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What U.S. Airline Hub Makes The Most Money?  
User currently offlineJaxMan19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

I was just curious Which U.S. hub makes the most money, not in a sense of overall revenue because im pretty sure DL at ATL and AA at DFW would take that crown. I'm talking about which Hub makes the most money on the basis of flights to passenger ratio. I've heard SFO and MIA are very profitable hubs based on that ratio...anyway do you guys have any information on this?

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting JaxMan19 (Thread starter):
I'm talking about which Hub makes the most money on the basis of flights to passenger ratio. I've heard SFO and MIA are very profitable hubs based on that ratio...anyway do you guys have any information on this?

Its been reported on here before that EWR generates the highest amount of revenue using the metric you are looking for. ATL generates the highest total amount of revenue of any airline hub.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11093 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 1):

Its been reported on here before that EWR generates the highest amount of revenue using the metric you are looking for. ATL generates the highest total amount of revenue of any airline hub.

Well with EWR we really have no proof that it generates the highest amount of revenue. It's primarily rumor based.

But the top 5 would probably be something like:

1. DL at ATL
2. AA at MIA
3. UA at EWR
4. DL at MSP
5. UA at SFO



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Very hard to tell, but a highly constricted airport that is either slot or gate limited with little competition and a high percentage of international flights would be the most profitable (LHR for BA and FRA for LH are by metrics I have seen are the most profitable hubs).

In the United States, there aren't such hubs. With the exception of DCA, LGA and ORD (gate limited), any airline is free to enter any market where yields may be high.

I would suspect that the fortress hubs with limited competition are near the top. Someone can post average yields, but I would think that DL at ATL, AA at DFW and UA at EWR do rank high. I don't think it would be LGA or DCA since there aren't high yielding longer haul routes.

Discounting international routes, I believe AS in ANC has the highest margins.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10908 times:

I think the hubs with the least competition, yet are very large markets yield the highest profits. Which is why in my opinion, SFO and MIA are very profitable for UA and AA respectively. Not only do they have significant profitable international service they also have little to no competition on most routes. Just look at MIA. You have places like MIA-LIM where MIA has tons of demand yet the only competition is AA's partner LA. In my opinion the hub that has all the factors of an extremely profitable hub is MIA.

EDIT: Shouldn't we include some LCC's?

In that case I think the international network out of FLL for NK is doing pretty well. For their size and the amount of profits they've reported. It has to be good. Another one could be B6 at SJU, albeit not a hub but it's definitely expanding profitably.

[Edited 2011-11-13 10:51:27]

User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10898 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):
But the top 5 would probably be something like:

1. DL at ATL
2. AA at MIA
3. UA at EWR
4. DL at MSP
5. UA at SFO

I would highly doubt MSP being more profitable than say, AA at DFW, UA at IAH, or DL at JFK. Logic dictates that those hubs with the largest local markets that serve a significant number of international destinations would be most profitable.

And, for what its worth, I believe Newark was supposed to be wildly profitable for CO.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 5):

There was an earnings call in 2010 where DL mentioned that ATL and MSP were their most profitable hubs, ahead of JFK.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

With the possibility of SFO going back to slot restrictions I would think if you are looking on a revenue per flight basis it's got to be up there... even with VX and WN taking some market share. A lot of transpac flights for UA and if the FAA restricts how many planes can get in there that's only going to help.

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10668 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 5):
I would highly doubt MSP being more profitable than say, AA at DFW, UA at IAH, or DL at JFK. Logic dictates that those hubs with the largest local markets that serve a significant number of international destinations would be most profitable.

You have to look at the overall context. MSP is a high-yielding market just on an O&D basis, and then DL has practically no competition except for Sun Country which I don't think even really counts. But again, in the framework of looking at which hub is most profitable....number of international destinations and the size of the market aren't really that relevant. While MSP is smaller than NYC, DL is probably getting more high-yielding pax out of MSP with exponentially less competition, for these reasons I could easily believe MSP is one of the most profitable hubs in the US.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10670 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 6):
There was an earnings call in 2010 where DL mentioned that ATL and MSP were their most profitable hubs, ahead of JFK.



JFK is much smaller than MSP, it's possible MSP is more profitable but on a per seat basis it's possible JFK is more profitable. Not saying that's so, just pointing out there are two different rubrics.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10607 times:

I wonder if AA at MIA is more profitable than DFW. Thoughts?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 8):
While MSP is smaller than NYC, DL is probably getting more high-yielding pax out of MSP with exponentially less competition, for these reasons I could easily believe MSP is one of the most profitable hubs in the US.

Exactly. For DL and MSP, it's not about international traffic at all. Their bread and butter is nearly all domestic. Plus DL is swarmed with insane competition out of JFK. Not to mention that DL out of MSP serve many destinations in the upper midwest and great plains that not too many other airlines serve with the exception of UA out of ORD or DEN. Add in the MASSIVE amount of corporate contracts that DL inherited from NW, and it's not too hard to realize that MSP is a big winner for DL.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
JFK is much smaller than MSP, it's possible MSP is more profitable but on a per seat basis it's possible JFK is more profitable. Not saying that's so, just pointing out there are two different rubrics.

Not to mention there are a ton of DL RJ's out of JFK on domestic routings -- not exactly the most cost effective in most cases. I actually wonder if B6 is more profitable than DL out of Kennedy, at least domestically?



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User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 8):
You have to look at the overall context. MSP is a high-yielding market just on an O&D basis, and then DL has practically no competition except for Sun Country which I don't think even really counts. But again, in the framework of looking at which hub is most profitable....number of international destinations and the size of the market aren't really that relevant. While MSP is smaller than NYC, DL is probably getting more high-yielding pax out of MSP with exponentially less competition, for these reasons I could easily believe MSP is one of the most profitable hubs in the US.

I realize what factors are in play. I wouldn't consider Minneapolis a high-yielding market in comparison to New York, though. I'll stand by my assertion that JFK is a better performer than MSP for DL.

And as for the conference call, there are a lot of ways to determine "profitability".


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):
I actually wonder if B6 is more profitable than DL out of Kennedy, at least domestically?

I would think so. They fly more domestic than any other JFK airline IIRC, and I doubt CRJs have anything against 320s and the bigger ERJs, even if B6 charges low prices



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10461 times:

"I would think so. They fly more domestic than any other JFK airline IIRC, and I doubt CRJs have anything against 320s and the bigger ERJs, even if B6 charges low prices"

Lower costs operational wise, bigger aircraft with lower seat mile costs, more domestic flights, fewer connecting pax . . . all equals more profit at JFK for B6 than DL.

T5 payments have to be factored in thought vs the T2/3 dump across the field. However, with DL adding a new wing to T4, their terminal costs just went up.

That said, it is not a fair comparison. International is where the real $$ is, DL has it . . . B6 doesn't. How do you compare B6 and DL on BUF-JFK when it is feeding DL on a flight to CDG vs B6 on a flight to MCO. Hard to do.

Just by route expansion and recent moves, I would say most B6 shorthaul out of JFK IS NOT profitable where longer, leisure and VFR routes are.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):

I agree, and I did not catch him implying more profitable overall. I think DL gets way more revenue and probably way more operating profit. As far as margins go, probably DL again due to the international flying. But domestic ONLY, probably B6. But again, DL for the most part doesn't care about domestic, it's mainly there to feed international



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):

I agree, and I did not catch him implying more profitable overall. I think DL gets way more revenue and probably way more operating profit. As far as margins go, probably DL again due to the international flying. But domestic ONLY, probably B6. But again, DL for the most part doesn't care about domestic, it's mainly there to feed international

Makes me wonder how AA does at JFK compared to DL or B6? I would think not nearly as good.



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User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

With the stock price of AA and the posted losses over the past 10 years I don't think AA is making money at any of their HUBS. Current stock price is $2.25 I don't think that is the price of a profitable company.

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9644 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):

JFK is much smaller than MSP, it's possible MSP is more profitable but on a per seat basis it's possible JFK is more profitable. Not saying that's so, just pointing out there are two different rubrics.

I would guess that JFK is not profitable at all for DL. DL traditionally has struggled with yields at JFK and often has the lowest fares to many major cities from JFK. DL's strategy at JFK has seemed to be "win at all costs" and they simply can't do that by neglecting major markets, regardless of whether they are losing money. DL's goal has been to grow in NYC, something that takes time and lots of money, which is something that DL seems committed to.

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 11):

I realize what factors are in play. I wouldn't consider Minneapolis a high-yielding market in comparison to New York, though. I'll stand by my assertion that JFK is a better performer than MSP for DL.

MSP is far and away a higher yield market than JFK for DL, simply look at average fares for the two markets. Fares at MSP are some of the highest in the country, combine that with the fact that JFK is heavily skewed toward international and long-haul flights and still has lower average fares and it's not hard to imagine that MSP is a higher yielding market. Let's not forget that JFK's second largest airline is a low-fare carrier that routinely advertises cross-country flights for less than $300 roundtrip and that DL almost always matches these low fares.

Judging by overall revenue, I'd venture to guess that ATL is the largest hub in the country, followed by EWR and DFW, with IAH, ORD (for UA) and MIA somewhere in the mix as well. These statistics were listed in an article years ago that cited EWR as the highest revenue hub in the country around 2006-2007, but DL's operation has grown dramatically at ATL since then, especially in terms of international traffic.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 16):
With the stock price of AA and the posted losses over the past 10 years I don't think AA is making money at any of their HUBS. Current stock price is $2.25 I don't think that is the price of a profitable company.

True, but I don't think it is due to its hubs. I think once AA cleans up its mess, they'll be a strong 3rd in NYC (4th if you consider EWR.) And NYC is big enough for 4 big ones IMO, just like LAX can somewhat sustain 4 big operations...



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2980 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

Maybe a better question would be, what hubs are loosing money?

The largest airline hubs this summer were:

1. DL at ATL
2. AA at DFW
3. US at CLT
4. CO at IAH

I'm sure all of the above are making money. And if a hub doesn't make money, or starts to loose money there, they'll quickly pull the hub and move traffic somewhere else.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
I'm sure all of the above are making money. And if a hub doesn't make money, or starts to loose money there, they'll quickly pull the hub and move traffic somewhere else.

I'm not sure I agree here. Small hubs can be profitable as well. Most hubs have an optimal size which produces the highest yields. For example: CVG is constantly one the the most expensive O&D markets in the country, I would venture to say that DL's hub there (albeit very small these days) is quite profitable. The same has been mentioned about AS@ANC.

However, I do not have any numbers - if anyone has any more info on CVG - please chime in.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

I'd imagine unprofitable MIGHT be AA @ ORD, US @ LGA (pretty sure about that), and DL's @ NRT can be at times, but I don't think all the time


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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Don't count out MSP...I can see how JFK wouldn't be as profitable due to all of the competition, and compare that to the int'l routes served by MSP....? Maybe we're not comparing apples to apples, but I could see it being very profitable based on DL running the place and I'm sure the city is somewhat friendly from a financial standpoint to keep DL there...

User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 11):
I wouldn't consider Minneapolis a high-yielding market in comparison to New York, though.

Again, as others have mentioned - DL doesn't really have to compete with anyone at MSP for foreign or domestic, whereas in NYC, DL has to compete with other airports and a dominant LCC airline for domestic and foreign airlines for int'l. MSP has Southwest and Sun Country, but neither operate at a scale to truly give DL any real intense competition.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

Quoting JaxMan19 (Thread starter):
I'm talking about which Hub makes the most money on the basis of flights to passenger ratio. I've heard SFO and MIA are very profitable hubs based on that ratio...anyway do you guys have any information on this?

Please further explain this metric, as I'm not to sure what you mean.


25 LAXtoATL : Considering that AA's entire operation (ok 95%) consists of DFW, MIA, JFK/LGA, ORD, and LAX and that in aggregate their entire operation is hugely un
26 United1 : If we were talking about total revenue I would agree with you but the OP is asking about either Yield or PRASM and I doubt is ATL is in the top 5 whe
27 jetlanta : MSP is highly profitable using every metric. Its also highly consistent. If there are stronger financial performers in the U.S. domestic arena, they
28 TOMMY767 : So based on the replies, here's a list of America's most profitable hubs: UA at IAH UA at ORD UA at EWR UA at SFO DL at ATL DL at MSP DL at JFK US at
29 will777 : I'm surprised that it has taken this long for someone to bring up US. At CLT, they pretty much don't have any competition, and have their largest hub
30 planespotting : Interesting point you raise here and one that I had not really contemplated in this thread - how does flight ops fuel consumption (and all the other
31 TOMMY767 : Yeah I'd love to see a list if it could be generated. They rule at both airports with supposedly CLT being a gold mine. I highly doubt PHX is nearly
32 flymia : I honestly think one of the few reasons AA has not declared bankruptcy like the rest of the legacy airlines is because of AA's MIA hub. It has continu
33 TOMMY767 : They've done well in MIA but they could be even more aggressive. There are a few South American destinations in the 1990s which were served out of MI
34 ThreeIfByAir : MSP has very efficient Great Circle connections from SEA/PDX to secondary and tertiary cities in the Midwest and Northeast. Connecting pax to cities
35 LAXdude1023 : DFW is as big a reason for that as MIA is. But at the end of the day, I believe Jetlanta is right. If anything DFW and MIA are just keeping AA above w
36 DeltaMD90 : If DFW and MIA are keeping AA "above water" (which is arguable since they're bleeding money) what hubs are really killing them? I'm in the boat that
37 airbazar : That's hard to imagine considering that domestic operations of the legacy carriers are under tremendous pressure from LCCs which have been greatly re
38 DeltaMD90 : Not true in ALL cases. I think that's what posters are saying makes MSP special. And US carriers made pretty good profits this quarter, better than m
39 BoeingGuy : What about AS at SEA? Given their good financial performance and the fact that SEA is their biggest hub, I'd have to assume that's hight on the list.
40 DeltaMD90 : Yes, and I heard AS @ ANC has very high profit margins, probably the most important figure to look at
41 jetlanta : I'd remove UA/ORD and DL/JFK. Certainly the latter. DL/DTW might deserve a place on the list nowadays, though. UA/IAH most certainly does. Its a big
42 BCEaglesCO757 : I'd be shocked if IAH wasn't in the top 3. We have some of if not, THE highest average fares in the country due to the oil companies here. I'm sure th
43 TOMMY767 : The only other LCC in the MSP market is Sun Country (hardly counts.) This was already mentioned though. Also the LCC's do put pressure on the legacie
44 BoeingGuy : Yes, considering that AA loses money I'm a little perplexed at how AA at MIA and DFW can be on the speculative list of hubs that make the most money.
45 USAirALB : US does really well at CLT, probably because CLT is so cheap to operate from. As Doug Parker said it: "they don't turn the airport into a public work
46 nyc2theworld : How big is BKK compared to CLT?
47 LAXtoATL : As I said previously, that leaves LAX,ORD,NYC. If a single market was responable for their poor performance they would have left it off their corners
48 Post contains links MAH4546 : AA's MIA hub is considered by many anlaysts to be the country's best performing hub, and UA's SFO and US' CLT hubs are also often brought up alongside
49 LAXdude1023 : This would be my guess as well. Given MIA's geographic location, its a short flight to many international destinations that have high fares. Less fue
50 LAXtoATL : I don't understand your point, it is kind of hard to ignore AA's costs when discussing profitability of hubs. If the discussion were about revenue ge
51 BoeingGuy : Didn't AA do CUZ for a short time also? I'd like to see that one again.
52 jonathanxxxx : Didn't they also serve BQN and CUZ?
53 DeltaMD90 : He's saying that when AA gets its costs on par with DL and UA, then AA will be making bank with their current network. Theoretically, ANY operation c
54 MAH4546 : Yes. If AA would be able to operate at industry-competitive levels, it would likely have no problem profiting on its very strong network. AA has a ve
55 NASCARAirforce : Why wouldn't DL at DTW be on the list - ahead of MSP? Isn't DTW a bigger hub than MSP for Delta? It definitely is for international routes. Isn't Delt
56 LAXtoATL : Please explain if they have no network problem how can they have profitable hubs at DFW & MIA, while LAX, NYC & ORD lose $1bil? AA's cost are
57 nycdave : If we're talking PROFIT rather than REVENUE, you also have to consider fees and costs associated with any given hub, whether it be landing fees, taxes
58 Post contains images FSDan : UA at DEN should be on this list, right?
59 will777 : No. Too much competition from Southwest.
60 TOMMY767 : DTW obviously makes good money for DL but their domestic operation is largely run by RJ's with frequency. Internationally, they absolutely kill MSP.
61 alitalia744 : Yes, but the cost dis-advantage is no one but AAs own fault...
62 SESGDL : Who are these "analysts?" I've never seen this published, although I'm sure it's more of your inside information. Rubbish. I don't believe that eithe
63 Post contains images FSDan : I had hoped my joke would be more obvious.
64 MAH4546 : The MIA hub is profitable and AA is on the record recently saying it was. There are many here who have a severe distaste for AA and Miami will try to
65 mplsjefe : NW wasn't stupid. Having a domestic hub with moderate international service and a very large amount of intra-continental and connecting routes in the
66 SESGDL : I don't disagree with you here. But my question is where are the losses coming from within AA's network, because clearly there are profitable routes
67 flyguy89 : AA's issue is that it's cost disadvantage is blanketly affecting their entire network...but it's not their actual network that is the inherent proble
68 STT757 : CUZ was AA JFK-LIM-CUZ flight which was flown briefly in the mid-'90s.
69 LAXtoATL : Well, we have people saying that DFW & MIA are profitable and it seems you are saying that MIA, DFW, and ORD are profitable. If those are profita
70 ual777uk : I cannot see thaty anyone has mentioned IAD. With UA the dominant carrier and commanding good fares/premium I would have though IAD would be near the
71 SCL767 : Actually TACA Perú operates LIM-MIA daily with the A-320. LAN Perú operates LIM-MIA 13x weekly (B763) and code-shares with AA on the route; thus LP
72 Cubsrule : You have completely lost me here. MSP is 15 miles or so from downtown Minneapolis, somewhat closer to downtown St. Paul. DTW is 20 miles or so from d
73 TOMMY767 : I would assume that AA's ORD operation is not nearly as profitable as it used to be. It's been mentioned but might not be as profitable as SFO, EWR,
74 flyguy89 : Yes, obviously AA's operation overall is losing money right now....I'm simply saying if AA had the lower cost structure of it's competitors, both AA
75 liftsifter : Doesn't UA base all of their long haul layovers via ORD? Wouldn't that kind of make ORD a money maker for them?
76 PSU.DTW.SCE : These threads alway amuse me because there is a such a lack of publically available data. That alone makes these discussions challenging at best. DL h
77 panamair : The strongly seasonal nature of the JFK network hurts its performance on a year-round basis. While AA's costs are undoubtedly its biggest problem, it
78 LAXtoATL : But you are still avoiding the issue that if MIA and DFW are currently profitable under AA's cost structure, then why are the other hubs so far behin
79 DeltaMD90 : It's silly to think that just because a carrier is cutting flights means they have an unprofitable operation. If there is a downturn in a market, a sm
80 panamair : They have only really started cutting JFK significantly for the winter this year (previous winters while seeing some seasonal cutbacks, actually saw
81 LAXtoATL : Are we discussing current or past years? I was referring to the present when I said I doubt JFK is losing money. Also, not that they not only cut win
82 SESGDL : None of what I said disagreed with this point. What I said was public knowledge; that MSP has higher O&D than DTW, higher fares, and higher avera
83 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm not disagreeing with you, I am elaborating and clarifying the point you are making. I agree with you when speaking profit margin. I'm refuting th
84 slcdeltarumd11 : This is an impossible question to answer. You are just going to get all types of opinions and favorite airlines/airports based on little facts. To rea
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