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What Would A Merged AA And US Look Like?  
User currently offlinecjpmaestro From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18887 times:

The potential for AMR to head into bankruptcy continues to be all over the news and more prominent in each story is how a merger with US Airways would be good (like UA/CO and Delta). After talks with pilots collapsed and the AMR board is now not meeting for the rest of the year, it does appear that this line of thinking could become reality. I know that it takes two to tango and US would have to want to be involved and they are doing well right now without the problems of AMR, but what would a merged AA and US look like?

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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18807 times:

Well from a visual standpoint, the basic US livery with American titles and the AA logo on the tail would look striking.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18784 times:

A labor nightmare.

AA and US have the worst labor relations of any airline. Putting the two together without some sort of agreement between the two would be crazy.

That being said, I am 100% certain that US (or simply just Doug Parker) will make a play for AA at some point because of how weak AA is.



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User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

US still hasn't merged all labor from the US/HP merger. Imagine how disgruntled pilots would be if US attempted to buy or merge with AA. There would be absolutely zero chance of any pilot agreement.

Route structure could be ok though. Dominant up and down the east coast with hubs in JFK/LGA/DCA/CLT/MIA, Midwest is covered with DFW/ORD, west is weak with only PHX and a smaller presence in LAX.

This would be a much better merger if they could find a way to include AS in it. That would solidify a west coast operation to include a true coast to coast domination.

You could re-establish international hubs to include most Asia flying out of SEA/ORD/LAX, Europe out of JFK/ORD/CLT. Expand to africa out of CLT/MIA, and south america out of LAX/DFW/MIA. In this scenario, you would turn PHX into a mostly domestic hub, and have just your primary trunk international routes to europe and asia out of DFW. Cost wise this would make sense, but in reality it would never happen.

Wingnut



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User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

Airline Name: American Airlines
Livery: Current US Airways
Airline Alliance: One World
CEO: Doug Parker
Headquarters: Fort Worth, TX
Hubs: DFW, CLT, ORD, PHL, MIA, PHX, LAX, JFK
Focus Cities: BOS, LGA, DCA,
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 738, 752, 762, 763, 787, 772, 773


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18483 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):
Airline Name: American Airlines
Livery: Current US Airways
Airline Alliance: One World

And the Cactus callsign would disappear - leaving American


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18454 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
And the Cactus callsign would disappear - leaving American

That would be a shame if that happened, I think Cactus is a brilliant callsign.



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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6729 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18258 times:

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 3):
US still hasn't merged all labor from the US/HP merger. Imagine how disgruntled pilots would be if US attempted to buy or merge with AA. There would be absolutely zero chance of any pilot agreement.

How exactly is this hurting the current version of US, they seem to be doing fine letting the unions fight it out between themselves while the company continues on as if nothing is taking place.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18239 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 738, 752, 762, 763, 787, 772, 773

I would not mention the 752 and the 762 because those are getting old and they are on the way out. By the time the merger takes place, if it ever does, the retirement of these aircraft will be near. If you mention the 752 and 762 then why not mentioning the Super 80? And I would add also the A320NEO Series to the above list.
I think also that you can mention the CRJ and E-Jets for regional routes or low capacity medium haul routes.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18154 times:

I think an AA/US merger would be an incredible challenge for all involved. However, if the carrier were to overcome all the labor/network issues, I think a renewed and larger AA (as the merged carrier would obviously be named) would have great coverage of many major markets. Hubs at DFW, CLT, MIA, ORD, PHL, and PHX would be a solid domestic network. I think in this merger scenario the LAX and JFK hubs would be diminished and reduced to focus city status. Firstly, PHL can serve virtually the same role as AA's JFK hub does now with considerably less competition and much greater connectivity. JFK could still continue to serve the large O&D markets as is, such as LHR, CDG, GRU, and NRT. The same with LAX. LAX could continue to have service to the major O&D markets like NRT, LHR, and PVG, as well as the large domestic markets, but PHX could serve as a way to bolster AA's Western presence, which has been paltry since the failed takeovers of AirCal and Reno Air. Of course, WN's presence in PHX presents a formidable challenge as well, due to the low yields and heavy competition. The biggest issue that an AA/US merger does not overcome is the carrier's lack of a network in the Asia/Pacific region, and it provides no opportunities for growth in the region. PHX is not well located for an Asian connecting hub. Sure, a PHX-NRT could easily be done, but PHX is still too far south to effectively serve most of the region. Still, ATL is also too far south to serve as a good European connecting hub, but the bulk of connectivity that DL provides there takes care of that issue. PHX would need to become a far larger hub with ample connections to serve as a good Asian connecting point. LAX is also incapable of becoming an Asia/Pacific connecting hub in the same way UA uses SFO, simply due to the lack of connectivity and heavy competition by carriers with far better service and lower costs. Overall, it would be an interesting merger, nonetheless. How effective it would be, however, is a completely different story.

Jeremy


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18124 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):

To add, doesn't US have A350 on order?



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18002 times:

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 3):
Dominant up and down the east coast with hubs in JFK/LGA/DCA/CLT/MIA, Midwest is covered with DFW/ORD, west is weak with only PHX and a smaller presence in LAX.

I would not consider LGA as a hub.
What do you mean by a small presence in LAX? AA does not have a small presence in LAX


User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

The major problem, as pointed out above, is labor relations. US already had poisonous relations between labor/managment. I can't see AA's own situation helping.

That said, I think if the labor relations could be overcome, then they would be an incredibly strong player. They would have a massive reach into Europe, PHL could become a JFK like hub (keeping NYC for O/D and PHL as a continue on point, same as MIA).

WIth the extra aircraft that could come from the merger, a great reach in to Asia would be possible.


Keep the AA livery, Oneworld Alliance, and upgrade of US aircraft.

Dave



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17751 times:

I see it happening, although I see it as less optimal compared to UA/CO and DL/NW. Neither AA or US have a large Asia network, which isn't required but preferable. I think in the NE they'd be a little too cluttered with PHL JFK LGA and DCA. Some say they'd ditch NYC for PHL but with the sheer number of corporate contacts AA has I don't see it happening. And I won't even mention labor. Again, I see it happening, but IMO, UA and DL would definitely be ahead of AA/US


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17724 times:

1.AA livery and name stays, too much brand recognition to throw away.

2. Airbus mainly fleet, Doug is in bed with Airbus and for good reason, Airbus has been a good OEM for US.

3. Headquaters would be DFW

4. Get AA while in bankruptcy, let the judge dicate the contracts, tell US East we are going to arbitration, if the pilots do not accept the ruling let them be in contempt of court.

Let me preface this by stating I hope AA can be a stand alone entity but if they go into BK all bets are off and I wouldn't blame Parker for making a move on AA. It would be a better fit than DL.


User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17507 times:

Under such a scenario, CLT would probably suffer the most. Yes, it could still continue to be a hub, but on a much smaller scale. The current level of 600+ flights/day would be counter-productive and unsustainable under such a merger. Look for CLT to be scaled back to 250-300 flights/day and its status as an international hub to go away in favor of PHL/DFW/MIA.

PHX would probably suffer some as well, but not at the drastic level that CLT would. The focus would be on getting more local O&D traffic than connecting traffic.

As mentioned earlier, JFK could focus on its valuable O&D base, while PHL could serve as the primary international East Coast hub with less competition and far better connectivity.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17333 times:

A merged USAirways will have these hubs . ORD,PHL,MIA,DFW, and CLT. JFK,LAX,PHX, and STL will go away as hub status . Doug Parker will become CEO and Scott Kirby will be president . The name will remain American . The livery will remain the current AA livery. The rolling hub thingy being done in DFW will go away . MD80's will also go away . I am sure some challenges will arise but they can be taken care of .This is something that WILL be done wether we like it or not if it has robe done . Wall street actually in my opiñion wants this truncation to occur . I also believe that AA and US are in talks with each other about a transaction . It's just a matter of time . This is clearly all my opiñion .

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17163 times:

What I feel pretty certain about is if these two pair up, the HQ will be in DFW and Doug Parker will be running the show.

For the grey area, DFW, MIA, CLT, and ORD would be hubs and I think PHX would shrink some. PHL would probably have an international focus, but may not be as much of a domestic connector. International routes at LAX and JFK would be kept.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 17083 times:

Its quite amusing how everyone thinks US will just swoop in and buy AA on the cheap. You all seem to forget that AA has some powerful allies to counter any US bid. I could see a bid by TPG, in cooperation with Citi, IAG, GE, and Boeing. Boeing definitely wouldn't want the pro-Airbus management at US taking over AA.

Airbus would be caught in the middle. Do they support their present customer US, and risk some alienation by AA if US is is outbid? Alternatively they could play it safe by supporting AA and offer US some consolation deal.

Then there's govt issue. Since AA has a big presence in all the big states in the US (CA,TX,FL,NY,IL) you can bet management and labor will be pressing their congressional reps to oppose this merger. Both will probably state how this merger reduces choice for consumers, but AA labor won't want to have to compete with two(HP,US) additional labor groups, and management just wants to retain control.

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):
Livery: Current US Airways

Give me a break!!! That's utter nonsense.

The US brand is worth far less than AA's and is less known worldwide, especially in Latin America. Almost everything regarding US' branding will disappear in such a merger. It would cost far less to change from US' branding than AA's.

Quoting davescj (Reply 12):
PHL could become a JFK like hub (keeping NYC for O/D and PHL as a continue on point,

Any drawdown of JFK would be stupid on AA's part as partners rely n AA's presence in JFK for ongoing transfers. If anything PHL will be redeuced to a domestic hub, but retain any O/D that can be supported.

Quoting davescj (Reply 12):
Keep the AA livery, Oneworld Alliance

There's no other choice. Under no circumstance wold the DOJ allow AA/US to become a member of Star or ST.



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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 17063 times:

So where would they stand with regional feed? Merge the US wholly-owned carriers into Eagle? What about contract carriers? AA's scope clause prohibits CR9's and the 170's/175's from being operated anyone other than mainline, right? Plus a HUGE glut of 50 seat (and smaller) RJ's...


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User currently offlineskyhawk62507 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 17018 times:

Quoting cjpmaestro (Thread starter):
What Would A Merged AA And US Look Like? 

Hell?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 16921 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 18):
Then there's govt issue. Since AA has a big presence in all the big states in the US (CA,TX,FL,NY,IL) you can bet management and labor will be pressing their congressional reps to oppose this merger. Both will probably state how this merger reduces choice for consumers, but AA labor won't want to have to compete with two(HP,US) additional labor groups, and management just wants to retain control.

Im sure labor would. I dont think we can know how management will react just yet. We cant truly know until US makes a move. I feel quite certain US will make a move of some sort. How AA will recieve it is anyones guess.

Frankly, if (and this is a huge if) they can get the labor situation sorted out, as long as the HQ remains in DFW and DFW sees no drastic cuts, I dont care if AA and US do merge. Doug Parker and US team managed to turn US from the laughing stock of the airline industy into a marginally profitable organization. As a loyal AA flyer, I would be willing to give him a chance if things go that way.



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User currently offlinecaleeiii From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 16383 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):

Airline Name: American Airlines
Livery: Current US Airways

It doesn't work for me. Just my preference.




User currently offlinerising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 16197 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):
Airline Name: American Airlines

Might as well call it White Star Line.

Quoting caleeiii (Reply 23):

Jeff, is that you?!



If it doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true.
User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 16638 times:

Quoting caleeiii (Reply 23):

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 4):

Airline Name: American Airlines
Livery: Current US Airways

It doesn't work for me. Just my preference.

I totally agree it looks a hot mess. I propose that a new livery is created for the new AA/US merger.


25 DL747400 : What Would A Merged AA and US Look Like? IMO, the result of such a combination would be a total and complete MESS of an airline with labor problems be
26 boeingpride800 : I picture it looking like a devastating hurricane
27 XT6Wagon : What it would look like? Like liquidation waiting to happen. I don't think they could go a week straight without some sort of labor issue wrecking the
28 TVNWZ : Harsh. How often do you fly either? I have never had anything but good experiences on either airline. Flights on time. Service as advertised with mos
29 Furlough : I agree labor issues would be difficult, but I don't think it would be insurmountable. As a US employee I can say for a fact that the pilots would not
30 flyguy89 : I'm not sure why so many are just dead-set on this opinion that AA and US HAVE to merger, that it's going to happen and it's only a matter of time. Co
31 RWA380 : This reply made me laugh so hard, I can't agree more. Leonardo DiCaprio can play Doug Parker in the movie.
32 boberito6589 : JFK lacks congestion?
33 RamblinMan : I'm all for it. I'd only have one airline to flat-out avoid instead of two.
34 Post contains images CO777DAL : I was thinking something like this. Train Wreck. Can't imagine who would want to sort out the labor relations at that combined airline.
35 Byrdluvs747 : Seeing what "Plastic Cup" Parker did the the product of US, I'm hoping AA does everything in their power to avoid a US takeover. The only way AA and
36 Flighty : Unsustainable in what sense... I think we're forgetting AA is the sick patient here, not US. US at CLT is doing fine. Exactly, Parker has industry cr
37 Post contains links boberito6589 : US has put glass back in First: http://www.usairways.com/en-US/trave...ir/envoyfirst/firstclass.html#tab2
38 zippyjet : With and AAUS merger, at least at my home town airport and workplace, the state of Maryland would have to implode ghetto Concourse D and revuild it fo
39 Post contains images ATL : AA's plans to get the 787 would probably be scrapped then.... JFK and LAX are way too important markets to be dropped, and PHL replacing JFK just woul
40 Max Q : Just because US is all that's left is no reason to merge with it. There are no advantages in doing so for AA. They should get their own house in order
41 PlanesNTrains : Except US isn't all that's left. ***cough***JetBlue***cough*** -Dave
42 Post contains images Maverick623 : If you think PIT and (especially) LAS being drawn down were a shock, you ain't seen nuthin' yet, especially with WN picking up international routes n
43 USAirALB : I'm confused to see why everyone thinks CLT will be de-emphasized in an AA/US merger. CLT is a gold mine for US. Out of all of the hubs in an AA/US m
44 flyguy89 : Settle down. I had a feeling the CLT fanboys would come out of the woodwork soon. This isn't about some sort of arbitrary contest between MIA and CLT
45 beardown91737 : Current livery... means keeping the US flag image on the tail and the same US font for the name. I would see the combo as Name: US Airways Livery: Cu
46 Post contains images jmc1975 : CLT is 85% connecting traffic for US vs. roughly 65% for AA @ DFW, which puts US at a revenue AND cost disadvantage. A merger of this sort would crea
47 caliboy78 : All I got to say if this merger were to happen I support the idea that AA/US will keep JFK, DFW, MIA, CLT, ORD & LAX as the main hubs followed by
48 USAirALB : True, but like I said before, MIA only serves primary domestic destinations at this point. What if someone wants to fly PWM-SXM? They'll have to doub
49 enilria : Imagine a castle on the top of a hill with three separate armies racing toward it from three different directions screaming at the top of their lungs
50 LAXdude1023 : In the scenario, I would imagine CLT would keep flights to the major destinations in the Caribbean (MBJ, SJU, PUJ, CUN).
51 jamake1 : Right. US Airways has such broad name recognition in Latin America...
52 BrianDromey : I would assume because if the management team merge US airways with another airline, or manage to sell it off, the top-team would get multi-million d
53 HPRamper : Considering what is facing AA at the moment, any terrible things Parker did to US on the way to bringing them back to profitability are not the worst
54 davescj : JFK is a nightmare. At any time. PHL isn't a bad airport to change planes/go through the border at. If it were merely a matter of connection, having
55 HPRamper : PHL is still hindered by the ghosts of past performance. I suppose this new merged airline could also choose LGA over JFK - focusing more on the O&am
56 beardown91737 : OK, then what should it be called? Pan Am, or Braniff?
57 American 767 : It was, when you had to walk out of the terminal, walk through work area, and the re clear security to get to the other terminal. In come cases you h
58 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : Unbelievable. I can understand being a fan of US. Heck I even defend the airline when needed. However, this dives into the realm of hallucination. So
59 jmc1975 : They could...or they could fly PWM-PHL-SXM without a double connection. Let's be careful not to get too wrapped up in thinking that CLT will be immun
60 davescj : There is truth in PHL's bad history. And that is true at a couple levels. And I've not been there recently, so it could certainly be better or worse
61 staralliance85 : The idea sounds possible but at the moment it would be a labor Nightmare!!! The FA's and the Unions of AA and US would wage war against one another. A
62 flyguy89 : As it stands right now, yes MIA only serves primary domestic destinations, but that's only because AA currently can only choose between Eagle ERJ's o
63 Byrdluvs747 : IAG can only acquire 25% of AA. AA will be owned by AA in the end. IAG will most likely provide some financing.
64 TOMMY767 : I beg the differ regarding LGA and BOS. Both airlines are shells of their former selves in both markets. US will be losing their terminal to DL after
65 Squid : Well since everyone else has been an armchair CEO, I will give it a shot too. Honestly I think that an AA/US merger would be a good matchup in the lon
66 jmc1975 : CLT is a goldmine for US now, because they rely more on connecting traffic than any other carrier. The goals of a merger are to increase revenue and
67 DeltaMD90 : American. US stated they were gonna take the Delta name when they tried to take over DL. There is no way they'd keep US Airways (ok 99.9% sure)
68 Post contains images USAirALB : US doesn't fly CLT-MUC, LH does. They don't. F class meals are served on china and glassware.
69 flyguy89 : oh yeah I'm aware, but if US switches to OW in a hypothetical merger with AA, LH would almost certainly discontinue the route sans the CLT feed...MUC
70 USAirALB : I wouldn't be so sure. The route actually has a lot of O/D traffic on it. The route currently operates as a A346 for 7 months out of the year, and th
71 staralliance85 : If US switches to OW, LH will either make it a A333 year-round or just drop the route. I'm sure if LH ever dropped it, US would come and pick it up.
72 flyguy89 : I would. No doubt BMW provides a good stream of premium traffic that bolsters the connecting traffic to make the route pretty profitable, but LH does
73 HPRamper : With the vastly improved feed from a combined network I don't see why these flights all wouldn't stay, on O&D basis alone if not for onward conne
74 DL747400 : Wouldn't it be great if there was a legal requirement that before Doug Parker could do anything in terms of acquiring or merging with another airlines
75 oflanigan : Both USAPA and APA are members of CAPA. Would that help in the Labor agreement arena? Or would they just try to screw the younger HP pilots group?
76 Post contains images caleeiii : Better. But, still not loving it! I maybe wrong, but I'd say the current livery and Eagle logo of American is more universally recognized and respect
77 lows : Yes, but with the new AA planes, they are going to have to paint at least part of them...unless the bare composites look is now in vogue.
78 USAirALB : They must have the patience for CLT-MUC because the route was upguaged from a 5x weekly to a 6x weekly service until December, then the route goes ba
79 HPRamper : The livery of AA is more recognized. Does that matter? Brand name is one thing, but I can't see anyone booking a flight on American, getting to the a
80 flyguy89 : Because it's a Star hub and, outside the slow season, operates daily. I would be, especially if they do so if the new AA keeps CLT-FRA. PIT has about
81 HPRamper : Oh, I completely agree. The reasoning was more what I was responding to. I think CLT would lose some to DFW (mostly east/west flows) but that is beca
82 rfields5421 : I would think the livery would be based on what they are trying to achieve. Airlines get new liveries all the time. If the airline has a bad rep with
83 dlramp4life : Ditto
84 Byrdluvs747 : Did it matter when Parker chose the livery of US over America West? Yes it does. I realize you either work for US or are a big fan(I was a big fan of
85 MAH4546 : It actually is a decent-sized local market, third largest North Carolina-EU local market after RDULON and CLTLON. Average fare is decent, but it's st
86 HPRamper : He didn't. The name was kept and the livery was immediately changed...in fact, to one closer resembling the old HP livery than the old US one. It was
87 commavia : To add my meaningless $0.02 to the conversation ... I think that if - big, humongous if - AA and USAirways were to merge, it would look something like
88 Squid : Yes, this is pretty much how I see it too. I don't see it as if...so much as when. I don't think they have a choice in the long run. There is only so
89 PlanesNTrains : Not to be repetitive, but: One never knows..... -Dave
90 nyc2theworld : True one never knows, but what would be the motivation for LH to vote yes with its board seat AND vote yes with its 19% of B6 shares on a merger with
91 PlanesNTrains : 1. I believe that LH has stated that they plan to sell their investment in B6. 2. AA and B6 have begun working together (mildly). 3. The previous "co
92 lows : To the AA-B6 Merger is inevitable people: What is the evidence that B6 wants a merger? They seem to do well on their own.
93 flyguy89 : Where's the evidence that an AA-US merger is inevitable? This is a straw-man argument, no one is arguing that an AA-B6 merger is inevitable, all that
94 lows : I'm not in favour of either. I like having US in Star. Planes&Trains, Sorry I missed your reply because I opened the tread but didn't update it b
95 DeltaMD90 : What's in it for AA or B6 in an AA/B6 merger? AA would have a hard time running B6's route network at AA's costs, it's really 2 different airline stra
96 UAL747DEN : I think that you are 100% wrong. NO ONE will touch AA without a bankruptcy and MAJOR restructuring of the airline. Even AA knows at this point that i
97 HPRamper : Well...time will tell how the WN/FL buyout works out, since that WAS one of the motivators of the deal.
98 Post contains links and images malaysia : I like these colors better I think the merger of US and AA will most likely be when we have no more Plant life left?
99 PlanesNTrains : 1. AA would have gone through BK beforehand. 2. B6's assets are certainly nothing to be sneezed at. 3. I don't see AA+B6 being terribly anti-competit
100 caliboy78 : I'll say that AA is indeed in a pretty bad shape but not as bad as people are making it seem. Do I think they wanna avoid BK? Why you might ask? I str
101 HPRamper : AA is probably better off without those senior employees who have gotten used to their 90s-style perks and cushy union benefits. Times have changed w
102 LAXdude1023 : I thought that went without saying, but my bad. I do think AA will have to file for Chapter 11. I dont see as they have much of a choice but to one d
103 caliboy78 : I totally agree with you. I think AA will be better off reviving the house from within. I also believe that those employees are mad because they wann
104 Byrdluvs747 : What makes you think a 19% shareholding and one board seat will stop B6 from merging? LH has no power to thwart any decision of the remaining B6 lead
105 mplsjefe : Not sure what you mean here . . . MSP hasn't really lost any international flights or cities served since the merger.
106 UAL747DEN : Okay, you are referring to a post BK American, of course anything is possible after bankruptcy because they will come out of the other side as a comp
107 etops1 : Trust me ,US WILL get financial backing if they make a move on AA. Wall street just can't wait . Parker is a numbers guy .He will get his money .
108 Byrdluvs747 : As I posted previously, AA won't go into BK without massive financing from its allies TPG, Citi, IAG, and Boeing. Airbus is likely as well. US won't
109 nyc2theworld : Please let me know of a successful merger in any industry where someone who owns 15% (just checked they no longer own 19%) of a company didn't vote t
110 UAL747DEN : NO WAY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!! Without a bankruptcy NO ONE is going to financially back an AA merger. It just doesn't work no matter how you look at
111 HPRamper : I don't think anyone believes US wants AA before they go through bankruptcy. They will make their move after AA emerges, when the unions have been kno
112 Post contains links aircanada014 : here's a link for you Imagine If AA And US Air Had Merged... (by Teej13 Sep 26 2001 in Civil Aviation)
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