keuleatr72 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15720 times:
According to a report from "Spiegel online" a former German Air Force Airbus ended up in Iran with W5.
The Airbus A310, former 10+22 "Theodor Heuss", was sold to a group of investors from the Ukraine for 3.125 million euros. The group of investors then sold the Bus to Iran´s W5.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15277 times:
Quoting keuleatr72 (Thread starter): Wasn´t it the chairman of W5 who recently told the press, that his team was pretty "creative" when it comes to aircraft aquisitions?
Not sure how creative this really is. It's been going on forever that LH has sold old aircraft - predominantly A300s - to a leasing company in Kazhakstan (sp?) or the Ukraine who then passed the aircraft off to Iran Air or Mahan Air.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7762 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14750 times:
All German government surplus is sold through a company called "Vebeg" which is wholly owned by the federal republic.The highest bidder wins the bidding. Simple as that.
If export licenses are needed, the buyer has to obtain an export license from the "Bundesamt fuer Gewerbliche Wirtschaft" in Eschbirn near frankfurt. Did not seem to be required here. If there are no further restrictions, the buyer can do what he wants. Landing on a US black list is no threat to a consortium which is formed just for the single purposes and dissolved afterwards.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7762 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14535 times:
Thje biddings are open to anyone who has the cash and not subject to US happiness. Go to www.vebeg.de and you can see that items, such as military equipment, is subject to export license. If there was an export license needed for the sale to Ukraine, it was obviously issued. The aircraft was delivered "white" without any markings.
a300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14443 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3): Quoting irshava (Reply 1):
Will the cabin be refitted for PAX ops or no?
They registered it EP-VIP. I think this says it all.
I totally agree. The registration is unique and not part of Mahan's usual registration sequences. Interestingly, a former Luftwaffe Tu-154M (11+01) found its way to the Iran Air Tours fleet as EP‑MBL and was operated in standard (non-VIP) passenger configuration. I found the fact that both EP-MBL and EP-MBL were with Interflug before going to Luftwaffe fascinating. Very interesting journey for these ships indeed.
It is a virtual certainty that Mahan will continue to grow the fleet with as many A300-600 and A310-300 aircraft that they can get their hands on. The newest A300-600 they have added is a PW-powered specimen, unlike all their other A300/A310s. Perhaps they will finally retire the few jurassic first generation A300s they have left.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7762 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14223 times:
Quoting a300 (Reply 7): I found the fact that both EP-MBL and EP-MBL were with Interflug before going to Luftwaffe fascinating. Very interesting journey for these ships indeed.
Interflug never operated the Tu-154 commercially. These 2 were VIP aircraft for the East German regime. Interflug actually was in charge of operating anything with wings, from agriculture flying to airline ops and airports. They wre part of the regime.
I don't think its actually a problem for them to purchase an aircraft more than 7 years old which this AC clrearly is. The problem is the transfer of money. In this case it went through a Eastern European country but the bank that brokered the deal is probably not permitted to bank in the US. Flying realiable planes over european skies for civilians is kind of in everyone's best interest anyway.
pliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9959 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 18): Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 5):
I'm not sure the Americans will be happy about this...
I don't think many people give a damn about what americans think of the sale of a used civilian aircraft, to be honest.
As an American, my response would be "who cares". There are much more important things to deal with over here than Iran's leader. From a political standpoint, I see it as a mistake on their part. Getting yourself a fancy new jet in the wake of what has been going on with the Arab spring might not be such a great idea.
I'm glad the Germans could find a buyer and maybe even got overpaid. Hopefully they knew the fix was in and put a phantom bidder in to get every last euro out of the syndicate.
Germany sold the plane to an unnamed investment company from eastern europe. This company submitted the highest bid. Rumor has it that this company is part of the same middleman-company that sold 3 ex UA B744 to Iran.
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sunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 770 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8895 times:
Quoting lh526 (Reply 17): Quoting keuleatr72 (Thread starter):
Former German Air Force Airbus Sold - To Iran
Wrong! The A310 has been sold to a company, the highest bidder of the auction! THAT company sold it to Iran and is to blame, not germany!
Why is he wrong? He said "Former German Air Force"... not "Germany sold it to Iran"...
Just for the record: if I, as an American company, knowingly sell something that is embargoed or sanctioned to a "3rd party" knowing full well it will end up in the wrong hands, I will spend time in jail - it is US Law and it is clear. I can't comment on how that law applies to this case because the airplane (which I just saw two days ago in KBP!) wasn't sold by an American company; however, I am making this comment in response to some of the comments above.