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Inaugural IAH-LOS Service With CO/UA Tonight  
User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

I'm looking at tonights flight and I can say I know the Nigerian population in Houston is huge,but the Non-Rev list is RIDICULOUS tonight,lol

I think this flight has the potential to be one the most lucrative out of IAH for us going foward. Especially once the 787 come online.

Right now I believe we have the lie-flats on the T7's for this.

I wish a safe and good flight for tonights customers,crew, and non-revs.

[Edited 2011-11-16 15:07:41]

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Wonder why the non-rev list is so high? Best of luck to UA/Co for this new route! Should be a mega moneymaker!

UAL


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9101 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
Wonder why the non-rev list is so high?

LOTS of Nigerians in Houston. Something I learned when I moved here.

I don't know where the largest population is in the US, but I'm going to say Houston has to be up there.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Thread starter):
Right now I believe we have the lie-flats on the T7's for this.

Isn't it being operated with a pre-merger Continental 777 that has had lie-flats for a few years already?


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 3):
Isn't it being operated with a pre-merger Continental 777 that has had lie-flats for a few years already?

Yes. We were hoping to have the 787 on this from the start.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 2):
LOTS of Nigerians in Houston. Something I learned when I moved here.

But do those Nigerians work for Continental? If not, it wouldnt explain why the nonrev list is high.

Even then, the Nigerian population is large but only by African community standards. Its still only about 20,000-25,000. By comparrison, there are about 100,000 Vietnamese, 75,000 Chinese, and 35,000 Filipinos in Houston. As of 2007, this was the foreign born African population in the US:

Born in Africa, 2007
New York 214,341
Washington DC 185,255
Boston 85,662
Los Angeles 72,620
Atlanta 64,870
Dallas 50,105
Houston 47,746
Chicago 46,189
Philadelphia 44,171
San Francisco 39,294
Miami 18,787
Detroit 15,513

[Edited 2011-11-16 15:15:50]


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Nigerian VFR traffic is certainly welcomed, but clearly NOT the reason why CO launched this route at long last.

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
But do those Nigerians work for Continental? If not, it wouldnt explain why the nonrev list is high.

Buddy pass selling has historically been a huge problem on US-Africa routes. DL has specifically excluded its Africa network from its Buddy Pass program due to past abuse.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
But do those Nigerians work for Continental? If not, it wouldnt explain why the nonrev list is high.

Alot do. Most I talk to say they cut off 5-6 hours ( that may be low ) off their trip without having to connect in Europe.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 6):

Without a doubt. This service, hopefully should help the many oil and energy companies here in Houston with their travel time to Lagos.

As they say, " time is money ".


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

This might be the direct, but DL 55 is from LOS-ATL-IAH that leaves around 2230L and gets into IAH around 0845L.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8723 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 9):
This might be the direct, but DL 55 is from LOS-ATL-IAH that leaves around 2230L and gets into IAH around 0845L.

NO matter how they sell it...its still a connection in lieu of a nonstop.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 9):
This might be the direct, but DL 55 is from LOS-ATL-IAH that leaves around 2230L and gets into IAH around 0845L.

Currently ours is starting off

CO142

1905-1340 IAH-LOS 11hrs 35min

the return

CO143

2305-0525 LOS-IAH 13hrs 20min

[Edited 2011-11-16 16:24:04]

User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8603 times:

that is a lot, but GUM-HNL runs those number all the time. I seen have 100+ there!


I will note some satisfaction that even with CAI not working out, CO will serve 6 continents by the time the merger is finished.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 12):
that is a lot, but GUM-HNL runs those number all the time. I seen have 100+ there!

Yeah...I was looking and thinking those are GUM numbers.


True story....


coming out of HNL one time with friends and family. Checked the loads the night before, and showed like 25-30 seats open. Noooooo Problem.

Get to the gate the next night......wait...wait..they close the door and no kidding...like 70 something non-revs out of GUM bumped us and had to go through LAX,lol


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8511 times:
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Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 2):
LOTS of Nigerians in Houston. Something I learned when I moved here.

I don't know where the largest population is in the US, but I'm going to say Houston has to be up there.

Well . . . we (Baltimore & DC) have all the Ghanaians and at least half the expats from Cote d'Ivoire, Senegal, and Togo.

So Houston has permission from us to have all the Nigerians   


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8445 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 11):

Currently ours is starting off

CO142

1905-1340 IAH-LOS 11hrs 35min

the return

CO143

2305-0525 LOS-IAH 13hrs 20min

So I guess the 777 stays on the ground all day long in LOS? That's a long downtime for CO. I say CO because we know that UA/CO does not swap PW and GE equipment. That's a long time for the 777 to stay on the ground when CO utilizes their 777 fleet to the max.

UAL


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8435 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Thread starter):
but the Non-Rev list is RIDICULOUS tonight,lol

So, how many nonrevs are there?

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 12):
that is a lot, but GUM-HNL runs those number all the time. I seen have 100+ there!

I flew SFO-HNL last month and was 101st on standby. HNL can be a nonrev black hole!



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

I know the seat maps don't mean anything, but it looks like the load tonight and the load for tomorrow are empty. It looks like most of tonight's BF cabin is upgrades and there are only four people booked in it tomorrow. Does anyone actually have any insight as to how bookings have been?

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Well . . . we (Baltimore & DC) have all the Ghanaians

Doesn't New York have a very large Ghanaian population as well?



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7631 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15):

So I guess the 777 stays on the ground all day long in LOS? That's a long downtime for CO. I say CO because we know that UA/CO does not swap PW and GE equipment. That's a long time for the 777 to stay on the ground when CO utilizes their 777 fleet to the max.

Although I highly doubt it will happen, the 10h ground time at LOS is more than enough to add a LOS-LAD tag, and we know from the SonAir/Atlas IAH-LAD Houston Express flights that there is a great deal of traffic between the two cities.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 17):
Does anyone actually have any insight as to how bookings have been?

Looks like it has started off a bit slow with the first flight.

I notice in December it looks as if it picked a little early in the month.

The Chronicle had an article about it today or yesterday ( wednesday ) in the business section.

I would have to imagine sales has actively been promoting it to the energy community here around town.


User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Thread starter):

So why does Africa and other nations EXCEPT Asia get the new config? I see all the pics on A.net and they show Tokyo bound 777's all having the older config rather than the new.



J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
User currently offlinerobo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 21):
So why does Africa and other nations EXCEPT Asia get the new config? I see all the pics on A.net and they show Tokyo bound 777's all having the older config rather than the new.

All of CO 777 have the same configuration now, they have for quite some time. They all seat 50/226.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Do we think going forward that if this route "takes off" which I am sure it will that they may change to a three class T7 with F? Seems like one of those routes with lots of $$$ that could warrant it.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2069 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 23):
Do we think going forward that if this route "takes off" which I am sure it will that they may change to a three class T7 with F? Seems like one of those routes with lots of $$$ that could warrant it.

This route is brand new. It is too early to talk about a 3 class ship. Maybe but maybe not. I am sure some tried and true markets will be higher priority.

I imagine DL's ATL flight will be effected by this.

[Edited 2011-11-17 03:23:57]

Even though CO is now really UA, it's nice to see CO finally add an African destination. It is long overdue for them to join this club.


[Edited 2011-11-17 03:26:27]

25 klwright69 : Too bad the inaugural is 1.5 hours late!
26 jfk777 : IT has to stay a long time in Lagos because its an all night flight back to Houston. Who wants to arrive in Houston at 2:00AM. Haven't checked the sc
27 United787 : Is arriving at 5:25 AM much better? Why couldn't it do: 1705-1140 IAH-LOS 1340-1925 LOS-IAH And then the downtime is in IAH and then it could do some
28 elmothehobo : You don't lose an entire day traveling and there are far more available connections. It's worth it if they can justify the additional revenue generat
29 TOMMY767 : IIRC I think CO applied for EWR-LOS a few years ago and decided not to operate it and/or got shot down by the DOT.
30 UA191 : Only 59 rev pax for the flight tonite. The non-revs should have no problem. Hope this route lasts!
31 kgaiflyer : Yes -- and for that matter there are several other cities -- including NYC -- that have large Nigerian populations. But there was a reason why Ghana
32 sq_ek_freak : Simple...a whole day of work or connections ahead!
33 polot : I believe the Nigerian government shot that one down. I think it was when there was a disagreement between the US and Nigerian government over whethe
34 klwright69 : Initial flights are no measure of future success. Routes are long term investments. I flew CO on IAH-BOG during the first couple weeks it started. Th
35 UAL747 : So is it safe to say that CO is using two GE powered 777's on this flight? If so, where did they come from? I'm pretty sure one came from the not-star
36 etops1 : The flight is wide open tonight . There is a total of 196 seats open with 1 person listed as positive space and 16 non revenue passengers listed . Thi
37 klwright69 : So for tonight's inaugural flight back to IAH from LOS, and how many are booked on that one. I wonder when the crew arrived to fly that flight, and ho
38 Post contains images CODCAIAH : So much shorter!
39 klwright69 : So DL goes from ATL to LOS, and CO/UA from IAH to LOS. What other nonstops are there to LOS. Oh yes, and Arik Airways from JFK.
40 CO777DAL : I would really like to go, but looked at the Visa process and said screw it. Also you have to get shots. I would just go and come back as I heard enou
41 klwright69 : And the inaugural is about 2.5 hour late returning from LOS.. Here's something interesting... Go to the "check flight status" on CO's website. Enter t
42 Pbb152 : LOS is the IATA code for Lagos.
43 LV : And I noticed on DL's facebook page this morning it is now offering triple miles for trips to LOS booked from IAH, MSY and Lafayette, LA. Guess DL is
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