leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7963 times:
Well, TK recently started codesharing with TG on IST-BKK (both star carriers), so it might make more sense to rely on TK for IST-ATH rather than operate this route. We might see some codeshares on IST-Europe for TG on TK metal I guess.
Akiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 607 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7604 times:
This is saddening. I remember flying MNL-DMK-ATH v/v back in 2004 and while I was not particularly happy with the long layovers in DMK (among a few other issues I had with this trip), it's sad to see this route go since this was the first (and so far only) time I've flown TG.
retrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6702 times:
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 10): it is already operating as a tag-on to the SIN-IST flight...
Do they possess 5th freedom rights for this? I didn't know they operated ATH as a tag, how interesting.
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United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2347 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?
Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.
lawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5628 times:
Even before the debt crisis came to light, ATH felt like one of TG's weakest European routes, with a fair deal of equipment tinkering along the way. TG's relatively newer European stations (OSL and DME) have been doing fairly well in comparison, despite the fact that the ATH route has been around for far far longer. ATH might very well be a temporary suspension anyway though, considering that TG wants to bring back a couple of its former European routes. BRU is already one that is about to return, and VIE has been openly discussed as a restored route TG is eyeing.
ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5504 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 13): Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?
Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5066 times:
While there is the Greek market how good are the yields? I really do not see it being all that high
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4553 times:
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7): With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.
And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.
TG is no surprise the Gulf carriers do very well and TK is actually offering great fares and connections Via IST Eastbound and Westbound. Whilst it will be a shame to see TG go it will have little effect on ATH . Take a look at the many many airlines that are still doing well numerous Gulf carriers and Star Alliance carriers.
As for SQ they have full rights to carry traffic ATH-IST-ATH They have even been offering citybreak fares in the Greek press and via travel agents. Fares are very cheap . I know this as I booked one myself .
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2347 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 14): I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.
Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 17): Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).
Duh! As a Greek-American who studied abroad in Melbourne I should have thought of that...
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21502 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 19): Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.
And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.
However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3313 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22): However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.
Most people are not affected by it. I have been caught up in two strikes in the last few months and even these are handled like clockwork. You can have a riot or protest in one small contained area whilst a few streets away everything else is normal. The number of strikes have reduced substantially especially the ones that would effect tourists. Advance bookings for Greece in 2012 is very promising so far and major European operators of package holidays are increasing capacity. Most people who visited Greece and Athens in 2011 had a hassle free experience. Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain . People get over it .
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lewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3448 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 23): Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain
Fortunately for those countries, they are never shown abroad the way the Greek strikes are.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22): ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.
The only thing that would deter me would be possible strikes and missing a ferry to an island or something. Safety-wise, what you see on TV and on BBC is contained in a very small part of the downtown area. I have grown up and lived in Athens for most of my life, I have never come across any demonstrations that I would call disruptive, simply because most things you see in those images are in front of the Parliament only.
25 ju068: Well like it was mentioned earlier, a lot of airlines announced that they will be increasing their flights to Greece this coming summer. I was suppos
26 EK413: Surprised... Just check out the Greek economy http://greekeconomy.blogspot.com/ EK413
27 tomcat: Let's also note that many Greek people are now moving abroad, since there are even less work opportunities than before. The Greek diaspora will increa
28 staralliance85: ATH is a very weak market and has got worse with their crumbling economy. TG should just rely on TK to get their passengers to Greece. That being said
29 777way: They did in the 90s, thats the one that brought A300 to as far as Athens as a tag on, though it was originally with DC-10. possibly MD-11 as well.
30 6thfreedom: let's not forget that in recent years competition has increased substantially, particularly between Australia and Athens. a decade ago Olympic 3pw, T
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