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Anything New To ORD For 2012?  
User currently offlinenomoreRJs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Seems like ORD is going to have a boring 2012. EK is adding DFW and SEA, BOS will get the 787, JFK is getting HA, and ORD, maybe an RJ to ...? Anything realistic for 2012 at ORD?

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

IIRC, EK has said that there will be a third US city for 2012 that is to be announced soon. Whether it is ORD or not is anyone's guess.

And even though the US has an open skies agreement with the UAE, the Chicago Department of Aviation is basically in bed with AUH right now. The CDA and AUH have a joint agreement for business services. And as we all know, AUH is the home airport for EK's cross-country rival EY, which operates ORD-AUH (which is codeshared with AA, ORD's #2 carrier). I'm not saying that AUH (and EY) is influencing the CDA to not allow EK into ORD, but one never knows.

Speaking of new international carriers at ORD, does anyone know how CX's new ORD-HKG service is doing? I suspect it's doing well with the AA codeshare. UA is currently offering double MileagePlus miles on certain ORD-HKG frequencies, so one could suspect that UA is feeling the heat.

On the domestic front, it's almost a given that we should look for further NK expansion at ORD. Right now, they use gates L7 and L9, and could easily expand into the unused L10 jetway gate. And if VX wins the LGA slot auction, they have stated that most of those slots would be used for ORD-LGA.



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

If American Eagle wins the Essential Air Service bid for Mason City, Iowa, (MCW) that'll be a brand new route!

  



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

I mean, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'd say on the contrary, ORD has experienced some pretty fantastic growth since I moved here in August 2010.

We have seen:

-CM to began services to PTY next month
-Iceland Express to KEF
-CX on a daily 77W to HKG (which is doing well I have heard)
-PK has launched service to BCN and onward to Pakistan
-AI began nonstop flights to DEL
-AA launched seasonal flights to HEL
-KE has gone up from daily to 10x weekly (and that being without a SkyTeam hub!)
-VX, NK and B6 have all grown, respectively.

Granted, there have been a few losses:
-AF to CDG (seasonal)
-AZ to FCO (seasonal)
-AA to FRA and BRU

I can envision the following happening for ORD, whether sooner or later:

-LH goes A380 on ORDFRA. IMO, something highly needed at this time.
-AV-TA launches ORD-BOG once they join *A.
-Another Middle Easter carrier, possibly QR or EK (very likely given their recent a/c orders)
-Possibly an African carrier, maybe EgyptAir or ET.

Some of those may be ambitious/pipeline dreams, but who knows?



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

One would hope that once LATAM joins either Star or OneWorld there would be some flights to South America Like ORD-SCL or ORD-GIG.
Also, once BBI is open ORD-BBI.


User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
Granted, there have been a few losses:
-AF to CDG (seasonal)

Technically that's not a loss, just a change of equipment/airline on that route as DL is flying in 5x weekly. Oh, and can we refrain from the whole 'DL is so much worse than AF,' thing please?


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8902 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5166 times:
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Who knows, maybe ORD will get the 748i or 380 of LH. Anything is still possible  

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5167 times:

This may be quite small, but ORD is actually losing an airline, and that is U5. Apple Vacations, owner of U5, is winding down their airline, and shortly, there will be no USA3000. U5 has about 29 flights per week from ORD, or about 4 flights per day, and one gate - M5 (per wikipedia).

However, Apple Travel is transferring to F9 quite a number of the routes that U5 has, and there will be quite a number more to be. And there are already 2X weekly F9 flights scheduled from ORD (HUX and MBJ) in lieu of the U5 this season.

This transfer of routes from U5 to F9 has provided some opportunity for F9. For example, F9 had no non-stop service from DEN/BOS (most likely because F9 doesn't find it needs to compete with UA, B6, and WN on an already crowded market). But because of the Apple Vacation discontinuance of their U5 operations, and F9 contracting to take over the Boston routes for Apple, there is now a weekly F9 non-stop flight DEN/BOS and reverse, an aircraft reposition flight started basically because of the Apple contract. It doesn't sound like much, but F9 now has incentive to sell seats here, and does.

There are strong indications that F9 will be taking over a big number of the U5 operations over the near future. A number of these could be the U5 flights out of ORD. And with that there is most importantly the valued ORD gate, Having one gate, (even if it is in the international terminal, I believe) F9 could start selling the seats on the birds that they use to service the Apple Vacations flights. So.... it could be possible that F9 will soon be having scheduled service into/out of ORD which would involve more than the discontinued U5 flights. I could bet that at least a couple of these could be DEN/ORD, and F9 could compete with both UA and AA here.

A lot of eyes watching here? ...and this could get interesting as this plays out......

F9 at ORD......?  







[Edited 2011-11-16 22:35:40]

User currently offlineordcargo From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

this year has been pretty good for cargo at ord, some new carriers in chicago...

Yangtze River Express
Air Bridge Cargo
Emirates Cargo
Qatar Cargo

Cargolux is flying 10x weekly(giving Chicago the most flights out of all cities in North America.) compared to 4 just couple years ago
BA brought in 747-8F

We are expecting more regulars with the -8F in the coming months, with Cargolux, Cathay, ABC, Korean Cargo,NCA as well as BA.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3019 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 7):
F9 at ORD......?

Oh they better not!!!     


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 9):
Oh they better not!!!

Well, they're already there, doing a very small number of flights (ORD-MBJ/HUX) for Apple Vacations. And there could likely be more to come as U5 winds down. With a number of planes going in and out of ORD, it would make sense to sell the seats on any planes that may be coming used here for reposition. F9 is already doing this with BOS. And they'll have their gate.


User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

There is continued talk that Air Jamaica/Caribbean Airlines will start ORD-KIN-MBJ next year.


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 5):
Technically that's not a loss, just a change of equipment/airline on that route as DL is flying in 5x weekly. Oh, and can we refrain from the whole 'DL is so much worse than AF,' thing please?

Interestingly, and contrary to prediction when this change of equipment/airline was announced, the Delta flight both departs and arrives into T5. I posted this last week - the marque for T2 at ORD has a small sub-line which says, "Delta flight to Paris departs from Int'l Terminal 5." Most people had speculated that the 763 would depart from T2, much like how other US carriers only operate int'l arrivals into T5.

Could be a promising sign that AF is indeed slated to return this summer.

Also interesting - AF and KLM used to have separate check-in counters at T5, but they have been consolidated into one (the KLM counter) and it displays, "AF-KLM-DELTA" all the way through. The new Copa flight has taken over the former AF counter.

On a separate note - where does VX fly from T5 at ORD? I see a VX a/c occupying a T5 gate almost every time I drive by it.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
On a separate note - where does VX fly from T5 at ORD? I see a VX a/c occupying a T5 gate almost every time I drive by it.

Are you sure it wasn't VS?

VS (Virgin Atlantic Airways) flies from T5 to LHR. VX (Virgin America) flies from T3 Concourse L to LAX and SFO.



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1459 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
-Iceland Express to KEF

Has there been any indication that they'll be returning next year? It's no longer an option on their booking engine and it's not on their route map which states this table:

Summer 2012
Valid from 1 June to 31 August 2012*
Alicante 2x weekly
Barcelona 1x weekly
Basel 1x weekly
Berlin 3x weekly
Billund 2x weekly
Bologna 1x weekly
Edinburgh 2x weekly
Frankfurt Hahn 2x weekly
Gothenburg 2x weekly
Copenhagen 9x weekly
London Gatwick 10x weekly
New York Newark 6x weekly
Oslo 2x weekly
Paris 4x weekly
Warsaw 2x weekly
*Published subject to changes.

[Edited 2011-11-17 13:03:52]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 13):
Are you sure it wasn't VS?

VS (Virgin Atlantic Airways) flies from T5 to LHR. VX (Virgin America) flies from T3 Concourse L to LAX and SFO.

Nope. Virgin America.



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User currently offlinenomoreRJs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

There have been threads about an ORD-LIM-SCL flight some time due to alliances. Any realistic chances?

I've heard CX is doing well to HKG from ORD, but I don't have sources to confirm this other than the flights have a good load factor.


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
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CI have been mumbling (? maybe hallucinating) about ORD for years. With the new open skies agreement between Japan and Taiwan and joining Skyteam I can see a ORD-Japan-TPE at some point.

User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
And if VX wins the LGA slot auction, they have stated that most of those slots would be used for ORD-LGA.

I couldn't think of a worse use for the slots. CHI-NYC is already a 6-way (not even counting CO) bloodbath involving DL, AA, UA, WN, B6, and NK, with 4 of those on ORD-LGA specifically. $99 roundtrips are abundant as little as a week out... and I know VX is great and all but I'll stick with DL Shuttle purely to avoid the CTB at LGA.

Lord I hope they don't win the bid, I actually want VX to survive!


User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 15):
Nope. Virgin America.

They RON a plane or two at T5 when their T3 gate (they only have 1) is in use.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3019 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
Well, they're already there, doing a very small number of flights (ORD-MBJ/HUX) for Apple Vacations. And there could likely be more to come as U5 winds down. With a number of planes going in and out of ORD, it would make sense to sell the seats on any planes that may be coming used here for reposition. F9 is already doing this with BOS. And they'll have their gate.

I know what you mean. The ops at MDW are not that big. They operate MDW-DEN 4x daily. Something that can be easily moved over to ORD and take on more Apple charter flying. If a move ever happens and they are to operate at T5 like U5, F9 will have a better facility to operate out of than U5 will have. Terminal 5 is to get new concessions built past security. The interior of T5 is going to be remodel, and will be completed by 2013.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 20):
I know what you mean. The ops at MDW are not that big. They operate MDW-DEN 4x daily. Something that can be easily moved over to ORD and take on more Apple charter flying. If a move ever happens and they are to operate at T5 like U5, F9 will have a better facility to operate out of than U5 will have. Terminal 5 is to get new concessions built past security. The interior of T5 is going to be remodel, and will be completed by 2013.

Yeah, and will be keeping my attention watching this.

But what we do know with certainty at this time is only that U5, as an airline, will soon shut down. That would mean that ORD is going to be losing an airline.

Also, with certainty, is that F9 will be at least offering charter operations from ORD this season with flights to HUX and MBJ.

We know that U5 possesses one valuable gate at ORD, and according to wikipedia, this is 5M.

We know that F9 will be taking over more and more of the Apple Vacations U5 flights as U5 goes and goes and is finally gone. There are a number of flights that F9 has already taken over in a number of cities, including ORD, and there are going to be more. A lot of where these cities and routes are that F9 will be taking over the next few years I believe as yet TBD, although ORD has a big chunk of U5 flights.

We do know that projections of CPE (cost per enplaned passenger, what airports charge airlines) for ORD will be around about $31 by 2018, and for MDW it will be around $13 by 2018.

So with F9, how much will they want to expand into ORD, or have the desire to do it? Will the high costing CPE keep F9 at a minimal at ORD with just the Apple Vacations charter operations? Would they want to split their current flights between ORD and MDW? Will they want to keep MDW as is, and add flights to ORD? Will they want to move to ORD (now that it seems that maybe they have a gate) and leave MDW altogether and compete at ORD with UA/AA, rather than at MDW with WN?

It seems that ORD gates are worth their weight in gold, eh? And supposedly, Brendan Air (the certificate for U5) is negotiating with F9 (or maybe rather RAH, owner of F9) for F9 to take over the lease agreements for the A320s that Brendan Air has remaining, to service the Apple Vacation flights. Can, or will, F9 (RAH) go even further and maybe even take over the certificate for Brendan Air, which includes a lot of the vacation routes, and probably the ORD gate? There are probably both pluses and minuses for such, so........? Or will Apple Vacations just close up the certificate?

Hmmmmmmm?

But at any rate, these are some minor changes at ORD at present.


User currently offlineKyrone From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
We know that U5 possesses one valuable gate at ORD, and according to wikipedia, this is 5M.

No airline possesses any gate at Terminal 5. All gates are common use. Wikipedia has it wrong.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 19):
They RON a plane or two at T5 when their T3 gate (they only have 1) is in use.

Thanks!

On a separate note, I have noticed the following airline signage still remains at the Departures Upper level (where pax are dropped off) at T5:

-El Al Israel
-China Eastern Airlines (since when did they fly to ORD???)
-BMI
-Cayman Airways
-Austrian
-Mexicana (and their counters still exist, too!)

Crazy.



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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting nomoreRJs (Thread starter):
Anything realistic for 2012 at ORD?

Isn't major construction slated to start? Could that influence an airline's decision to delay the start of ORD service?


25 TOMMY767 : Quite a few more CO 738 ops at ORD -- including ORD-RSW starting in March 2012. Currently the route is operated on an E170. I think it's only a matter
26 timberwolf24 : I want to say it was early 90's, they flew an MD-11 PEK-SEA-ORD. They are seasonal and should be resuming service in a couple of weeks.
27 FWAERJ : I think it was sometime between 2002 and 2004, but I'm not sure. MU now codeshares with AA to ORD. MX didn't shut down all that long ago, and they we
28 Post contains images Mexicana757 : USA3000 uses whatever gates are open at T5 since they are all common use. What you see on wiki, that 5M refers to Terminal 5 and the M is for the con
29 IrishAyes : Yeah, their new-branded counters are still there today. Actually, it has a lot less to do with WN's control over the market share at MDW and more to
30 ordjoe : From a spotter point of view I would rather have AF, I wish though we would be back in the days when AF sent their 747's Was at T5 the other week, CX
31 point2point : Okay, thanks, I guess wikipedia isn't perfect huh? And reading wiki, I thought they did have a gate. Nonetheless, I guess the fuss about gates (VX) i
32 ericaasen : There are reasons we operate it in and out of T5. We only have 1 gate at T2, E15 that can accommodate a widebody, but it requires the blocking of E13
33 type-rated : How many total gates does DL have at ORD?
34 Kyrone : I thought CX took JAL's former counters......
35 IrishAyes : Thanks for the explanation. It totally makes logical sense given the short duration of the change. It could be too early to tell, but will this be a
36 yeogeo : Berlin Brandenburg Airport, Berlin's new airport, due to open in 2012. yeo
37 Mexicana757 : I know how MDW functions, and I know they can't take widebodies. BBI is what SXF will become once all the construction will be done. New Berlin airpo
38 mhkansan : I thought the new SXF airport code was going to be BER? Is the BBI/BER differentiation similar to the differences between DEN and DIA?
39 ericaasen : We have 8. E6, E9, E10, E11, E12, E13, E14, and E15. DL also owns E7, but subleases it to US. We're also renting one gate at T5 for the CDG operation
40 Mexicana757 : You are correct it is to be BER. I know BBI is what it was being used at first.
41 ROSWELL41 : Maybe NK will start some international service out of ORD. BOG?
42 joeman : Boring? The megahubs are the only airports with non-stagnant activity
43 United727 : I realize this post is about ORD, but F9 also opens operations at RFD (Chicago Rockford International) next month (service to DEN via the 319). With
44 nomoreRJs : Construction wise, ORD will be busy in 2012. UA and CO will shift more aircraft and will make some route changes. Spirit or Virgin expansion? Internat
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