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Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR  
User currently offlineJET13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3601 times:

Hey guys, I was looking at my hometown airport, KFSD on flightaware and noticed that delta is doing PIR from FSD. Started a few days ago, according to F/A

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...7/history/20111114/0228Z/KFSD/KPIR

Does anyone know why or for what reason? One thing i have in mind is, so they have a plane out to MSP for the next day?

Thanks,
Nick.


- Nick Ullom | KFSD | Flown: A320,B738,MD83,B752,MD88,CRJ2, CRJ9,E190,E175,C206T | FSD DEN MSP CVG MCO PHX OMA LAX JKJ A
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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3558 times:

I think it is triangle routing... I know the SF3s used to do that in the NW


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
I think it is triangle routing... I know the SF3s used to do that in the NW

Not a triangle route, a straight tag route. MSP-PIR has two flights most days, one non-stop and one 1-stop through FSD. The evening arrival at PIR routes MSP-FSD-PIR, which turns around in the morning as PIR-FSD-MSP. The non-stop flight is still scheduled on the Saab, the one-stop is on the CRJ.


User currently offlineJET13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 2):
Not a triangle route, a straight tag route. MSP-PIR has two flights most days, one non-stop and one 1-stop through FSD. The evening arrival at PIR routes MSP-FSD-PIR, which turns around in the morning as PIR-FSD-MSP. The non-stop flight is still scheduled on the Saab, the one-stop is on the CRJ.

Thanks,
I figured it would be that. It's gotta be because of the loads for PIR? stop in FSD and get the rest and off to MSP?

-Nick



- Nick Ullom | KFSD | Flown: A320,B738,MD83,B752,MD88,CRJ2, CRJ9,E190,E175,C206T | FSD DEN MSP CVG MCO PHX OMA LAX JKJ A
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22723 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.

One would think there might be, but Delta does not have any fares published for PIR-FSD.

I'd assume most traffic though would be in Sioux Falls going to Pierre though, rather than Pierre going to Sioux Falls.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.

As noted by DeltAirlines, DL actually doesn't sell that portion of the route. I'm guessing there isn't a ton of traffic between them, even being the largest city and capital, respectively. As I know you're aware, Sioux Falls is obviously no Chicago at a metro population of about 230,000 and Pierre is no Springfield at fewer than 15,000 people.


User currently offlineJET13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):

One would think there might be, but Delta does not have any fares published for PIR-FSD.

Correct, I did try looking for fares. They probably had PIR/FSD flights on one plane, dropping FSD passengers off and continue to PIR.



- Nick Ullom | KFSD | Flown: A320,B738,MD83,B752,MD88,CRJ2, CRJ9,E190,E175,C206T | FSD DEN MSP CVG MCO PHX OMA LAX JKJ A
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3117 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Seems odd, a carrier would not want to sell any tickets for a local tag route, Why wouldn't DL want to pick up even a pax or two to fill a seat that would obviously otherwise be empty? I'm sure the demand is not substantial, but a warm body in a seat on a tag route is better than nothing, right?


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User currently offlineRushmoreAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

Delta is still serving Pierre only because of the DOT hold-in order:

http://www.airlineinfo.com/Sites/Dai...ent/ostdocket2011/ost20110138.html - scroll to the bottom.

They want to rid themselves of this service as soon as possible. If it was not worthwhile with SF3s, it won't be worthwhile with a CRJ. I'm assuming they don't care enough to sell seats on the FSD-PIR leg. I'm disappointed to see the PIR service go, always could get 25k mileage deals out of there.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
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Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

User currently offlineJET13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 9):
I'm disappointed to see the PIR service go, always could get 25k mileage deals out of there.

Well, Great Lakes has taken action. I think they added another flight to x2 daily.



- Nick Ullom | KFSD | Flown: A320,B738,MD83,B752,MD88,CRJ2, CRJ9,E190,E175,C206T | FSD DEN MSP CVG MCO PHX OMA LAX JKJ A
User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Of interest to South Dakotans: in 1997 or so, Northwest (Express I) offered thrice-daily Sioux Falls-Rapid City service on Jetstream 31s.

User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1991 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

And prior to the 737-247's introduced in 1968, they operated that route with Electras and DC-6B's. The route extended to MSP via FSD from PIR.

As Yogi Berra says, it's deja vu all over again.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD?

Not more than a few passengers a day I would think. There's really nothing in Pierre besides the state capital.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22723 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 14):
Not more than a few passengers a day I would think.

Me either - but why not try to pick them up?



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7583 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 9):
They want to rid themselves of this service as soon as possible. If it was not worthwhile with SF3s, it won't be worthwhile with a CRJ. I'm assuming they don't care enough to sell seats on the FSD-PIR leg.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Me either - but why not try to pick them up?

If DL wants to get rid of PIR service, picking up FSD-PIR and PIR-FSD passengers would work against their argument with the DOT.

Creating a tag route allows DL to argue that they only way they can 'afford' PIR is by using higher fares for FSD pax to support the route.

The business case would be about making PIR a money loser, not picking up any possible incremental business.


User currently offlineb727fa From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):

Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

I remember in 1982 WA ran a 737-200 MSP-ATY-PIR, too! We took it to PIR "for dinner" to qualify for a deal WA was running to HNL. If you went a certain number of miles by "X" date you could get a $150 rt to HNL.



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