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OAG Changes 11/18/2011: AA/CO/DL/FL/US/VX  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8100 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated

period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT

compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline

changed the frequency between the two airports to add from

4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months

were changed. I only list one direction, although it is

possible the listed change is only one way. It is too

difficult to average the two directions. I assume the

change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed,

divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In

most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of

international service or markets with low frequency,

fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7,

it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR

LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This

report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing

schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their

schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their

schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their

schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half

frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A

FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load

their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of

this report. When their schedule is extended it will show

as new service because there was no previous schedule to

compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid

comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too

complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS

DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but

it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in

service that is large enough to be listed, but through

rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with

an "*".

Talk about bad timing!
*4O SAT-MEX DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.8 MAR 0>1.7 APR

0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7

9K OWB-STL DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3

JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3

AA DFW-AGU JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>1.8 MAR 2>1.7
AA DFW-BJX FEB 4>3
AA DFW-SCL JAN 1.3>1.4

AB JFK-BER JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
AB JFK-TXL JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0
AB LAX-BER JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4
AB LAX-TXL JUN 0.4>0.0 JUL 0.4>0
AB MIA-BER JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4
AB MIA-TXL JUN 0.4>0.0 JUL 0.4>0

AC PWM-YYZ DEC 1.9>1.5 JAN 1.8>1.6

AF SFO-CDG MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.4>2 JUL 1.4>2

Season extension I think
*AS SAN-PVR APR 0.1>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4

AZ BOS-FCO APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.8
AZ EWR-FCO MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.9
AZ JFK-FCO APR 1.7>1.9 MAY 1.7>1.8 JUN 1.7>1.9 JUL 1.7>1.9
AZ LAX-FCO APR 0.4>0
AZ ORD-FCO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0.7 JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL

0.8>0.7

B6 BOS-RDU MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
B6 BOS-SJC APR 0>1.0
B6 JFK-LAX JUL 5>6
B6 JFK-MBJ APR 1.6>1.7
B6 JFK-PUJ APR 1.3>1.5
B6 JFK-SFO JUL 3>4

BW FLL-POS JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0 MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0.9>1.0

MAY 0.9>1.0 JUN 0.8>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0
BW MIA-KIN DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR

0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

CO EWR-DUB MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
CO EWR-MAN MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
CO IAD-DUB JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
CO IAD-MAN MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
CO LAX-DGO APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.2
CO ORD-RSW MAR 0>1.0

DL ATL-ABQ MAR 3>2
DL ATL-BTR MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-ECP MAR 8>9
DL ATL-LAS MAR 9>8
DL ATL-MGM MAR 10>9
DL ATL-MHT MAR 2.0>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
DL ATL-MOB MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-MXP APR 0.6>0.7 JUN 0.5>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7
DL ATL-MYR MAR 5>6
DL ATL-ORD MAR 11>12 APR 11>12 MAY 11>12 JUN 11>12 JUL

11>12
DL ATL-PHF MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL ATL-PUJ APR 1.7>1.4 MAY 1.1>1.3
DL ATL-STT MAY 1.1>1.9
DL DTW-BGR MAY 1.0>2
DL DTW-CLT MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL DTW-PHX MAR 5>4
DL DTW-SBN MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
DL DTW-SFO MAR 4>3
DL GUM-KIX JUL 1.0>1.4
DL JFK-AUS JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
DL JFK-FLL MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
DL JFK-JAX JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
DL JFK-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
DL JFK-MKE JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
DL JFK-MSY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
DL JFK-SDQ MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL

1.0>2
DL JFK-SJU MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
*DL JFK-SNN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
DL JFK-STI MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL

1.0>2
DL LGA-ATL MAR 16>15 MAY 16>15
*DL LGA-NAS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0
DL MSP-RDU MAR 5>4
DL MSP-SJC MAR 2.0>1.0
DL MSP-SMF MAR 2.0>1.0
DL SEA-AMS MAY 2>1.0
*DL SEA-CDG MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0
Response to US
*DL SLC-CLT MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0

EI IAD-IND JAN 0.8>0

F9 DEN-CZM MAR 0.5>0.2

FL FLL-SJU MAY 0>0.5

FL changes below are vs. 2011 same months
FL ATL-ACY MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
FL ATL-AUA MAY 0.4>1.0
FL ATL-BMI JUN 3>0.1 JUL 3>0
FL ATL-DAY JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
FL ATL-DEN MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
FL ATL-DFW MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0
FL ATL-HOU MAY 7>4 JUN 7>4 JUL 7>4
FL ATL-IAD MAY 4>3 JUN 4>0.1 JUL 4>0
FL ATL-LAS MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
FL ATL-LAX MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
FL ATL-MDW MAY 7>4 JUN 8>5 JUL 8>5
FL ATL-NAS JUN 1.1>1.0 JUL 1.2>1.0
FL ATL-PHF MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
FL ATL-PHL JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
FL ATL-SEA JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
FL ATL-SFO MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
FL ATL-SJU JUL 3>2
FL BKG-HOU JUL 0.6>0.4
FL BOS-PHF MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
FL BOS-RSW MAY 0.2>1.0
FL BWI-ATL MAY 7>4 JUN 7>5 JUL 7>5
FL BWI-AUA MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
FL BWI-BOS MAY 7>4 JUN 7>4 JUL 7>4
FL BWI-CLT MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3
FL BWI-LAX MAY 1.9>0
FL BWI-MIA JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0
FL BWI-MSY MAY 1.0>0
FL BWI-NAS MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.6>1.0
FL BWI-SEA MAY 1.0>0
FL BWI-SRQ JUL 0.3>0.1
FL CAK-DEN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
FL DAY-DEN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
FL DAY-TPA MAY 0.2>0.1
FL DEN-LGA JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.9
FL FLL-SJU MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
FL GRR-TPA JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1
FL IND-RSW MAY 3>0.3
FL LGA-PHF MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
FL MCO-ABE JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
FL MCO-ATL JUN 12>10 JUL 12>10
FL MCO-BMI MAY 0.6>0.3
FL MCO-BOS MAY 1.1>2 JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0
FL MCO-BWI MAY 6>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
FL MCO-CMH MAY 1.1>0
FL MCO-CRW JUN 0.4>0.1
FL MCO-DAY JUN 1.7>1.1 JUL 2>1.1
FL MCO-DFW MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 2>0
FL MCO-LGA MAY 0.3>2 JUN 0.3>0.1
FL MCO-MBJ MAY 0.7>1.0
FL MCO-MDT JUN 1.5>1.1 JUL 1.6>1.1
FL MCO-MDW MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
FL MCO-PHF MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
FL MCO-PHL MAY 4>3
FL MCO-PIT MAY 3>2
FL MCO-STL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
FL MCO-TYS MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 1.0>0
FL MDW-RSW MAY 1.2>0
FL MKE-BOS JUL 3>4
FL MKE-BWI MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
FL MKE-CAK JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
FL MKE-MCO JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
FL MKE-MSP MAY 3>4
FL MKE-MSY JUN 0.3>0.1
FL MKE-PHX MAY 1.1>2 JUN 0.3>2 JUL 0>2
FL MKE-SRQ MAY 0.2>0.1

G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.2>0.0
G4 CID-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 LAS-MOT MAY 0.8>0.6 JUN 0.9>0.6 JUL 0.8>0.6

*HA HNL-JFK JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
HA HNL-KOA DEC 16>17
HA HNL-OGG JAN 24>25
HA KOA-HNL DEC 16>17
HA OGG-HNL JAN 25>26

KE GUM-KIX MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0
KE LAX-NRT DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR

0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

LA MIA-BOG FEB 0.4>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0

*LH EWR-FRA MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL

2>1.0
LH IAD-FRA APR 1.0>1.3
LH PHL-FRA APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7

LI SJU-ANU FEB 1.6>1.8 MAR 1.6>1.7 APR 1.6>1.7 MAY 1.5>1.7

JUN 1.6>1.8 JUL 1.5>1.7
LI SJU-SVD JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY

1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

LW BNA-OWB DEC 3>0.4 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY

3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

M5 BFI-ESD DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY

0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
M5 BFI-FRD DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0 FEB 4>1.0 MAR 3>1.0 APR

3>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0
M5 FBS-LKE APR 1.9>4 MAY 1.8>4 JUN 1.9>4 JUL 1.8>4

NH HNL-HND MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

OZ SEA-ICN APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7

PD BOS-YTZ APR 5>6

S4 BOS-LIS APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3
S4 BOS-PDL JUN 0.3>0.5 JUL 0.3>0.7

SE LAS-CDG JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1

SY DFW-CUN APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>1.5
SY DFW-CZM JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6
SY DFW-MBJ JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
SY DFW-MSP JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8
SY DFW-PUJ JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5
SY MSP-CUN MAY 0>0.3

TCX LAS-MAN JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0
TCX SFB-GLA APR 0.1>0 JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.2>0
TCX SFB-LGW JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
TCX SFB-MAN MAY 0>0.2

TS FLL-YUL JAN 1.2>0.9 FEB 1.3>1.0 MAR 1.2>1.0

US CLT-BDA JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8
US CLT-GCM MAY 1.0>1.2
US CLT-SXM MAY 1.1>1.3 JUN 1.2>1.3 JUL 1.1>1.3
US DCA-HHH JAN 0.1>0.0 FEB 0.2>0.1
US PHL-AUA JUN 0.7>0.9 JUL 0.7>0.8
US PHL-CUN MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
US PHL-GCM MAY 0.3>0.5
US PHL-GLA MAY 0.7>0.2
US PHL-SXM JUN 0.6>0.8 JUL 0.5>0.7
US PHX-MZT APR 3>1.9 MAY 1.5>1.3 JUN 1.5>1.3 JUL 1.4>1.3
US PHX-PVR MAY 4>3
US PHX-SJD MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4

UX JFK-MAD JAN 0.7>0.2 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0.0

VX JFK-SFO APR 4>5

VX changes below are vs. 2011 same months
VX JFK-SFO MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
VX LAX-ORD MAY 0.5>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
VX ORD-SFO MAY 0.6>3
VX SAN-SFO MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
VX SFO-PVR MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7
VX SFO-SJD MAY 0.8>1.0

WG FLL-YQB JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.2
WG FLL-YUL DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.3
WG FLL-YYZ DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4
WG LAS-YYZ DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2
WG MCO-YOW JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
WG MCO-YYZ DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.8 MAR 0>0.5
WG PIE-YYZ DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2
WG SJU-YYZ JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL ATL-DFW MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0

So help me understand how this works, why is this still showing when FL stopped selling this route a long time ago, and is actually being dropped Nov 21st? Since you're comparing year to year we still continue to see DFW-ATL until 2012 or will it be dropped OAG wise on the next schedule?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL BWI-LAX MAY 1.9>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL BWI-SEA MAY 1.0>0

Your other examples show it extending to July, is this a Miss file for BWI-LAX/SEA because WN just announced BWI-LAX/SEA were being added on the Air Tran side starting in June which does not show on your OAG thing?

We will also add new seasonal AirTran service between Baltimore/Washington and both Seattle-Tacoma and Los Angeles (two daily roundtrips each)

Alex

[Edited 2011-11-16 18:12:19]


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1720 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7921 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-SJC MAR 2.0>1.0
DL MSP-SMF MAR 2.0>1.0

Wow...the pruning of MSP continues. These used to see a minimum 3 daily just a few years ago under a red tail.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-SJC MAR 2.0>1.0
DL MSP-SMF MAR 2.0>1.0

Wow...the pruning of MSP continues. These used to see a minimum 3 daily just a few years ago under a red tail.

For now these appear to be an extension of the seasonal reduction.

MSP-SMF is currently 2x daily MD-90, goes to 6x weekly in Jan-Feb, 1x daily in March, then back to 2x daily in April
MSP-SJC is currently 2x daily MD-90, goes to 1x daily in Dec-March, then goes back to 2x daily in April

Time will tell what happens, but ultimately DL can route the majority of traffic to major destinations over SLC and ATL as well in addition to MSP.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1305 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ LAX-FCO APR 0.4>0

Looks like this route may not be doing too well. Started off as daily year round, then went seasonal, and now the season is getting shorter.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL IND-RSW MAY 3>0.3

That's a big decrease. How often are they running this route in high season?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MKE-MSY JUN 0.3>0.1

Are they even going to operate this route this summer?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.2>0.0

Maybe this one's going seasonal

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
TCX LAS-MAN JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0
TCX SFB-GLA APR 0.1>0 JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.2>0

I thought these had been operating for years? I know VA started LAS-MAN which probably hurt TCX, but I'm surprised SFB-GLA isn't coming back


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Talk about bad timing!
*4O SAT-MEX DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.8 MAR 0>1.7 APR

0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7

I doubt Interjet is very worried at all.

1) 4O has plenty of brand presence in MEX and connectivity to destinations beyond it. FL is completely unknown to Mexicans and WN is only known to those in border areas, not those as far south as MEX.

2) No American LCC has successfully pulled off service to an ethnic/VFR market in Mexico. They do very well getting Americans to the Mexican beach resorts (mostly just SJD, PVR, and the ever-important CUN) but not much else. Let me just say that I think they'd be much more worried with CO/UA starting the route than FL/WN  .

3) SAT is a HUGE market to Mexico.

4) As far I know, MEX is a capacity controlled (slot restricted?) airport. Getting the rights to serve MEX from SAT and SNA will be the easy part for WN. Getting well-timed slots and gate space will likely be the bigger challenge.

5) If I had to guess, I'd say 4O's costs are significantly lower than WN's.

6) 4O gets a major head start. Plenty of time to generate loyalty and establish themselves in the SAT market before WN/FL enters the picture.

7) Assuming a codeshare is in place, WN will probably be routing tons of people through SAT (from their whole network, except the West Coast) en route to MEX. There will probably be many more people flying MDW-SAT-MEX, DAL-SAT-MEX, and HOU-SAT-MEX than SAT-MEX itself.

The caveat here, of course, is that WN's authority to serve the route will be permanent. 4O is using the MX authority and if that carrier ever does restart, they could be forced to terminate this route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AB JFK-BER JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
AB JFK-TXL JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0
AB LAX-BER JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4
AB LAX-TXL JUN 0.4>0.0 JUL 0.4>0
AB MIA-BER JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4
AB MIA-TXL JUN 0.4>0.0 JUL 0.4>0

Service from BER to 3 of AA's 5 hubs. I wonder if we'll see ORD-BER sooner or later?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Season extension I think
*AS SAN-PVR APR 0.1>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4

Wow! AS's new routes from SAN to Hawaii and Mexico really seem to be doing well. I guess it may not be long before we see SAN-KOA/LIH come online after all? Maybe AS will even try for SAN-DCA whenever beyond-perimeter DCA slots become available.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-SJC APR 0>1.0

They seem to be fiddling with this route every other week!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-LAX JUL 5>6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-SFO JUL 3>4

Wow, they are now up to 6x daily on the JFK-LAX route? Here I thought B6 was at a tremendous disadvantage on this sector due to a lack of F offering, but I suppose their superior Y product and a great deal of loyalty on both ends of the route does go a long way! I commend them for making tremendous inroads on these ultra-competitive routes.

Of course, the gains at LAX and SFO could adversely affect service to alternate airports. Let's just hope BUR, LGB, OAK, and SJC have enough of their own traffic to keep supporting their B6 flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW MIA-KIN DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR

0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

I can't believe they ever dropped this in the first place. Now that Air Jamaica's troubles are a thing of the past, let's hope we see some growth out of Jamaica for a change!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO LAX-DGO APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.2

This merger has really been a blessing for UA's LAX hub. It seems all of the Mexican expansion has done well so far, and I wonder if we could see a few more RJ routes to markets like this. After all CO saw such potential that it tried them before, but now that it has UA's FF loyalty and brand power, it should be able to pull them off this time around!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO ORD-RSW MAR 0>1.0

This must mean ORD-RSW gets upgraded to mainline for the busy spring break rush. It wasn't all that long ago that UA was sending 757s on this route - in the dead of summer! The sooner they get UAX off this popular route the better. Has UA finally realized that sending barbie jets to major markets in Florida doesn't cut it?!?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-MXP APR 0.6>0.7 JUN 0.5>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7

Wow, in light of serious transatlantic network cuts this one gets an increase. It must be doing well, although I'm sure the ATI/JV with AZ plays a part in that success.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-PHF MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6

Looks like they are expecting a boost from FL's withdrawal. I wonder if DL will also target other markets losing FL service?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-SNN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0

SNN is already seasonal, and it looks like they've simply shortened the season to peak summer months. Then again, other routes that this happened to were ultimately cut altogether. Hopefully SNN will not share a similar fate! Though, I suppose EI or even AA would step in to fill the ensuing void...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-ATL MAR 16>15 MAY 16>15
*DL LGA-NAS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0

Wow! They are so interested in starting LGA-NAS that they are using a LGA-ATL slot?!? I guess they figure they'll have US's on hand by June, though.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-CDG MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0

Sigh...Another CDG-U.S. route downgraded from AF to DL.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Response to US
*DL SLC-CLT MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0

These types of battles are always fun to watch. 2 carriers fighting over a very marginal route. Recent ones like YYZ-MEM spring to mind  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL LGA-PHF MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MCO-LGA MAY 0.3>2 JUN 0.3>0.1
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL DEN-LGA JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.9

So it seems the FL LGA slot question has been answered. The airline's service to ATL, MKE, and if you can believe it CAK remains unchanged/intact - for now. The slots used for LGA-PHF will temporarily be placed on the LGA-MCO route until LGA-DEN begins.

We are finally beginning to see WN's plan for LGA. They will probably leave LGA-Florida to DL and B6, offering one-stops/connections via BWI and ATL. They may keep LGA-MKE around after all - they simply can't keep sending everyone through MDW. MKE is a perfect Midwestern "reliever hub" for the airline; a great alternative to MDW (where increasing congestion issues have plagued on-time performance) and also STL (operational/capacity constraints at Terminal 2). Plus, by keeping that one going there is always the added benefit of making life difficult for F9!

WN should be able to free up quite a few slots by scaling back the frequency of LGA-ATL and dropping LGA-CAK, and they'll likely pick up 8 from the auction. I imagine the priorities will be:

1) Increase MDW-LGA frequency. I'm sure the O&D (especially business travelers) wants more options. Plus, more flights into MDW = more one-stop and connecting options to the entire Western network.
2) Add STL-LGA. They added it from EWR, and I'm sure they'd like to add it from LGA for similar reasons.
3) Add HOU-LGA. They added it from EWR, and I'm sure they'd like to add it from LGA for similar reasons. The route was apparently so lucrative/important that they had TZ flying it!
4) Add MCI-LGA. Plenty of connectivity beyond MCI, and puts more pressure on F9.
5) Add BNA-LGA. Hopefully they haven't forgotten about their traditional Southern hub!

The only question I have is where they will stash the slots for LGA-DAL. I imagine they could probably hide them in an unnecessarily robust LGA-ATL schedule for now, or do a few LGA-Florida routes for the time being.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*HA HNL-JFK JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0

This is the first new domestic station to come online in a long time. I wish them good luck, though I doubt they'll need it!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-BOG FEB 0.4>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0

Wow! This route is really seeing some major increases, what with NK and now LA boosting frequency. Not to mention B6, which applied for FLL-BOG rights recently.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*LH EWR-FRA MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL

2>1.0

Are they replacing this with a UA/CO flight? Perhaps its a routine JV partner metal shift?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LH PHL-FRA APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7

Wow, another airline struggling at PHL. How can it be that hard to compete against US? Or is the PHL market simply a weak one?

First FL slashed service, then WN. Still no B6 or VX. AF pulled out, and now LH doesn't seem to be faring much better than they did. If PHL isn't careful they'll just have token LCC service (WN and F9) and no foreign tenants other than AC and BA. Shocking from my perspective, but I don't know much about the market.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
S4 BOS-LIS APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3

Interesting, have they flown this before.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY DFW-CUN APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>1.5
SY DFW-CZM JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6
SY DFW-MBJ JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
SY DFW-MSP JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8
SY DFW-PUJ JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5

Quite the boost of LCC service for DFW! In spite of FL leaving they seem to be doing quite well, what with VX, NK, and now this...



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Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-BOG FEB 0.4>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0

The new frequencies on the BOG-MIA route will be operated by LAN Colombia. LAN and its affiliates continue to increase flights into MIA.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6125 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Am I missing something or FL is starting DEN-CAK?

I suppose this means WN will be retaining CAK?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Does UA load their new schedules on a weekly basis? Does anyone know when they do it?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO ORD-RSW MAR 0>1.0

I wonder if this will replace a UA frequency or are the adding frequency...

Looking forward to UA and CO being officially one!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
The only question I have is where they will stash the slots for LGA-DAL. I imagine they could probably hide them in an unnecessarily robust LGA-ATL schedule for now, or do a few LGA-Florida routes for the time being.

I imagine that once Wright goes away, HOU-LGA may be less of a priority.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-CDG MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL

0>1.0

Sigh...Another CDG-U.S. route downgraded from AF to DL.

As noted in the thread about this topic, not all of us consider it a downgrade. This is especially true for the many AS mileage plan members in SEA. AF's partnership with AS is incredibly restrictive and difficult to figure out how you actually earn miles on a coach fare. We know that DL and AS have a strong frequent flier partnership. DL's refurbished 763s are nice too. I think this change is just fine.


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Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PHX MAR 5>4

Hmmm.......isn't March still high season in PHX, especially with baseball spring training? I could understand a summer reduction.


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Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5465 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 8):
Looking forward to UA and CO being officially one!

The SOC [single operating cetificate] was supposed to be in placed 11-11-11 (according to the United-Continental Holdings web site) .

Am I understanding it has not happened?

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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-DUB MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
CO EWR-MAN MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
CO IAD-DUB JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
CO IAD-MAN MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

Good of EWR to share the wealth with IAD  


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I imagine that once Wright goes away, HOU-LGA may be less of a priority.

That's tough to say. AA ran HOU-LGA two or three times daily for many years, with a tag to AUS, which is outside the perimeter. And for HOU-EWR, WN packed 'em in this past summer, with loads in the 80-90% range -- fairly impressive for an entirely new route.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Response to US
*DL SLC-CLT MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

And some people were so convinced that DL would not respond to US encroaching on its SLC fortress hub.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
1) 4O has plenty of brand presence in MEX and connectivity to destinations beyond it. FL is completely unknown to Mexicans and WN is only known to those in border areas, not those as far south as MEX.

I wouldn't underestimate the brand presence of WN among Mexicans who are likely to travel to the U.S.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
2) No American LCC has successfully pulled off service to an ethnic/VFR market in Mexico.

ATA ran MDW-GDL for several years -- even going to twice-daily in 2004. And no American LCC until now has had a comparable market presence in the regions with the densest VFR traffic to Mexico.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Wow, they are now up to 6x daily on the JFK-LAX route? Here I thought B6 was at a tremendous disadvantage on this sector due to a lack of F offering, but I suppose their superior Y product and a great deal of loyalty on both ends of the route does go a long way!

Profits are less important in JFK-LAX & JFK-SFO than keeping VX from making inroads or a profit. Remember: B6 hates VX.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Has UA finally realized that sending barbie jets to major markets in Florida doesn't cut it?!?

RSW isn't really a major market; it's a second- (or third-) tier, highly-seasonal market. RJ's probably are the most appropriate equipment for UA from ORD to RSW for most of the year (mid-April to mid-February, with strategic up-gauges in holiday periods) -- especially if they are willing to let WN & NK have the low-yielding traffic.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
LH PHL-FRA APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7

Wow, another airline struggling at PHL. How can it be that hard to compete against US? Or is the PHL market simply a weak one?

It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 1):
So help me understand how this works, why is this still showing when FL stopped selling this route a long time ago

It shows because FL WAS selling ATL-DFW in May/Jun/Jul 2011, but obviously is not in 2012. See the note above the FL changes:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL changes below are vs. 2011 same months
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-RDU MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
B6 BOS-SJC APR 0>1.0
B6 JFK-LAX JUL 5>6
B6 JFK-MBJ APR 1.6>1.7
B6 JFK-PUJ APR 1.3>1.5
B6 JFK-SFO JUL 3>4

Boy, the two extra FLL-SJU flights B6 announced this week were added on such short notice that they didn't even make the OAG schedule load. They must be taking their cues from Delta.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
That's tough to say. AA ran HOU-LGA two or three times daily for many years, with a tag to AUS, which is outside the perimeter. And for HOU-EWR, WN packed 'em in this past summer, with loads in the 80-90% range -- fairly impressive for an entirely new route.

I agree with all of this. I just think that they might move an HOU frequency to DAL to "fund" that service. It'll be less important, not totally unimportant.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

US really isn't very intergrated with *A, particularly not internationally - does UA codeshare on any of their TATL flights? If I go on united.com and look for BNA-FRA flights, I get all sorts of UA, LH and even AC itineraries. There are no connections in CLT or FRA to be seen.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY DFW-CUN APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>1.5
SY DFW-CZM JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6
SY DFW-MBJ JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
SY DFW-MSP JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8
SY DFW-PUJ JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5

Quite the boost of LCC service for DFW! In spite of FL leaving they seem to be doing quite well, what with VX, NK, and now this...

Other than the DFW-MSP route, these SY flights are part all of the Apple Vacation packages this season for the Dallas-Ft Worth area.

And yes, it is an expansion of LLC service as well at DFW.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Wow, another airline struggling at PHL. How can it be that hard to compete against US? Or is the PHL market simply a weak one?
Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

LH has always been weak at PHL. The flight always operated with a 2-class aircraft (usually a A343), never a 3-class aircraft. I doubt LH will leave PHL, however. I believe LH and BA are the only European carriers left at PHL. SR/LX and AF left.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Quoting rbgso (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PHX MAR 5>4

Hmmm.......isn't March still high season in PHX, especially with baseball spring training? I could understand a summer reduction.

March is part of high season in PHX, although for a lot more reasons than baseball spring training.

That said:
2011: 5 daily flights 738, 757, 757, 757, 753 = ~918 seats
2012: 4 daily flights 757, 753, 753, 753 = ~850 seats

Since DL will be using more 753s, the net reduction is only about 7% of seats in the DTW-PHX market, and may be offset by capacity to other hubs. Plus, this is a US & WN route so the 753 has the lowest CASM in the fleet and offers a lot of Y seats.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LH PHL-FRA APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7

After reading above posts, I guess LH never operated the 744 then.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-AUA JUN 0.7>0.9 JUL 0.7>0.8

I like this idea -- so they're going to 6x weekly then?

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

When did they announce this? Did I miss something here?



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 18):
Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

When did they announce this? Did I miss something here?

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harbinger

2. anything that foreshadows a future event; omen; sign: Frost is a harbinger of winter.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
I just think that they might move an HOU frequency to DAL to "fund" that service. It'll be less important, not totally unimportant.

I'd say it's more likely that they'd "fund" DAL-LGA from places like STL/BNA/MKE/BWI first.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17443 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
I wouldn't underestimate the brand presence of WN among Mexicans who are likely to travel to the U.S.

Perhaps, but a lot of Mexicans still buy tickets offline, where WN is virtually unknown, particularly offshore. This is really a watershed moment for WN, between selling outside of their normal distribution channels, and competing with carriers whose costs are much lower.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
I can't believe they ever dropped this in the first place. Now that Air Jamaica's troubles are a thing of the past, let's hope we see some growth out of Jamaica for a change!

MIA was *terrible* for JM--load were rarely above the 40s.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
I'd say it's more likely that they'd "fund" DAL-LGA from places like STL/BNA/MKE/BWI first.

I could see them cutting BWI-LGA altogether. With ATL, MDW and likely one or more of MKE/BNA/STL, it's all but irrelevant.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 1):
So help me understand how this works, why is this still showing when FL stopped selling this route a long time ago, and is actually being dropped Nov 21st? Since you're comparing year to year we still continue to see DFW-ATL until 2012 or will it be dropped OAG wise on the next schedule?
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL changes below are vs. 2011 same months

This is kind of explained above in the thread notes, but most carriers publish a 330 day schedule. Here I look at the next 7 months or so. That works well in most cases because airlines are not so on the ball that when they publish the schedule 330 days early it is anything other than a placeholder. So, when they edit the selling schedule later the edits appear in this report. The problem is that the LCCs do not publish a 330 day schedule, so they do not follow the same philosophy of loading a "core" schedule and then editing it. They load a final schedule at 180 days or less and attempt to never edit it. B6 and FL and F9 have traditionally done some edits as well. So, when one of these carriers moves up their schedule to include another month I can't just show their "edits" because every route goes from 0 departures to whatever the correct number is. That means it isn't usable to zero in on changes. Thus, that leaves two options. I can compare to the prior month which is problematic because the seasons change and a route may be deleted because it is simply seasonal. I can also compare to the prior year and in that scenario seasonal variances do not appear, but every change executed since the prior year appears. In this case I did the latter.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 1):
Your other examples show it extending to July, is this a Miss file for BWI-LAX/SEA because WN just announced BWI-LAX/SEA were being added on the Air Tran side starting in June which does not show on your OAG thing?

The report worked correctly because FL announced those routes as if they were new and they are not. FL flew them last year, so they don't appear unless the frequency changed.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
That's a big decrease. How often are they running this route in high season?

It's all messy because flights are moving between WN and FL. I think they had 4 in peak. We'll have to wait for the new WN schedule load to see what really happened.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Talk about bad timing!
*4O SAT-MEX DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.8 MAR 0>1.7 APR

0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7

I doubt Interjet is very worried at all.

1) 4O has plenty of brand presence in MEX and connectivity to destinations beyond it. FL is completely unknown to Mexicans and WN is only known to those in border areas, not those as far south as MEX.

It may be that they knew WN was coming and moved to block them. If so, it's good to see somebody challenging WN.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Wow! AS's new routes from SAN to Hawaii and Mexico really seem to be doing well. I guess it may not be long before we see SAN-KOA/LIH come online after all? Maybe AS will even try for SAN-DCA whenever beyond-perimeter DCA slots become available.

Good possibilities.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-MXP APR 0.6>0.7 JUN 0.5>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7

Wow, in light of serious transatlantic network cuts this one gets an increase. It must be doing well, although I'm sure the ATI/JV with AZ plays a part in that success.

With FIAT buying Chrysler, I think they are getting a lot more DTW connect traffic in J.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
These types of battles are always fun to watch. 2 carriers fighting over a very marginal route. Recent ones like YYZ-MEM spring to mind  .

You know the economy is getting better when the airlines can afford to p|ss their money away on these kinds of lose-lose battles.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
We are finally beginning to see WN's plan for LGA. They will probably leave LGA-Florida to DL and B6, offering one-stops/connections via BWI and ATL. They may keep LGA-MKE around after all - they simply can't keep sending everyone through MDW. MKE is a perfect Midwestern "reliever hub" for the airline; a great alternative to MDW (where increasing congestion issues have plagued on-time performance) and also STL (operational/capacity constraints at Terminal 2). Plus, by keeping that one going there is always the added benefit of making life difficult for F9!

I think they only stay in MKE LGA until they are finished burying F9 under mountains of seats.

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):

Am I missing something or FL is starting DEN-CAK?

I suppose this means WN will be retaining CAK?


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"

Yes, it has been discussed. I agree it is great for WN in CAK, bad for F9 in CAK, and bad for F9 in general. OTOH if don't get this code share working it will be disastrous.

Quoting United787 (Reply 8):
Does UA load their new schedules on a weekly basis? Does anyone know when they do it?

It's random or on demand.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
LH PHL-FRA APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7

Wow, another airline struggling at PHL. How can it be that hard to compete against US? Or is the PHL market simply a weak one?

It may also be a harbinger of US leaving Star Alliance.

Interesting comment. AA's pilot offer which mentioned a code share with US also seems to lean what way.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
Boy, the two extra FLL-SJU flights B6 announced this week were added on such short notice that they didn't even make the OAG schedule load. They must be taking their cues from Delta.

We were just debating whether B6 would respond to DL in another thread. NK must be saying GOOD GRIEF.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting rbgso (Reply 11):
Hmmm.......isn't March still high season in PHX, especially with baseball spring training? I could understand a summer reduction.

Don't look too much into it. There will be adds and reducations across the system in the coming months due to how they're going towards rotating parts of the fleet.



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OAG Changes 1/14/2011: AA/CO/DL/UA (DEN-LHR Gone) posted Tue Jan 11 2011 07:20:48 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/26/2010: AA/AS/CO/DL/NK/UA/WN posted Wed Nov 24 2010 07:53:51 by enilria