'd love to do a Frankfurt - Madrid weekend trip on the 787. You can usually book the European sector for about 100 EUR round trip.

Soren   



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5012 times:
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Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 6):

Will LAN use them on the MAD-FRA run? I'd love to do a Frankfurt - Madrid weekend trip on the 787. You can usually book the European sector for about 100 EUR round trip.

Initially, LAN will operate the first B-787-8 on the SCL-LIM and SCL-GRU routes. The B-787s will enable LAN to operate long-haul routes non-stop from its hubs at BOG, LIM and SCL. Also, certain LAN operated flights to Europe will operate via GRU/GIG in cooperation with TAM. Thus, the MAD-FRA tag-on on the daily SCL-MAD-FRA service may soon be history.


User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 674 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 1):
767, my favorite aircraft as a passenger, especially in Y. Can't beat 2 / 3 / 2 in the entire Y-class. This will not be replicated anytime soon.

Agree. In fact, we may never see the 2/3/2 setup in another aircraft again.

But never say never, u know ...   


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:
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Quoting ASA (Reply 8):

Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 1):
767, my favorite aircraft as a passenger, especially in Y. Can't beat 2 / 3 / 2 in the entire Y-class. This will not be replicated anytime soon.

Agree. In fact, we may never see the 2/3/2 setup in another aircraft again.

LAN Airlines has two brand new B-767-316ERs. CC-BDA was delivered to LAN Airlines on 27/09/2011 and CC-BDB was delivered to LAN Airlines only two weeks ago. Another new B-767-316ER (CC-BDC) should arrive soon.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

I thought LAN first two 787 where the ones already out on the flightline?


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):


I thought LAN first two 787 where the ones already out on the flightline

But how much rework do they require?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4711 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
I thought LAN first two 787 where the ones already out on the flightline?

Perhaps both ZA534/LN10 and ZA535/LN16 were reassigned...


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29686 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4584 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
I thought LAN first two 787 where the ones already out on the flightline?

Indeed they are. I missed them when going over your spreadsheet.

Still, even if they need massive re-work that will take a year to clear, LN51 shouldn't and therefore I would think it could be delivered before LN10 and LN16.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Indeed they are. I missed them when going over your spreadsheet.

Still, even if they need massive re-work that will take a year to clear, LN51 shouldn't and therefore I would think it could be delivered before LN10 and LN16.

It's matter of resources that they can throw at the backlog of work that needs to be done on these planes. Even though L/N 51 might not have much re-work to do, Boeing may not be able to get to this plane until 6-9 months down the road due to the need to focus on the other aircraft.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

How soon before we see one in MIA?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29686 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
It's matter of resources that they can throw at the backlog of work that needs to be done on these planes. Even though L/N 51 might not have much re-work to do, Boeing may not be able to get to this plane until 6-9 months down the road due to the need to focus on the other aircraft.

I understand, but I thought Boeing was putting the emphasis on trying to get the later builds into customer's hands both to try and reduce the number of frames sitting at PAE and also to try and get a plane into their customer's hands to keep them customers.

So I would think it would be in Boeing;'s interests to spend the few months it takes to hang engines and complete the interior outfitting of LN51 and hand it over in 1H 2012 than complete major assembly and tow it over the the Museum of Flight to sit while they spend a good deal more than a few months working to get LN10 and LN16 done and then complete LN51, handing them all over in Q4 2012.


User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 674 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
LAN Airlines has two brand new B-767-316ERs. CC-BDA was delivered to LAN Airlines on 27/09/2011 and CC-BDB was delivered to LAN Airlines only two weeks ago. Another new B-767-316ER (CC-BDC) should arrive soon.

Thanks for the info. New 767s are definitely a good thing. I actually meant other than the 767 - probably no other future aircraft will come with that configuration. Sorry if it wasn't clear.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
So I would think it would be in Boeing;'s interests to spend the few months it takes to hang engines and complete the interior outfitting of LN51 and hand it over in 1H 2012 than complete major assembly and tow it over the the Museum of Flight to sit while they spend a good deal more than a few months working to get LN10 and LN16 done and then complete LN51, handing them all over in Q4 2012.

Possibly but they also have to worry about finishing up airplanes for ANA, JAL and AI. It all is matter of resource allocation and when the customer is willing to accept deliveries.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 15):
How soon before we see one in MIA?

LAN has not officially stated which routes the B-787-8s will be deployed on after LAN receives its first batch of B-787-8s. However, in the U.S., LAX and SFO will most likely see LAN's B-787-8s before MIA. LAN will also deploy the B-787-8s on the LIM-MAD and GYE-MAD routes since the B-767-316ERs face payload restrictions on those routes. Also, LAN plans on being one of the first B-787 customers to operate RNP approaches, specifically into the LIM hub.

LAN Expects To Operate 787 First RNP Approaches In Lima

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LAN Airlines plans to begin using advanced performance-based navigation approaches at Lima International Airport by the end of this year, and the carrier says these are likely to be the first such procedures operated by the Boeing 787.
LAN Expects To Operate 787 First RNP Approaches In Lima


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