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User currently offlinerising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 278 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11548 times:

It's certainly not news that both alliances have a lot at stake with the proposed merger of LAN and TAM. From the headlines, it looks as if the combined entity will be forced to choose one alliance for both carriers.

So the question becomes, what sweeteners will the alliances put in to close the deal? The loss would be pretty large for either alliance. We should know the outcome shortly.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/201...flyer-points-tussle/#axzz1dfi8PSgi

http://www.economist.com/node/21538152


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

From everything I have read, the new company would be very stupid not to pick Oneworld.

Tam/Lan fly to the major Onewolrd hubs, with great connectivity to the rest of the Alliance.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11570 times:

Chilean approval actually mandates OneWorld, since Avianca/TACA are Star elect and can't be in the same alliance as LATAM.

Regardless, it's not much of a contest - to oneWorld TAM will go.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

LAN Airlines S.A. and its affiliates continue to strengthen its ties with other oneworld alliance carriers. Last month, LAN Airlines S.A. entered into a bilateral code-share agreement with JAL. LAN Perú S.A. just renewed its code-share agreement with American Airlines. LAN Airlines S.A. was recently approved to code-share with Qantas Airways on QF's new SYD-SCL service, which launches next March. Interesting to note that LAN's CEO recently stated that the company values oneworld hubs at MAD, MIA and SYD. LAN's CEO has long been an advocate for the oneworld alliance and LAN has been a member of the oneworld alliance for over 11 years.

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11311 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Chilean approval actually mandates OneWorld, since Avianca/TACA are Star elect and can't be in the same alliance as LATAM.

With regards to market share, how do TACA and Avianca stack up to TAM and LAN in South America? Is it a "fair fight?"


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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11288 times:

While I agree many indicators point into the direction of oneworld, I don't think that *A has already lost the race.
There were good arguments for TAM to join Star, they remain valid also after the merger

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 1):
Tam/Lan fly to the major Onewolrd hubs, with great connectivity to the rest of the Alliance.

In Europe TAM was very strong in Paris, but that changed in favour of Frankfurt and to a lesser extend also of London.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Chilean approval actually mandates OneWorld, since Avianca/TACA are Star elect and can't be in the same alliance as LATAM.

Is it really unthinkable that Star will stop the process with Avianca/TACA? Star needs to generate the biggest benefit for it members, if a decision must be made between Avianca/TACA and LATAM STAR must base it on these benefits (and of course what legal requirements are existing). But AI has shown that there is no guarantee to join an alliance.

So, let me ask again: What can an alliance offer an airline and in this specific case, what incentives are there to join either? Is it
  • network
  • cross equity holding
  • joint purchases
  • marketing incentives
  • others


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8500 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11080 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
LAN Airlines S.A. and its affiliates continue to strengthen its ties with other oneworld alliance carriers. Last month, LAN Airlines S.A. entered into a bilateral code-share agreement with JAL. LAN Perú S.A. just renewed its code-share agreement with American Airlines. LAN Airlines S.A. was recently approved to code-share with Qantas Airways on QF's new SYD-SCL service, which launches next March. Interesting to note that LAN's CEO recently stated that the company values oneworld hubs at MAD, MIA and SYD. LAN's CEO has long been an advocate for the oneworld alliance and LAN has been a member of the oneworld alliance for over 11 years.

LAN is the driver of the LATAM deal, with OneWorld it gets huge hub airlines in Madrid and Miami. IT also gets as a bonus in Qantas in Sydney which helps Asian traffic. When the 787 arrives its expected LAN will fly to LHR which will connect LAN to BA's network, who knows maybe even BA could fly to Lima. LAN is too connected to OW, support in MIA & MAD are ard to replace.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

Unless the deal falls through which seems unlikely it does appear to me that the Flying Red Carpets days in Star are numbered which is a real shame from a Star pioint of view and also from my own personal point of view. I flew them from LHR to GIG and back on February and really enjoyed the flights.

User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10639 times:

And if I understand correctly Avianca Brazil is a very very tiny activity compared to TAM in Brazil. No international flights, small presence on the Rio-SP corridor, small presence on other domestic routes.

What are Avianca's plans for growth of its Brazilian business?


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10570 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 8):
And if I understand correctly Avianca Brazil is a very very tiny activity compared to TAM in Brazil. No international flights, small presence on the Rio-SP corridor, small presence on other domestic routes.

What are Avianca's plans for growth of its Brazilian business?

Yes, they are very small, offering 130 daily flights to 24 destination. They do fly GRU-BOG though, but it is marketed by AV.
If you would like to compare, TAM offers the same number of flights and destinations at GIG alone.


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10517 times:

I agree that LATAM will go to 1W.

I guess the question is, how smooth will the transition JJ *A to 1W be? For how long will they accept miles/interline etc.?

On the other hand will UA/LH help AV-TA to boost AV-Brazil via management expertise, airplanes, capital...??
Or will they start fighting for GOL and convince them that joining Star instead of ST is in their best interest like they did with JJ (they had links with AF before they joined *A)??



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10378 times:

What is *A actively doing to get LATAM into their alliance?
There must be more than just a few phone calls and sending Christmas cards...


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10364 times:

Quoting LH506 (Reply 10):
On the other hand will UA/LH help AV-TA to boost AV-Brazil via management expertise, airplanes, capital...??
AV-TA does not need help in that. They are already investing a lot in O6, but I think they are still waiting to see what the Brazilian antitrust counsel (CADE) decides about the TAM-LAN meger, since it will have repercussions on how they will incorporate O6 into AV-TA. O6 also urgently needs to adopt LifeMiles.
Another problem that Avianca Brasil faces is the lack of slots at GRU. They have been growing everywhere. That's why they have so many destinations, but so few flights. All Brazilian airports are saturated except for GIG. The earlier they realize that they must hub somewhere in order to be attractive to potential alliance partners, the better, but the stubbornness in insisting in GRU remains.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 11):
What is *A actively doing to get LATAM into their alliance?
There must be more than just a few phone calls and sending Christmas cards...

There were some comments about it on Aviation Week:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_i...storyID=news/avd/2011/10/28/05.xml

[Edited 2011-11-14 08:01:36]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10179 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 8):
What are Avianca's plans for growth of its Brazilian business?

O6 will be getting 5 A318s form LAN in 2012 and another 5 in 2013. 4 A320s from the current AV-TA order are being incorporated to the fleet in the following months (the 1st is already doing test flights in TLS) and more A319s and A320s are also planned for the coming years to expand and replace the F100s. A new order is also in the books for O6. The ultimate goal is to also have widebodies flying for AV Brasil.

Quoting mozart (Reply 8):
And if I understand correctly Avianca Brazil is a very very tiny activity compared to TAM in Brazil. No international flights, small presence on the Rio-SP corridor, small presence on other domestic routes.

They fly to BOG and they have already stated that they plan an launching two new intl destinations next year. But indeed, their domestic market share is very small at 3,5%.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 4):
With regards to market share, how do TACA and Avianca stack up to TAM and LAN in South America? Is it a "fair fight?"

AVTA would be roughly 40% the size of the combined LAN-TAM, not counting AV Brazil. They have been growing 20% a year since the merger in 2009. Avianca controls the second largest market in the region which is Colombia, TACA controls Central America. LAN control Chile and Peru, while TAM are number one in Brazil, the largest. LAN has an important position but doesn't control Ecuador, Colombia and Argentina, and TACA does so in Peru, while AeroGal (fully integrated subsidiary of AviancaTaca) is in the same position in Ecuador.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 5):
Is it really unthinkable that Star will stop the process with Avianca/TACA? Star needs to generate the biggest benefit for it members, if a decision must be made between Avianca/TACA and LATAM STAR must base it on these benefits

Well it's not unthinkable, but it would show a big lack of compromise from Star and it could be very counterproductive. I'm sure that not only would they have to pay a very hefty sum to AviancaTaca but that it would scare many other airlines from starting a process with them as there would be no guarantee of actually becoming members and getting their investment back.

Quoting LH506 (Reply 10):
On the other hand will UA/LH help AV-TA to boost AV-Brazil via management expertise, airplanes, capital...??

AV-TA don't need management expertise or money, they have both. In fact, when Oceanair was being terribly managed by brazilians, headquarters in BOG took over management for some time and made an actual business plan for the airline. The big issue with O6 is the lack of slots at GRU which is impeding growth, and the fact that the brazilian congress is taking light years to approve the new ownership legislation, a process that's already getting ridiculous. That has put a hamper on capital expenditures as O6 isn't receiving any of the benefits from the holding.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
O6 also urgently needs to adopt LifeMiles.

Indeed.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
Another problem that Avianca Brasil faces is the lack of slots at GRU.

Yes.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
The earlier they realize that they must hub somewhere in order to be attractive to potential alliance partners, the better, but the stubbornness in insisting in GRU remains.

Actually they have quite a focus city in BSB too, I think that could be developed into a very interesting alternative as it is nowhere nearly as congested as GRU.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10131 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
Actually they have quite a focus city in BSB too, I think that could be developed into a very interesting alternative as it is nowhere nearly as congested as GRU.

No, BSB is more congested than GRU. GRU is nearing capacity on its runway system on some periods of the day, has gone way over capacity of the terminal and is reaching capacity on the parking stands. BSB has been operating beyond capacity even before GRU. The problem is not the runway system, but the lack of parking stands and the very constrained terminal. Unless, there is a plan to develop a hub bank during the night, there is no way AV will be able to develop something substantial there.

[Edited 2011-11-14 09:08:49]

User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting LH506 (Reply 10):
will they start fighting for GOL and convince them that joining Star instead of ST is in their best interest

Is there a timetable in place for GOL to join ST, have they signed anything confirming they will join? If not Star shoould fight for them!


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10076 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
No, BSB is more congested than GRU. GRU is nearing capacity on its runway system on some periods of the day, has gone way over capacity of the terminal and is reaching capacity on the parking stands. BSB has been operating beyond capacity even before GRU. The problem is the runway system, but the lack of parking stands and the very constrained terminal. Unless, there is a plan to develop a hub bank during the night, there is no way AV will be able to develop something substantial there.

So why not develop GIG then? Not slot restricted, a nice and growing O&D market (albeit not as large as Sao Paulo), more and more airlines flying there from abroad who'd be able to feed them, including Star members like United, COPA, Lufthansa, TAP, I think soon South African.

So why ever would they favour Brasilia over GIG?


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 16):
So why not develop GIG then?

That's beyond me and everybody I know.


User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10005 times:
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So, if TAM switches to oneworld ... what will beb LHs Star Alliance codeshare partner in South america, especially SCL? Will LX, or even LH return to SCL with their own equipment?


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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

Quoting lh526 (Reply 18):
So, if TAM switches to oneworld ... what will beb LHs Star Alliance codeshare partner in South america, especially SCL? Will LX, or even LH return to SCL with their own equipment?

Only if it's justified by significant demand at SCL. Otherwise, it would be easier to cooperate with O6 on a possible GIG-SCL.

[Edited 2011-11-14 10:07:46]

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9548 times:
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Sorry, but even as a diehard *A fan, I simply do not see *A winning this one. If the takeover of TAM by LAN goes ahead the pants will be worn by LAN and the decisions made in SCL. While I have seen some unlikely things over the years in this industry, and have sworn to never say "never" I honestly can't see LAN deciding to move to *A even if *A decided to act in bad faith with AV/TA and rescind their invitation.

Of course we still have to see what CADE have to say, wouldn't it be funny if they approved the takeover but put a condition on which was totally at odds with the Chilean authorities conditions, e.g, we end up in a situation where Chile says one of them must leave their current alliance but Brazil says to preserve competitive balance we require that LAN and TAM remain in separate alliances'. ( I can dream, can't I ? )

[Edited 2011-11-14 10:12:33]


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 15):
Is there a timetable in place for GOL to join ST, have they signed anything confirming they will join? If not Star shoould fight for them!

I follow the Team pretty closely, and nothing like this has happened. GOL's latest comments said they planned to follow a strategy like AS which was codeshare with a number of people. While Michael Wisbrun (head of Skyteam) has openly talked about their number one priority being to sign up carriers in India and Brazil, it sure doesn't seem to be happening any time soon.



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User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

LANTAM will greatly benefit from OW. They have to much of a presence at OW hubs at MIA (AA) and MAD (IB). AA would take a huge loss if LANTAM moves over to *A because South America is their gravy train. Plus, QF switching from EZE to SCL steps up their commitment to connections on LAN. OW cannot afford to lose LAN and LANTAM will benefit much more from OW than *A. TAM will be a loss to *A because they will not have nonstop service to Brazil anymore. They will survive in South America by having Avianca and TACA.


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Quoting lh526 (Reply 18):
So, if TAM switches to oneworld ... what will beb LHs Star Alliance codeshare partner in South america, especially SCL?

BOG is a very viable alternative point for flying SCL-Europe. A total flight time of 16 hours combined to FRA isn't too different than flying via GRU. Also, if LH starts flying to LIM, TA can gladly take their passengers on to SCL.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
No, BSB is more congested than GRU.

I didn't know the terminal space in BSB was so dire. Runway wise though BSB has plenty of room for extra operations, GRU not so much as you pointed out.

Quoting mozart (Reply 16):
So why not develop GIG then?

Well the airline hasn't actually taken a huge expansion step ever since the F100s came online (2005-2006), so I would imagine that in the next round of expansion those airports with more available slots will be receiving the extra flights. They are focusing on making the operation profitable which according to O6's CEO will be accomplished next year (losses for 2011 have been minimal), and I would imagine that once that goal is reached combined with the change in ownership legislation they will start expanding further.

I honestly don't see LATAM staying in Star either. What LAN has with AA and IB is too valuable to throw away, having your partners have hubs in each one of the largest O/D destinations for Latin American travel is just too good a position to trade for maybe a larger alliance which doesn't really have a presence at Miami or Madrid and whose hub in the NY area is not where most of the latin traffic concentrates.

I actually think that AviancaTaca will regret making the decision of joining star alliance for many reasons including 1. Being considered a second tier carrier which Star publicly states they can boot in favor of a larger airline, when they are far form that (no carrier with over 140 aircraft and over 100 destinations should be considered second tier), knowing they would be much more valuable to Skyteam for example 2. Having your main competitor in the same alliance (CM), clearly favorited by it's largest member UA because of the CO days 3. Not having strong partners at the main latin hubs (Skyteam even does a better job at this with a large presence at JFK and UX at MAD). But TA's executives along with LH pushed so hard for the decision that it was finally put forward, AV even dropped a very strong partnership with DL and FF agreements with AF. It would seem a time where LH's credibility is at stake.

In fact, and may I post a hypothesis, Skyteam might become the biggest winner in this turmoil. If LATAM goes with Star, it will mean AviancaTaca get the boot and they would certainly go to Skyteam as their first choice due to past agreements. And even if they don't go for star, this whole episode is surely leaving a sour flavor in the mouths of AviancaTaca's executives, who might decide to jump ship after Star's act of bad faith. And I know Sky would be more than glad to welcome them back, as they really got the last of the leftovers with AR.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
And I know Sky would be more than glad to welcome them back, as they really got the last of the leftovers with AR.

I agree and, after all, AV-TA could work well with AR.


25 eastern023 : And this relationship had taken LAN years to build. I really don't see a last minute reversal, LANTAM is headed to OneWorld. Very true, I don't see L
26 IrishAyes : Interesting assessment. Are there indications to support that Star is leaning towards giving AV-TA the boot in desperate efforts to lure LATAM?
27 Post contains images VC10er : Does Avianca have any long hauls to/from Brazil? I would think a UA flight from EWR to GIG would be hole #1, then what to do about 2 & 3: London a
28 Post contains images rising : It would certainly be unfortunate for Star to see TAM say goodbye, but from the comments above it does indeed seem like is what will happen. I remembe
29 Post contains links viaggiare : Anything can happen when a heavyweight founding member starts flexing its muscle. Skyteam is where Avianca/TACA belongs.. Efromovich would have proba
30 RCS763AV : None taken. Of course premium pax prefer to fly non-stop, but apparently there are not enough premium passengers to sustain a non-stop flight to SCL
31 SCL767 : That's not the reason. LH simply lacks the right a/c to operate a FRA-SCL route profitably.
32 Post contains images IrishAyes : Well, also just based on cultural/historic ties....Spain and Latin America are far more strongly connected than Germany and Latin America Hence, why
33 aircanada014 : I was thinking since no one hasn't mentioned this before, could Star Alliance tell TAM not to merge with LAN? Whats the chance if Stat tell TAM not to
34 RCS763AV : There aren't enough premium seats to be filled in order to operate the route profitably on any of LH's aircraft. If there was enough premium demand a
35 Byrdluvs747 : One thing no one is mentioning is how the potential IAG purchase of TP factors into the LATAM decision. Dominating LIS and MAD with TP & IB in IAG
36 Post contains links and images SCL767 : A problem for LH was that LH had to deal with competition from LAN between SCL and FRA. The B-787-8s will make routes such as SCL-FRA and SCL-LHR via
37 Burkhard : It is uphill with bare hands against machine guns. Atleast in the prosperous southern 2/3 of South America. The Problem of GIG is SDU. OD traffic goe
38 SCL767 : Are you sure about that? UA plans on deploying the B-787-8 initially on the IAH-AKL route. IAH-AKL: 6444 nm SCL-FRA: 6523 nm SCL-LHR: 6280 nm
39 Burkhard : They will not fly Kiwis on that route. To what I expect from reading here, it will be on the edge of what it can do. My Point is, if an A343 cannot do
40 SCL767 : The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner will have a longer range than the A-343, not to mention that it will consume significantly less fuel than the A343 and re
41 Burkhard : On the 789 I completley agree, that can do it, if it really gets the 10% improvement of efficency over first gen 788 Boeing promises. That is why so m
42 SCL767 : LAN only has two of the early build B-787-8s on order; the other 18 B-787-8s that LAN has on order will not require re-work. LAN has 20 B-787-8s on o
43 Worldliner : Can't see past Oneworld here, they already have LAN and as others have said, they really only fly to Oneworld hubs. It would be silly for LATAM to joi
44 SCL767 : Certain oneworld alliance carriers also have a significant presence at LATAM's future hubs and focus cities, (excluding AEP and ASU). LATAM Airlines
45 C010T3 : SDU is no longer a problem for GIG. The growth of the traffic in Rio and the congestion of other airports have taken care of that.
46 Post contains links eastern023 : So LAN and TAM just filed an F-4 form with the SEC here in the U.S. to create a limited partneship to exchange shares. This is seen as another step to
47 RCS763AV : Let's not exaggerate. First of all, northern south america is just as prosperous as southern south america, and in fact while the economy of the sout
48 SCL767 : Are you kidding me? Chile has implemented a series of economic policies over the past decades making Chile one of Latin America's most stable and pro
49 RCS763AV : No one is kidding. While most of the population of Chile can already afford to travel by air, and it is a nation with only 17 million inhabitants, th
50 Post contains links SCL767 : Incorrect, an increase in disposable income equates to more repeat passengers continuing to utilize air travel in Chile. SCL will exceed capacity by
51 RCS763AV : No one is denying that, the market will continue to grow and Chile has a healthy economy which will allow for many people to be "repeat" passengers.
52 mozart : Are there still airports in Peru that are not yet served by LAN from Lima? Which ones?
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