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Why No Continental Wide Body On LAX-HNL  
User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

last summer, I flew LAX-HNL-LAX only on B737, I did not have the aircraft choise, they were full each time. I would like to know why CO does't fly the 767-400 on that route, any answer,


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User currently offlinenonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6540 times:

Cost. Plus the demand CO sees might not warrant a bigger aircraft.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1939 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

I noticed a several changes in the HNL service ever since the UA/CO merger. I've noticed the HNL-LAX redeye is gone, or virtually gone. They used to have 2 of them and now have zero, though some days in the week may have 1. Also noticed UA had 4 or 5 LAX-HNL flights, but have cut that down to 3 UA flts and 1 CO flt as the total LAX-HNL flight schedule. The CO 738 on the route is always full too.

My guess to the question is that the HNL service is being given to the UA side of things, while CO retains a token flight.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5938 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
They used to have 2 of them and now have zero, though some days in the week may have 1. Also noticed UA had 4 or 5 LAX-HNL flights, but have cut that down to 3 UA flts and 1 CO flt as the total LAX-HNL flight schedule. The CO 738 on the route is always full too.

It's the usual seasonal reduction...this summer UA was flying 5 flights and CO was operating twice a day. I would guess they will be back this summer.

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
I would like to know why CO does't fly the 767-400 on that route, any answer,

Yield more than likely was not high enough to warrant CO using one of their limited numbers of wide body aircraft.



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User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Yield more than likely was not high enough to warrant CO using one of their limited numbers of wide body aircraft.



They moved it off LAX/HNL to IAH for either GIG or FRA when they added them....this was a main motivator for the UA/CO hook up ...lack of wide body lift on the CO side....as CO added more destinations fro IAH they had to down gauge from other routes...EWR/MAD,EWR/AMS, LAX/HNL etc....all became narrowbodies when the need for widebodies for IAH occurred...


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Having flown to HNL on a handful of occasions from various left coast embarkations points. I've always noticed the larger airframes flying to the islands originate at SFO and less at LAX. CO did of course use the larger airframe on the non-stop service EWR-HNL an eleven hour flight.


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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
It's the usual seasonal reduction...this summer UA was flying 5 flights and CO was operating twice a day. I would guess they will be back this summer.

This is correct, with I believe also an 8th daily flight once a week (at least there was during Q3).


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

CO has shurnk the size of their aircraft in the LAX-HNL market over the last 6 years or so. I remember when I started college in LA they were still flying the 764 in 2005, then it became a 757 by 2008, and finally a 739 by graduation. The year after I graduated they also launched SNA-HNL with a 738.

Also interesting to note I want to say that CO used only operate a stray 757 on EWR-LAX a few yeras back but currently they are operating 4-5 daily 752/753 on the route since the merger.



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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Where is the fantastic time of "the proud bird of the Pacific" on the LAX-HNL route..........................



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting DID747 (Reply 8):
Where is the fantastic time of "the proud bird of the Pacific" on the LAX-HNL route...

I believe the time of US-based (and most other privatized) carriers flying a specific bird for pride is in the same place as that livery in that photo - the past.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 7):
The year after I graduated they also launched SNA-HNL with a 738.

I think the SNA-Hawaii routes are on a 73G, not 738.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Aren't the only airlines who curently fly widebodies on LAX-HNL are HA, DL, and UA?


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13):
Aren't the only airlines who curently fly widebodies on LAX-HNL are HA, DL, and UA?

I believe so. For today:

DL (2x 753, 1x 763)
UA (2x 763)
CO (1x 738, 1x 739)
AA (3x 752)
HA (2x 332)


User currently offlineFord3motor From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
I believe so. For today:

DL (2x 753, 1x 763)
UA (2x 763)
CO (1x 738, 1x 739)
AA (3x 752)
HA (2x 332)

You are correct. ...and UA still operates 3x 763 on Thursday through Sunday.

As of now, when the holidays and heavier travel seasons arrive, UA/CO will still be operating 5-7 flights per day depending on the day of the week. 2 CO 737s and 3 UA 767s with 1 or 2 UA 757s added for the 6 and 7 flight days.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

For years it seemed that 767-400 went out half full. I'd tell people at work skip the IAH-HNL and just go through LAX because of all the open seats.

With us in dire need of Widebodies, those birds were put were they were needed, and the 738/9's are now pretty full out of LAX.

Everything has been right-sized,plus UA has widebodies on the route already.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3198 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

I remember flying the Air Mike DC-10's from LAX to HNL, with the merger livery. Nice flight, good service.


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User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

A bit off topic, but I always could non-rev successfully in first class several times when DL had the 764 LAX-HNL flights, the rear of the cabins were not that full. (SLC-HNL is a different story) I think at some point the market gets over-saturated out of LAX.


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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Just got off the 777 service from HNL to ORD Monday. Is that the only 777 service on Hawaii to the mainland? They used to go to LAX on 777's also as I took it last trip. Poor service and they lost the bags both ways so I'd recommend going via a LAX narrowbody next time!

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1939 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 18):
Just got off the 777 service from HNL to ORD Monday. Is that the only 777 service on Hawaii to the mainland?

No, for UA, they have at least 2 to SFO, 1 to DEN, and 1 to ORD.



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2287 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
I think the SNA-Hawaii routes are on a 73G, not 738.

Its was a 737-800 last year, not sure about this year.

ATCT



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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4119 times:

may be CO-UA will use the 787 on LAX-HNL,would be very interresting...


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting DID747 (Reply 20):
may be CO-UA will use the 787 on LAX-HNL,would be very interresting...

I doubt that. I think those birds are for long thin routes... Possibly EWR-ICN.

I recall CO having a 747 on LAX-HNL to feed Australia, NZ, and GUM via HNL. Back in the day when CO was much smaller, LAX-HNL was a real key route in their network. It is definitely no longer a key route. The larger birds were needed elsewhere. CO has changed (into UA) and so has that route.

[Edited 2011-11-17 03:58:07]

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 19):
Its was a 737-800 last year, not sure about this year.

I don't believe any of the SNA-Hawaii flights have operated with 737-800.


User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 22):
I don't believe any of the SNA-Hawaii flights have operated with 737-800.

For a fact, SNA-HNL has always been 73G. I can confirm this.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3198 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting malaysia (Reply 16):
Quoting malaysia (Reply 16):
I always could non-rev successfully in first class several times when DL had the 764 LAX-HNL flights, the rear of the cabins were not that full. (SLC-HNL is a different story) I think at some point the market gets over-saturated out of LAX.

Word dat, When I was non-rev'ing on DL, living in Hawaii at least 4-6 times a year, this was when they had non-stops to DFW & ATL on the L15's, I sat only once Y non-stop to ATL. While you almost always got F into LAX even if you connected onward to ATL, the non-stops to DFW & ATL were never available, this was pre SLC non-stops, which I've never been upgraded on, yes LAX was 3-4 L10's daily and F was usually available.



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25 slcdeltarumd11 : UA flies wides already and that widebody is better used elsewhere on a route that needs it. Don't be too shocked if UA follows the trend and goes to m
26 Post contains images N62NA : Why No Continental Wide Body On LAX-HNL These days, it's all about using the smallest possible plane on any domestic (including Hawaii) route. If the
27 CALPSAFltSkeds : 753s would be the perfect aircraft for some of the Hawaiian flying. Low ASM cost, nice stage length for that aircraft. CO/UA Aircraft capable of Hawa
28 1337Delta764 : AirTran never operated 753s. I assume you mean American Trans Air, or ATA.
29 DualQual : Smisek is too busy selling widebodies to try and fly them.
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