Speedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 26065 times:
I believe some of you will enjoy this little documentary as much as I did. Although I would like it to have focused more on the delivery of the aircraft, it is still very interesting. Enjoy looking at those gracious birds, which today are unfortunately being retired.
warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25641 times:
I have said it before, and I will say it again...in my eyes, there is no aircraft gracing today's skies (with the possible exception of N707JT) that's more beautiful than a Speedbird 747-436. The Union Jack on the tail can look a bit odd on other aircraft, but in my opinion it fits the 747's tail perfectly. I've had the opportunity to fly on 4 of these wonderful ships, and hope that I'll have many more opportunities before the last one leaves the skies.
Thank you for posting the video...I'm saving all 5 parts to my computer for posterity. I know that the day's coming sooner rather than later, but there will be tears in my eyes when the last one is retired...
Thanks for posting these links. My first trip on BA 747s was LAX-LHR-LAX in early '92, with the 747(100? 200?) outbound, with a then brand-new 744 returning. Amazing that it's been so long now, that a few of the early 744s are already scheduled for break-up.
The return flight was only memorable that due to either a de-rated take-off or us simply being full to the gills, we had such a long take-off roll the guy behind me was prompted to let out a "Come on, baby, FLY!" before we got into the air.
EIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 851 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20548 times:
Great to look back on what was considered "the future", 20 years ago.
Whatever happened to Air Europe? How did the giant that was AA and the little brother that was BA have such different experiences that have led them to the airlines that they are today? The disappearance of TW and PA etc
But some things never change - VS and their small fry world against us attitude and their jack russel of a chairman. BD worried about being swallowed up by a larger carrier. And of course the AA mad dogs still flying...
Excellent documentary though
Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
BAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16513 times:
I saw this last night. It is a good documentary.
AA in the 1980's wanted Europe and LHR to be opened up for them and other US carriers.
AA gained LHR access after buying TWA. However the then AA chief exec said if they could get the rights to fly onwards to another destination then they would have no problem with BA (in this case) to flying internal US routes.
So now Europe is open to the American carriers, why isn't the US open to the European carriers? One flight a day between say LAX/SFO and HNL on BA or LH metel is not going to affect U.S. carriers and all the major alliances will just codeshare on any additional flights whilst updating thier ATI's to cover US internal flights.
The above is probably to dicuss in another thread at another time, but it just got me thinking.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2112 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15653 times:
Oh dear, no crystal balls were present in part 5! It talks of how civil aviation is growing in a world where there was no major threat of war. Within two years of this we'd had the First Gulf War and a major recession, which severely hit air travel wolrdwide!
Seeing AA and BA linked up as they are today, it's almost hard to believe they were so against each other back then. However, also think of all the deals BA was thwarted from pulling off in the 1990s - merger/acquisition - with SN, KL, CO and UA at different times.
Crandall's arguement about LHR access is also interesting - at this time only one UK carrier (BA) and two US carrieres (PA and TW) had LHR access. When UA and AA acquired the LHR rights from PA and TW respectively, the UK government negotiated an amendment to Bermuda II to allow a second UK carrier access from LHR to the USA, namely VS. Given that BA also had domestic and then European competition from LHR in the form of BD, it can't be said that the UK was that uncompetitve given the situation in a lot of other European countries prior to the single aviation market in 1992.
Quoting BAW217 (Reply 17): So now Europe is open to the American carriers, why isn't the US open to the European carriers? One flight a day between say LAX/SFO and HNL on BA or LH metel is not going to affect U.S. carriers and all the major alliances will just codeshare on any additional flights whilst updating thier ATI's to cover US internal flights.
The US, like almost all countries (with rare exceptions like the European single market for European carriers only), will never agree to cabotage. US carriers do not have cabotage rights within any European countries. They only have 5th freedom flights on international routes, just like European carriers have 5th freedom rights beyond the U.S., subject to haing the same rights from the 3rd country involved.
shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14813 times:
What an interesting historical perspective, more so in that there was absolutely no reference to some of the big issues which dominate civil transport today:
1. Low cost airlines as we know them now - SWA in US and Easy/Ryanair in Europe
2. The emergence of the Middle Eastern hub giants
3. Alliances, which effectively negate the need for the landing rights so hotly contested by AA and BA back then
4. The subsequent collapse of many of the European state airlines
Interestingly also saw only one Airbus in all those clips...The Dan Air A300
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13585 times:
Quoting BAW217 (Reply 17):
So now Europe is open to the American carriers, why isn't the US open to the European carriers?
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20): The US, like almost all countries (with rare exceptions like the European single market for European carriers only), will never agree to cabotage
I will never understand why EU carriers want access to the domestic market. It's like a cancer patient wanting more cancer. EU carriers would get absolutely annihilated in the US--0they're a solid decade behind the US carriers in terms of deregulation.
Quoting someone83 (Reply 19): American carriers doesn't have any more access to Europe than vice verca. Neither can fly within the other continent
US carriers can and (rarely) do fly within Europe, but the results are so dreadful that tags are avoided as often as possible. Why would the EU want that?