will777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 174 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5725 times:
Was looking the other day at some flights to LA, and was surprised that DL has a single daily flight between PHL and LAX with a 737-800. I was unaware of this service, but know that recently, UA dropped the route. Does anyone know when this service started?
gizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5504 times:
I did a google search on DL PHLLAX start date and I found a post just click on the link below. It shows posting date of Aug 31,2011.
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5369 times:
Yes it was announced shortly after UA cut PHL-LAX "seasonally"
I believe DL announced the flight utilizing the 73G, I saw it operate with a 319 and judging by your post it has been operated with a 738. Maybe it is doing well.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5281 times:
Quoting hypercott (Reply 3): Interesting that they are doing it with mainline metal
PHL-LAX is 2,400 miles it has to be mainline metal
davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5142 times:
I wonder if this route will be part of the build up of LAX strategy? DL has off and on tried to expand the LAX hub. PHL is certainly a major city, so there is some logic to the route.
will777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4974 times:
Quoting davescj (Reply 6): I wonder if this route will be part of the build up of LAX strategy? DL has off and on tried to expand the LAX hub. PHL is certainly a major city, so there is some logic to the route.
It could also be strategic because now US is the only carrier on the route.
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3739 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4844 times:
Quoting will777 (Reply 7):
It could also be strategic because now US is the only carrier on the route.
And we all know how the majority feel about US.
Does anyone know how the flight is working out for DL? Is it doing well enough we might see it increased to twice daily (on certain days)?
I think DL will keep this flight on a 73H to stay a few steps above of US' inflight product offering. If DL had already upgraded the A319s with IFE/AVOD this would be a good a/c for this market, especially on the quieter days of the week. If they had more 73Gs(DL codes the 700 as 73W) this would be a good as well).
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4776 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 8): Does anyone know how the flight is working out for DL? Is it doing well enough we might see it increased to twice daily (on certain days)?
Yeah or if the flight is decent the LAX-PHL portion could be switched to a daytime. Its alot of hours of valuable plane time though for a daytime return so the flight would need to show good potential. The AA single EWR-LAX flight time is the ideal business timing
beardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4735 times:
OK so DL is going to use their "hub" at LAX to distribute Skyteam feed into the United States. It makes sense for UA to drop or reduce LAX-PHL because US needs to fly this route from its PHL hub, UA can codeshare on it, and US can take the *A international feed on that route.
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3739 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Yeah or if the flight is decent the LAX-PHL portion could be switched to a daytime. Its alot of hours of valuable plane time though for a daytime return so the flight would need to show good potential. The AA single EWR-LAX flight time is the ideal business timing
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 12): will777, I know their A321s are very comfortable. I'm speaking about US' bare bones inflight product, not the a/c.
Compared to a Delta Airbus, the only difference between a US A321 and a Delta A319/A320 is that you get a choice of peanuts, pretzels and biscoffs on Delta.
Both planes have wi-fi, both have First Class with hot meal service and glassware, both have buy on board in coach.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9): The AA single EWR-LAX flight time is the ideal business timing
Yet they can only manage a 737-800 on the route.
Quoting will777 (Thread starter): Was looking the other day at some flights to LA, and was surprised that DL has a single daily flight between PHL and LAX with a 737-800. I
DL is operating a similar schedule and service (1 flight a day) LAX-MIA-LAX as well. I guess this is a part of some DL LAX strategy.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
DL is operating a similar schedule and service (1 flight a day) LAX-MIA-LAX as well. I guess this is a part of some DL LAX strategy.
The PHL strategy is a bit different than Miami. PHL-LAX (as a dirmkt) caters to primarily Los Angeles-based travelers. Redeye out at night gets you a full day in Philadelphia on the way out, and then an evening departure gets you back home at night. The only real connections out of Philadelphia over LAX are to Sydney and San Diego.
On the return, it does allow for redeye connections over Los Angeles from Honolulu, Maui, Oakland, Las Vegas, San Diego, San Francisco and Salt Lake City (Miami also connects from these cities).
MIA-LAX however is a morning departure, geared toward getting Miami residents out to LA primarily; it has connections to the RJ cities that Delta serves out of LAX.
The big difference is that Miami has a large base of loyal Delta fliers and thus can draw traffic from both ends; Philadelphia does not have nearly as large of a Delta base of flyers.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5284 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 16): The big difference is that Miami has a large base of loyal Delta fliers and thus can draw traffic from both ends; Philadelphia does not have nearly as large of a Delta base of flyers.
Plus, isn't DL trying to get more of a presence in MIA? Not a take over AA presence but a decent sized operation?
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2210 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17): Plus, isn't DL trying to get more of a presence in MIA? Not a take over AA presence but a decent sized operation?
Don't think so, not like they are trying to do at LAX
The only non hub destinations I see from MIA are DCA, TPA, MCO, LAX, and the LHR experiment. And the first 3 are on RJ's.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5284 posts, RR: 47 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week ago) and read 2176 times:
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 19): Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
Plus, isn't DL trying to get more of a presence in MIA? Not a take over AA presence but a decent sized operation?
Don't think so, not like they are trying to do at LAX
Oh, no doubt, LAX-MIA is a LAX expansion. It was just an aside. I think LAX-PHL demonstrates how committed DL is to making a hub at LAX (ignoring all the times they've dehubbed LAX.) Either that, or PHL-LAX is coupling with PHL-CDG to start a PHL hub! No I'm not serious about PHL!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week ago) and read 2106 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
But that LAX flight is timed horridly. Red-eye into MIA and a very early departure back to LAX. Bleh!
For a redeye it's rather well-timed for a Miami-based traveler. Get to leave Miami first thing in the morning, giving you a full day in Los Angeles. On the return, it gets in at 600a, which allows you to either work a full day in Miami, or go home and sleep.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1952 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20): Oh, no doubt, LAX-MIA is a LAX expansion
MIA was definitely not LAX expansion. MIA was added because they had to evacuate the LAX-FLL market at the announcement of Jetblue going in on LAX-FLL as it was already a tough route aka low fares. They knew they had no chance but to try MIA against only AA and see if they could keep a link between so cal and so florida.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
As far as I'm concerned, it's another try for the LAX focus city. In the last year, BDL got dropped RDU and CMH are running 1-2 days a week. IND is in sort of the same boat but that was a former NW routing.
LAX-PHL -- I kind of wonder how long it will last? UA dropped LAX-PHL a few months ago, and they had way more feed into LAX with UAEX and on the PHL end with Star Alliance.
Makes you wonder if/when DL will start up LAX-BWI/EWR/BOS etc.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5284 posts, RR: 47 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
It just seems DL is having trouble tapping into LAX. They're going up against AA, UA, and WN to an extent right off the bat (and I guess B6 too.) They don't have the feed like UA and AA do with UAX/MQ, and adding DLC would just saturate the market even worse. I think if air traffic picks back up and DL is aggressive at LAX, they can pick up a good foot hold at LAX. Don't know what OO's clause is about serving only UA at LAX, but if that expires/gets abolished DL should jump on the opportunity to tap into that feed. Also, with the highly anticipated MQ spin off/sale, I think it would be VERY advantageous for DL to utilize MQ out of LAX... they already do codeshare. DL just needs more feed, and preferably, more traffic out of LAX. Then again, just my opinion, I could be wrong on several points.
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
25 DeltAirlines: SkyWest is providing pretty much all the Delta Connection feed into LAX today. They fly LAX to Salt Lake, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramen
26 davescj: Will they have connections that go via bus so pax don't have to exit/re-clear security? Dave
27 DeltaMD90: Maybe my knowledge of DL @ LAX is dated... I'm just going by memory here. I though there was a contract stating that OO could not fly for anyone but
28 usairways85: I'd like to note that PHL-LAX is now scheduled on a 738 (73H). The IFE product (AVOD/Live TV, Wifi, AC outlets (F), USB outlets) DL offers with this a
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And we all know how the majority feel about US. 
No I'm not serious about PHL!
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