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Plane Crash In AR, Two Coaches From OSU Killed  
User currently offlinegoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17863 times:

I just saw this on Yahoo and didn't see this anywhere on A.Net - Very sad. RIP for all souls involved.
http://news.yahoo.com/okla-st-womens...die-ark-plane-crash-142844897.html

[Edited 2011-11-18 07:00:49]

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User currently offlinebcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17619 times:

So very sad. It's hard to imagine that, for lack of a better term, lightning can strike twice. Eerily similar to the crash in 2001 as part of the OSU men's team was on its way back to Stillwater after playing CU in Boulder.

User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17471 times:

Looks like the aircraft was a Piper PA-28. Seems like a really small aircraft to be flying in on a recruiting trip for such a large university. I thought most Div 1-A recruiting trips are by commercial aircraft and the other, more short-range trips are done via car.

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17363 times:

I tried to write this in a previous post, but was deleted.

As a result of the 2001 crash that involved 1 of 3 planes carrying players, coaches, and media personnel home from Colorado, the University now has a policy that they charter only commercial aircraft to fly players and personnel involved with the game out of state. Usually it's an MD-80 chartered from AA that flies up from DFW to Stillwater and returns to Stillwater before returning to DFW. My sister was on the OSU pom/cheerleading team from 2003-2006 and I always asked her about the aircraft they flew on.

College basketball recruiting often doesn't require the lift that commercial aircraft have, and often times, private donors will offer the use of their personal planes for such things, where it might be cost prohibitive otherwise.

Another sad day for the Cowboys.

UAL


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17291 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 2):
I thought most Div 1-A recruiting trips are by commercial aircraft and the other, more short-range trips are done via car.

Commercial air would require a two day trip minimum. Driving would be at least 10-11 hours.

Flying would be about 5 hours flight time in a PA-28.

Many colleges use small aircraft for trips in that range - 250 to 500 miles.


User currently offlinepackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17111 times:

We have a King Air for our short trips (Iowa State). I'm just the cheerleading coach, so I don't use it, but I live next to Ames Municipal and it's around alot.






Things that fly, Girls and Planes...
User currently offlinederridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17004 times:

Oklahoma State also utilizes fractionally owned aircraft through Executive Airshare for coaches/administrators when the distance and lift requirements dictate the need for light jet or King Air. Many times coaches on short hops like this one will utilize donated plane time or charter smaller/less expensive aircraft, particularly in sports where the budgets are tighter.

It's a very surreal day here in Stillwater, as Coach Budke and Coach Serna were very close to many in the community. My prayers and condolences to their families.


User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16854 times:

Very sad day for OSU and sports fans everywhere.

How much would it cost to charter a NetJet or similar for these types of special trips? With so many universities in isolated locations, it seems like athletic departments would be ideally suited for fractional jets.

I know that many college basketball programs charter E145 or CRJ equipment for road trips that are difficult to reach using commercial transportation. My Washington Huskies rarely charter for basketball (I've only seen charters for NCAA tournament games on the East Coast), but Seattle has nonstop service to every PAC-12 rival's nearest commercial airport and the UW doesn't like to schedule nonconference games that are not easy to get to.


User currently offlinederridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16753 times:

When team travel is involved, it is either a Continental 738 or ExpressJet 145, depending on need. When no student athletes are involved, then smaller charter/fractional aircraft are used.

User currently offlinederridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16709 times:

Aircraft confirmed to be N7746W, a 1964 built PA 28-180 Cherokee

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16592 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 2):
I thought most Div 1-A recruiting trips are by commercial aircraft and the other, more short-range trips are done via car.

I can't speak specifically to OSU, but I worked at COU near the University of Missouri for several years. I very rarely saw coaches of any sport or gender on recruiting trips arrive by aircraft. I do remember then Illinois football coach Lou Tepper show up once in a Navajo. I remember because he locked the keys in his rental car before he left and had to borrow mine so he wouldn't be late to his recruiting visit.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
the University now has a policy that they charter only commercial aircraft to fly players and personnel involved with the game out of state. Usually it's an MD-80 chartered from AA that flies up from DFW to Stillwater and returns to Stillwater before returning to DFW. My sister was on the OSU pom/cheerleading team from 2003-2006 and I always asked her about the aircraft they flew on.

Is that policy specific to the men's football and basketball programs? An MD-80 for the men's basketball team seems overkill. Typically, football teams would arrive via commercial airliner (e.g., 727, MD-80) whereas the men's basketball teams of all the Big 12 schools I can think of other than KU would come in a number of small twins. If I remember right OSU used to have a Beach 18 some of the basketball team would arrive in.

You could always tell the starters by whether or not they got to ride in the nicest plane.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):

Many colleges use small aircraft for trips in that range - 250 to 500 miles.

In 7 years I never saw any of the women's basketball teams arrive in a chartered aircraft. Occasionally, the gymnastics team would fly in one of our KA-350's or in a plane loaned by an alum. In general, participants/coaches in women's Big 12 sports rarely flew (at least into COU). If I was to make a guess why she was recruiting in a PA-28, it would be funding related and what her program could afford.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16357 times:

Quoting derridd (Reply 9):
Aircraft confirmed to be N7746W, a 1964 built PA 28-180 Cherokee

Guessing this may have been an alum donating the plane and maybe he was the pilot.

I know Purdue has a king air or two and a small jet. Beechcraft jet maybe.
Bad weather and a old PA-28. Just another general aviation accident we have grown too used to seeing.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
Bad weather and a old PA-28. Just another general aviation accident we have grown too used to seeing.

The article stated the weather was clear on Thursday near the crash site.


User currently offlinemjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14347 times:

Recently the head and asst. OSU men's basketball coaches were here in KSRQ and they were actually in a jet. I've also seen Clemson here and they had a King Air.

Very sad to hear, anyone know what factors could have been at fault?



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

I have tons of time instructing in PA-28's including the 180. The PA-28 series aircraft is one of the most forgiving around. You can manhandle it all day long and it won't bite. It has a pretty good glide to it too. You really gotta work to get in trouble in one of those. The original story said the aircraft just spiraled out of control.

I wonder if there was a control system problem? Or could it have been a pilot incapacitation problem? The guy flying was pretty old.


User currently offlinederridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13309 times:

Yes, the pilot was in his 80's. However, his wife is also a pilot and was on board as well. So both front seats were likely filled with experienced pilots. Incapacitation of one of them due to medical/other issues shouldn't have, by itself, caused such a catastrophe. Not to say it's impossible, but unlikely I guess.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12380 times:

Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 12):
The article stated the weather was clear on Thursday near the crash site.

Yes, you are right, weather was clear but temps were in the 30s-40s.
The pilot was 82 years old and a former state senator in Oklahoma. Reports say they heard some engine trouble and than saw the plane nose dive into the ground. Will probably be months until we know anythin.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Wonder if it could have been carbon monoxide poisoning? Yes, there could have been an engine problem but all you have to do is set up for best glide and find a place to set down. In a PA-28 that's really easy to do.

I found the heaters in the Cherokee series to be somewhat ineffective. I remember taking a trip to DEN in one years ago in the winter time on a nice clear winter day. Up at 8,000 ft the heater kept the front seat area around 90F and just three feet behind us the passengers back there were freezing. When they spoke you could see the frost from their breath!


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1554 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
The pilot was 82 years

Press reports now say he was 84


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2001 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
Wonder if it could have been carbon monoxide poisoning? Yes, there could have been an engine problem but all you have to do is set up for best glide and find a place to set down. In a PA-28 that's really easy to do.

I found the heaters in the Cherokee series to be somewhat ineffective. I remember taking a trip to DEN in one years ago in the winter time on a nice clear winter day. Up at 8,000 ft the heater kept the front seat area around 90F and just three feet behind us the passengers back there were freezing. When they spoke you could see the frost from their breath!

If the aircraft was at or over its maximum gross weight, gliding might not be too easy. Do you think an 84 or 82 year old man's reflexes are as quick as someone 65?


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