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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 943 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22647 times:

Good evening. In Australian Aviation Thread 55 (by TN486 Oct 23 2011 in Civil Aviation) we discussed the following:

CZ inaugurates new PER services.
QF:
- obtain approval from Singapore Eco Dev Board for a premium airline in Singapore.
- ground entire fleet temporarily to industrial disputes.
- reconfigurered 744 flights comence 17/10.
- photos released on new sky interior in 738's.
- A380 to commence SYD-HKG-SYD mid Jan 2012.
SKYTRANS propose daily flights from TWB to SYD, Roma and Gladstone Jan 2012.
CARGOLUX return to SYD with a weekly flight.
VN topurchase 70% of JQ Pacific not owned by QF.
FJ to purchase 3 new A332s in 2013.
SQ retrofitted (SR) series 77Es to fly into PER over the summer.
AIR PACIFIC first flight 73H DQ FJM arrives BNE 31 Oct.
HU to cancel SYD services 13 Feb 2012.
AIR AUSTRALIA (ex Strategic) release details of new livery
VA:
- to switch terminals at LAX.
- not exercising option of 6th 77W.
- 777s being repainted in the Virgin Aust livery.
CX to return to some A343 ops to BNE.
QF and AA JBA approved by the DOT.

787 visit due in Australia this week (SYD and MEL).
Please feel free to continue discussions here.


remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22607 times:

(from old thread)

Quoting qf002 (Reply 218):
Well looking at the seat counts it would appear that they are reducing J and increasing Y. I guess summer travelers are probably the key reason (especially if they've done the same thing in the past...)

Interesting that CX are doing that BNE, while SQ at PER are doing the opposite by introducing the refitted 777-200's back, which have an increase in J-class, while a decrease in Y-class. Although the CX decision seems to make more sense, with holiday travelers coming for the Australian summer.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 22428 times:

BOE 001 (787) departed AKL on time, bound for SYD - ETA 1100 LT.


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineSOLENT From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22372 times:

777's must be a good aircraft for Emirates as they are buying more. Why can't someone at QF take the dummy out of their mouth and admit they would work for the Pacific and other routes. Why do QF think they can't make a profit from this aircraft when so many others can. Maybe QF international could make a profit if they bought a number of 777's. I know the 787 is late and they have 330's but there are a number of routes they could make a profit on. Even BA fly them here.

Need to take out the dummy or get rid of the dummies.


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22333 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
BOE 001 (787) departed AKL on time, bound for SYD - ETA 1100 LT.

just shown up on flightradar24.com

speaking of, flightradar24 need to create a new widget for 787s!

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4346/787t.jpg

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User currently onlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22276 times:

Quoting SOLENT (Reply 3):
777's must be a good aircraft for Emirates as they are buying more. Why can't someone at QF take the dummy out of their mouth and admit they would work for the Pacific and other routes. Why do QF think they can't make a profit from this aircraft when so many others can. Maybe QF international could make a profit if they bought a number of 777's. I know the 787 is late and they have 330's but there are a number of routes they could make a profit on. Even BA fly them here.

Need to take out the dummy or get rid of the dummies.

Hi SOLENT,

This has been discussed many times before, but for a recent explanation from Qantas itself -

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s428.pdf


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25712 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22162 times:
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Air Australia's website and booking engine is up and running:

http://www.airaustralia.com/

Everything appears to be in good order, although there are a couple of minor snafus.

mariner



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User currently onlinebyronicle6 From Australia, joined Oct 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22001 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Air Australia's website and booking engine is up and running:

http://www.airaustralia.com/

Nice Website! i like it
Simple design with the green, grey and white and easy to navigate



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User currently offlineSOLENT From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

Thanks fiscal. I actually watched Little Lord Joyce on TV live at the enquiry and also have read all the many 777 episodes here. I really think the board including Joyce and James the weak made a decision years ago that they can't admit they were wrong. I know the A380 is better performer in certain aspects. This is despite the fact that the 777 in its latest guises does beat the 747 on the same criteria that they use for the A380, and also the HGW 330 is a very good aircraft . The fact is QF has lost market share and is losing money internationally. Maybe they could have expanded their market with 777's and made a profit and then sold the 777's as a large amount of 787's come on line. The conversion from 777 to 787 is according to Boeing a small period of time.

I really think the inflexibility of the QF board to deal with the international market is why EK and others fly so many 777's into our country. It is embarrassing to hear QF say that they are unable to make money internationally when they have made so many decisions that limit their growth. Maybe Joyce could have made money in QF colours to SFO, and many other destinations. Aussies may have then placed their butts on the seats, because they are avalable.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25712 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21965 times:
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Meanwhile, Tiger isn't happy, having reported a $20 million loss. That';s not surprising because of the grounding, but the CEO doesn't see how they can make money on such a limited number of flights:

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...-million-in-q2-20111115-1ngs1.html

"Tiger Airways says it is unable to be profitable in Australia when limited to just 22 daily flights a day, under restrictions imposed after the forced grounding of the airline's fleet earlier this year.

Singapore-based Tiger said its Australian flying business suffered a $S27.2 million ($A20.70 million) operating loss in the three months to September 30, a substantial deterioration from the $S600,000 loss in the prior corresponding period."


So I doubt it will be too happy about Air Australia's introductory fares, either. I priced both airlines for the same day in December and Tiger was $40 more - at $109. I assume Tiger will drop to match - maybe? - but that won't help.

I dunno. I'm all in favour of anyone giving it a go, but I'm struggling to see a happy future for Tiger Australia, not with fuel at these prices.

Air Australia doesn't actually need to make money on BNE-MEL - Tiger does, at least with its present flight limits.

And Tiger Singapore isn't too happy:

"The news was not much better at Tiger's Singapore base, which reported a second quarter operating loss of $S12 million, a turnaround from the $S6.8 million operating profit in the prior corresponding period, as high fuel costs and lower load factors hit hard.

Overall, the airline group suffered an operating loss of $S41.2 million in the second quarter, compared with a $S9.6 million profit in the same quarter a year ago.

Tiger said it expected to post a "significant net loss" in the current year due to its troubles in Australia and exposure to higher and volatile jet fuel prices."


mariner



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25712 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21947 times:
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Quoting SOLENT (Reply 8):
The fact is QF has lost market share and is losing money internationally.

But is it losing market share?:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/n...ircle/story-e6frea8c-1226192015258

"Qantas holds on to air share as rivals circle

Official figures released yesterday show Qantas carried 18.7 per cent of all overseas arrivals and departures, despite losing about $210 million in 2010-11.

When combined with its cut-price stablemate Jetstar (8 per cent), the Qantas group carries 26.7 per cent of the market, which grew as more Australians flew overseas because of the strength of the local currency."


Obviously, it has lost market share previously, but it seems to have arrested that.

mariner



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 21866 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Everything appears to be in good order, although there are a couple of minor snafus.

Very nice, and clean, easy to use  

Assume they will use the Foxtrot fingerway in Melbourne? Will they use the same check-in area as Skywest too?

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Obviously, it has lost market share previously, but it seems to have arrested that.

Its holding steady...

Quoting SOLENT (Reply 8):
I really think the inflexibility of the QF board to deal with the international market is why EK and others fly so many 777's into our country.

While 777s would have been nice in the QF fleet...still don't think they would have been the answere to the competition who operates on a lower cost base...some of the competition also has extra funding...at the end of the day, Australians have chosen to go for the cheaper option, rather then support their own! Even with 777s...QF is still going to be a more expensive option.

Actually think QF should have gained more A330s to expand into Asia...



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21833 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Air Australia doesn't actually need to make money on BNE-MEL - Tiger does, at least with its present flight limits.

VC will need to make money on any route it operates to be a success, so its still a strange call to try and make a call like that. At its size, every dollar counts.

Given the competitive nature of the market, VC are likely the most at risk of the other players making defensive moves, given the stronger backing the other LCC brands have. Once TT can get back to full strength, thats when their lower cost base tends to be a competitive edge, especially when offering lower fares.

VC have a hard road ahead, but lets hope they can do well.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25712 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21816 times:
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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
VC will need to make money on any route it operates to be a success, so its still a strange call to try and make a call like that. At its size, every dollar counts.

I disagree. I think the cleverness of the move is that the two focus cities can feed each other's long haul.

If it wanted to make money on BNE-MEL as a stand alone route, it would have to at least double the frequencies - and then it would have the problem of flling that many flights.

Obviously, it will be good to make money on BNE-MEL, and I think it probably will, but it isn't actually vital to the enterprise.

Tiger has to make money on most of its flights because it only has one connection opportunity, to PER from MEL.

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-15 00:14:19]


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User currently offlinevaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21770 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 7):
Nice Website! i like it

I Second that!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
Once TT can get back to full strength

If TT can get back up to full strength, with

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
A20.70 million) operating loss
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
VC have a hard road ahead, but lets hope they can do well.

I Agree, I really hope VC can do well and expand heaps. I hope to see it as successful as JQ or even TT (but better) some day  



a346
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21594 times:

Note sure I follow much of this.

One source suggests the following CASMs all for the same mission (note I added a small constant to each figure so the order is likely to be correct, but the real ratio is higher than in these data.

A332 0.384 A333 0.358 788 (goodness knows what weight or SFC by now but this was the target) 0.360 789 0.339 (well a paper airplane still) A359 (paper, nearly plastic) 0.336 A3510 (paper) 0.333 773ER (real plane 0.370 744 (real plane) 0.385 748i 0.343 (but who knows now it is flying) A388 (real plane) 0.322

388 with Trent XWB and 389 well they are pipe dreams, so I will not list their projections.

If those data are half right, they suggest that while QF has lost by keeping 767s and 744s if they were to be replaced by now 5 year late 78xs, use of the 333 was more cost effective than buying 773ERs. Sorry about that bit of counter culture information, but it appears to be the case. It big mistake was not to load up with A333 a lot earlier. And the 332s are likely more cost effective on many routes where the load is not sufficient for 773s.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 21515 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
I disagree. I think the cleverness of the move is that the two focus cities can feed each other's long haul.

I disagree. A single A320 timed to feed their flights would have been feeding long haul... 300 seats a day in each direction is going to depend on more than just feeding long haul.


User currently offlinecwalt2 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 21508 times:

Airnorth announced today it'll launch a new twice weekly (Monday & Friday) service between Darwin and Townsville from 17 Feb 2011.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25712 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21354 times:
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
I disagree. A single A320 timed to feed their flights would have been feeding long haul... 300 seats a day in each direction is going to depend on more than just feeding long haul.

Certainly.

But feed is the essential reason for it - why those two cities - and they know it is a highly competitive route. If it turns out to be a dog, they can cut it back to 1 x daily.

The schedule, as it stands, is bare bones, otherwise, especially on week-ends. It is the difference between wanting it to make money and needing it to make money, as Tiger does.

I imagine it is Mr. James' dream is that it will do extremely well, but - I think - he is being very pragmatic about it.

mariner

edit: and I see Tiger has been given approval to increase flights and will add a 4th MEL-BNE.  Smilehttp://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/

[Edited 2011-11-15 09:53:24]


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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21241 times:

Im still yet to see which terminal Air Australia are going to be using in MEL...

getting cosy with Virgin in T3? or Tiger in T4? spare gates in T2?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20950 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 19):
Virgin in T3?

Most likely.

Quoting tayser (Reply 19):
Tiger in T4?

Not sure theres enough room. Also not sure they want to go that far LCC  
Quoting tayser (Reply 19):
spare gates in T2?

I dont think any gates can be spared in T2. Its already running at capacity at some points of the day.

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
nd I see Tiger has been given approval to increase flights and will add a 4th MEL-BNE. Smile

Very interesting development. It will be a very competitive environment indeed.

Interesting to note that QR will likely launch PER in the next couple of months. Good move!


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20919 times:

Air Force Two was parked at the International Terminal in BNE today, looked good! Didn't have phone or camera on me at work today so couldn't get any pictures unfortunately. Think its being towed over to the old international terminal this afternoon if anyone wants to see it  


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20877 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
Interesting to note that QR will likely launch PER in the next couple of months. Good move!

Do you have any source for this? Newspapers wrote about this ages ago, and there has always been rumours. What makes you think it will happen in a couple of months. Someone told me it won't happen before QR's 787 fleet becomes a reasonable size.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20815 times:

^^ it was in the West Australian today.

A source of mine stated that this was planned but the timing seems even faster than had been stated to me.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20853 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 24):
^^ it was in the West Australian today.

A source of mine stated that this was planned but the timing seems even faster than had been stated to me.

Thanks. But, I'll wait for something a bit more concrete. I've had my hopes up before, as I've been looking forward to trying QR, won't raise my hopes to prematurely.

-CXfirst



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25 IndianicWorld : ^^ No problem. I can see why you feel that way. This is the closest they have come to date though. It was always just mentioned as a future option. Th
26 Julian773 : Does anyone know if CX will operate 748F into MEL. I read it in another thread but haven't heard any more about it yet. Thanks Julian
27 smi0006 : For those who didn't read it in the other thread QR have announced seven new routes to be started over the next few months, including Perth! No mentio
28 Ben175 : My dreams have officially come true! CZ, and now QR? I hope this is just the beginning for PER.
29 smi0006 : For those who didn't read it in the other thread QR have announced seven new routes to be started over the next few months, including Perth! No mentio
30 RyanairGuru : For anyone who is interested the media train for Obama's visit is a DL 767, N1609. It arrived at CBR from HNL yesterday, and is now airborne on it's w
31 Post contains links qf002 : Time lapse video from QF uploaded overnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4U6mGRf9M Still yet to see anything but CGI for the final product throu
32 Post contains images vaustralie : Aww you saw it? I was going to trek out there but had exams Were you able to get into Brindabella Business Park to the parking lot? I would have thou
33 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Frankly, I can't see it. Given the hours the flight operates, a tag on is not even possible. The results from MEL are doing well from what I have hea
34 Post contains images RyanairGuru : For the general public the best place seemed to be the Costco parking lot. It looked like there was quite a large crowd over there, and while it is s
35 Post contains links mariner : And here's news from my favourite start-up airline, Air Australia. As reported in The Australian it has applied for 4 x weekly service to Vietnam (in
36 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ AVV?? Seeing as it currently has no international facilities or official clearance to operate as a gateway, that will be interesting about timing o
37 vaustralie : I really hope it does mean CBR. You get sick of flying DJ and QF. VC would be welcome!! Of course. That would be the best place.. LUUUUUUUCKY YOOOOOU
38 eaglefarm4 : Yes Alliance is a charter airline only, but it does operate RPT flights for Qantas on BNE-ROK and BNE-MKY. BNE-Orange-Melbourne(possibly Avalon)-Telfe
39 Post contains images vaustralie : Thanks I think they also operate from ADL for QF
40 pilotdude09 : Also PER-KTA-PER, cheapest airline on the route! Also cause the FIFO guys don't take luggage generally they are VERY generous and have become the one
41 Post contains links and images mariner : There are some interesting numbers in this SMH article about travel to Hawaii: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/hawaii-...ve-of-interest-20111117-1nkjb.ht
42 Post contains links cwalt2 : Interesting, Xiamen Airlines says it plans to launch long-haul services to points in Australia, Europe and North America in 2014. They are linked with
43 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Koruman will be delighted I guess it depends whether it starts from its own bases, or complements CZ on smaller routes from CAN. In the future I thin
44 Post contains links sydscott : Hi all, An update from the IASC; As Mariner and others have discussed Strategic has applied for 4 weekly flights to Vietnam; http://www.iasc.gov.au/ap
45 qf002 : Interesting! Personally I don't see SAA on the East Coast, but rather getting into a deal with VA to codeshare on transcontinental flights to pick up
46 kiwiandrew : Good to see the back of this far too cosy relationship, it will be interesting to see whether SA return to SYD with their own metal even if at a limi
47 IndianicWorld : I don't see that happening. The yields on SA-Australia are inflated by arrangements like this.. Add in more capacity and the result will be less than
48 Post contains links thegeek : Still a 400km or so diversion: http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=p...GE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180 They've got plenty of 747-400s so th
49 kiwiandrew : True, but I wasn't necessarily thinking of an increase in capacity. QF international have been in full retreat mode, maybe without this cartel arrang
50 IndianicWorld : ETOPS would not have helped at all, but yields were fairly low from what I had heard. I think that SAA could do better, with the right aircraft and t
51 qf002 : Which isn't too bad on a flight that's almost 8500km long anyway... Not for much longer, and they're simply far too big and inefficient. 320 extra se
52 JQflightie : maybe QF could go back into HRE and then codeshare on BA down to JNB??
53 IndianicWorld : Any A340 series could do it as they do not have the ETOPS issues of the twins. SAA have A343 and A346 they can utilise.
54 kiwiandrew : Anything is possible, but I doubt it, Zimbabwe is a basket case and QF only used it as a back door to JNB when the Aussie government of the day made
55 gemuser : They do from 2015. Will this result in diversions? I don't know, but it could. Gemuser
56 RyanairGuru : Also, while there are a LOT of Rhodesians in Australia, most have completely severed ties to their homeland with all of their families now in either
57 sydscott : The IASC, in their ruling, believes that in the absence of the codeshare arrangement that the route would essentially remain unchanged with SAA havin
58 thegeek : Went to A346 at one point I thought? Certainly you couldn't contemplate such a large aircraft more than 3 times a week. Maybe even 2/week. Would pick
59 alangirvan : What sort of traffic is flying indirectly between Australia and South Africa? If people do not mind a huge dog leg, some of them fly through Dubai, wh
60 sydscott : All of that data is actually in the IASC report. According to them 76% of traffic on the route flies directly and only 24% goes indirect. What's more
61 gemuser : I have seen both dates on the CASA web site and in the press. Your guess is as good as mine! Gemuser
62 thegeek : Thanks so much for actually posting the facts. Even 15% is basically one more flight/week with current equipment. There is also the "Southwest effect
63 alangirvan : Who would be the ideal airline to come onto the route? Virgin Australia will not be adding a lot of international flying to anywhere in the near futur
64 qf002 : Not from PER. Maybe from the Eastern States, but from PER it's like flying to SYD to get on the QF service... The traffic that can't afford $4k fares
65 Post contains images JQflightie : well..... it could be easily done with a A330 from PER. We usually bring a A333 from SYD/MEL to PER ready for the PER-HKG, so surely with a re-jig of
66 9MMPD : We still get the 346. SAA sends us a mix bag of 342, 343 and 346 during the week. Most days SAA's A340s have a long time on the ground here in Perth.
67 sydscott : SQ or Air New Zealand. Both would create headaches but I don't see any other candidates. At the moment they don't have the incentive because all of t
68 alangirvan : Of course, the airline I did not mention...Air Australia. Bit of creative thinking - they could look for some pre-loved A340-500s - Thai International
69 6thfreedom : Current VS schedules: VS 601 LHR 20:30 JNB 08:35 +1 346 0 1234567 11:05 3 A 25 Mar 27 Oct VS 602 JNB 20:30 LHR 06:50 +1 346 0 1234567 11:20 A 3 26 Mar
70 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Righttttt..... Not exactly realistic. Theres thinking outside the square and theres that kind of move SYD and PER already had service, so all you wou
71 Flyingsottsman : Finaly saw the A380 Friday night at MEL, very impressive aircraft, also saw the 787 being towed down towards Qantas maintenence while I was waiting fo
72 Flyingsottsman : I would love to see them here aswell but I dont think we ever will, but I do wounder if SA could make a JNB-PER and maybe a tag on to MEL work? I thi
73 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Well there's only 3, and given that one is international and the other is QF only I guess they didn't have much choice
74 ADDICT4QF : This year QF has taken delivery of 13 B738s (VH-VZL-U and ZK-ZQD-H) and 3 A380s (VH-OQH, I, J) , according to my memory. Any ideas why they haven't re
75 qf002 : They have started to get rid of 737-400's as the fleet has grown, along with a number of 767's which are leaving the fleet. There will be mass retire
76 thegeek : They could, but they couldn't pick up domestic pax. What extra pax would they get on the PER-JNB leg from this tag? The only way that they should do
77 Solent : QF managements look like a bunch of twits with their twitter campaign. There seems to be significant damage to the QF brand because of Joyce's actions
78 airvan00 : Because more than 90% of the shareholders do not agree with you. (there is already a separate thread about this)
79 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : Qantaslink announces BNE-GLT with 717's from first quarter 2012 http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/...lying-roo-to-bring-jet-age-qantas/
80 eaglefarm4 : Alliance today re-routed it's BNE-Orange-Telfer weekly FIFO flight now operating via Essendon.Aircraft will return the same routing tomorrow.TEF-ESS-O
81 ditzyboy : I have come across the new configuration for the Qantas 4-class A380. While a total seat count of 484 has been mentioned by Qantas, this is the first
82 qf002 : Hmm interesting... Any timeline on this? I imagine that they will want to get this out of the way before they are restricted with fleet numbers once
83 ditzyboy : OQD is the first to be reconfigured, due out May 2012.
84 koruman : It's extraordinary that Qantas chooses to put fewer Premium Economy seats in an A380 than Air New Zealand has on a 777-200ER. Interesting route planni
85 airvan00 : They have had three years experience with the current configuration so reducing the W by 5 must be a result of analysis of those figures. I wonder if
86 airvan00 : Just noticed that Qantas source says that the A380 has 40W, but the Qantas seat maps have 32W. So going for 35W is not that much different.
87 qf002 : Instead they chose the fill the same space on the plane with F and J seats, which make vastly more money than W seats... The fact that they have redu
88 koruman : Are you sure about that? They make more money per seat, but the experience of both Virgin Atlantic and Air New Zealand is that per square metre of ca
89 Ben175 : PER has finally removed the out of place Finnair logo from the airline board and replaced it with CZ just out of interest.
90 ditzyboy : OQK will be delivered in the current configuration. Workshops on new service flows are yet to take place. There is a considerable amount of galley re
91 qf002 : Yep. If W was as amazingly profitable and such a great business deal as you say then they would be filling these planes with W. They are afraid of ov
92 CXfirst : On the topic of Nancy Bird, I haven't heard much lately about VH-OQA, what is its current state? How far is it from entering service (roughly)? -CXfi
93 ADDICT4QF : I have come across the new configuration for the Qantas 4-class A380. While a total seat count of 484 has been mentioned by Qantas, this is the first
94 CXfirst : That's a significant amount, 4 rows. Are they decreasing seat pitch at all or have they just found this space from reducing galley size, etc.? -CXfir
95 Post contains links koruman : Most of you are probably familiar with this week's Qantas Luxury hashtag debacle, where the airline offered a pair of pyjamas for the best Twitter com
96 qf002 : Q1 2012 seems to be the popular time frame for reentry into service... AusBT makes it sound like that's coming from the QF spokesperson but it's real
97 koruman : Qantas A380: 7% - 35 Premium Economy seats out of 484 (7%) Air NZ 77W: 25% - 44 Premium Economy out of 332, plus 40 lie-flat Economy Skycouch seats (
98 qf002 : Fair enough, and I do accept your point. I don't know why one has to be wrong though, surely they can just be different? It's not really an apple-app
99 Post contains images koruman : Was that meant tongue-in-cheek, or do you really believe that? I am the first to accept that the new NZ 77W Economy is too high density. But in terms
100 ditzyboy : 30Y is confirmed to be added on upper deck - so no impact on main deck seating, other than an extra 9Y. I am guessing this will be 3 x 3 ABC seats du
101 ditzyboy : You just repeated what I has said! LOL Are you saying you have seen a LOPA for the new config?
102 JQflightie : I completely agree! My partner and have purchased tickets PER-AKL-LAX in J-Class on NZ, much surperior product!!! Even on the 767 PER-AKL......
103 qf002 : Nope... Using your own method of comparison (percentage of seats) it's clear that QF is more business/premium centred: NZ 744 -- 12% of seats are J N
104 koruman : Qantas Premium Economy is 2-4-2 in a 744 or 388, Air NZ has 2-2-2 in a 77W. All I can say is this. I travel regularly across the Pacific from Brisban
105 airvan00 : Yes but who would want to travel in an 777?? I would rather a tatty old 747 any day.
106 Post contains images koruman : Ha ha, me too, but airlines will operate whatever is economic. Seriously, there is a significant issue here, which is the increasing dichotomy betwee
107 Post contains links mariner : It's a continuing puzzle - to me - weird, even, that Qantas gets dumped on here and elsewhere, when a great deal of angst has been caused by the unio
108 koruman : Two months ago I wrote a post on here about the Qantas industrial events which was somewhat critical of both management and unions (apart from the pi
109 Post contains links sydscott : Who was using Customers as pawns? Have a look at the statistics; http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel...eding/story-e6freqwo-1226205454729 Qantas had
110 koruman : Sydscott, you are espousing the same views as the management of Qantas. If you read my post carefully, I agreed that escalating the industrial dispute
111 Post contains links JQflightie : ok on a complete side note..... China Southern are recruiting SYD based Flight Attendants on a Full-Time basis..... is this the only airline from outs
112 sydscott : On the contrary, when the Corporate travel account managers look at who their clients are going to fly they look at precisely this. Will my customer
113 qf002 : Incorrect. This is the second time I've had to point out to you that W is 2-3-2 on a QF A380. In any case, the seat width is virtually the same, and
114 mariner : We've had this battle - you and I - on the "lock-out" threads and I see little point in going over old ground. But if, as is now claimed, Mr. Joyce's
115 koruman : Point taken, and I apologise. Qantas Premium Economy is 2-4-2 on the (6.1 m wide) 747. Qantas Premium Economy is 2-3-2 at the very back of the narrow
116 ADDICT4QF : Re-read my post....
117 Solent : Interesting. I think Lordy Joyce and Clifford have lost a lot of face with more people than you can imagine. What I hear is that people cannot wait fo
118 FlyboyOz : Funny... it doesn't say that you must speak cantonese/manadrain fluently. I suspect that they only want to hire the cauasian/western flight attendant
119 ditzyboy : It wasn't apparent that the first text was you quoting me. You can do that as a quote (see above). I thought you were just referencing my post. Sorry
120 Post contains images Zkpilot : That'll be fun for the crew to work in...not! Will be a bloody bunfight in the galley just as it is on the Pacific configured 744s... some real geniu
121 smi0006 : Not sure if it is still open but VS had a SYD base for a while. Currently CX have tech crew based here in a few cities. CA, CZ and MU have bases for
122 ditzyboy : It makes me laugh that there is more issues with W and Y sharing a galley (on the Pacific config) than when W shares with J (on the Kangaroo). Given
123 eta unknown : I just got off VH-OEG- the first newly reconfigured 744. When the flight is full the config doesn't matter- it's all cramped and crap. First Y section
124 fiscal : If you live in the West is is quite the opposite, so I think your comments are locally based. Define negotiating honorably. He did what was necessary
125 Zkpilot : Its not crew on crew, its that W and Y get in each others way in the aft galley on the Pacific, on the Kangaroo W and J don't actually cross paths ev
126 qf002 : Did you get any photos?
127 JQflightie : here is something interesting: QF6035 DRW-HKG 1750-2145 B738 21JAN QF6032 HKG-DRW 2315-0630+1 B738 21JAN QF6035 DRW-HKG 1750-2145 B738 28JAN QF6032 HK
128 Post contains links and images JQflightie : Disregard me.... this is why http://chiefminister.nt.gov.au/news/...n_ushers_in_first_china_air_chart/
129 FlyboyOz : True... we (in China) know that CZ cabin crews dont speak english very well. They are interested in hiring lots of beautiful chinese girls but don't
130 TruemanQLD : Interesting that it will be a 737-800. Seems odd to think a regular 737 (not RAAF which can go CBR-NRT nonstop) can make it from Australia to China n
131 Post contains links and images JQflightie : yeah well, ive done worse in a 738.... in the middle of winter.. BNE-PER 6hrs... on Great Circle Mapper its saying its only 5hrs04mins... guessing th
132 FlyboyOz : Don't forget that QF force the pilots to fly slowly in order to save fuel. Is that true?
133 TruemanQLD : Sounds like nonsense. Though could be wrong, but I would think the cost of having the aircraft in the air and the cost of the decreased efficiency in
134 JQflightie : No, its always like that in winter, doesnt matter what aircraft your on, the winds are bad down south which is the normal route taken, so they opt to
135 qf002 : No. They've just been told not to speed up when running behind schedule, unless speeding up will allow them to get to the destination in time...
136 ditzyboy : I've done BNE-PER on a 73H in 6hr 25min, with a four hour delay and FULL as we were downgraded from a 763. Not pleasant. I also operated one of the l
137 Zkpilot : Honorably would be to start off with the same offer as previously and work to meet in the middle. AJ took the previous offers off the table and start
138 Post contains images JQflightie : yuck! you obviously upset some one im not a fan of the SAT QF767 BNE-PER on the B738....... your constantly busy on that one with alcohol!!! dear...
139 fiscal : I may be wrong as I only have the media to rely on in this instance, but I do not recall any media reports stating that the unions tabled any reducti
140 alangirvan : I have heard that said about the DHC-8-400s - is that true? DRW (12°24'53"S 130°52'36"E) SIN (1°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) 295.3° (NW) 2074 mi DRW (12
141 Post contains images JQflightie : I wouldnt mind if i was a PAX, but trying to work in a narrowbody, on a long sector becomes very tiresome, especially when they are all watching the
142 alangirvan : Well, 757s are used over the Atlantic, which is much longer than 5 hours. Overnight from US to Europe. One difference about the 757 is that the toilet
143 eaglefarm4 : All QF international flights out of BNE off of 01 to the North request a left turn, with ATC during airways clearance, rather than the right turn and
144 VH-BZF : I heard today that Malaysia Airlines plans to start flying it's A380's to Melbourne from as early as April 2012. Not sure which flights? BZF
145 IndianicWorld : ^^ I have heard the same thing. We will need to wait and see, but things are looking up for a MH A380 MEL service very soon.
146 tayser : makes sense really - especially if they do both MEL and SYD with QF codes on them - the loss of LHR seats (from BKK and HKG when the QF tags stop) cou
147 Post contains links vaus77w : Appears QF are still pushing ahead with the Asian premium carrier. http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...elve-asian-hub-20111128-1o2ia.html Any thoug
148 mariner : I'm all in favour of it. I think Qantas has to expand its population base and connection opportunities beyond and outside Australia, and Asia seems t
149 gemuser : Because the restrictions in the Sale of Qantas Act would apply, if they did that, which would elimanate one of the main reasons for doing it in the f
150 qf002 : Me too. If for anything then just to see QF try something new and innovate in some way. They can't stay stagnant forever...
151 mariner : Qantas can't have a subsidiary called Qantas Asia Airways? Okay, revive the subsidiary they already had - Australia Asia Airlines. I assume they stil
152 qf002 : oneAsia?
153 mariner : The great fear of the bashers seems to be that Qantas will lose its Australian identity. So a way round it would be to have some connection with Aust
154 Flyingsottsman : When did MH128 change to a A330 into MEL saw one last Sunday night while comming back from SYD, I thought that was a 777 aircraft on the KUL-MEL-KUL?
155 ZK-NBT : September I think it was both daily MEL flights plus ADL, BNE and PER are all A333s. SYD is still a 744 and 772 for now.
156 JQflightie : In PER it has been double daily 772's .... A330's havnt been on for some time now....
157 gemuser : My understanding is they can't, without the Sale Act restrictions, which are pretty well tied to the name "Qantas". The problem with a name like you
158 Post contains images mariner : Because - to some Asians - it may be exotic? Many Japanese choose to fly United ad Delta on their Asian flights ex-NRT because of precisely that. It
159 eaglefarm4 : Airports getting busier-sorry it wont let me print out the full article. Air traffic numbers to rocket by 2030 by: Steve Creedy, Aviation writer From:
160 Post contains images gemuser : Big Red Rat??? Why not, QF's been called that for years! The fact the "rat" has always been white doesn't seem to matter I agree you could be spot on
161 Post contains images mariner : I'm not one of those who thinks that any airline should - or will - do what I think. I'm just an amateur at all this, doing it for fun. mariner
162 Post contains links mariner : I'm a bit confused about what this means, as I don't know the present status of the Air Australia fleet: http://www.aviationrecord.com/FC/FCn...lia-co
163 eaglefarm4 : Yes it will have 3 A330'S. 2 Will do HNL and HKT out of BNE and MEL and the 3rd will do most likely Vietnam and China.
164 vaus77w : Just curious, how did they manage to get the Jetconnect services branded as Qantas?
165 gemuser : Because it is a contracted service to QF AND it is not a substantial part of QF operations. And because no one has bitched about it. Gemuser
166 qf002 : Quoting screw up? Anyway, there are some fundamental differences between an airline flying around Asia and an airline flying between Australia and NZ
167 gemuser : FWA has been involved in Jet Connect??? Please give a link or details, haven't heard about that. But even if they have it wouldn't concern the Sale A
168 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : Fledgling Aussie airline Air Australia Airways has confirmed it will add four additional aircraft to its fleet to make way for more domestic and inter
169 eaglefarm4 : Sorry i thought i was publishing another article.Sorry about that mariner.Anyway they look like things are going good for Air Australia as it mentions
170 Post contains links sydscott : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...antas/story-e6frg95x-1226130854564 See above. It was an attempt by the pilots union to have Jetconnect declared
171 Post contains images mariner : Not a problem. Note, though, that he says "operating profit" - I would imagine there would have to be a net loss given the one-time charges (setting
172 gemuser : Thanks Sydscott, learn something new every day! Gemuser
173 alangirvan : From comments in Skytrax regarding European services operated by Strategic Airlines, the A320s used there are in very tired condition. That comment s
174 mariner : If they're that grotty, maybe they'll refurbish? mariner
175 qf002 : I only very recently read about the hearing in an article about more recent action -- goes to show how much we can all miss! QF's 767s can hardly be
176 vheca : Does anyone have any information, if any, on the affect of AMR Ch11 Bankruptcy on the recent agreements between AA and QANTAS? Not all Ch11 savvy, but
177 RyanairGuru : Nothing, in a word. Mariner probably knows more about American law than the rest of us put together, so he can gladly correct me, but from my underst
178 mariner : That's about it and (barring spectacular surprises) I can't see that it will affect the BA agreements in any way. The intention of Chapter 11 is allo
179 vheca : Thanks for that. I wasn't sure that the agreements would have been affected. Can be seen as a cost cutting measure in the eyes of Ch11 processes, may
180 Post contains links mariner : I haven't seen this posted before, but I donlt suppose I read every post. If it has been, please advise and I'll ask for deletion. In the revamp of Vi
181 TruemanQLD : Ah good, always thought it would be weird for the national airline to be renamed Virgin Australia... I really wish they had renamed Pacific Blue and
182 anstar : Pacific Blue only really flies to AKL-TBU and AKL-RAR that are not anything to do with Australia. (ie AKL-APW was poly not pac). Allt he other NZ Pac
183 Post contains links mariner : For my money, Ply Blue/Virgin Samoa is one of the great success stories of Australia's relationship with the Islands and I wish it would be repeated
184 Zkpilot : Not to mention that most passengers got about 30kg luggage each (not much room for commercial freight!). Many (and I mean a LOT!) of passengers trave
185 eaglefarm4 : The most annoying thing about the old deal with Polynesian Blue and Virgin Blue was that the aircraft in the Polynesian Blue livery did not operate th
186 sydscott : Just a quick update on the QF/SAA codeshare, the IASC website is now showing an extension of the current codeshare arrangements until March 31st, 2012
187 Post contains links and images jetfuel : View Large View MediumPhoto © Josh May This is believed to be Air Australia's latest A330 due to arrive in Australia tonight. Supposedly an ILFC plan
188 mariner : Since it seems to be a temporary situation, I would hope Aussies are a bit less xenophobic than that - but you never know. mariner
189 jetfuel : When it comes to airlines I think they are. We have been educated that every other airline other than an Australian Airline is inferior, Imagine if Q
190 sydscott : If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.........
191 mariner : All those Aussies choosing to fly Singapore and Emirates don't seem to feel that way. If I were a temporary situation, I'd be fine with it. It's been
192 Post contains links qf002 : Interesting news on the SQ/VA front -- MI will commence a four weekly service SIN-DRW from late next March, VA will run a daily SYD-DRW from early Apr
193 alangirvan : Yes of course. If you fly Qantas, you expect to fly with an Australian crew, with the maintenance done in Australia. Imagine the backlash if Qantas e
194 aerokiwi : Completely agree. While annoying from an entusiasts perspective, it enabled a far greater amount of flexibility in fleet planning and the ability to
195 qf002 : Let's hope they get around to rebranding the thing before it enters service. Qantas performing a fraction of their maintenance work overseas (and it
196 mariner : It doesn't sound as if they are going to do that and - really - I don't have a problem with it. I can book on any number of airlines who have codesha
197 eaglefarm4 : It will only operate on the BNE,MEL-HKT run whilst VH-SSA will operate BNE,MEL-HNL. Who really cares as i bet the people on this board making the fuss
198 eaglefarm4 : The 330 arrived last night at 2015.I listened to ATC and no problems with the English.All was understood and clearly repeated by the pilot and very co
199 Post contains links jetfuel : Photo http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iXdIG9rZwR...BWE/A4IromdP-Aw/s1600/IMGP9009.JPG[Edited 2011-12-13 18:24:56]
200 eaglefarm4 : What a lovely pic from my blog taken by me.
201 eaglefarm4 : What a lovely pic from my blog taken by me.
202 RyanairGuru : !!!!!!!!!! Nice cross-livery I didn't see it anywhere around these parts but it would appear that SQ have introduced a 4th daily BNE-SIN, using 772 e
203 Ben175 : Same with PER, SQ are increasing to 4 x daily to keep up with summer holiday demand.
204 Post contains links BAeRJ100 : National Jet Systems has been fined for underpaying their staff: http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...ilots/story-e6frg2s3-1226222050497 Doesn't sti
205 qf002 : It's not insignificant, but I think they mean $125k total, not per pilot. Works out under $4k per pilot, which is still pretty dodgy if you ask me.
206 RyanairGuru : I'm all for fining corporations who break the law in order to keep the honest, but a $95,000 fine for a $120,000 infringement does seem a bit steep
207 thegeek : I don't agree. If one is caught fare evading on public transport, the fine might be $150 for a $5 fare.
208 Boof : Whilst it may seem annoying, from a marketing point of view it was brilliant as the aircraft was used all through the DJ network promoting the Poly B
209 Boeing767-300 : Anyone get a photo of ANZs ZK-OKC operating 175/6 from Auckland yesterday. Unsure of why they used a 777 instead of the usual 767. It did look impress
210 Post contains links TN486 : New thread Australian Aviation Thread #57 (by TN486 Dec 18 2011 in Civil Aviation) is now open.
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