Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 106  
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19013 times:

Welcome to the 106th New Zealand Aviation Thread.

In New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 105 (by NZ1 Nov 1 2011 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

- Black livery NZ aircrafts
- New NZ WLG-MON-ZQN services
- NZ 733 between CHC and ROT
- 1st 787 visit to AKL
- Is NZ going to cut LAX-LHR?
- Other possible European destinations for NZ
- Booking classes of connecting flights on NZ tickets

239 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18899 times:

Quoting cchan (Thread starter):
- New NZ WLG-MON-ZQN services

Isn't it CHC-MON-ZQN?

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...en-mt-cook-christchurch-queenstown


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18852 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

From previous thread

Quoting 777ER (Reply 196):
If you saw a Y+ ticket being advertised with NZ to say ORD, would you expect with the UA internal flight to be booked in 'W' or a higher Economy fare bracket? If NZ are going to advertise or sell you a Y+ fare then yes I believe (and so do other a.net users on this forum) that its realistic to expect a higher booking class.

I don't understand why you think it's realistic to expect the highest booking class. The main benefit (outside of weird airline specifics such as the AC case below) of the higher booking class is availability, and if W (or Q or B or ...) is available then what difference does it make to someone purchasing the fare? The fare rules govern the fees and flexibility, not the booking class.

I.e. what benefit are you expecting from the higher booking class? The only argument I could see would be Airpoints earning, which probably does have some value.
Yes Airpoints earning is a big one for me as the majority of my earnings come from long haul travel as the domestic trips I do won't earn enough for status renew.


Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 197):

Not necessarily. Right now NZ is charging more for the discounted Y than it would cost the pax to buy it and pocketing the difference

I suspect there would be a substantial fare difference between Y and W and that this would incur cost to NZ to offer, which would absolutely be passed on to the customer.
I think your missing the point here BlackLabel. Were not talking about the difference between Y and W class fare here. Y is being talked about here as an Economy booking and Y is knowen world wide as Economy Class. Discounted Y is being talked about as a Discounted Economy ticket.


Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 198):
I suspect there would be a substantial fare difference between Y and W and that this would incur cost to NZ to offer, which would absolutely be passed on to the customer.

I totally agree. However, that works TWO ways - NZ shouldn't exploit their pax by booking them in a cheap fare bucket and then pocket the difference!!!
100% agree. NZ does this also with the domestic add on flight. They book you in full economy for $100 when the fare at the time could only be between $60-$80 and also the Airpoints status you earn is less then what you earn on a flight over 300kms. Over 300kms earns 12 status points yet NZ only give you 10 status points for a domestic add on!


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18781 times:

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 1):
Isn't it CHC-MON-ZQN?

Sorry, made a mistake. CHC indeed, not WLG. Thanks for pointing out.

[Edited 2011-11-15 23:01:46]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18653 times:

Interesting article about Air NZ's plans here: NZ%20Wants%20Quick%20Rollout%20For%20Long-Haul%20Changes" target="_blank">http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...ollout%20For%20Long-Haul%20Changes

Quote:
The existing one-stop flights to London via Hong Kong and Los Angeles are likely to remain for now. However, in a recent memo to employees, CEO Rob Fyfe says the future of these services depends on “being able to achieve improved operating efficiencies and building partnerships to ensure these services can be operated profitably.”



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18538 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Interesting article! Judging by the comments in the article on the succesfull changes to NZs Australian/Pacific routes I'm going to say that I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'Seats to Suit' rolled out in long haul Economy. Would certainly be interesting to see how NZ change Economy if they did in terms of IFE and meals/drinks and also sadly possibly expect NZ to further destroy the benefits of being an Airpoints member!

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18444 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
possibly expect NZ to further destroy the benefits of being an Airpoints member

There isn't much to further destroy in this area though.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 4):
Interesting article about Air NZ's plans here

Reading the article makes me feel that NZ will not take up the 2x 77W options, and the 77W fleet will remain 5. If they are going to maintain LHR via both LAX and HKG, then I hope they take the options and send the 77W on NZ38/39 as well.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18406 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 3):
Quoting A330NZ (Reply 1):
Isn't it CHC-MON-ZQN?

Sorry, made a mistake. CHC indeed, not WLG. Thanks for pointing out.

I, however, think there's serious merit in a WLG-MON-ZQN flight, maybe originating in ROT.

Regards
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18397 times:

And speaking of WLG, Wellington Tourism has a pop-up restaurant in Melbourne's Fitzroy for the next week which is called WLG. It's to encourage more epicurious tourists across the Tasman.

Apparently the Victorian diners are delighting in ordering "...the fush!"

http://www.wellingtonnz.com/australian_visitors/what_is_wlg

Regards
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18386 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
maybe originating in ROT.

Well in that case, they can just take the 737 to CHC and head through MON to ZQN that way.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 18316 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 8):
Apparently the Victorian diners are delighting in ordering "...the fush!"

I'm sure they'll be wowed by this teaser of Wellington's delights. Hopefullly it turns into bookings so that the Aussie visitors can experience collecting boarding passes from something called a "chicken" desk....



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineBlackLabel From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18149 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Yes Airpoints earning is a big one for me as the majority of my earnings come from long haul travel as the domestic trips I do won't earn enough for status renew.

That can be fixed without changing the booking class, if NZ cared to fix it. Which they've indicated with their continual devaluations of Airpoints that they don't.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
I think your missing the point here BlackLabel. Were not talking about the difference between Y and W class fare here. Y is being talked about here as an Economy booking and Y is knowen world wide as Economy Class. Discounted Y is being talked about as a Discounted Economy ticket

Then you need to be clearer. I specifically asked you if you expected the fare to be booked into Y class (opposed to B, H, Q, V, etc). I still think that is an unrealistic expectation, and if NZ did switch their partner classes to higher buckets you can expect to see higher fares. The only benefit of the higher booking class is availability (which is the only reason I have in the past had add-on sectors booked into higher classes). Everything else is somewhat irrelevant.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 4):
Interesting article about Air NZ's plans here:

That same memo, IIRC, is the one that states there are no plans for further two-destination flying.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Interesting article! Judging by the comments in the article on the succesfull changes to NZs Australian/Pacific routes I'm going to say that I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'Seats to Suit' rolled out in long haul Economy.

I agree. I think it's inevitable.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18141 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Judging by the comments in the article on the succesfull changes to NZs Australian/Pacific routes I'm going to say that I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'Seats to Suit' rolled out in long haul Economy

Several comments here:

1) Seats To Suit has not been what has transformed Tasman profitability. It is the conversion of Pacific Blue from a competitor to a price-fixing partner which has done that.

2) Seats To Suit is used on short sectors where a large proportion of passengers not flying on Air NZ were flying on LCC All-Economy services on Jetstar and Pacific Blue.

3) The long-haul passengers carried on services to/from New Zealand are in over 95% of cases flying on tickets which include baggage, meals and drinks - the only exception is Air Asia X to KUL and Jetstar to SIN. Both of which are routes which Air New Zealand has vacated.

If Air NZ introduces S2S on all long-haul flights, I would imagine that Emirates, Singapore Airlines, United and Hawaiian Airlines will quickly be laughing all the way to the bank. The only long-haul flights where I can see a role for S2S are to China and maybe Japan.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18024 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 12):
If Air NZ introduces S2S on all long-haul flights, I would imagine that Emirates, Singapore Airlines, United and Hawaiian Airlines will quickly be laughing all the way to the bank.

IMHO, the seat to suit model just makes NZ look cheap. It gives the impression that this airline offers services similar quality to DJ, JQ, Air Asia etc., not something in par with CX, SQ alike, not even QF.


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 287 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17841 times:

2nd Black Airbus ZK-OJR to enter service 3 days earlier than planned. It will not be up and running effective 24th Nov.
Will operate 4 sectors 24th and 25th, 3 sectors on 26th to have it overnight in CHC ready for original planned entry into service on the 27th.
Be interesting to see the 2 Black 'buses' side by side in AKL


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17843 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting cchan (Reply 13):

I've spoken to several friends who have used NZ to Australia since S2S was launched and they have all basically said the same thing, NZs service level has dropped to a LCC service and its usually cheaper to fly EK from AKL or CHC then the 'seat' option


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17744 times:

The move to the LCC model is not just about reducing costs, but also about extracting value from a company's suite of products and services. This is part of a wider trend of allowing consumers to customising products. This creates value by allowing intrinsic value within a product or service to be released. Think how McDonalds now offers a made to order service or how you download apps that meet your needs. Why shouldn't airlines meet this growing consumer expectation?

Air NZ is well ahead of many others in this field. It profiled different passenger types to underpin the investment in the new long haul cabin. (Remember those Simpsons characters.) Indeed, the concept behind the Skycouch is to allow travellers to customise how they can use of their allocation of economy class space.

Thinking about seats to suits, I can easily see how it would be transformational for an airline's wafer thin profit margins. I've heard Norm Thomson speak and he mentioned that the few dollars worth of food ingredients turns into something like $20 of realised costs for each meal after loading, paying for the fuel to fly the meal and cleaning up afterwards.

What could this per-meal savings figure mean for Air NZ? I don't know the uptake of the meals per flight or costs, but lets say 120 passengers per A320 don't select a meal. The savings are about $2400 per A320 flight. Air NZ operates something like 13,000 international A320 flights. This equates to $31 million of annual savings. I couldn't quatify the additional savings that would flow from the changed baggage regieme, but I suspect that they would be larger.

If a fully inclusive, high quality product was the key to success, one only needs to look to Singapore Airlines. Their passenger numbers have virtually stagnated over the past decade and their profit margins have shrunk to the 1%-3% range. I think that the likes of Air NZ, Virgin Australia, Jetstar and Air Asia X have it right. They have a suit of products that allow consumers to pick and chose what to pay. It gives airlines greater control of costs as well.

For the record, I do not work at Air NZ but I certainly think they are an airline moving the right direction and deserve a little more credit than what they are given in this forum. Air NZers reading this should be proud of their company and the direction it is moving in.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17692 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 16):

Air NZ is well ahead of many others in this field. It profiled different passenger types to underpin the investment in the new long haul cabin. (Remember those Simpsons characters.) Indeed, the concept behind the Skycouch is to allow travellers to customise how they can use of their allocation of economy class space.

If NZ are to do this then I would like to see them further stratify economy... ie D - zone economy should be 3-3-3 all with Sky Couches, E-Zone should be a basic/economy-economy with 3-4-3... This way they could keep their yields and satisfaction up amoungst the frequent fliers/full economy pax, whilst still having high loads etc from having more seats in the back.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17666 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
If NZ are to do this then I would like to see them further stratify economy... ie D - zone economy should be 3-3-3 all with Sky Couches, E-Zone should be a basic/economy-economy with 3-4-3...

Whilst I doubt the 10 abreast in a 773 issue will ever die, but my observation would be how would any suggested alternatives for the 777 fleet carry over the 787 as well.

Therefore in this case would it be fair to say that your mixed 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 proposal could work with both fleets? It seems to fit the Boeing's trademarked concept of a 3-2-3 economy configuration, with the Skycouchs on the outside and "premium" (surcharged) twin seats in the middle. The width would be similar to the current 772 3-3-3 seat.

It also means that there would be a 787 cabin in a 3-3-3 layout with a similar pitch and width to the current 773 3-4-3 seats.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17600 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 18):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
If NZ are to do this then I would like to see them further stratify economy... ie D - zone economy should be 3-3-3 all with Sky Couches, E-Zone should be a basic/economy-economy with 3-4-3...

Whilst I doubt the 10 abreast in a 773 issue will ever die, but my observation would be how would any suggested alternatives for the 777 fleet carry over the 787 as well.

Therefore in this case would it be fair to say that your mixed 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 proposal could work with both fleets? It seems to fit the Boeing's trademarked concept of a 3-2-3 economy configuration, with the Skycouchs on the outside and "premium" (surcharged) twin seats in the middle. The width would be similar to the current 772 3-3-3 seat.

It also means that there would be a 787 cabin in a 3-3-3 layout with a similar pitch and width to the current 773 3-4-3 seats.

Yeah that makes sense... spacecouch/economy+ in the forward section, cheap economy in the rear...
I was hoping NZ would have gone 2-4-2 with the 787 but after the 77W 3-4-3 that has all but been dashed... it will be 3-3-3 on the 787  



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17531 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
I've spoken to several friends who have used NZ to Australia since S2S was launched and they have all basically said the same thing, NZs service level has dropped to a LCC service and its usually cheaper to fly EK from AKL or CHC then the 'seat' option

The main problem with the S2S model is NZ's brand image. From the perspective of premium customers, NZ would become a cheapskate trying to play rich and generous. From the perspective of budget customers, NZ is not cheaper than other LCCs. Switching to a S2S model does not mean NZ will price their airfares substantially cheaper than other full service airlines like CX, QF or SQ. So why pay about the same and receive a lower quality product? For the die hard frugal travelers, I don't think NZ would ever beat Air Asia X in fares.

[Edited 2011-11-17 17:36:09]

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17530 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 18):
Whilst I doubt the 10 abreast in a 773 issue will ever die, but my observation would be how would any suggested alternatives for the 777 fleet carry over the 787 as well.

Therefore in this case would it be fair to say that your mixed 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 proposal could work with both fleets? It seems to fit the Boeing's trademarked concept of a 3-2-3 economy configuration, with the Skycouchs on the outside and "premium" (surcharged) twin seats in the middle. The width would be similar to the current 772 3-3-3 seat.

It also means that there would be a 787 cabin in a 3-3-3 layout with a similar pitch and width to the current 773 3-4-3 seats.

I wouldn't have a problem with the following 77E and 77W separation:

Economy Class: 3-3-3 seating with 34 inch pitch, included luggage, meals and IFE, Star RTW fares book into this. If Economy full, they book into Economy Minus but with included luggage, meals and IFE.

Economy Minus: 3-4-3 seating with 31 inch pitch, luggage meals and IFE for sale.

What I would not accept and would consider to be economic suicide would be making ALL Economy into Economy Minus.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

Skycouches are selling well, I am pretty confident you will not see "Economy minus" for the whole aircraft.

'Seats to suit' has only been mentioned as one business model being explored. There are a number of other options as well.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17410 times:

''Marriage Proposal Goes Off Without A Hitch In Dreamliner Cockpit''

Seems a good show for NZ,

The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner has just departed Auckland International Airport signalling the end of its first visit to New Zealand, but not before one young man proposed to his girlfriend in the aircraft’s cockpit.

In front of Air New Zealand and Boeing staff and more than 100 strangers onsite at the time to see the 787, Aucklander Ryan Manson yesterday afternoon proposed to his girlfriend Pia Parker while they sat in the two pilot seats.

Pia said yes.

Ryan and Pia announced their engagement via Air New Zealand’s twitter account www.twitter.com/flyairnz, which has been awash with messages of congratulations since, including:

•Congrats! *Gettin' teary-eyed*... So cute!  
•CONGRATULATIONS!!! Talk about a memorable proposal!!!  
•that has to be the best place to ever propose

http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/article.asp?nav=2&id=80110



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17382 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 23):
''Marriage Proposal Goes Off Without A Hitch In Dreamliner Cockpit''

Tacky!!!


25 777ER : What flights is -OJR operating?
26 Kaiarahi : I don't eat at McDonalds. I either eat at home or at restaurants that offer a real made to order service using freshly-sourced quality ingredients to
27 nascarnut : Thu 24th NZ671/672 AKL-DUD-AKL NZ543/546 AKL-CHC-AKL Fri 25th NZ671/672 AKL-DUD-AKL NZ673/674 AKL-DUD-AKL Sat 26th NZ671/672 AKL-DUD-AKL NZ529 AKL-CH
28 NZ107 : Haha I was about to say - interesting to see the A320 being used on DUD services! I mean obviously it'll be the case in the future but all their flig
29 gasman : Seems there is trouble at 'mill between HKK and CHC. A colleague of mine who flies this route weekly, was told "off the record" by NZ staff that this
30 Post contains images ZKNCL : No joke, I was right behind them in the tour - the 2:00p.m. and saw the marriage proposal, then the jokes came, by the captain Anybody else go on the
31 Mr AirNZ : Both Eagle Air and Air Nelson who operate on this route have contract negotiations under way. Both are still in an early stage and no industrial acti
32 aerorobnz : I went on Sunday, when we only had staff and no marriages. 757F and OKP.
33 A330NZ : Now, I know that Rob has said no more 2 destination routes, but I believe NZ should fly a 3 x weekly AKL-LAX-FRA service as an extension of NZ5 and NZ
34 xiaotung : Pax going to the States from other parts of Europe are more likely to go LH all the way. And pax heading to New Zealand would face a 2 stop journey.
35 ZKOJH : we have tried FRA before got the T-shirt and moved in and out! haha, going to South America will offer what if TAM move over to ''OW'' India is a mess
36 ZKNCL : Ah, yes forgot to mention the DHL 757 there. However never saw OKP. zkncl
37 NZ1 : OJR has only pressed into service slightly earlier than planned to cover for NGK. NGK has a job needing to be carried out which will take 2 - 3 days,
38 byronicle6 : Off topic, but I would like to see some new trans-Tasman routes started with either NZ/DJ (or possibly even JQ) which could work well for NZ to feed p
39 aerorobnz : maybe 1 or two but I doubt it for most of the routes mentioned. The market for many of those is too small to justify A320/738 ops. I only envisage TS
40 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-NBV is returning from YVR as NZ6009, due 0610 NZDT Sunday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ6009 ZK-SUH is doing NZ83 from YVR, due 0514 NZDT
41 A330NZ : I flew CHC-PER with NZ couple of years ago and the check-in lady said 'there sure are a lot of people going to Perth today!' and since then I've know
42 NZ1 : Could be more of a headwind at the higher altitude? NZ1
43 byronicle6 : I agree, would be fantastic ifNZ operated the route. I think there are enough pax in CHristchurch and Perth to make the service profitable, especiall
44 ZKSUJ : Maybe lower cost index seeing as its a repositioning flight?
45 A330NZ : Also better connections to ZQN than AKL, and going via CHC would be faster to get to WLG
46 SunriseValley : Not westbound ! CHC-PER would be about 7 hrs and the best I can see for an A320 is SYD-PER at 4hrs. No A320's are used on BNE-PER at 4.5hrs.
47 NZ1 : Our A320's are not far off their limit on AKL - CNS, with a full load. No way they could fly non stop to PER ex AKL or CHC. NZ1
48 Zkpilot : no time concerns for the ferry flight vs schedule for passenger flight. It will be lighter so can get up to higher cruise altitude quicker and step c
49 alangirvan : I have heard that people at CHC Airport believe CHC-PER could support a couple of flights per week. But which aircraft? 763s might be the right aircra
50 nascarnut : OJR entering service Sunday 20th due problem with 737. OJR will operate 4 secors on Sunday 20th NZ441/428 AKL-WLG-AKL NZ539/542 AKL-CHC-AKL
51 cchan : So NZ has no spare 733 capacity, even on a Sunday?
52 nascarnut : Not on a Sunday afternoon. All 737's that are available for service are operating.
53 NZ1 : On most weekends there is a 733 out on C Check, plus another out for ad hoc work such as engine changes etc. This is the case today, so if another air
54 cchan : Does this suggest that NZ is retiring 1 733 too early or they need 1 more 320?
55 NZ1 : Not at all. The network is planned with one 733 always in maintenance, and two 733's out during the weekend. Today we have had a third aircraft go uns
56 Post contains links 777ER : Love it or hate it but WLGs The Rock has won the Commercial Project of the Year award which is the same type of award as the House of the Year award -
57 timb777 : Hi all, I recently had a disturbing expeience on a 1900D flight whereby we flew through cloud for most of my Wellingotn-Timaru flight. For circa 20-30
58 Kaiarahi : If ice was being flung off the prop, then the prop and inlet anti-ice was on. Typically, de-ice boots are not activated until there is approximately
59 Post contains links mariner : I don't know how valid any of this is - it could be just talk or pr: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/busine...airlines-looking-to-fly-more-to-nz "China
60 cchan : Many of CZ's plans (or indeed many Chinese airlines') are pure talk, no action. I won't be surprised if they add a few flights to AKL in the near fut
61 mariner : I think it is talking about the future - as in "expectations" of a dramatic rise. Whether those expectations are realized remains to be seen. mariner
62 chchflyer : Timb777 I'm a long time listener first time caller! You can sit back and relax! As you describe it, the ice encounter you describe doesn't sound that
63 alangirvan : Hainan Airlines has announced flights between China and South America via Madrid, and I thought Air China had already started similar flights. So CZ
64 NZ107 : Wow, what a great insight. Very interesting. Thanks a lot for that!
65 mariner : Lufthansa may be right with regard to some routes, but it doesn't seem to apply to CAN-EZE or CAN-SCL, or PVG to either, which give AKL the slight ad
66 timb777 : Thanks for the interesting reply, certainly one of the more informative factually based posts i've ever seen in this forum! The boots never inflated,
67 SunriseValley : Mr Fyfe is one of those CEO's who runs a business based on the next reporting date. A bit of short term pain for a long term gain is not in his vocab
68 koruman : Unfortunately this is true and is why we have seen the airline slowly contract in recent years. He seems to want to move to a Virgin Australia-style
69 Post contains links mariner : It is really quite surprising to me. Hawaiian has just ordered 5 x A330 new from Airbus which will start arriving before the 787's start coming to NZ
70 koruman : It was obvious at least three years ago that the 787 would be significantly delayed and that the decision to choose the 789 had two further implicatio
71 Post contains images SunriseValley : I have a problem with why NZ are said to be loosing money on their international routes. So far as I can see they have pretty good load factors, their
72 Post contains links mariner : I have no problem with that at all. I see what the price of oil/fuel and competitive over-capacity are doing to long haul airlines around the world,
73 koruman : Many of us are falling into the airline's management's trap in treating the "losing money" assertion as a one-size fits all. Air New Zealand clearly
74 Post contains links A330NZ : http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...ys-international-antarctic-centre/ Christchurch Airport bought the International Antarctic Centre
75 BlackLabel : I'd like to see it too, I'd even route my SFO-Europe flights through it if I could. I do wonder if extending NZ7/8 would make more sense- despite UA
76 Zkpilot : SFO is nicer, but LAX is the big hub for NZ and LA is a bigger market. Going via LAX helps to feed the other NZ flights (island routes in particular)
77 kiwiandrew : The island routes (plural) ? Do you mean the surviving LAX-RAR route ( singular) ? all the others LAX-NAN, LAX-APW-TBU and LAX -PPT have gone.
78 Post contains images BlackLabel : I agree there are lots of benefits to LAX for NZ... but the seemingly constant demand for traffic SFO-Europe shouldn't be ignored - SFO has lots of h
79 Post contains images HLZCPH : Greetings all, really appreicated the technical comments on the B1900D! Now does anyone know what the problem was with the delay to JQ flight to OOL,
80 Post contains images kiwiandrew : What makes you think there was actually a problem? It sounds like a pretty typical JQ experience to me.
81 KiwiRob : But he's running an airline that has consistently been profitable and you're an armchair CEO who's got a bee in his bonnet over loss of FF benefits,
82 Kaiarahi : I know I've said it before, but I'm surprised (and, I suppose, happy for myself) that more people don't use BRU. High speed rail access to Germany, F
83 mariner : Ah, sorry, no, not I. I wouldn't put such a label on myself. I study certain airline models and post what makes sense to me, or questions that I have
84 BlackLabel : I understand your point, but I think that NZ would really struggle to make this work given they are competing with United six-weekly on that route (a
85 LondonCity : It's a pity that the high-speed train station is not located at BRU itself (passengers must take the shuttle train into the city centre for the high-
86 QF108 : Hi everyone, first of all thanks for all the help with my previous questions from a few weeks ago......have another today about air2there and their ti
87 aklrno : To add to that, there is one huge disadvantage to SFO: It may be the most unreliable airport on the west coast. It is terrible for domestic connectio
88 BlackLabel : That is very true about SFO and weather! I've been delayed regularly on ex-LAS/LAX inbound flights to SFO, although rarely delayed too much on the ou
89 Unclekoru : Correct, OHK is the three letter code commonly used for Ohakea - I'm not sure if it's official or not. Air2There was certainly operating some form of
90 QF108 : Thanks Unclekoru, did some further investigation, it appears that is a twice a week thing, RNZAF 03 PPQ-OHK RNZAF 04 OHK-Blenheim on Sunday and RNZAF
91 byronicle6 : What about just an AKL-ORD link without the tag-on to BRU. Could work, and United can pick up NZ's pax from AKL to connect at ORD and onto US eastern
92 aerorobnz : I have been handling SFO flights since they started, and I do not recall more than a handful having gone late due to inclement weather - one reason a
93 mariner : Always. It's their statement, not mine, and I don't think they meant it is going to happen soon. I'd be surprised if they add any more flights until
94 Unclekoru : Ahh, yes OHK-BHE rings a bell now. No problem.
95 ZK-NBT : Current bilaterals won't allow Chinese airlines anymore than 7 weekly flights to any NZ port, thats 7 for all Chinese carriers, NZ is the same curren
96 sunrisevalley : Makes a lot of sense. ORD was one of the points used by NZ when they had the round the world cargo run and if they could get some of the contracts ba
97 Kaiarahi : Agreed, in addition to all the *A connections into eastern U.S., eastern Canada and at least 14 European destinations. Fair point. SN = LH (45% share
98 chchflyer : The doors were installed as standard fit when the aircraft were delivered from Raytheon, so they have always been there. For obvious reasons I won't
99 Solent : Experienced that 'shotgun effect' on the 1900D's of Impulse SYD-CBR. I used to love flying those birds and the pilots used to love flying them tactica
100 Post contains links darenw : Lucky escape for this guy http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/pilo...r-viaduct-helicopter-crash-4560847
101 Post contains links A330NZ : Found TWO NZ related news articles today! http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...ed-with-free-flights-to-wellington Wellington based NZ cabin crew sto
102 alangirvan : Last night Wellington based Air New Zealand cabin crew stormed the restaurant and performed a specially choreographed version of the airline’s famou
103 koruman : It is the ultimate "nail in the coffin of Airpoints as an airline loyalty programme", that's for sure. Now it enables you to pay less than $800 to ea
104 cchan : The problem is not with OneSmart scheme or whatsoever. More different ways to earn Airpoints and the ability to purchase Airpoints will be welcomed b
105 texan : The CAA's Director of Civil Aviation, Steve Douglas, will step down in April 2012 after 24 years with the Authority and nearly 5 years as the Director
106 TravellerPlus : Koruman, may I respectfully suggest your predictions are misguided. If people are paying for a seat using a onesmart top-up, they are using an Airpoi
107 xiaotung : Time to team up with BNZ parent NAB in Australia perhaps.
108 koruman : No, you're wrong there. Those of us who are elite tier members can access R inventory for Business Class awards or obtain Confirmed Upgrades into Z i
109 nz2 : Dont you have to book in Y,B,M,H, U class to get confirmed points upgrade? And these classes are rack rate fares around $3850, not the discounted $25
110 Post contains images koruman : No, those of us who are Gold Elite can buy cheaper subclasses and be confirmed into R class Business at the time of purchase while only being docked s
111 KiwiRob : In effect you are a drain on NZ's coffers whereas the folks buying the upgrade with bought points will be making NZ more money, sounds like a good id
112 koruman : No, because at the moment Gold Elites like myself earn around 1500 Airpoints dollars per year by buying around $25,000 of tickets, and can't accumula
113 cchan : There must be a secret reason the rest of us don't know here...I have seen this statement a number of times in the previous threads. On second though
114 koruman : Today's Airpoints section of the Investor Presentation pretty much confirms what we frequent flyers had feared. Airpoints has been religned to move fr
115 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Air NZ not a 'private tool' for John Key - Goff'' Labour leader Phil Goff says reports a plane was diverted to New Plymouth solely to pick up Prime
116 deconz : That is RUBBISH!!! The last flight of the day NPL/AKL went tech so a NSN/AKL flight was diverted to collect 7 pax which just happened to include the
117 MillwallSean : First I fully agree with everything Koruman says. But there is no point to complain and be an Airpoints member when the return NZ gives to loyal flye
118 alangirvan : If you watched the Prime TV coverage of this story at 5 30pm tonight, they used library footage of a Saab 340 to illustrate the story. At least it wa
119 koruman : There are a few reasons why I remain - tenuously - with Air NZ. My main destinations are in order of frequency HNL, LAX, PPT, SFO and LHR. Until now t
120 BlackLabel : NZ1, is it possible for you provide any more info on what happened to ZK-NBV and her shiny new paint?
121 NZ107 : Now that would have looked impressive in black!!
122 PA515 : It's been reported that the 7 pax picked up in NPL were the Prime Minister AND his entourage which would have included diplomatic protection officers
123 deconz : The John Key party was reported to be 5 of those pax. My understanding was the aircraft went tech in NPL. NZ called pax and offered them the chance t
124 Post contains images glasgow : Mmmm, not sure I agree with that. But then, being a native speaker of Glasweigian makes it easier! Oh, and there will be no rankers game on TV until
125 aerorobnz : In high winds, something was blown into the side of NBV and cut it open. The pics I have seen were interesting to say the least.
126 rendezvous : Yesterday morning a Beech 1900 departed Wanganui then returned for landing a very short time later. On approach it put out a mayday call and mentioned
127 nascarnut : NZ 747 off on another charter. ZK-NBT heading to Jakarta and Manila on 30th NZ6021 AKL ETD 0935/30 CGK ETA 1405/30 NZ1922 CGK ETD 2330/01 MNL ETA 0440
128 aerorobnz : ***cough cough* route proving... However I'm keen for the GIG charter if it is opened up like Vegas was..
129 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Air NZ targets $110m profit uplift by 2015'' Air New Zealand, the national carrier, wants to lift annual profit by $110 million by 2015 and is picki
130 TravellerPlus : How time flies. I can't believe that today marks the 32nd anniversary of the tragedy on Mt Erebus. One of my family still lies on the mountain. It mus
131 Post contains links ZKOJH : A nice way to the end of the year, one of the many reason's I left the UK. ''Air NZ to rebook strike-affected passengers '' More than 1000 travellers
132 koruman : After listening to the PM the other day, I'm starting to view Rob Fyfe's tenure at Air NZ in a different and perhaps more charitable light. His commen
133 aerorobnz : Exactly, while it will stay 51% with the NZ Govt they are definitely looking to flog that 25% or so ASAP.
134 sunrisevalley : While the political masters via the Treasury Dept. are telling the NZ Board to fatten up the calf by avoiding any activites that might impact earning
135 Solent : Thanks TravellerPlus. My father and Stepmother never came back from the Erebus trip. Well bits did. Dad won the lucky door prize at the Air NZ ball fo
136 Post contains links xiaotung : Seats to Suite coming to the entire domestic network from tomorrow. $10 difference between Seat Only and Seat+Bag. http://www.airnzagent.co.nz/wing-ti
137 NZ107 : Well.. All I can say is RIP "Nothing to hide" - though I realise that kinda went out the window with the introduction of credit card fees. Such decep
138 cchan : Compared to previous fares, are they going to charge an extra $10 for bags, or are they going to reduce $10 from the fare for passengers with no bags
139 aerorobnz : Your take is similar to my own...I take no responsibility as I didn't vote. hahaha
140 NZ107 : Nothing to hide in my definition means that the price I see when I select the flights and fares on the first page is the price I pay. And that's with
141 xiaotung : My guess is they will reduce the fares by $10 initially. And this will be all diluted in future fare increases so how would we know anyway.
142 avrich : Grabaseat fares only. Probably explained by the fact that NZ's only domestic competitor fights hard for that end of the market with their "Hot fares"
143 NZ107 : They're just using the name 'grabaseat' as it's so well known now within New Zealand. It is the seats to suit model, no doubt about that one.
144 nascarnut : NZ1924 MNL ETD 2359/04 MEL ETA 1105/05
145 avrich : Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. Yes, it's certainly seats to suit. The "seat only" option only applies to Grabaseat fares (P,K,X,G). Smart saver and fle
146 Post contains links avrich : Seems to match the itinerary for the LA Galaxy's Asian tour..... http://www.lagalaxy.com/schedule
147 777ER : On an NZ domestic flight last weekend the safety video was a mixture of the three-four previous safety videos. Has that new video been done recently o
148 777ER : With reference to the new Grab a Seat fares, when DJ left the market, NZs fares went up sharply on main trunk so it will be interesting to see how lon
149 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-OKA has been out of action for the last two weeks. http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/zk-oka A 77W is being used three days a week on NZ5/NZ6 four
150 Post contains images HLZCPH : Yes, a lot of work is going on behind the scenes to make them appealing for potential investors. I work for one of the energy companies and we are no
151 cchan : Just checked the prices for AKL-WLG in March. No bag $69, with bag $79. They put the price up for $10 for passengers with bags instead. If the proces
152 TravellerPlus : Solent, I am pleased to hear how your family's had the chance to go South. I hope it bought some healing to you all. I was able to put things to rest
153 deconz : Same for IVC/CHC which remains at $ 59 seat only when yesterday the same price bought you a checked bag as well. On our longest direct route (IVC/WLG
154 xiaotung : Just read all the headlines this mornin: "Air NZ cutting domestic fares", "Air NZ introduces lower fares", etc. Another con job from NZ I take it.
155 aerokiwi : Which is kinda weird as the logic behind separating out additional "costs" such as baggage is to provide a fairer fare structure, right? So why are t
156 byronicle6 : Hardly surprising NZ are starting "Seats to suit" on domestic flights. It was only a matter of time. Wont be long before we have to pay for the (alrea
157 NZ1 : OKA is out having her 6C completed at present. NZ1
158 cchan : If NZ implements the S2S system on long-haul, it would become a true LCC. NZ has made up fancy names for their different products, but essentially: S
159 agent99nzboi : Yes, it would be sensible for business travellers on day trips, most Koru members have a fastbag tag (and easy to grab from the lounge). So using Fas
160 aerorobnz : All airlines are great big commercial machines designed to make money, and NZ is no different, even if we do all want to be there and deliver a posit
161 Post contains links and images NZ107 : I suppose this is something we've all been waiting for: A milestone for the 787-9 Dreamliner by The Boeing Company, on Flickr The beginning of the con
162 TravellerPlus : Rico has been murdered! The Air NZ press release reads: "Rico, Air New Zealand’s furry mascot, has passed away while hosting a celeb-packed house-wa
163 NZ107 : I don't see Koruman on the accused list... Haha jokes aside, good to know Rico is finally history. Now please can Air NZ get on to a better strategy
164 Post contains links A330NZ : CHC has won an award for their end if year report http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...ual-report-judged-best-in-country/
165 gasman : I did it. Pleased to say Rico died painfully, crying like a little girl and begging for mummy. Seriously, the only surprise is how long it took. It w
166 cchan : Rico would be sad that he didn't get a better chance of attracting that extra 1 customer by having his image on a special livery like NH's pokemon je
167 TravellerPlus : The fact that we have discussed it highlights that in advertising, the ghastly is often sticks better than the classy. I think Rico's ghost will haun
168 Post contains links texan : Someone broke into an Air Nelson plane at Kapiti Coast Airport overnight, releasing the emergency chute and causing the 6:55 am flight to be cancelled
169 777ER : IMHO it was only a matter of time before someone tried something stupid with a Q300 at PPQ because of the low fences around the runways that border a
170 777ER : AI are now wanting to lease its 772LRs and 2x B744s for $60m. Could NZ use its brains and try and lease the 772s as interim cover for the B789s?
171 ZKOJH : Does the words NZ and ''Brains'' even go together most of the time??!! they could pick up the 772LR's but most of the time they want brand new stuff o
172 Mr AirNZ : Do the words NZ and profitable go together? Regardless of what many think on here, NZ is profitable and has remained so despite a worldwide recession
173 gasman : We've heard this argument before - ie. that if an advertisement generates discussion, it is therefore successful by default. I don't buy it for a mom
174 aerorobnz : I didn't really do the whole Rico thing either but I do know the specifics of how much revenue he apparently generated for the company. It was a not
175 NZ107 : It'd be interesting to see how they actually calculate such figures (same for any company figuring out the 'profits' from marketing campaigns).. Or i
176 koruman : I don't expect you to disclose the specifics in terms of amounts of money, but I'd be grateful if you could summarise the methodology by which revenu
177 gasman : It's easy. You take the number of YouTube hits over a defined period. Divide this by the average pax IQ over the same period. Multiply this by the co
178 Mr AirNZ : And I would certainly not disagree with you at all on the above point. NZ has been playing it very conservative of late and I personally would like t
179 aerorobnz : I'd love to know myself. I am as cynical about all this as you are. I guess one measure could be anyone who clicked through directly to the airnz sit
180 Kaiarahi : If the CEO of one of the companies whose board I sit on spent as much time on social media as Mr. Fyfe is alleged to do, I'd vote to fire them. It's n
181 xiaotung : So why did Ed Sims quit NZ to become the CEO of Airways with only 750 employees? To me it's an incredibly boring job. I see his contribution to NZ fa
182 gasman : I'm cynical also, but I have no interest in knowing. Whatever measurement tool they designed is going to have massive assumptions integral to it, and
183 aerorobnz : Because regardless of company size having CEO on your CV is important, especially a company with as much clout as Airways in NZ. I'm sure the fact th
184 koruman : I think that Rob Fyfe was badly burned by the ITV Digital bankruptcy over which he presided at the turn of the last decade. He has adopted a "think s
185 kiwiandrew : Do you know for certain that NZ could obtain rights for this service? If not, then there is not a lot of point speculating about it. I still remember
186 kiwiRob : You keep on harping on about ITV and how it was all Fyfe's fault but it wasn't, he can't take all the blame for it, the govt at the time made promise
187 koruman : That's not what I meant at all. I'm hypothesising that his ultra-conservative network strategies may be linked to his previous catastrophic failure,
188 Kaiarahi : Under the bilateral that came into force in October, 2011 (signed in 2009), NZ has one way traffic rights. It does not have the right to pick up LHR
189 koruman : Wow. Why? What an odd set of rights.
190 Kaiarahi : Agreed. Assuming I've interpreted it correctly (macilree?), could it have something to do with the Australian Commerce Commission refusing NZ/AC code
191 kiwiandrew : Thanks for that, even in the weird world of bilaterals that stands out for me for sheer insanity, but at least we know that we can't chastise NZ for
192 Post contains links macilree : Not correct. For a New Zealand airline to operate AKL-YVR-LHR with fifth freedom rights between YVR and LHR these have to be available in both the Ne
193 mariner : Even if true, I don't think that is insane. Protectionist, sure, but that's Canadian policy - look at the fuss about additional traffic rights for Em
194 kiwiandrew : Ooops, looks like I owe K'man an apology. Sorry, it seems that in this case you are correct that they have the rights ( I still reserve judgement on
195 cchan : There is a point in this document regarding Aipoints which is a bit worrying, it says: increased focus on "earn to fly" vs "fly to earn".
196 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Admittedly the point is now moot because it appears the original interpretation was incorrect, nonetheless, I would suggest that if a clause existed
197 sunrisevalley : Immigration and Air traffic agreements are Federal jurisdictions not provincial.
198 xiaotung : Indeed worrying. What are they even thinking? How is that going to create loyalty? "Earn to fly" means "don't bother, fly another airline." They are
199 cchan : The choice is not that great for flights to New Zealand anyway, the competitors are relatively few. The "earn to fly" and Flybuy options are targeted
200 Post contains images koruman : Not at all. I write in a fashion which is intended to be thought-provoking and I'm well aware that for every good idea I espouse I also suggest sever
201 kiwiandrew : But has anyone given indication that such an expansion of rights is actually on the cards? I do agree with you that NZ, probably as a result of being
202 sunrisevalley : I often wonder what agreement was made, beyond money, in exchange for QF giving up their stake in NZ.
203 Post contains links and images Kaiarahi : Yes. I was looking at the text here: http://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=105113 (GoC official website). What puzzled me is that it is s
204 Kaiarahi : I really doubt it. LHR is a flagship route for AC. It would also play havoc with fleet utilisation; because of the time zones across Canada, the airc
205 aerokiwi : I think I know what you're getting at but NZ's brand was dirt in Australia for a long time - I don't think there was much chance of taking a punt on
206 koruman : I've had private correspondence from a senior Air NZ executive about this, and I have to tell you that it's full steam ahead with "EARN TO FLY" with
207 xiaotung : But QF and AC have never decreased the earning ability on flying despite the number of retail partners.
208 mariner : That's a puzzling leap between two separate thoughts. (i) The price is being paid by the consumer is non-protectionist countries, too. This obsession
209 Post contains links Kaiarahi : That's a very blunt word. I don't want to hijack this thread, but you may want to take a look at Canada's "Blue Skies" policy and the bilaterals with
210 koruman : Yes, I know that. But I don't know why people are surprised by this, or how they get the energy to be upset. This is an airline which has been dissec
211 Kaiarahi : There's one very significant difference (as far as I know) between Airpoints and Aeroplan (AC). In Aeroplan, only miles (points) accumulated through
212 mariner : Protectionism can come in many forms, and is not necessarily blind. Nor do I necessarily disagree with it. I could handle a little more protectionism
213 Kaiarahi : Shrug away! But fair point - self-interest doesn't offend me, but (from my perspective) "blind" (my adjective, I'll admit) and unreasoned protectioni
214 mariner : It is you adding words like "blind" and now "unreasoned" - and I would hope most counties act of of perceived self-interest. I have no problem with s
215 Kaiarahi : Me neither - I think we're on the same page.
216 Post contains links NZ107 : Judging the post from this thread: LAN Increases Flights To Easter Island (by SCL767 Dec 4 2011 in Civil Aviation) - it seems like LAN Peru will send
217 aerokiwi : Presumably the point of the protection is to protect Air Canada. Protection shields business (airlines) from market realities, including changing con
218 mariner : Air Canada is not immune to changing consumer demands - nor competition, such as the comparatively successful Westjet. But ifs financial troubles, it
219 alangirvan : My Onesmart Card arrived from Air New Zealand today. Lots of excitement as I read the booklet from cover to cover. As a banking product, I am not sure
220 NZ2 : Interesting, I got my card early last week and have had a quick look at the booklet but did not pick up that monthly fee. A question: Can you just co
221 xiaotung : I don't see why not. It's the same Flybuys barcode on the back of the card which merchants scan. Airpoints number is manually entered at most check i
222 cchan : It is great for people who can't or do not want to get a credit card for whatever reason but still want to do online shopping alike.
223 NZ107 : Of course - you just don't activate the mastercard part of it. Same here - Either way, $1.95 a month is not much and actually very comparable to just
224 xiaotung : Then any MasterCard and Visa debit card will do. Most banks now offer this as part of the cheque account. It doesn't have to be multi-currency.
225 alangirvan : A debit card will let you spend money in your account at overseas places. This card locks in the exchange rate from the day you transfer funds onto th
226 xiaotung : That's exactly why I don't see the point. What if at the time of the transaction the exchange rate drops in your favour you would have paid more to h
227 NZ107 : And what happens when the exchange rate drops against your favour? Some people like certainty; as much certainty as if they had cash in hand. The NZD
228 RoseFlyer : I know there were rumors posted a while ago, but are the 777-200 and 747 fleets going to get new or revised mattress pads in Business Premier like the
229 aerorobnz : Do you mean the memory foam pads that the 77W has? or the actual cushion in the lie-flat bed itself? If you mean the memory foam pads then they are o
230 xiaotung : You have 50/50 chance either way so why bother?
231 anstar : Perhaps in other costs - but NZ have a higher cost base for their crews than Virgin Atlantic. (salaries and allowances considered).
232 Post contains images aerokiwi : Haha! So to get the very cheapest standard all service return trip on NZ, say AKL-SYD for APD450, you'd need to spend $45,000 and be charged $1.95 pe
233 cchan : If one has $45,000 to spend, I am sure that person would not mind spending $450 to buy his/her air ticket and not worry about Airpoints at all. To ge
234 aerorobnz : That's what I was thinking, if it was to LHR then it would be LHR cabin crew..
235 NZ107 : No, that gets waived because you spend more than $500 in a month. There are things called trends too if you want to know. This isn't a finance forum
236 xiaotung : This is not a psychology forum either. I was just stating the fact that this card just in reality doesn't really benefit you financially because exch
237 BlackLabel : I agree that the new OneSmart thing is a gimmick with extremely limited value - it makes me wonder how much cost (time, money, marketing, IT effort, e
238 anstar : Plus AIr NZ crews get about double the allowances that VS crews get int he same cities (LHR/HKG etc)
239 Post contains links cchan : This thread is getting a bit long, please continue the discussion in New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 107 (by cchan Dec 6 2011 in Civil Aviation) Than
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 105 posted Tue Nov 1 2011 21:37:35 by NZ1
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 104 posted Fri Oct 21 2011 05:28:19 by cchan
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103 posted Sun Oct 9 2011 21:58:18 by aerokiwi
New Zealand Aviation Thread #102 posted Tue Sep 13 2011 11:39:04 by cchan
New Zealand Aviation Thread #101 posted Thu Sep 1 2011 04:24:49 by PA515
New Zealand Aviation Thread #90 posted Tue Jan 11 2011 18:00:17 by PA515
New Zealand Aviation Thread #89 - Merry Christmas posted Wed Dec 22 2010 21:51:52 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #88 Summer Season posted Mon Dec 6 2010 20:49:35 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #87 posted Thu Nov 11 2010 17:19:08 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #86 posted Sat Oct 23 2010 17:14:14 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 104 posted Fri Oct 21 2011 05:28:19 by cchan
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103 posted Sun Oct 9 2011 21:58:18 by aerokiwi
New Zealand Aviation Thread #102 posted Tue Sep 13 2011 11:39:04 by cchan
New Zealand Aviation Thread #101 posted Thu Sep 1 2011 04:24:49 by PA515
New Zealand Aviation Thread #90 posted Tue Jan 11 2011 18:00:17 by PA515
New Zealand Aviation Thread #89 - Merry Christmas posted Wed Dec 22 2010 21:51:52 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #88 Summer Season posted Mon Dec 6 2010 20:49:35 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #87 posted Thu Nov 11 2010 17:19:08 by 777ER
New Zealand Aviation Thread #86 posted Sat Oct 23 2010 17:14:14 by 777ER