QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6745 times:
I noticed a several changes in the HNL service ever since the UA/CO merger. I've noticed the HNL-LAX redeye is gone, or virtually gone. They used to have 2 of them and now have zero, though some days in the week may have 1. Also noticed UA had 4 or 5 LAX-HNL flights, but have cut that down to 3 UA flts and 1 CO flt as the total LAX-HNL flight schedule. The CO 738 on the route is always full too.
My guess to the question is that the HNL service is being given to the UA side of things, while CO retains a token flight.
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6157 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2): They used to have 2 of them and now have zero, though some days in the week may have 1. Also noticed UA had 4 or 5 LAX-HNL flights, but have cut that down to 3 UA flts and 1 CO flt as the total LAX-HNL flight schedule. The CO 738 on the route is always full too.
It's the usual seasonal reduction...this summer UA was flying 5 flights and CO was operating twice a day. I would guess they will be back this summer.
Quoting DID747 (Thread starter): I would like to know why CO does't fly the 767-400 on that route, any answer,
Yield more than likely was not high enough to warrant CO using one of their limited numbers of wide body aircraft.
tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 3): Yield more than likely was not high enough to warrant CO using one of their limited numbers of wide body aircraft.
They moved it off LAX/HNL to IAH for either GIG or FRA when they added them....this was a main motivator for the UA/CO hook up ...lack of wide body lift on the CO side....as CO added more destinations fro IAH they had to down gauge from other routes...EWR/MAD,EWR/AMS, LAX/HNL etc....all became narrowbodies when the need for widebodies for IAH occurred...
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6255 times:
Having flown to HNL on a handful of occasions from various left coast embarkations points. I've always noticed the larger airframes flying to the islands originate at SFO and less at LAX. CO did of course use the larger airframe on the non-stop service EWR-HNL an eleven hour flight.
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TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7010 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6070 times:
CO has shurnk the size of their aircraft in the LAX-HNL market over the last 6 years or so. I remember when I started college in LA they were still flying the 764 in 2005, then it became a 757 by 2008, and finally a 739 by graduation. The year after I graduated they also launched SNA-HNL with a 738.
Also interesting to note I want to say that CO used only operate a stray 757 on EWR-LAX a few yeras back but currently they are operating 4-5 daily 752/753 on the route since the merger.
DL (2x 753, 1x 763)
UA (2x 763)
CO (1x 738, 1x 739)
AA (3x 752)
HA (2x 332)
You are correct. ...and UA still operates 3x 763 on Thursday through Sunday.
As of now, when the holidays and heavier travel seasons arrive, UA/CO will still be operating 5-7 flights per day depending on the day of the week. 2 CO 737s and 3 UA 767s with 1 or 2 UA 757s added for the 6 and 7 flight days.
malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
A bit off topic, but I always could non-rev successfully in first class several times when DL had the 764 LAX-HNL flights, the rear of the cabins were not that full. (SLC-HNL is a different story) I think at some point the market gets over-saturated out of LAX.
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fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4759 times:
Just got off the 777 service from HNL to ORD Monday. Is that the only 777 service on Hawaii to the mainland? They used to go to LAX on 777's also as I took it last trip. Poor service and they lost the bags both ways so I'd recommend going via a LAX narrowbody next time!
klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
Quoting DID747 (Reply 20): may be CO-UA will use the 787 on LAX-HNL,would be very interresting...
I doubt that. I think those birds are for long thin routes... Possibly EWR-ICN.
I recall CO having a 747 on LAX-HNL to feed Australia, NZ, and GUM via HNL. Back in the day when CO was much smaller, LAX-HNL was a real key route in their network. It is definitely no longer a key route. The larger birds were needed elsewhere. CO has changed (into UA) and so has that route.
Quoting malaysia (Reply 16): I always could non-rev successfully in first class several times when DL had the 764 LAX-HNL flights, the rear of the cabins were not that full. (SLC-HNL is a different story) I think at some point the market gets over-saturated out of LAX.
Word dat, When I was non-rev'ing on DL, living in Hawaii at least 4-6 times a year, this was when they had non-stops to DFW & ATL on the L15's, I sat only once Y non-stop to ATL. While you almost always got F into LAX even if you connected onward to ATL, the non-stops to DFW & ATL were never available, this was pre SLC non-stops, which I've never been upgraded on, yes LAX was 3-4 L10's daily and F was usually available.
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