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FL To Close Certain Stations In 2012  
User currently offlineXcltflyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix...-newsArticle&ID=1629590&highlight=

[Edited 2011-11-11 13:47:07]

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12931 times:

"AirTran Airways says it can no longer support service to these particular markets in light of the realities of the challenging economic environment and sustained high fuel prices."

Translation: These particular markets do not fit into WN operational model.



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12924 times:
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Glad to see GRR and FNT not on this list. Commuting options are always a good thing.


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User currently offlineXcltflyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12895 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):

"AirTran Airways says it can no longer support service to these particular markets in light of the realities of the challenging economic environment and sustained high fuel prices."

Translation: These particular markets do not fit into WN operational model.

  


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

TYS, MIA, BMI, CRW, and IAD, although IAD will keep its WN operation as is.

Hmmm.... sure gonna ruin the speculation in a lot of other threads...  

But anyway, really sad to those employees affected, and all the best for them.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12803 times:

Quoting point2point,reply=4

:
Hmmm.... sure gonna ruin the speculation in a lot of other threads...

Got that right! I guess MIA and WN couldn't come to a fee agreement suitable for WN ops. IAD is a bit of a surprise, but WN already (barely) serves the station so...

The loss of FL at BMI is really going to change the dynamics of the Central Illinois market. PIA may be the biggest winner in this case.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12746 times:

BMI surprises me. DL lost a big corporate contract in the market to FL recently. I really thought that would make WN viable there, but I suspect WN doesn't think they could grow it to the size they want their stations to be.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

TYS and CRW are less-than-daily leftovers from the days when AirTran wanted to do battle with Allegiant, so I'm not surprised at those two leaving the FL system. IAD already has Southwest, so no loss there. As for MIA, I think that the extremely high cost per enplanement at MIA drove WN+FL away.

However, I am surprised to see BMI leave the FL system. Didn't FL sign a 5-year corporate travel deal with State Farm Insurance (based in the area) recently? I wonder if WN will honor it via MDW. One can assume that Delta will switch their ATL flights to CR2s and reduce the frequency now that FL is gone. And I don't think BMI would work for Allegiant, as G4 serves nearby PIA. Also of note: BMI still offers free parking, so I wonder if BMI will start charging for parking to make up for the revenue shortfall from losing FL.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
One can assume that Delta will switch their ATL flights to CR2s and reduce the frequency now that FL is gone. And I don't think BMI would work for Allegiant, as G4 serves nearby PIA.

Bad news for BMI will be good news for SPI/PIA/CMI which will gain back some of the traffic currently being lost to BMI.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
One can assume that Delta will switch their ATL flights to CR2s and reduce the frequency now that FL is gone.

Of course I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't count DL out of the route. When everyone predicted that DL would do the same at MLI when FL pulled out, I had everyone jumping down my throat telling me I would be eating humble pie because I predicted they would maintain present levels. A year later now and we still have four CR7 flights a day to ATL, and sometimes they even use CR9s on the routes. I'm not saying this will last forever, but I'm just happy things are still going well for DL here at MLI, and I certainly hope present levels prevail down the road at BMI.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12323 times:

This article also mentions that these changes will be "incorporated into AirTran’s flight schedule extension to be published on Nov. 13, 2011."

Isn't that the day also that floating around the threads here that WN is also supposed to release a schedule as well?


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
This article also mentions that these changes will be "incorporated into AirTran’s flight schedule extension to be published on Nov. 13, 2011."

Isn't that the day also that floating around the threads here that WN is also supposed to release a schedule as well?

I obviously don't expect it, but it would be pretty funny if a mere two days from now we see announcements about WN introducing IAD-ATL service and opening a station at BMI on June 3, 2012.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12185 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
Isn't that the day also that floating around the threads here that WN is also supposed to release a schedule as well?

Yes.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Bad news for BMI will be good news for SPI/PIA/CMI which will gain back some of the traffic currently being lost to BMI.

As for who will benefit the most from FL leaving BMI, remember this old saying: "Will it play in Peoria"?

In reality, the whole Central Illinois market is sized for only one strong airport, but it has four weak airports. Now that FL is leaving MLI, the catalyst is in place for much-needed regionalization in the area.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 12):

In reality, the whole Central Illinois market is sized for only one strong airport, but it has four weak airports. Now that FL is leaving MLI, the catalyst is in place for much-needed regionalization in the area.

Realistically, BMI is the best located to be that airport. It's essentially an hour or less to all of Springfield, Peoria, Decatur, and Champaign/Urbana in different directions. It will be interesting to see what plays out.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 5):
Quoting point2point,reply=4

:
Hmmm.... sure gonna ruin the speculation in a lot of other threads...


Got that right! I guess MIA and WN couldn't come to a fee agreement suitable for WN ops

I don't think that at all. I still think that WN will announce its own service there at a later date. To call 1 flt a day to 1 city with 1 employee a "big closure" is ridiculous. Naturally, I don't wish anyone lose their jobs, but number-wise, it IS as small an operation as it can possibly be. I'm still thinking WN will do MIA with eventually up to 35flts a day.

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
This article also mentions that these changes will be "incorporated into AirTran’s flight schedule extension to be published on Nov. 13, 2011."

Isn't that the day also that floating around the threads here that WN is also supposed to release a schedule as well?

Yes, and the schedule coming out NOV 13 is fact, not a rumor. Everytime a new schedule is presented, they also include when the next one will be released. No secret.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Bad news for BMI will be good news for SPI/PIA/CMI which will gain back some of the traffic currently being lost to BMI.

Perhaps we'll see G4 announced PIA-SFB and DL announced PIA-ATL soon?

BMI's airport director, Carl Olsen, met with WN officials in Dallas a month or so ago, but if WN were going to announce say, BMI-BWI/DEN/BNA, wouldn't they have done it at the same time as the FL announcement?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
BMI's airport director, Carl Olsen, met with WN officials in Dallas a month or so ago, but if WN were going to announce say, BMI-BWI/DEN/BNA, wouldn't they have done it at the same time as the FL announcement?

Given that we know that WN isn't leaving IAD and yet they've discussed a "closure" there, I wouldn't count WN out of any of these cities for another week or so (that's not to say that I'm especially optimistic about BMI).



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11412 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 6):
BMI surprises me.

Not to me. It was a long time coming, but it will be annoying when Delta drops their frequencies though. My family and I generally drive to St. Louis anyway, and I suspect that's exactly what a lot more people in the area will end up doing (or Chicago).

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 6):
I really thought that would make WN viable there, but I suspect WN doesn't think they could grow it to the size they want their stations to be.

No, and a lot of those pax will probably leak to MDW, IND and STL anyway since fares won't be dropping.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 5):
The loss of FL at BMI is really going to change the dynamics of the Central Illinois market. PIA may be the biggest winner in this case.

Fares are going to spike, perhaps save Allegiant. AirTran and the proximity to larger cities saved them from the typical small town fares somewhat, but I think that's over.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
Also of note: BMI still offers free parking, so I wonder if BMI will start charging for parking to make up for the revenue shortfall from losing FL.

I highly doubt that. Doing so might sign their own death warrant as people will flock to PIA and SPI and those from the eastern parts of the state would go ahead and use CMI.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 12):
In reality, the whole Central Illinois market is sized for only one strong airport, but it has four weak airports.

That's about the size of it. Having CAT and State Farm (plus ADM and Deere to some extent) split is probably the enabler that has kept no airport from gaining an upper hand.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
Perhaps we'll see G4 announced PIA-SFB and DL announced PIA-ATL soon?

Atlanta will probably take some time to come back, but Allegiant restarting Orlando would be a no-brainer to me.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11379 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Given that we know that WN isn't leaving IAD and yet they've discussed a "closure" there, I wouldn't count WN out of any of these cities for another week or so (that's not to say that I'm especially optimistic about BMI).

Help me out here, Cubs. Or anyone.

Given that Southwest is coming into a bunch of DCA slots - ex-Airtran - what is the value of IAD? According to the Southwest route map, it's only two routes - DEN and MDW - and since it started with more, I assume those others have been dropped.

I understood IAD before - I thought it was a pretty good move - but with DCA coming up I'm not sure I see the point of it.

mariner



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
Given that Southwest is coming into a bunch of DCA slots - ex-Airtran - what is the value of IAD? According to the Southwest route map, it's only two routes - DEN and MDW - and since it started with more, I assume those others have been dropped.

They have, and I don't think IAD is a great performer for them.

But let me take (or at least suggest) a contrary view to yours on IAD. Adding DCA service will permit them WN to grow in D.C. It will not, however, permit WN to serve three of its largest stations: DEN, PHX and LAS. I wonder if a presence at DCA makes IAD-PHX/LAS/DEN more viable because it generally makes WN bigger in D.C. In such a scenario, IAD-MDW might stick around on the sheer strength of the MDW hub.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11250 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
But let me take (or at least suggest) a contrary view to yours on IAD.

I don't have a contrary view - as I said I thought it was a good idea. I'm a bit surprised it's cut so much.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
It will not, however, permit WN to serve three of its largest stations: DEN, PHX and LAS.

I'd understand that - but it doesn't serve PHX and LAS from IAD now. I don't follow Southwest, so I don't know what it actually did, but it certainly announced IAD-LAS

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...r-newest-destination-56026422.html

"Southwest Airlines will begin its Dulles service with a total of 12 daily nonstop departures to the following cities: Chicago Midway (seven daily), Las Vegas (one daily), Orlando (two daily), and Tampa Bay (two daily)."

I'm just confused.

mariner



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
I'd understand that - but it doesn't serve PHX and LAS from IAD now. I don't follow Southwest, so I don't know what it actually did, but it certainly announced IAD-LAS

IAD-LAS was a loser when they ran it, and it would be a loser today. But I wonder if it would work with a 25 flight operation at DCA that would make the whole D.C. operation bigger. AA has run IAD-LAX successfully and, I think, without ever cutting it since they lost TW's DCA-LAX slots, so the idea of a "split operation" is not without precedent.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11141 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
IAD-LAS was a loser when they ran it, and it would be a loser today. But I wonder if it would work with a 25 flight operation at DCA that would make the whole D.C. operation bigger. AA has run IAD-LAX successfully and, I think, without ever cutting it since they lost TW's DCA-LAX slots, so the idea of a "split operation" is not without precedent.

Maybe, I dunno, you may be well be right. Is it really worth it? I mean - presumably - some IAD-MDW frequency will transfer to DCA?

I don't have a horse in this race, but it seems a heck of an expensive way of doing it to me, and simply unusual for the otherwise always efficient (and pragmatic) Southwest.

mariner



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
I don't have a horse in this race, but it seems a heck of an expensive way of doing it to me, and simply unusual for the otherwise always efficient (and pragmatic) Southwest.

The bottom line is this: for the foreseeable future, if they want a west coast-D.C. presence, they have no choice. A west coast-D.C. presence has value. I don't know if it has sufficient value to overcome the inherent inefficiency.

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
I mean - presumably - some IAD-MDW frequency will transfer to DCA?

I don't think the two overlap as much as you think. I bet most of the "DCA-MDW" traffic on WN today is using BWI because it's so much easier to get in to the District.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11049 times:

So FL was already ending MLI and now BMI is being added to the list. Anyone think that a consolidated WN might at some point start service to RFD? Apparently they had looked at starting service there in the past, but after WN started MKE that pretty much fizzled out.


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25 mariner : Yes, I understand that. mariner
26 TOLtommy : I'm sure they'll try, but that's quite a hike up 55. I would imagine the senior sales reps from DL and AA will be on the first flights to BMI Monday
27 TOLtommy : Doubtful. The days of WN favoring secondary airports is over. The business model has changed.
28 wjcandee : Ugh. They are already using that annoying Southwest capitalization style in their press releases.
29 WWTRAVELER99 : I wouldn't count these out yet. June is a long way away. Typically WN will open or announce a new station 4 to 6 months in advance. So they could sim
30 Kcrwflyer : IAD aside, the cities that FL is pulling are done..
31 Post contains images FlyPeoria : Central Illinois has two strong (BMI and PIA) airports and two weak airports (CMI and SPI), plus an EAS airport (DEC). Some are speculating that UA m
32 Post contains images SurfandSnow : So the rumors about 5 cities getting cut were correct, but I'm pretty none of us got 5/5 correct! 1) CRW - Everyone knew this one was a goner. A marke
33 bobnwa : What was the account DL lost
34 atlprep1 : While sad news for BMI, this is certainly good news for the folks at SPI who I think will benefit the most...as there will no longer be a compelling r
35 TOLtommy : See reply 7. Like a good neighbor, sales reps will be calling.....
36 Kcrwflyer : Humorous 1 man focus-group on the discontinued markets. You act as if the cuts are over....
37 Flytravel : It will lose nonstop access to ATL by one carrier, and Florida access. However, those pax can fly FL out of DCA. Unless, WN launches IAD-ATL, when th
38 kbmiflyer : My understanding is the SPI-DFW flights are somehow subsidized. I would be surprised if a third flight is added (I am somewhat surprised they started
39 Kcrwflyer : Someone gets it! That's what's happening. This is just round two.. I wouldn't be surprised to see round three in Spring and round four come summer/fa
40 AVLAirlineFreq : Yes...can we expect WN/FL to announce additional closures at some point over the next 6 months? And will there be any signal given as to "all clear"
41 atrude777 : I have a feeling contracts are whats causing the "Series" of closures, and not everything at once, with vendors, and subsidiaries etc etc. (Feeling n
42 F9Fan : BWI is very well integrated into the Washington DC/Baltimore transit systems. There is a commuter rail and light rail station at the airport as well
43 Cubsrule : I don't understand why TYS couldn't/can't work if GSP works - the fundamentals are really similar; TYS is somewhat smaller but has the University and
44 Flytravel : I wonder if GSP made it into the system just with good luck and timing, in the sense that it was announced prior to the FL acquisition and approval.
45 Cubsrule : Downtown Columbia-GSP: 109 miles Downtown Asheville-GSP: 63 miles Downtown Augusta-GSP: 130 miles Meanwhile . . . Downtown Asheville-TYS: 129 miles D
46 RamblinMan : Agreed. I honestly expected WN to grow TYS. It's about 180 miles to BNA, not exactly close.
47 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think when it's all said and done you will see southwest keep only about 10 to 15 airtran cities total. As for seeing a big annocements tomarrow of
48 Post contains images FlyPeoria : AA's 2 SPI-DFW flights replaced 2 SPI-ORD. Load factors increased with the shift, but there is money from the airport to cover costs if necessary. Pe
49 HSVXJ : Wow. HSV survived another round. From the very beginning, I hoped that HSV would stay, though if I had to put money on it, I would say that they would
50 Post contains links atrude777 : I have no idea if this is going to weigh in or be factored or if I am just reading into this... When you use the "all cities" and mouse over ATL at ww
51 727LOVER : Why don't all these cities/airports just buy off WN like ECP did?
52 Kcrwflyer : DCA-HSV on WN is impossible. And in the realm of impossible things, it's less possible than many other impossibilities. Look for HOU if they do stick
53 Post contains links MLI717fan : It'll be interesting to see how this news impacts G4 at PIA. Since G4 announced MLI service, G4 passenger counts at PIA and CID are down significantly
54 CIDFlyer : Too bad for BMI, that is a huge blow to them IMO. I dont think G4 would start there given its proximity to PIA. To be honest I was surprised G4 start
55 enilria : I think this move, which basically means that IAD isn't important enough to have ATL service, is consistent with my theory that the only reason WN st
56 steex : Based on the PIA statistics you showed after the MLI service introduction, I actually wonder if G4 might consider moving the PIA service to BMI inste
57 DCA-ROCguy : Only had time to scan-read the 56 posts, but didn't see this, forgive me if already said: Re IAD. Remember our recent long thread about how WN is indi
58 FlyPNS1 : It's the only reason WN ever started IAD. WN got nervous after the Independence Air experiment drained some BWI traffic and then B6 started growing I
59 mariner : I think a lot of people overestimated the potential at TYS - including the people at TYS. Frontier's DEN service did terrifically well in summer - 95
60 FWAERJ : G4 moved their LAN service to GRR, so anything is possible.
61 Cubsrule : Length is the problem with TYS-DEN. You can't get much more money than to, say, MEM but it's 300 miles further (MEM-DEN is roughly the length of LAX-
62 MLI717fan : I guess that is a possiblility, G4 did consolidate another station into their GRR operaiton. I think they did something similar with their service at
63 mariner : All that may be true, but I'd still rather see Frontier expand at TYS than drop it and MCO is an easy way of boosting the numbers - not necessarily t
64 Post contains links FlyPeoria : I did a little checking. http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/i...owprice_airline_allegiant_mov.html Seems BMI has one advantage but one disadvantage.
65 YNGguins : What do you guys think will happen with CLE-CAK? I know some on here believe the two will each keep Southwest, but since CAK would seem to be the dire
66 Post contains images mariner : If I had my druthers, Frontier would shift DEN-CAK to DEN-CLE - especially in view of the fact that Frontier will now be serving CLE for Apple Vacati
67 enilria : This is only the beginning AND expect that as they start cutting northern spokes there will be balancing pressure to cut Florida to the South. We are
68 steex : It's obviously hypothetical, but like I said, I think the impetus for the move would be that they continue to be the best option for people from Peor
69 mariner : If "we all know it" - why say it? Yes, load factors are no guarantee of profitability. They may - may - be evidence of demand. As to the "subsidy" is
70 FlyPNS1 : It's a horrible market for short haul travel which is mostly what LCC's focus on. IAD is good for two things...transcons and international. That's ho
71 atrude777 : I think in this time, CAK will win, the very fact WN gave CAK non stop service to DEN before CLE ( a long standing station for Southwest) should tell
72 mariner : We all raised our eyebrows when Frontier started DEN-CAK. It's done well, but that isn't to say CLE couldnl't do better. And given that Frontier has
73 fatflyer : Another reason given by G4 at the time for the move was LAN was too close to multiple low fare competitors that were battling at DTW (and FNT) at the
74 steex : Exactly, I think this was the primary reason for their move - I think the runway was just an excuse to throw in that really didn't have significant i
75 FlyPeoria : I could be wrong, but I doubt there'd be much advantage by shifting service to another airport just 50 miles east.
76 steex : Obviously I could be wrong about it making a difference too, but 50 miles is 40 minutes of driving, and a lot of people to the south and east would b
77 Post contains links kbmiflyer : Related to this conversation, it looks like PIA will be getting DL flights to Atlanta again soon. Given this news, I don't see it likely that DL will
78 stlgph : the biggest winners for AirTran leaving BMI and if there is a spike of central illinois airfares- St. Louis Indianapolis
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