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Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8684 times:

This came as a surprise http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2011/11/tg-suspends-athens-service/ but according to other sources ATH was suspended for winter only so far.

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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8615 times:

Well, TK recently started codesharing with TG on IST-BKK (both star carriers), so it might make more sense to rely on TK for IST-ATH rather than operate this route. We might see some codeshares on IST-Europe for TG on TK metal I guess.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Athens has been removed from timetable so its not bookable at TG even as code share, yet many other places not served still in there http://www.thaiairways.com/homepage/en/home.htm

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
This came as a surprise

Not really as the whole Greek economy has gone down the drain


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1087 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

I wonder how long will take for SQ to "give ATH the boot".

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

Well the Gulf carriers have been becoming more and more aggressive in Athens so this is sad, yet expected.

I remember some years ago I would be waiting for my flight to Belgrade in Athens and I would love seeing their MD-11s parked at the gate!

By the way, does anyone remember when they withhdrew their DC-10s? I found thta it was in 1998 but I remember seeing them in early 2000s in Athens.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

This is saddening. I remember flying MNL-DMK-ATH v/v back in 2004 and while I was not particularly happy with the long layovers in DMK (among a few other issues I had with this trip), it's sad to see this route go since this was the first (and so far only) time I've flown TG.  

User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

TG even used A300 there once upon a time.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

The capacity freed up from the ATH cancellation will be used on TGs new 3 weekly route to BRU from Nov 17.
Hope this works better for TG.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 4):

I wonder how long will take for SQ to "give ATH the boot".

it is already operating as a tag-on to the SIN-IST flight...


User currently offlineretrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 10):
it is already operating as a tag-on to the SIN-IST flight...

Do they possess 5th freedom rights for this? I didn't know they operated ATH as a tag, how interesting.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

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Quoting retrolivery (Reply 11):
Do they possess 5th freedom rights for this? I didn't know they operated ATH as a tag, how interesting.

I remember checking prices for this flight, hoping to get a cheap way to try SQ but it was expensive. Sı in short it was bookable.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 14):
I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.

Which is why OA served Australia for quite a few years. Relevant Australian government information on the large Greek community in Australia.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/greece/greece_country_brief.html

Excerpt:

Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.


User currently offlinelawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Even before the debt crisis came to light, ATH felt like one of TG's weakest European routes, with a fair deal of equipment tinkering along the way. TG's relatively newer European stations (OSL and DME) have been doing fairly well in comparison, despite the fact that the ATH route has been around for far far longer. ATH might very well be a temporary suspension anyway though, considering that TG wants to bring back a couple of its former European routes. BRU is already one that is about to return, and VIE has been openly discussed as a restored route TG is eyeing.

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?

Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

While there is the Greek market how good are the yields? I really do not see it being all that high

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26509 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.

TG is no surprise the Gulf carriers do very well and TK is actually offering great fares and connections Via IST Eastbound and Westbound. Whilst it will be a shame to see TG go it will have little effect on ATH . Take a look at the many many airlines that are still doing well numerous Gulf carriers and Star Alliance carriers.

As for SQ they have full rights to carry traffic ATH-IST-ATH They have even been offering citybreak fares in the Greek press and via travel agents. Fares are very cheap . I know this as I booked one myself .

And just an article some might be interested in :

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...rides-out-the-economic-storm-56430

A few new routes and capacity increases yet to be announced for Spring 2012  Wink

[Edited 2011-11-17 00:37:48]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 14):
I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):

Which is why OA served Australia for quite a few years. Relevant Australian government information on the large Greek community in Australia.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/greece/greece_country_brief.html

Excerpt:

Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 17):
Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).

Duh! As a Greek-American who studied abroad in Melbourne I should have thought of that...      


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

Philippine Airlines was another one catering Greek-Aussies uptil the 80s.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.

However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

One recent example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15362678


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26509 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

Most people are not affected by it. I have been caught up in two strikes in the last few months and even these are handled like clockwork. You can have a riot or protest in one small contained area whilst a few streets away everything else is normal. The number of strikes have reduced substantially especially the ones that would effect tourists. Advance bookings for Greece in 2012 is very promising so far and major European operators of package holidays are increasing capacity. Most people who visited Greece and Athens in 2011 had a hassle free experience. Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain . People get over it .



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain

Fortunately for those countries, they are never shown abroad the way the Greek strikes are.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

The only thing that would deter me would be possible strikes and missing a ferry to an island or something. Safety-wise, what you see on TV and on BBC is contained in a very small part of the downtown area. I have grown up and lived in Athens for most of my life, I have never come across any demonstrations that I would call disruptive, simply because most things you see in those images are in front of the Parliament only.


25 ju068 : Well like it was mentioned earlier, a lot of airlines announced that they will be increasing their flights to Greece this coming summer. I was suppos
26 Post contains links and images EK413 : Surprised... Just check out the Greek economy http://greekeconomy.blogspot.com/ EK413
27 tomcat : Let's also note that many Greek people are now moving abroad, since there are even less work opportunities than before. The Greek diaspora will increa
28 staralliance85 : ATH is a very weak market and has got worse with their crumbling economy. TG should just rely on TK to get their passengers to Greece. That being said
29 777way : They did in the 90s, thats the one that brought A300 to as far as Athens as a tag on, though it was originally with DC-10. possibly MD-11 as well.
30 6thfreedom : let's not forget that in recent years competition has increased substantially, particularly between Australia and Athens. a decade ago Olympic 3pw, T
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