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Now Air China To Start LGW Service  
User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Although they are very honest in that they would rather LHR but cannot due to no slots. Here is the report.
It appears a new airline starting at LGW is almost a daily occuarnce!    http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...-offer-split-operations-to-london/

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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Wow this is brilliant news! Congrats Air China and Gatwick!

I guess this is where denying airport expansion in SE England is starting to show its downsides. However, New York operates a split operation with international flights with many airlines operating into both JFK and EWR.

The train connections between central London and Gatwick are very good, infact the train journey from Victoria to Gatwick is similar to Penn Station to Newark.

It would be great if Star Alliance could build up a secondary hub at LGW eventually, especially if other airlines join them there.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

I wish all long haul operators had a secondary operation into Gatwick. During the 80s this is what happened.

Gatwick is a fantastic airport to fly into and from and much cosier than LHR.

Air China will be a welcome addition to the LGW portfolio.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Of course, if they're existing LHR flight is full, they could always upgrade it to a larger plane, e.g. an A380...I'm sure Airbus will do them a good deal!

But it's good to see more long haul flights from LGW, vast amounts of traffic originates from all over London, and much of it is happier to use LGW rather than LHR.



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User currently onlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 1):
It would be great if Star Alliance could build up a secondary hub at LGW eventually, especially if other airlines join them there.

They don't actually have much of a hub at LHR let's be honest. It's a focus city, not a hub. Not sure why they just don't upgrade to the B744 again, it used to be the aircraft used.


User currently offlineLTUMD11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2011, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Brilliant news for LGW. Hope more airlines show interest and the airport is re born into something like it was when i was a regular spotter there as a teenager in the early to mid eighties.Surely a viable alternative to an extremely saturated LHR. Would be nice to see some of the American carriers returning although i think that is unlikely for the immediate future!

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
They don't actually have much of a hub at LHR let's be honest. It's a focus city, not a hub. Not sure why they just don't upgrade to the B744 again, it used to be the aircraft used.

When I flew CA from LHR 10 years ago, the plane was actually a 74M combi, so the passenger capacity would have been relatively low, and a 77W would be an upgrade.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Wow this is amazing news!!! If you told me Air China and all the other airlines would be coming here a year ago I would have told you to stop being silly. Gatwick's connection to Asia is getting bigger by the week!


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7377 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7127 times:
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Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Gatwick's connection to Asia is getting bigger by the week!

Not going to LGW because they want to. Can't get LHR slots so will just move ops as and when they can get the slots they want,


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 8):
Not going to LGW because they want to. Can't get LHR slots so will just move ops as and when they can get the slots they want,

Well this maybe the case at the moment but LGW is expanding, so you never know they might end up for the better here than at LHR after all.



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User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 8):

Yes that was mentioned in the original quote!


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Given that LGW allows night-time operations, is CA going to fly red-eyes PEK-LGW?


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 1):
guess this is where denying airport expansion in SE England is starting to show its downsides. However, New York operates a split operation with international flights with many airlines operating into both JFK and EWR.

It's not good from an air traffic congestion point of view. If one of those NYC operations were closed, a lot of aircraft would be up gauged to larger more fuel efficient aircraft. Of course LGA in the middle of it makes the situation worse. Maybe that should be the one they should close.


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 11):
Given that LGW allows night-time operations, is CA going to fly red-eyes PEK-LGW?


I don't think so. Flights from Asia carriers usually like to arrive at the start of the European working day. So the flight from PEK will be red-eye, but the return flight from LGW will most probably be departing morning/ early afternoon. If this is what you meant?

Good news for LGW, it seems like their new owners are doing them more good than BAA. As SKAirbus mentioned: New York has split hubs, so I don't see why London can't adopt the same approach. There's plenty of capacity at LGW to take advantage of  



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4188 times:
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Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 13):

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 11):
Given that LGW allows night-time operations, is CA going to fly red-eyes PEK-LGW?


I don't think so. Flights from Asia carriers usually like to arrive at the start of the European working day. So the flight from PEK will be red-eye, but the return flight from LGW will most probably be departing morning/ early afternoon. If this is what you meant?

Good news for LGW, it seems like their new owners are doing them more good than BAA. As SKAirbus mentioned: New York has split hubs, so I don't see why London can't adopt the same approach. There's plenty of capacity at LGW to take advantage of

?

Other than Cathay and BA Flights from China/Korea/Japan land late afternoon at Heathrow and for that matter Paris and Frankfurt !

The BA Hanada service arrival is an exception not because of the London end slots but because of Japanese restrictions that currently restrict the long haul departure slots to off peak times due to extensive domestic services during their day light period !


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):
Other than Cathay and BA Flights from China/Korea/Japan land late afternoon at Heathrow and for that matter Paris and Frankfurt !

This is correct, but I'd imagine the LGW service will be a morning arrival to complement the afternoon turnaround at LHR. And this is probably why CA couldn't get LHR slots - Heathrow is full to capacity for morning arrivals/departures, and these are valuable slots that the US carriers all paid premiums for 2-3 years ago.


User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 13):
I don't think so. Flights from Asia carriers usually like to arrive at the start of the European working day. So the flight from PEK will be red-eye, but the return flight from LGW will most probably be departing morning/ early afternoon. If this is what you meant?

Flights from South East Asia tend to arrive at the start of the European working day because the time-change and flight time facilitates this. With PEK and North East Asia in general, the shorter flight time means that the "bonus" of the time change is lost somewhat which makes the flight times a little less "attractive".

For an early morning arrival in Europe from PEK we would be looking at a schedule like PEK 0130 - LGW 0500, and then a return of LGW 1140 - PEK 0600.

Air China do however operate a flight from PEK to FRA at similar times (CA965). It would also boost connection opportunities.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
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Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
For an early morning arrival in Europe from PEK we would be looking at a schedule like PEK 0130 - LGW 0500, and then a return of LGW 1140 - PEK 0600.

Air China do however operate a flight from PEK to FRA at similar times (CA965). It would also boost connection opportunities.
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
For an early morning arrival in Europe from PEK we would be looking at a schedule like PEK 0130 - LGW 0500, and then a return of LGW 1140 - PEK 0600.

Air China do however operate a flight from PEK to FRA at similar times (CA965). It would also boost connection opportunities.

Might be wrong however i would add about 5 hours to those timings giving a mid morning LGW arrival time (As once was !)
Diddley quat connections over LGW but regional connections a plenty out of ZBAA this could well be the student shuttle !


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
For an early morning arrival in Europe from PEK we would be looking at a schedule like PEK 0130 - LGW 0500, and then a return of LGW 1140 - PEK 0600.

That's exactly what I meant. LGW early morning arrival and PEK early morning arrival (LGW 1040 > PEK 0500+).



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3259 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 17):
Might be wrong however i would add about 5 hours to those timings giving a mid morning LGW arrival time

I agree,more customer friendly times.
Perhaps a PEK 0630 LGW 1000
2 hr turn around.
LGW 1200 PEK 0620.  



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):
Other than Cathay and BA Flights from China/Korea/Japan land late afternoon at Heathrow and for that matter Paris and Frankfurt !


Er where did I say that they never arrive in the afternoon??? I think you'll find that when an airline from Asia starts a service, it's more often than not an early morning arrival. Only once that service had been established will they add other flights in the afternoon. to support that route.
If (for example) CX were limited to one flight a day out of LHR, do you seriously expect they'd choose a late afternoon/ early evening departure???

[Edited 2011-11-12 10:43:39]


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
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Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 20):
Er where did I say that they never arrive in the afternoon??? I think you'll find that when an airline from Asia starts a service, it's more often than not an early morning arrival. Only once that service had been established will they add other flights in the afternoon. to support that route.
If (for example) CX were limited to one flight a day out of LHR, do you seriously expect they'd choose a late afternoon/ early evening departure???

Yes i do late afternoon slots easier to get (Look at those Indian arrivals for instance) and the fact that a 14 hour plus flight arrival time really makes little difference NO ONE wants to go to work straight from such a haul.

The same applies to West US flights they arrive late morning and into the afternoon

Only really the East Coast US/Canada makes sense for red eye arrivals into Europe.

Going back to the day when these airlines actually started their UK operations the time frame arrivals into Gatwick were from late morning throughout the afternoon and nothing really has changed for far east asian operations.


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