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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19616 times:
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The previous thread - New Frontier/Republic Part 28 (by SA7700 Oct 20 2011 in Civil Aviation) - is at more than 250 posts, so time for a new one.

I'll start it off by hoping for one of my favorite tails to be recycled:


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I think it's one of the cutest - but it is also me bug-eyed at some of the things being said in the press since the cc.  

Stirring times, my hearties.

mariner


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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19491 times:

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
I'll start it off by hoping for one of my favorite tails to be recycled:

Ah yes, the tree frog   That and the flamingo were my favorite 170 tails back in the day. Would love to see them make a comeback.



Good goes around!
User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19458 times:

What ever happened to F9's plans of creating a codeshare with another major US carrier? And can someone update me on the status of the E190 deliveries?


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User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19423 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 4):
What ever happened to F9's plans of creating a codeshare with another major US carrier?

I don't think they ever limited it to a US based carrier. I'm sure they'd still love to find a partner (I'm hoping they can work something out with IcelandAir), but I think the restructuring has taken priority.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 4):
And can someone update me on the status of the E190 deliveries?

They will be taking 2 in the next few weeks, the rest have been deferred.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19407 times:
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Okay, here's a surprise - to me. I don't pay a lot of attention to market share, which I don't see as any indication of profitability, but anomalies intrigue me.

A few months ago, there was a great deal of hootin' and hollerin' when Airtran took the #1 spot at MKE and it was still #1 in June 2011:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...n-slips-but-remains-on-top-at.html

"AirTran Airways continued to hold the top market share in June at Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport, according to new figures from the airport.

AirTran’s market share stood at 31.8 percent for the month, down from 33.04 percent in May. Frontier Airlines, which has hubs in Milwaukee and Denver, ranked second with a 29.7 percent market share in June, down from 30.6 percent the prior month."


But, the same source says, it changed over the summer so that in September 2011 Frontier was #1 again (although I don't remember any hootin' and hollerin') and by some margin:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...ier-airlines-focusing-more-on.html

"Frontier still held the top market share at Mitchell — at 31.1 percent — in September, the most recent month for which stats are available. AirTran Airways, which is being merged into Southwest Airlines, held the No. 2 spot at 27.3 percent."

Obviously with the Frontier cuts this will change again and the merger will make Airtran/Southwest the clear #1 but I'm puzzled - it isn't so much that Frontier grew, it seems to be that Airtran dropped, but I don't recall too many Airtran cuts for the summer.

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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19401 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 4):
can someone update me on the status of the E190 deliveries?

Two new E190s are being delivered this month. The remaining E190 deliveries are being deferred indefinitely. 2 leased E190s are scheduled to be returned to the lessors in fall 2012. I personally do not believe we'll see any further deliveries.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19381 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Obviously with the Frontier cuts this will change again and the merger will make Airtran/Southwest the clear #1 but I'm puzzled - it isn't so much that Frontier grew, it seems to be that Airtran dropped, but I don't recall too many Airtran cuts for the summer.

Is this a result of the Skywest CRJs that were pulled from the MKE operation?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19368 times:
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Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 8):
Is this a result of the Skywest CRJs that were pulled from the MKE operation?

Or is that lost share now counted by Southwest - didn't it take over a couple of Airtran routes?

mariner



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19366 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Obviously with the Frontier cuts this will change again and the merger will make Airtran/Southwest the clear #1 but I'm puzzled - it isn't so much that Frontier grew, it seems to be that Airtran dropped, but I don't recall too many Airtran cuts for the summer.

I like rankings, but also realize that they don't often have the significance that are attached to them. But with the F9 cuts here in MKE, will they be #2 after FL/WN, or will maybe DL or someone else (or two) move ahead of them as well?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19344 times:
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Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 7):
Two new E190s are being delivered this month. The remaining E190 deliveries are being deferred indefinitely. 2 leased E190s are scheduled to be returned to the lessors in fall 2012. I personally do not believe we'll see any further deliveries.

Although I hope the rumors of the second (used) A320 are true. Given the Airtran announcement, a bit of spare metal might be useful:

FL To Close Certain Stations In 2012 (by Xcltflyboy Nov 11 2011 in Civil Aviation)

TYS won't be happy - it just lost Vision and now Airtran.

Maybe it could work for Frontier as DEN-TYS-MCO, at least in season? It might be a way for Frontier to boost the TYS winter numbers.

TYS is still hanging out for Southwest, of course, and thought Airtran was the key to it.

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-11 14:19:19]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19199 times:

I mentioned in 3 or so threads ago I thought TYS would make a good north-south focus city/hub of sorts based on its geographical location, mirroring the WN ops at BNA. Now that FL is leaving enforces my thought even more. FL departure tells me WN won't be back in the foreseeable future.


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User currently offlinetztristar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1455 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19144 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
Although I hope the rumors of the second (used) A320 are true. Given the Airtran announcement, a bit of spare metal might be useful:

It is two ex-U5 A320s and they will be operated initially in the U5 configuration and placed exclusively on Apple charters. They won't even be painted except all white. The plan is to mod them to the F9 configuration in summer 2012.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19095 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 7):
I personally do not believe we'll see any further deliveries.

What if Bedford sells off F9 and ownership changes hands? I saw in the conference call that they're thinking about unloading even more E190s, and it'd be pretty disappointing to see the fleet shrink further because these frames compliment the Airbus pretty nicely in my opinion. If the E190s get dumped I think we'll see a lot of the "unique" routes go away as well.

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Or is that lost share now counted by Southwest - didn't it take over a couple of Airtran routes?

They took over a couple of frequencies, but with the exception of STL I don't think any routes have transferred completely over to WN.



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19066 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 14):
What if Bedford sells off F9 and ownership changes hands? I saw in the conference call that they're thinking about unloading even more E190s, and it'd be pretty disappointing to see the fleet shrink further because these frames compliment the Airbus pretty nicely in my opinion. If the E190s get dumped I think we'll see a lot of the "unique" routes go away as well.

I'm a big fan of the E190. I don't think we'd see places like SBA without it. The E190 does great on uncontested or high fare monopoly routes, e.g. DEN - PSP, but it doesn't do well on depressed yield routes with lots of competition like DEN - ABQ. I don't think the E190 fleet will shrink further, though. Although not as efficient as the A320, I believe the E190 had a break even load factor of 90% in Q3. That number was as good or better than the A318 and A319. Of course, BB could sell the remaining owned E190s to increase liquidity. I believe he has gone on record as stating he could raise as much as $40 million if he did sell the planes. But, he keeps talking about a fleet of 99+ seats, so I don't think the E190s are going anywhere. I believe BB addressed the question of moving the E190 fleet to the F9 certificate when the two companies separate, and he said no. He believes there is power in a single fleet type. Republic crews would continue to operate the E190s for the new Frontier on a pro rate shared revenue contract.

My biggest beef about the E190 is that 100th seat that has been deactivated.



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User currently offlineAirportguy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19020 times:

Haven't been posting very much, but wanted to check in to say thanks to our Vets...

Thanks to all the Vets at F9!


User currently offlineintheair10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18959 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 15):
My biggest beef about the E190 is that 100th seat that has been deactivated.

Oh, you mean this seat. And folks wonder why RAH pilots think mgmt is– oh, pick your favorite negative adjective. Let me get this straight: BB is willing to sacrifice a lav on the bus to create extra revenue yet he 'deactivates' a seat, 26A, to skirt the CBA. And a mediator had the gall to side with the company in determining it wasn't really a seat. This is old news but it's a raw wound nonetheless.


Seat by , on Flickr

[Edited 2011-11-11 20:26:26]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18716 times:
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Quoting tztristar500 (Reply 13):
It is two ex-U5 A320s and they will be operated initially in the U5 configuration and placed exclusively on Apple charters. They won't even be painted except all white. The plan is to mod them to the F9 configuration in summer 2012.

Thanks for that.

As we discussed earlier, when this idea was first mooted apparently the lessors wanted too much money. I doubt it is BB who has blinked.

That accounts for two of the last five USA3000 A320's. I wonder what will happen to the other three.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18683 times:

Quoting Airportguy1971 (Reply 16):

I can only assume F9 has never employed any Coast Guard veterans in that the fifth Armed Service is absent from the URL.

Ironically one of Mariners colleagues/mentors who he spoke of many years ago spent a short stint in the Coast Guard as a Photo Journalist. that would of course be the late great Alex Haley whom we know as the author of Roots.

Alex Haley has a Coast Guard medium endurance cutter named in his honor which is home ported in Kodiak, Alaska ADQ http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcAlexHaley/



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18634 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 19):
Alex Haley has a Coast Guard medium endurance cutter named in his honor which is home ported in Kodiak, Alaska ADQ http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcAlexHaley/

I did not know that, Gent. Thank you. It means a very great deal to me - some of the great years of my life.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18593 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
I did not know that, Gent. Thank you. It means a very great deal to me - some of the great years of my life.

From the same URL here is some of Mr. Haley's military service bio URL http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcAlexHaley/history.asp

Several years ago I had the opportunity to step aboard Mr. Haley's namesake when it sailed in Juneau
What an honor. If memory serves me Mr. Haley also has ties to a little town in northeast Tennessee near TRI a few miles SSW of the Virgina state line, a town named Henning, TN.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18545 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 21):
If memory serves me Mr. Haley also has ties to a little town in northeast Tennessee near TRI a few miles SSW of the Virgina state line, a town named Henning, TN.

And at the end he lived in eastern TN, his farm outside Knoxville - TYS.

Bringing this back to Frontier, I know none of this will happen, but things have been so tortuous around here it's time for a little fun.

If I had my druthers - and if Frontier had some spare metal - it would now announce some more MCO stuff, even if 1 or 2 x weekly, even if only seasonal, to start in February, to the cities Airtran is dropping in June:

MCO-BMI - MCO-CRW - perhaps even MCO-IAD - and, of course, DEN-TYS-MCO.

I assume at least a couple of them are on the phone to Frontier - and to Allegiant as well.  

mariner



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User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18521 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
If I had my druthers - and if Frontier had some spare metal - it would now announce some more MCO stuff, even if 1 or 2 x weekly, even if only seasonal, to start in February, to the cities Airtran is dropping in June

And if some of the things BB said during the Q3 employee meeting are hints of the future, one never knows what could come about for future flying.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18275 times:
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The new Southwest/Airtran schedule is out - with, as always - some new DEN service,and a couple of puzzles. Southwest.com announces two new DEN routes:

http://www.southwest.com/html/cs/inv...stor_relations/if_news_events.html

It lists DEN-DAY and DEN-CAK - which, I guess, answers the question of whether Southwest will leave CAK or not.

There's also a new Southwest/Airtran HOU-MCI - 1 x daily seasonal. But Marketwatch has more:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sou...summer-flight-schedules-2011-11-13

2 x daily DEN-LGA. If so, this was inevitable, but doesn't answer the question of where the slots are coming from - PHF?

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-13 10:43:37]


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1317 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 24):
2 x daily DEN-LGA. If so, this was inevitable, but doesn't answer the question of where the slots are coming from - PHF?

That's what I imagine

Starting DAY, and CAK made sense for WN n my opinion. I think they will connect SDF and LIT to DEN soon as well


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Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18132 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 25):
Starting DAY, and CAK made sense for WN n my opinion.

I agree, both are good cities for Airtran.

I was mildly surprised they didn't add DAY-MDW, so maybe they're a bit cross that Frontier started MCI-LAS and MCI-MCO.

I am also (as mildly) surprised that Southwest has never started DEN-CLE.

My only puzzle involves an old hobby horse of mine - I'm told Southwest dropped ISP-MDW. While I'm still not advocating that Frontier start ISP, it is harder and harder for me to believe that the quite large catchment area there only wants to fly to BWI and Florida.

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-13 15:32:28]


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25 bjorn14 : As a former 'Puddle Pirate' the USCG has never been part of the military per se. It only becomes part of the Navy in wartime. It was part of Treasury
26 enilria : WN is focused on business passengers these days and ISP tends to be a leisure only airport. Case in point, my source says FL will end LGA-MCO to add
27 mariner : Yes, I believe you're right. mariner
28 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's predictable - more Mexico routes: Frontier Applies For Additional Mexico Routes (by LAXintl Nov 14 2011 in Civil Aviation) PHL-CUN, RFD-CUN AND
29 smoot4208 : Unlike DAY that F9 has been competing on with UA for a few years (I'm not sure that route can sustain 3 carriers), F9 should have been able to get a
30 mariner : I'm sure there is a loyal following in CAK and it may do okay - with reduced yields - but why fight it when CLE is just down the road? mariner
31 mikefrommke : I think it makes sense all things considered, but you switch to go up against UA on a hub to hub route. Not sure if that would improve the competitiv
32 smoot4208 : With WN on the route, F9 has to compete with just one other flight. UA does DEN-CLE multiple times (I know CLE is bigger than CAK), but it's not like
33 Post contains images point2point : Denver International Airport released the September 2011 figures today. Interestingly, they state F9 as having the largest market share here. I know t
34 Post contains images mariner : I'd look forward to it. It would be like the good ol' days. Southwest's DEN-CAK is clearly designed to hurt Frontier. Okay - avert the hurt. mariner[
35 mikefrommke : Very interesting.... Good job F9!
36 dbo861 : And Continental...
37 Post contains images point2point : Yes, I know that too. Just in my mind, United and Continental are really one and the same now. At this point, I guess that it's just a matter of sema
38 GentFromAlaska : The analyst must like something today (Wednesday). RAH stock is up $.30 at the noon hour. Even as WTI passed the $100.00 bbl threshold today
39 F9Animal : This just sickens me. This is no longer about supply and demand. It is now about how to rape consumers, while the investors get filthy rich. There is
40 Post contains links mariner : Up over 10% now. When I first saw the price on my home page I thought there must have been some news - but I couldn't find anything. There is this -
41 flyinryan99 : I personally think CAK/DAY for F9 will do just fine. If you look at the schedules, F9's are definitely superior. WN/FL's appear to be just routing tr
42 mke717spotter : I find it hilarious that Bedford views the the rising stocks as "a ringing endorsement of the business plan." Most of those are from corporate holder
43 Post contains links Quartz : This is as good an explanation as you are likely to find: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/rjet/short-interest 8mm out of 48mm shares sold short, and the
44 Post contains images mariner : That's true. I had completely ignored the role of shorts in this. Thanks for reminding me. mariner
45 Post contains links righteouswind : Brent oil prices are not rising. What is happening is that the Brent-WTI spread is collapsing after hitting over $20 per barrel. WTI and Brent used t
46 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : The timing around the busiest travel time of the year just a travelers prepare to get on the highways (or in the air) for Thanksgiving and Christmas
47 mikefrommke : This is an absolute argument for the fact that the price follows demand! More people driving = more demand for gas = higher prices. Its the same reas
48 Post contains images F9Animal : I have to be totally honest. I was taking a sip of water when reading your response. I laughed so hard, I choked and water came out of my nose! Thank
49 n7371f : At least 2 of USA 3000's remaining 320's are leased from AFS Investments (which is an arm of GECAS). I also believe the other 3 leased aircraft are t
50 Post contains links BostonMike : The following seems to indicate that some form of hybrid operation will be the future of successful regionals. BB may be going to separate Frontier fr
51 JA : The issue here is that Frontier is a potential major client for Republic. Republic needs to finance a sale or whomever finances it may pull the CPA wo
52 mcg : I must say that I am disappointed that RAH won't paint these aircraft into F9 colors. Why? because every passenger who bords these airplanes (and eve
53 floridaflyboy : From what tztristar said, it sounds like that is a temporary situation to get them through the apple vacation season and then they will be brought up
54 righteouswind : Yes, it means RJET owning 49.9% of Frontier.
55 FRNT787 : It seems like they will be getting them right before they have to place them into service with the Apple contract. Could be wrong though. I would exp
56 righteouswind : Frontier is only going to have 5 planes with under 99 seats in its network by April 2012. How is that a big client for RJET? "In May 2011, the Compan
57 FRNT787 : I suppose it depends largely on who ends up flying the 15 or so E190s. (That situation is quite fluid right now, so Ive no idea how many will remain
58 Quartz : Thinking about how the RAH/F9 relationship will look like post seperation, does anyone know what scope clauses are currently in place for F9?
59 righteouswind : As I see it, there are four scenarios: 1) F9 scope allows a first in the U.S. fixed-fee CPA for the 99 seat E190s - highly improbable 2) RAH leases t
60 point2point : If this happens, F9 will just be DEN (minus a lot of spokes) with virtually no hubbing elsewhere (goodbye MKE and MCI) and Apple Vacation contracts.
61 mariner : I believe that's the present plan. It is recognized that the E190 has a place in the network and even if they sell all the 10 x E190's - and that's o
62 JA : BINGO. Right now, the E190 can ride out a fuel spike better than anything else they have under their current CPAs. Whoever wants RAH to fly the 190s
63 righteouswind : F9 as an all A320 family airline would almost be a twin to NK, albeit in a more competitive hub and with slightly lower seat density. It is interesti
64 point2point : Yes, I can agree there, but with the E190 gone from the fleet, (as well as the A318) from what I can see the cities that are exclusive E190 DEN to/fr
65 mariner : That's why I don't think all the E190's will go, at least in the foreseeable future. He has not cancelled the new E190 contract, merely deferred deli
66 JA : Truthfully, I have been running the numbers on a type of New Frontier. I am not sure why people are throwing away the E190. I believe that Frontier ne
67 BostonMike : Given any or all of the above scenarios, is there still a basis for a Single Transportation System as determined by the NMB? Say RAH retains 49.9% own
68 smoot4208 : Has it been determined yet as to if the 5 aircraft are the E145s or are the 5 composed of the remaining DH4/E170s?
69 point2point : Yes.... I can think of a few holes where smaller jets would be beneficial, but somehow, RAH got burned in MKE with them, so they're all going out the
70 JA : I doubt it. The competition for a shrinking pie is going to be intense.
71 Post contains links and images mariner : I don't know if this means much - there seem to be a lot of these awards - but this one is surely nice to have: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wor..
72 bjorn14 : I agree. But when you really don't have $100-150K to repaint the frame and thinking about selling it why bother?
73 Post contains images point2point : I personally wouldn't be so sure, and maybe not tomorrow...... ..... this article describes how the majors (esp. DL, it seems) are starting to make l
74 mcg : Good question, I guess, particularly if you've got no long term interest in the airline.
75 JA : This has been going on for a while. Guaranteed money and no fuel risk is a big deal. The problem is that people have been cutting each other's throat
76 TZTriStar500 : Yes, temporary. Yes, specifically for Apple and exclusively on that for 6-8 months until they get modified and painted similar to the rest of the F9
77 Post contains images mariner : But that is what this whole restructure, which has been going on for six months, has been about - separating Frontier from Republic. It has been disc
78 ridgid727 : In that chart listed above, Was Lynx included in "others" or in F9's?[Edited 2011-11-17 19:59:40]
79 JBo : If you're taking about the pie chart dated Sept. 2011, then there is no Lynx to include on the chart. Lynx was folded and the Q400 transfered to RW s
80 adamblang : Lynx hasn't existed for a while. The Q400s are on the Republic certificate.
81 smoot4208 : Will the last 3 Q400s be leaving by April/May of this coming year?
82 mikefrommke : We still don't know whether or not the 5 remaining "under 99" seat aircraft are going to be Q400/E70 or E145. My guess is the Q's will be parked afte
83 rj777 : Any ideas on when the "under 99 seat" decision is going to be made?
84 PlaneAdmirer : Yesterday I flew from Denver to Milwaukee and back. I was on the first flight of the day to MKE and last return of the day to DEN. Everything was grea
85 mcg : That's great, thanks for the info.
86 Post contains links pilotfox : Two new E190s arrived in MKE today N176HQ and N177HQ http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RPA9239 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RPA8830 Ill try to
87 Post contains images ScottB : If you listen to the earnings call, it is stated that the E170's will end flying for F9 in January, and that the E145 fleet will be down to three by
88 FL787 : If it was mentioned somewhere forgive me, but I haven't seen anyone mention that WN is back on the MCI-SEA route next summer. It's funny that they dec
89 mariner : I thought it was seasonal - it has never gone from the Southwest route map. mariner
90 Post contains links FL787 : It was still on the route map because it was in future schedules, up until March 8th anyway, so it wouldn't have been taken off until then. I found t
91 sunking737 : IF I was WN I would worry more about NK expanding then anything to do with F9. Someone in DAL must be busy keeping an eye out on everyone else. I wond
92 mariner : You're right, I had forgotten the timing of that. Is it Southwest putting the squeeze on MCI now? mariner
93 FL787 : I wouldn't know for certain. But in addition to WN restarting MCI-SEA, they're making MCI-LAX 3 daily (which is higher than I remember) and of course
94 mariner : Between Delta (MCI-JFK) and Southwest, there's a fair ol' squeeze goin' on. I don't think any of the Delta "retaliation" routes were ever dropped and
95 freakyrat : Quoting JA (Reply 66): Frontier has to have some form of uniqueness to survive and that means flying where Southwest doesn't fly. Obviously, it is goi
96 mariner : As we discussed in other threads, the remaining puzzle to me is the USA3000 flying at RSW. Again, Frontier is not "taking over" USA3000 - the airline
97 FL787 : Personally I don't think the slot swap will have much of an effect on DL at MCI. They already fly MCI-LGA 4x daily (mostly with S5 FWIW). The bigger
98 enilria : As I said in whatever thread that was, RSW and the other Florida stuff that USA3000 flew was a lead weight around the airline's neck. That flying is
99 atrude777 : Nah, MCI-LAX has seen up to 5 daily (Year 2002). Flights 1032 1270 461 1771 1791 When I worked CSA in STL, we routed a lot of STL-LAX folks via MCI i
100 Post contains links point2point : MCI-LAX on the T-100 Q32010 shows 712 pax per day. Then throw in BUR, 40 pax, LGB, 10 pax, ONT, 150 pax, and SNA, 189 pax, and there is about 1101 pa
101 atrude777 : Right! Like I said, shocking for me to see it go down so much compared to the 5 daily it used to see. I have a feeling though once DEN was added to t
102 mariner : That's been my point all along. But it is tough for me to believe that some RSW couldn't make money for three months of the year. Once USA3000 is wou
103 Post contains images point2point : Well, my thinking (whether correct or not) is that there is probably a cost (however minor it be) to file with the gov't to get Brendan AOC shut down
104 mariner : An AOC can have value. Northwest paid $2 million for the Independence Air AOC - it became Compass Airlines. It was a cheaper/faster shortcut for NWA,
105 enilria : Agreed, didn't they discard the Lynx AOC? They have plenty of them at RJET.
106 mariner : Do AOC's have a shelf life, or do they fall into abeyance or get revoked eventually? You probably know more about that than I do. mariner
107 ScottB : The big issue IMO is that USA3000's labor contracts might come along with the AOC if the airline is still operating (and some of the aircraft are com
108 Post contains links mariner : Of course, that's the point. But Frontier isn't Apple and does fly to RSW under its own steam. So I remain - very mildly - surprised that Frontier is
109 Post contains links FL787 : UA won that round of CHI-CUN, not U5: UA Gets ORD-CUN Route Authority (by MAH4546 Apr 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)
110 mariner : In that case it must have been the other way round and USA3000 got the ATA authority. USA3000 has an authority and those are the only two that have c
111 point2point : If so, then this would put acquiring the AOC into a different light. RSW is Florida, in the U.S., so F9 or any airline could just start services ther
112 mariner : Correct. RSW service has changed since USA3000 started flying - several airlines now compete on the various old USA3000 routes. Spirit is on ORD-RSW
113 ScottB : I would expect that you are correct there; allocating aircraft to point-to-point routes to RSW would mean taking them away from other parts of the ne
114 mariner : At the risk of making a bigger mountain of what was only ever a molehill, there is always the possibility that Frontier simply may not want to do it
115 Post contains links LAXintl : Frontier applied for a few more Mexico authorities today including the ORD-CUN one with a supporting argument. See: Frontier Applies For Additional Me
116 TZTriStar500 : An AOC requires at least one aircraft on the certificate and certain senior leadership positions be filled necessary for operations notably those in
117 mariner : As we've discussed on the other thread, I'll be surprised if the DOT buys the argument. But - you don't ask - you don't get. I'll be even more surpri
118 n7371f : Correct...and you would know. I'm trying to remember off top of my head the positions that Independence Air/FlyI Inc. and Frontier 1 had to keep to m
119 LAXintl : FAA required wise men 121: Director of safety, director of operations, chief pilot, director of maintenance, chief inspector 135: Director of operatio
120 bjorn14 : IIRC, All aircraft would be returned to lessors no later than the end of Q1 2012
121 ScottB : Yup, Spirit would almost certainly apply since they did last time. I could see VX jump in as they serve both ORD & CUN. As an even more off-the-w
122 Post contains images mariner : Surely it would be easier. But nothing written about the AOC requirements seems to raise impossible barriers - just a lot of housekeeping. Yes, mainl
123 alphascan : Yes, happy 10th M.
124 enilria : No, Mariner just meant that he is surprised F9 didn't full that void, BUT I promise Mariner that they have seen U5's P/Ls on RSW and that was enough
125 Post contains images point2point : Oy vey, that's a lot to take over for just a bunch of routes.... With that info, and all that seems to be involved here, I've changed my mind about w
126 Post contains images mariner : Thanks, A - and Enilria - and point2point - and all. It's been an extraordinary ten years, basically following one airline (which is what it is) whic
127 ScottB : Yeah, to throw a really wacky idea into the mix, some sort of deal where the U5 AOC ended up at California Pacific, along with RAH's leftover E170's,
128 Post contains images point2point : I don't think it's that wacky..... Just maybe the labor issue..... It's actually quite ingenious..... Now, just get everyone on a conference call....
129 mikefrommke : Can we guess that BB might step down at RJET and retain his role at F9 to focus solely on branded?
130 norcal : Posted on APC by a RAH pilot Strike vote results of the election are as follows: % return 98.86 Yes 99.25% No 0.75% Over 74% voted on the first day of
131 mariner : There have been rumors to that effect, but there have been rumors about everything. I just stick to what he actually said in the FAPA agreement - tha
132 PlaneAdmirer : Just to be clear - Is this is your 10th Anniversary of your being on A.net and 10th Anniversary of your posting about F9? Congrats on either or both!
133 mariner : A.net. I was writing about Frontier on Yahoo Finance for two or three years before that. But I was lucky - I lived in areas where there was broadband
134 point2point : So is there going to be a strike? And if so, when???
135 BostonMike : To paraphrase a former US Secretary of Defense, we know it to be an "unknowable". Under the Railway Labor Act, the mediator may release the two parti
136 norcal : Under the archaic RLA they can't strike any time soon, but it does send a clear message to management that they are not happy at all. I can't recall
137 Post contains images point2point : Thanks for the info...... And hopefully, with some profits starting to churn in from the F9 side, these negotiations will have somewhat of a smooth p
138 Post contains links righteouswind : Typical results, actually: Dec 1, 2007: "The Pinnacle pilot strike vote closed yesterday with 99.39% of pilots voting to strike...." Pinnacle Pilots
139 Post contains links mariner : If the reports of the results of the DCA/LGA slot auctions are true, an interesting situation has come up. Westjet has confirmed that it has won one o
140 Post contains links N80NA : looks like this will be F9's next E-190.............currently registered PT-TOC (test registration) to be re-registered N176HQ upon delivery cute pic,
141 smoot4208 : I could see them keeping 1-2 on the LGA route. DCA, I don't see them keeping MKE over MDW. However, for just one route, I'm not sure that would impac
142 enilria : What is CalPac? Do they have a wiki? As you can imagine I would be shocked if that happened. I agree it would be a greater challenge for him, but the
143 FRNT787 : California Pacific. They are trying to start up an E170 operation out of Carlsbad. I love that idea honestly. That would be tremendously beneficial t
144 mariner : We probably have a different view of the function of a CEO then. I think it plays to all his strengths. If the reports/rumors are true, Southwest bid
145 Post contains links and images point2point : Yes, they do actually, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Pacific_Airlines and also a website, which below is with their proposed routes. A
146 usairways787 : That would be a disaster for Bedford to come back to F9 as CEO. His reputation with us not a very good one at the moment. There'd have to be a lot mo
147 sideflare75 : Delivered last Friday along with 177HQ.
148 sideflare75 : Maybe I am missing it but I hardly see any media coverage here in MKE about Republic, Frontier, or BB. And I also don't think the people of MKE have
149 Post contains links mariner : Maybe we read different things - or interpret them differently. I thought it had all calmed down, that it was achieving some sense of perspective, ap
150 bjorn14 : At least with a short term lease CP will get the manuals and the E170s on their AOC.
151 knope2001 : I do have to second that as an MKE-local. Obviously there hasn't been a lot of good news in MKE about Frontier in the past year or so, especially wit
152 YXwatcherMKE : In regard to the editorial comment in the Labor union newsletter, that is a very sour grapes union complaint about how the union got the kick in the
153 MKENut : I remember people complaining when Midwest added Saver Service. Looking back, Midwest was slow to respond to change in the airline industry. AirTran'
154 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Courtesy the Associated Press Google. This story supports some of what has been discussed in these threads about vanishing smaller airframes across th
155 Post contains links mariner : The MBJ is having a bit of a field day with all this: http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...-pulse-frontier-flying-out-of.html "Business Pulse: Fron
156 YXwatcherMKE : Yes, you are correct, the business traveler did complain about Saver Service on the MD-80's because of the low number of the "normal" 2-2 seats. It w
157 mke717spotter : While I agree it'd be odd for anyone to make a big deal of FL's return to the top spot, I don't see any reason why F9's temporary lead in September s
158 enilria : Rather than say I was right all the times I have said that it is virtually impossible to make a profit with fuel at these levels on a sub 70 seater R
159 knope2001 : Actually, that was key to my point. They did not write an article that Frontier returned to the top spot in September, and I agree with that decision
160 Post contains images mariner : No, that isn't the argument I make, nor do I know who the disappointing team is. I think a CEO needs very particular skills, but it's old ground. Sam
161 mcg : My dad said that, thanks for the memories!
162 enilria : It looks like F9 will cut ABQ to just two flights per day starting in April and continuing to infinity. Sad, that is one of F9's oldest markets and on
163 jetmatt777 : OKC also gets reduced pretty good this winter/spring. Some days just one Airbus on a mid-day turn. Late spring/Summer looks a little better with 2 Ai
164 mariner : Hmmm? I think the intention is not to have a repeat of the big loss of last Q1. I don't see much point in offering the seats if people don't want to
165 JA : My concern is that F9's service density in DEN is dropping in some markets to the point where they are unusable. Frankly, you cannot survive on your l
166 azstar : I agree. While infrequent service means lower overall costs , it increases the cost of flight per passenger. This strategy also attracts ONLY the pas
167 enilria : I should add. These changes are not things I just noticed. They are changes that were loaded into the system over the weekend. They are on top of a l
168 mariner : (a) the summer schedule isn't out yet and (b) I have never heard anyone say that DEN was profitable last Q1/Q2. mariner
169 rampart : I would almost bet money on it. At the very least, WN has positive and close PR relationships with the Post. Contrast that with the treatment in the
170 enilria : The June and early July schedule is for sale on f9.com. I call that Summer. It isn't final for sure, but they are making changes to it each week. The
171 mariner : That's right - it isn't final. "Better than expected"? LOL. Given what many - here - expect of DEN that isn't a high bar. mariner
172 enilria : So, it almost sounds like you are agreeing with me that DEN is not doing well for F9. I thought the conventional wisdom on this thread was that all t
173 mariner : No, I don't agree. When have I subscribed to the Conventional Wisdom? As I've said - so many times - that has been true pretty much as long as I have
174 GentFromAlaska : If you mean attempt to acquire AA nah, RAH is to small. I do foresee F9 and other airlines taking considerable market share away from AA in the marke
175 enilria : I don't mean that LOL. I mean that RJET can't sell F9. AA wants to get rid of a bunch of old fuel hungry airplanes and they only have about 18 months
176 Post contains images point2point : Does RAH currently have any fixed-fee flying that they are doing for AA? If so, this would make them a creditor in this case, and they do have someth
177 enilria : According to Wikipedia, 10% of RJET's CPA flying is with AA. Regardless, I meant that BB might try to place the F9 aircraft @ AA in return for more E
178 Post contains images point2point : I think that I knew that that's what you meant buddy.... I would think that the RAH legal staff is busy right now, at least in filing a claim as a cr
179 Post contains images mariner : Hmmm? Where does that come from? mariner
180 Post contains images point2point : I think that it's being pounded into the insides of my brain by some people on these threads here...... Nonetheless, there's an old saying that goes
181 Post contains images mariner : I could easily have it wrong, but is not my understanding that Republic (RAH-RJET-the parent) wants to exit fixed fee flying. I've lived by that. mar
182 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmmmm? Are we maybe having an argument about the same thing here? That's happened to me before at least more than once in my lifetime..... At any r
183 mariner : Dunno. I'm a bit lost. When you said: I was surprised by that statement. Maybe - I'm just not sure what. Once again, I'm content to wait and see what
184 Post contains links mariner : So I didn't have to use the mattress - I didn't fall over in shock. As in this thread: Frontier Applies For Additional Mexico Routes (by LAXintl Nov
185 Post contains images point2point : Besides learning a new word today - fleer - I'm surprised that after 10 years here, anything would surprise or shock you at this point, buddy. I thin
186 enilria : I'm with Mariner. RJET has stated the opposite, that they wish to exit the branded operation and sell or spin it off as soon as possible. That is exp
187 Post contains images mariner : Oh, mate, the joys of tired typing. I was working on a new play until dawn this morning, I'd only had two hours sleep when I wrote that. I love those
188 mariner : Since I was asked - here - about the AMR Chapter 11 filing, I've been taking a look at it and I can't see that it affects Frontier much in any way. It
189 enilria : He always says optimistic things about F9 earnings and then they almost always disappoint on the branded side. There will be a lot more going back. I
190 righteouswind : AMR's bankruptcy could be a major positive for RJET's fixed-fee business given the likely scope relaxation that will result. The main reason for AMR'
191 mariner : Really, I shrug. Anything can happen - I cannot predict the future. But if you don't want my opinion, why ask for it?: - just to disagree? It gets te
192 n917me : My Dickie bird is telling me to expect TYS-MCO flights really soon
193 FRNT787 : Now that I like. Are you hearing anything about E190/A318/A319?
194 Post contains images mikefrommke : Seems good to me. I'd bet they'd fly it with whatever they fly DEN-TYS with . Or maybe they'd start MKE-TYS-MCO .
195 Post contains images enilria : Everybody has a dickie bird nowadays. I don't doubt that is true and I expect future F9 looks a lot more like Allegiant and a lot less like a DEN hub
196 smoot4208 : Which is why I think they should give DEN-GDL another shot. Possibly ZCL as well On a side note, with their new strategy of "Not less DEN, just more
197 enilria : Oh, there is clearly less DEN, have you seen the frequency changes they have published for 2012? I agree, but I think they need to do a much better j
198 mariner : Given the long, combative posting history between us, then - yet again - I shrug. And say - yet again - that I don't come here to fight. I'd like to
199 Post contains links and images mariner : The joke is that in Frontier's original polling letter, Airtran had not objected to Frontier's ORD-CUN application. So it looked, for just as moment,
200 GentFromAlaska : I think they call those growing pains. A little humiliation amongst lawyers and the airlines can be a good thing.
201 GentFromAlaska : Are we sure it's MCO? Someone mentioned they thought it might be TYS-MCI One character does separate the two airports. I've misinterpreted myself a t
202 Post contains images point2point : Per the T-100 Q3 2010... MCO-TYS - 350 ppd MCI-TYS - 33 ppd I would think that it's MCO, but hey, this is the airline biz after all.....
203 enilria : Regardless of F9's future, I think that this is a case like I have been talking about where they need to start treating WN as an "advantaged" carrier
204 GentFromAlaska : Concur the numbers do support MCO. The fact that F9 operates a focus city of sorts at MCI also made since. I can't for the best of me think of any on
205 Post contains images mke717spotter : Seems to me like it'd be another one of those 3x weekly E190 routes, and unfortunately I have a feeling that we won't be seeing any MKE additions for
206 FRNT787 : I agree. The E190 is absolutely brilliant for this type flying, so I look forward to more potentially. It is important to note, that with the 2 new b
207 mikefrommke : I might like to see them try 4x TYS-MCO and 3x TYS-LAS (kind of like what they did with the OMA-LAX/MCO routes). It is really too bad. I fear MKE in
208 n7371f : They're all parked, all 24 of them.
209 Post contains links mariner : Surely, that has to be the key? I see it is now official that JetBlue won the slots at DCA/LGA: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/JetBlu...itional-prnews
210 mke717spotter : I'm just not convinced that trimming MKE-LGA/DCA will cause WN/FL to slash the MKE hub entirely. If those are the only two routes along with DSM/CAK
211 mariner : Neither do I, I don't think they have any intention of slashing the hub. But any reduction changes things for Frontier, and, as I said, Southwest may
212 TZTriStar500 : As an update, the two aircraft are N261AV (MSN 1615) and N263AV (MSN 1860). Neither will be re-registered, but referred to internally as 218 and 219,
213 mikefrommke : I don't think they will draw down in one fell swoop, or really even draw down at all. What probably will happen is a reorganization of their flights
214 Metrojet732 : Please explain to me in the grand scheme of things, why would WN choose to fly MKE – DCA/LGA over cities already in the WN system. Since when did WN
215 sunking737 : Thanks for the update.
216 FRNT787 : I agree. The issue is though, that any marked reduction to important destinations shows a reduced reliance on the MKE operation. It shows that WN is
217 Post contains links and images mariner : There has been some discussion in other threads about the future size of United at CLE and whether it will retain hub status. I think it will, but I t
218 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Makes you want to hoist the BS flag The taxpayer can only hope someone at the DOT has enough common sense to ka-bash the request.
219 PacificF27 : Some random Frontier thoughts-------Seems like "connect the dots" is a way for F9 to go: There has been mention on here about TYS-MCO. How about PVU-L
220 CarsAir04 : Understand what you are saying but F9 does have flights from COS to DEN that connect to most of the flights out of Denver and typically the cost is t
221 Post contains images mariner : Just for fun, here's a photo that came to me this morning and is now in the Denver Post: The DP credits the photo to Frontier Airlines zone controller
222 YXwatcherMKE : The Colorado region got hit with some of the very strong winds that hit California Thursday and Friday. My Son lives in Fort Collins, CO about 50 mil
223 Post contains links and images mariner : While we're doing photos, here's the latest E190: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcspott...6449079137/sizes/l/in/photostream/ It;s pretty but it's anoth
224 YXwatcherMKE : Thanks Mariner, Nice Picture, any idea where it was taken?
225 smoot4208 : Mariner, Do you know how many airplanes are still flying in the YX colors? I was curious if any of the remaining E170s, ERJs or E190s are in the Midwe
226 mariner : The photographer is called DC Spotter - I don't know if "D.C." is a clue - DCA? Sorry - no, I don't know. I'll put out the word to a dickie bird, but
227 YXwatcherMKE : YES,once again you are spot on, I check it out on Flickr and that is where he is from.
228 azstar : I flew E190 aircraft #171 a couple of weeks ago. It was in Midwest colors.
229 knope2001 : There are a few. All remaining E135 are still in YX colors. There were six birds originally and there remain two lines of E135 flying (essentially th
230 GentFromAlaska : Without looking at the schedule do the E190 even fly into DCA, from anywhere? MKE I suppose. The reason I ask because DCA has been gangbusters it see
231 Post contains links CarsAir04 : Another o so great article by the hometown newspaper on Frontier. No faith do they have. Frontier's fate uncertain as it prepares to separate from Rep
232 FRNT787 : There was a YX painted E190 floating through Sky Harbor yesterday. I was airside not in the terminal, so not sure if it was doing BKG or DEN. Am I ri
233 DBCooper : The 190 is used at DCA for service to MCI, MKE and OMA. - DBC
234 sideflare75 : Knope was right except only 2 of the 170's are Midwest colors. The other is the white Republic paint scheme. And I know someone mentioned it but the
235 jgrantco : Curious as to what parts of the article are not accurate? I don't have insider info and my friends at F9 don't work in positions that give that type
236 Post contains links mariner : Long time readers may recall that I have considerable affection for TYS - Knoxville. My late writing partner had a farm there and that was the base fo
237 timf : At last check N165HQ, N168HQ, and N171HQ were all still in Midwest colors, while N173HQ was in house colors. Has one of the first three been repainte
238 Post contains links pilotfox : My list shows 3 E190s still in Midwest paint. http://flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php...gory:Midwest_Airlines#Embraer_E145 I don't think any E135s have b
239 sideflare75 : Those are 190's. I was talking about the 170's. So in total there are 3 135s, 2 170s and 3 190s still in Midwest blue.
240 pilotfox : Any idea what E135s are left? Were the others put back out in the desert?
241 sideflare75 : N836RP nose# 836 N28529 nose# 851 N12530 nose# 852 I do not know where the other 3 went. Also since you guys like to keep track of these kinds of thi
242 Post contains images yellowtail : B6 yes, NK not so much...they have failed for the most part in cities such as SAP. but they do have the deep pockets to stick it out. sounds like the
243 flyinryan99 : Actually, CAK did not receive the SCASD grant. They applied for one, but did not receive it. IMO, they don't need it. With the AirTran brand recognit
244 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I'm driving through Knoxville from Nashville to visit family in NE TN over the holidays. I'll look for any signage along I-40, I-75 and I-81 to see i
245 enilria : TYS wrote a huge check, so nothing surprising there. That's the F9 route planning strategy. Big check=service. I think the MCO service has a better c
246 Post contains links mikefrommke : New Service (albeit only a few flights): 2x weekly MCI-TPA for spring: http://media.frontierairlines.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5305 Ha! From
247 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In a sense WN would have provided service between TYS-LAS through the WN/FL merger had WN not pulled the plug. I don't think TYS anticipated FL being
248 Post contains links and images mariner : You got it. That's correct. I jumped the gun on that one, sorry. Someone saw one outside Chattanooga and posted it here - I can't recall which thread
249 mikefrommke : I think this service only has about 18 flights total over its runtime. Unless it gets extended beyond seasonal I don't know if these are anything mor
250 mariner : I think you're probably quite right. Of all the routes available for such a service, I think it is an interesting choice, all the same. Up until quit
251 smoot4208 : I am surprised that MCI-SAT didn't do well. With them building up MCI, you would think MCI-RDU, PIT, SAT, MH would all do well
252 mikefrommke : Unfortunately it was sub-daily. I'm glad AUS has been able to stick around but I fear it may follow the same fate unless they can expand it a bit to
253 Post contains links FL787 : Republic posted their fleet plan for 2012 finally: http://www.rjet.com/investorrelations.html (financial report>fleet plan) It's a little out of da
254 smoot4208 : So by Q2, F9 will be down to just 3 ERJ/ER3s. I wonder if they have taken into account that if no one else bids on the 2 EAS markets, then they will
255 mikefrommke : I wonder if they might be E70s. The "charter" fleet count shows 5 74-76 seaters which I think is the number of Q400s they have left? I cannot remembe
256 Post contains links righteouswind : http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...E3NzQxfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1 Slide 3: "Restructuring effort along with significant network and fleet
257 Post contains links righteouswind : "Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV), the biggest fare discounter, said it faces more pressure to trim labor and operating costs since American Airlines join
258 smoot4208 : I find this very interesting. I'm really not sure how many of the MKE routes can survive if they are upgraded to the E190. But maybe they don't plan
259 knope2001 : Interesting that two public-facing documents are issued at virtually the same time which are apparently contradictory on the issue of ERJ/E170/Q400 fl
260 FL787 : The fleet plan I gave a link for is dated November 7th versus today for the slides so they are certainly different ages.
261 knope2001 : Thanks for catching that. It's possible they changed their decision on this in the narrow window between 11/7 and whenever this slide show presentati
262 SurfandSnow : So, to become profitable at DEN, F9 needs to: 1) Make popular destinations like MSY, TPA, and BOI "seasonal" 2) Continue slashing frequency/capacity
263 mariner : That is not my understanding of the primary intention. I don't see that Frontier is trying to escape "the wrath of Southwest" when they add routes li
264 TZTriStar500 : But its not that low if the E190s are factored in and even if its Airbus only, they're still far from industry leading CASM. I don't think they can g
265 mcg : What's amazing about this presentation is that it boils down to fixed fee is good, branded is bad. Which is 180 degrees apart from the process that b
266 righteouswind : The industry leading remark was in reference to LCCs (i.e. JetBlue) not ULCCs. They hope to be in the ballpark of the ULCCs within a year. You are wr
267 mariner : I don't know where you're getting that from. It is playing out exactly as I believed it would, and as described by BB in the staff Q&A: "Q. The m
268 knope2001 : Could you elaborate on what the primary intention seems to be? True...they are not likely to catch G4 or NK, but they are targeting a lower CASM than
269 knope2001 : LOL...you addressed this in the prior post while I was writing mine...
270 righteouswind : The E190s can be i) sold, ii) flown under a prorate agreement with a separated Frontier (hint: RJET is unlikely to sell/spin off more than half of Fr
271 mariner : I'll take it further. I laid out a scenario that I thought would happen, and it was confirmed in that same Q&A: "Q. Is the plan to put Frontier i
272 yellowtail : agree agree 100% In my book, if you sell a majority stake then you are effectively selling the airline.....you first sell a majority and then bit by
273 mariner : See post #271 - nothing has changed except, perhaps, the timeline. mariner
274 smoot4208 : I would say that becoming an ULCC would be an alternative solution. Without any changes though, the only other option is what they are currently doin
275 Post contains images mariner : It should never be forgotten that Frontier wasn't doing all that well - financially - before Southwest came to DEN. mariner
276 TZTriStar500 : What presentation did this come from because page 13 of the airline conference presentation states 7.23¢ for the nine months ended Sept. 30, 2011 fo
277 mariner : It all depends on the deal - and the balance sheet. Republic - BB - is already exercising "some control" over the separated airline by finalizing the
278 Post contains links righteouswind : It came from RJET's third quarter earnings press release wherein only part of the restructuring was implemented (last paragraph of Branded Segment Su
279 Post contains links mariner : That was said on the day it was announced. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/2463...c-split-sell-frontier-airlines.htm "Republic Airways announced Tues
280 TZTriStar500 : Then this is different than the conference presentation. Yes, of course I'm aware of the legal implications of contracts, but first, they're not fore
281 bjorn14 : Hmmm....so all the new 319NEOs are going to Republic? or sell it to someone else......
282 flyinryan99 : I agree with you. In my opinion (which probably isn't worth much), they need to have a good mix of major markets and small/medium markets to build th
283 mikefrommke : I would certainly think they are. While they are owned by the same company, each of the individual companies need to keep their own books and contrac
284 mcg : The way I interpret the presentation is that RJET is telling the investor world that the fixed fee business is a stable and profitable business. This
285 righteouswind : Reality has changed for RJET's fixed-fee since 2008/09: since then RJET won new 70+ seat flying from Delta and AMR has filed for BK allowing for a ma
286 mariner : Then I guess I'm not explaining myself - or how I see it - very well. If that is your interpretation, I doubt I'll dissuade you, but I will try: I ha
287 Post contains links and images mariner : This thread is getting long, so I've started #30: New Frontier/Republic #30 (by mariner Dec 7 2011 in Civil Aviation) With the November traffic stats
288 righteouswind : Moved to next thread[Edited 2011-12-07 11:07:51]
289 Post contains links srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: New Frontier/Republic #30 (by mariner Dec 7 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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