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Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 22244 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to our 23rd installment of 2011:

Here's the link to the last thread, which saw quite a few interesting developments:

Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir (by kaitak Oct 31 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Although there is still immense concern about the euro, not to mention trepidation about what next month's budget will bring, there are still lots of green shoots pushing their way through; let's look at what has been announced in recent weeks and months:

- Emirates to Dublin
- SAS increasing capacity
- Aeroflot coming to Dublin
- New FR routes from NOC
- UAL to IAD (true, replacement of the second EWR flight, but still important in economic terms, being a new city)
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)
- New EI routes

And there's a few others, I'm sure, already announced and yet to come. All in all, not bad going.

So, what's next on the horizon ...

Well, let's just wait and see!

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 22189 times:

Just wanted to throw out a very nice thing that Aer Lingus did for me a week ago.

I was booked on the last flight from DUB-LHR on Friday 11/11. On arrival at the Gold Circle Lounge, there was some discussion and then I was put onto the flight departing early. Apparently there were delays, so they moved me so I would be early rather than late.

I thought that was very good service (for the record, I was the 3rd passenger moved in this way).

It would make sense if EI allowed passengers to be moved to an earlier flight during the day at no cost if they arrive at the airport in time for it. I had been thinking on the way to the airport that I should have booked the earlier flight. Decided not to bother asking, and then had that lovely thing happen on entry to the lounge. I even joked to the lounge attendants that they were just trying to stop me using the lounge. Fun times  

On the return, I was in the LHR lounge on 19/11 and was seated in 11A. I asked at the desk if they had any windows further forward and was told there were plenty and to take my pick - 1, 2, 3, 4... chose 2A and was given the boarding pass for same. This is very good service. I have nothing but compliments for the lounge staff for being so helpful.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 22177 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Emirates to Dublin
- SAS increasing capacity
- Aeroflot coming to Dublin
- New FR routes from NOC
- UAL to IAD (true, replacement of the second EWR flight, but still important in economic terms, being a new city)
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)
- New EI routes

Indeed all good news and great to see. long may it continue. SU is the best one for me. Great to see them back into DUB. They offer some decent fares past SVO to the East and CIS.


User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 22135 times:

Some notes from FR launch today at Ireland West:

- MOL said NOC was competing with 60 airports for their aircraft and winning on cost base.
- Frequencies are 3x weekly to start with, BVA being operated W from a UK base.
- Tourism Ireland to run a campaign in conjunction with FR marketing the region.
- Airport manager Joe Gilmore said they expect figures of 650,000 for 2011 (+10%), 725,000 2012 and hope to reach 1m in next 3 years.

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On the other side of the coin...

With GWY closed "for the Winter season", the staff are being cut from 55 to 7 on statutory redundancy terms. Some have started to speak up about where it all went wrong ... it seems huge sums of money was still being wasted right up to the end and new management still focused on benefiting their own interests if accurate.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75586199&postcount=190


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 21844 times:
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Quoting sawtooth (Reply 3):
On the other side of the coin...

Some pretty damming accusations there. I know we must take everything that is written on boards.ie with a pinch of salt but if there is truth behind even just half of those accusations, then it seems as if the demise of GWY is a clear cut case of bad management. In fairness to this poster, there have been rumours floating around Galway from private flyers for quite a while over the cost of using the airport, suggesting that the high cost was directly related to the alleged wastage by the management. It is easy to throw accusations at front line staff for not being flexible but paying four managers the sum total of half a million plus other perks to run a tiny regional airport cannot be deemed a good business plan and there is little front line staff can do to attract new airlines to open new routes.



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21724 times:

Any word on a start date for the SU service?

[Edited 2011-11-21 19:02:09]

User currently offline330guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21609 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)

Sorry to nit pick but as discussed at the end of the last thread DL will be sending a 767 from JFK and not an A330. I think the press release from DL was mis understood, Its also confirmed in the thread for "DL S12 Transatlantic Changes". (I dont know how to post a thread link sorry)

[Edited 2011-11-22 01:17:04]


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 21583 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 6):
I may get totally shot down here but thats what happens when you allow the trade unions weaken and allow corporations complete control! Only in it for themselves!

You make a fair point there and as much as I dislike trade unions, this is one instance where they clearly one instance where they could have been very useful in holding management to account. In addition to poor decision making, it seems from reading that post that a "jobs for the boys" system was very much in place. I know it is technically speaking a private company so they are free to do whatever they want, but surely a private company that has in the past received so much government support should be obliged to follow the public sector recruitment process (which in itself is a bit of a fallacy but at least the job gets advertised publicly). You could argue that not only have these guys looked after their own but have siphoned government money into their own pockets which is falls under my definition of fraud.

Of course, this discussion is based entirely on accusations contained in a single post on an unmoderated internet forum. Therefore, we must afford management at GWY the benefit of the doubt until we find out more in the way of hard facts. I would like to find out a bit more about what went wrong whether it is as the poster alleges or if it was just that GWY became a casualty of improving ground transport combined with poor economic conditions. Lets face it, we all saw this coming as far back as two years ago when the final section of the M6 opened. You can make it from the Galway Clinic to the M50 in 1hr 50mins. Even train services from Galway to Dublin have begun to suffer because of the speed and convenience of the hourly express bus services offered by Citylink and GoBus. We were even surprised GWY had managed to survive the onslaught of the FR base at SNN with numerous attempts by FR to offer duplicate routes ex SNN to squeeze RE out of GWY.

Whether or not the management had a role to play in the demise of GWY is debatable and while I really feel for thosee who find themselves unemployed just before Christmas, the cold hard facts remain that it would have taken a minor miracle to keep it open regardless of who was in charge.



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 21560 times:

Is it as simple to suggest that a change in management and management structure could lead to the long term viability of GWY?

I fear it has far more pressing issues which would be impossible to gain funding for at this time such as the short runway which simply would not attract the sort of customers it requires in order to expand and succeed in a modern industry!



My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently offlineaidansnn From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21480 times:

Some good news for SNN on a cold November monring!

Delta to resume Shannon link with NYC

Delta Air Lines is to resume its seasonal route between Shannon and New York next year, it was confirmed today.

The daily service, which is being operated with partner Air France KLM, will begin again on March 25th and operate throughout the summer to JFK Airport.

The service has been timed to connect with other US destinations.

“Shannon is an important market for Delta, and we are excited about the return of the route next summer,” said Frank Jahangir, Delta’s vice president sales for Europe, Middle East and Africa “In addition to the service to New York, the flight offers our Shannon customers convenient connections to more than 45 destinations across the US.”

The news is a boost to the airport, which has suffered a number of setbacks in recent years. In 2009 and 2010, Shannon Airport recorded combined losses of €16 million, and is headed for an €8 million loss this year.

Aer Lingus announced in 2007 it was axing its route from the airport to Heathrow, before reinstating the service in 2009. Ryanair, meanwhile, has criticised the airport for what it describes as high charges.

There was also good news for the region yesterday, when Ryanair announced it is to open four additional direct routes between Knock airport and continental Europe next summer. The extra passenger traffic is expected to generate up to €23 million to the west’s tourist economy
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1122/breaking23.html


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21466 times:
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Quoting aidansnn (Reply 11):
Some good news for SNN on a cold November monring!

That is good news! It would be a pity for the longest serving US airline to withdraw fully from SNN. It is a sign that summer demand for TA services ex SNN still exists but the winter period is and always has been the major stumbling block for the airport.



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlinetailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 21365 times:

Any idea if SNN-CDG is returning with EI for summer 2012?

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 21323 times:

Quoting aidansnn (Reply 11):
Aer Lingus announced in 2007 it was axing its route from the airport to Heathrow, before reinstating the service in 2009. Ryanair, meanwhile, has criticised the airport for what it describes as high charges.

I love it, EI get caned from suspending LHR-SNN and yet Ryanair are praised. The removal of 6 based aircraft, closing the base and being the cause of most of SNN's financial losses and ongoing structural problems conveniently forgotten. That level of bitterness would be expected from the Clare champion, but I would expect better from the Irish Times, to be honest.

Quoting tailfin (Reply 13):
Any idea if SNN-CDG is returning with EI for summer 2012?

Nope. It was canned. Normally EI give routes a couple of seasons and stick with routes, promoting them, so unusual. The aircraft capacity freed up is being used on ORK-FRA instead. Hopefully EI will stick with that route for more than a few weeks.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21298 times:

I wonder if CO will introduce the second daily flight to EWR a few days a week like last year?

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21101 times:

A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

This really is not good.



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21086 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):

My guess is that DUB will start growing quite consistently from now on. Airlines are clearly seeing a market in Ireland, especially with DL using A330's next summer and EK starting.

Who knows, EK could have a three daily A380 service to DXB at some stage  


User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21018 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

Interesting, any breakdown of how that is split between UK/Europe/US etc? I think the "imminent end of the euro" talk saturating the media has created a lot of fear around financial security as well as the usual Winter drop and budget talk. Though as mentioned several new long-haul services in the new year at DUB and healthy US network from SNN next year.

Drops at most airports across UK CAA stats with few positives. October also saw the first falls for many months at NOC. Scotland also seems to be down across the board. Top of the pops:

Dublin:
JER +41, ABZ +39%
stwick (PIK / EGPK), United Kingdom">PIK –39%, CWL –28%, EMA –24%, LBA -23%, LCY –18%, BHX –13%, STN –10%, IOM -13%

Cork:
BRS+21%, LPL +12%
MAN –7%, EDI –23%, GLA –18%

Shannon:
MAN +55%
LPL–11%, EDI –49%, GLA –58%

Knock:
LPL +17%
MAN –27%, BRS –13% , EMA –12%

Kerry:
STN –26%

Waterford:
LTN –77%, MAN –46%, BHX –34%

[Edited 2011-11-22 10:58:12]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21002 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 14):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

This really is not good.

Hopefully just a temporary figure. Will be interesting to see the Christmas and New Year figures.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20817 times:

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 16):
PIK –39%, CWL –28%, EMA –24%, LBA -23%, LCY –18%, BHX –13%, STN –10%, IOM -13%

Could it be anything to do with FR reducing capacity; quite a number of these routes - EMA, PIK, STN and LBA (as well as BHX) are operated by FR?

It is certainly worrying, no doubt about it.


User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20745 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 18):
Could it be anything to do with FR reducing capacity; quite a number of these routes - EMA, PIK, STN and LBA (as well as BHX) are operated by FR?

Also wondered if there may be some reluctance to book EIR aircraft in Winter? See a lot of tweets complaining about the egg-beaters. Looks like a combination of factors with The Examiner gives further figures: 1.5 million over all, UK –8%, Europe –9%, and 85% drop in domestic.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...s-529366.html#.Tsv3kaNdvUg.twitter

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Speaking of EIR, some of their crew have won Gold Customer Service Award...presumably not for arresting passengers who pay with large notes...

http://insideireland.ie/2011/11/22/a...-top-customer-service-award-42556/
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Thomas Cook in the wars, are they still serving this country? Astraeus and Dubrovnik gone this month. Wonder if there will be any charters left in the Irish market next year other than Airpost.

Quote:
Thomas Cook (TCG.L) asked lenders to come to its rescue for the second time in five weeks, sending shares in one of the world's oldest travel operators into freefall as it warned of a possible default.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...s-thomascook-idUSTRE7AL1OD20111122


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20659 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

I wonder how much (if any) of this drop can be attributed to the FR/EI winter reductions.

Looking at raw numbers is misleading, if 10% of flights are stopped (compared to last Oct) the same level of pax usage is happening.

cipango makes a valid point below: Would be interesting to see the number of flights/pax for Oct 2010 and Oct 2011.

I have been told that the EI load factor was equal to normal Summer numbers during last month. (Of course EI is only one of the airlines using DUB)

[Edited 2011-11-22 15:42:46]

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20653 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 20):


I wonder how much (if any) of this drop can be attributed to the FR/EI winter reductions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this 10% drop in passenger numbers not based on October last year?


User currently offlineHarpandShamrock From Ireland, joined Mar 2011, 133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20595 times:

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 19):
Also wondered if there may be some reluctance to book EIR aircraft in Winter? See a lot of tweets complaining about the egg-beaters.

Although I am one of those people reluctant to book on EIR (I don't tweet about it mind, I just moan about them occasionally on the Irish thread or whatever anti FR thread is running at the time), I am curious as to what you mean by egg-beaters?



2011 so far: LX (4), FR (2), EI (2), BE (2) - 4004 miles
User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20548 times:

Agitation device involving high velocity rotating blades, much vibration and racket, occasional gearing jam, can leave user breathless after vigorous use.



[Edited 2011-11-22 17:13:27]

User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20508 times:

Amadeus is showing the following for US Airways:

AD24DECPHLDUB/FN/AUS
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** DUB DUBLIN.IE 32 SA 24DEC 0000
1 US 726 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 /PHL A DUB 2 0815 2005 E0.767 6:50
Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T3 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0

Christmas Eve daylight flight from PHL to DUB?

Is this a first for a scheduled morning departure from US to Ireland?



It is what it is.
25 cipango : DUB closes on Christmas Day. Maybe its arriving for the flight to PHL on the 26th?
26 ClassicLover : I'd just like to state a few things for the record about Aer Lingus... a) The person on their 0818 365 000 number who is "the voice of Aer Lingus" sou
27 Ire2008 : Thats usually what i expect when i ring any company, sure i was on hold to vodafone for 25min recently! Its normally, nobody usually knows anything in
28 OA260 : Ive seen a few airlines post schedules only to see them XXXXXXX in all classes or show cancelled a few weeks before. Emirates have appointed Margaret
29 Post contains images HarpandShamrock : Had the same problem myself - when you're already in a bad mood because of the website crashing on you mid-check in, the last thing you want is to be
30 BrianDromey : In winter? Bloody hell, if many of us had the choice we wouldn't book in summer, let alone winter. The crews do their best with a bad set of aircraft
31 Post contains images OA260 : I presume the new EK desk ?
32 bx737 : Interesting the drop in figures for the drop in traffic in Dublin, but I wonder how much of this is attributable to the mid-term being nearly a week l
33 styles9002 : It is difficult to believe an airport closes on a specific day of the year. It seems to be unnecessary in 2011. According to Amadeus Rome FCO is open
34 AmricanShamrok : Maybe airlines see it unfeasible to operate on Christmas day (lack of demand?) and the airport follows suit? As far as I know even Ryanair shuts down
35 SURFER : Even though there is no commercial flights the airport still has movements such as the troop carriers,delivery flights from the likes of Aerospace an
36 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : It has to stay open all the time in accordance with US Dept. of Defense agreements for refueling etc.
37 IRISH251 : Shannon movments for Xmas Day are minimal. Last Christmas they consisted in total of: N522AX DC-10-30(ER) of Omni Air UR-DAF A321-231(1869) Departed
38 kaitak : Some information has come to light about EI's plans for next Summer on t/a routes: Dublin – Boston Increases from 10 weekly in S11 to 11 weekly in S
39 AmricanShamrok : I don't know how they'll compete with DL's and CO's daily/11 weekly flights respectively with just three weekly...I suppose they've been managing wit
40 Post contains links EI787 : You've got to hand it to EK, they have one mighty advertising machine.....I can only speak for Dublin, but the city has been blitzed with EK adverts.
41 kaitak : Love it; glad to see they're going in with all guns blazing; clearly, they're going to go into DUB in a big way; they will want to build up to twice
42 oneworld77 : And Sawtooth, I try to avoid EIR for winter after a couple of hair raising flights. Note though that I avoid props in winter in general and you do ha
43 Eagleboy : Someone tell Dermot Mannion that!!!!!
44 shamrock321 : I came back from UK last week and first thing that struck me around the airport espeically on Aircoach buses was EK advertising! LHR opens on christma
45 cipango : Its pretty amazing at the sheer size of this advertising campaign. The sides of Dublin Bus double deckers are covered in a floor to roof picture of t
46 sawtooth : So do the new S12 TA schedules leave any gaps for additional 330 routes?
47 Eagleboy : I don't think so,am willing to be corrected but this looks like the EI A330 fleet usage for S12. 7 A330: 1 used for the SNN ops. 4 used to cover JFK,
48 Post contains images HarpandShamrock : The most unpleasant thing I've found about bouncing across the Irish Sea on EIR, is when you can see a bank of clouds in front. Given the low speed y
49 OA260 : Indeed they are and saw loads of buses around DUB yesterday covered in EK Ads . Mind you they have been allocated a substantial budget to play with .
50 OA260 : Not a good start to the day . D-AIRR (A321) gone tech at DUB. Lots of missed connections.
51 tonymctigue : I think the general tend with SNN-NYC is that Irish passengers generally tend to fly with EI whereas American passengers in general tend to fly with
52 AmricanShamrok : I've had a few ups and downs with CO but to be fair I'd say I was just unlucky each time. They are a good quality airline and offer a great service o
53 Post contains links sawtooth : Missed this in the news...A LIQUIDATOR has been appointed to the company which operates the Weston Aerodrome in west Dublin. http://www.independent.ie
54 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Full story: http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php...-sunseekers-left-high-and-dry.html
55 EI320 : Oh cry me a river. If this is the biggest of their worries they should consider themselves extremely lucky.
56 shamrock604 : Oh for god sake, they can still fly from Cork with Aerlingus! My heart simply bleeds for them! At least the local councillor actually admitted that R
57 tonymctigue : I'm sick of having to say this, but I'm so sorry that those of you who live in the rest of the country have to listen to the never ending stream of b
58 BrianDromey : Well said sir. Welcome to my RU. Classic case of "use it or loose it". It never ceases to amaze me how many people will moan about a route, use alter
59 sawtooth : Not to mention KIR, DUB and NOC in the booking system at time of press. The article isn't really about Alicante timeshare though, just an excuse to t
60 grimey : I saw that in Connolly station yesterday and I was impressed. That's really not good to hear, especially that's where I did my PPL training. About th
61 tonymctigue : It is just a cheap attempt to gather some attention for a small local paper. Like most of these such articles, this report probably overheard some ma
62 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Full story: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1125/1224308105246.html I'd love to see them get rid of that departure lounge in its en
63 EIDAA : The EK advertising campaign around Dublin really is quite impressive! I actually decided to take punt a month ago and booked onto the inaugural servic
64 bestwestern : If maintaining the current store costs €1m, how much do you want spent to fill up the entire place with shops? There isnt the passenger numbers to
65 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : It's the renovation that's costing €1m, not maintenance. I know. That's why I said "when things pick up". Just a thought like...I can only imagine
66 tonymctigue : Yeah but you'd loose those lovely brown and orange chairs! In fairness to them, they are reasonably comfortable as airport waiting seats go in spite
67 AmricanShamrok : The brown/orange/red chairs are long gone I'm afraid! They've been replaced with more modern grey ones similar to what they have at DUB. There are st
68 tonymctigue : Noooooooo!!!!! I could have sworn there were a few of them still knocking around? There were still some at the departure gates last time I was there.
69 cipango : From SNN? Serious?
70 shamrock604 : Yup! Aeroflot used SNN to fuel stop on its way from Moscow and Leningrad to a variety of destinations across the North and South Atlantic.
71 cipango : Did they have 5th Freedom rights for these destinations?
72 shamrock604 : Yes, they did. The budget conscious from many parts of Europe used to take advantage of SU's comparitively low fares!
73 Post contains links tonymctigue : They most certainly did. SNN had to this day the widest variety of long haul destination ever offered from Ireland not only just to this day, but wil
74 irishtexan : Talk of those old seats at SNN brings another memory back. I recall hearing that in the late 80's/early 90's that Aeroflot, or their political masters
75 AmricanShamrok : Every three weeks a tanker would arrive at SNN with fuel from the Soviet Union. The jetty is still there (used?) today on the river opposite the term
76 SURFER : Duty free is in the middle of a facelift as we speak!Will look very well when it is completed! Jetty is in full use and the fuel is still imported fr
77 EI2KSEA : All this SU talk is bringing back memories of me as a kid heading to SNN at 4am in the morning with my big brother to watch aircraft on summer Saturda
78 OA260 : Indeed I flew J class SNN-SVO-DEL once for around IEP850 all in return. Always wanted to try the SNN-HAV route but it stopped before I got the chance
79 cipango : How things can change!
80 shamrock604 : Yes, at one time, there were up to 17 Aeroflot Flights transiting through SNN per day. It also shows why an airport should never rely on Technical tr
81 Post contains images tonymctigue : I'm not sure how much thruth there is in it, but rumours still persist that the reason SNN got its preclearance facility is because the American auth
82 Post contains images shamrock604 : A number of things that happened at SNN back in those days are best never repeated! Between certain "imports of goods" which were believed to be one
83 Post contains images SURFER : I have heard many of the stories from the "good old days" from my father and grandfather and ive a nice few years here myself in SNN and believe me i
84 OA260 : Indeed SNN has had some interesting airlines and routes. Towards the end of the tech stops as we know them now there were PK B743's between USA-Pakis
85 shamrock604 : About time. It was a disgrace. I did not like even being in it, let alone buying from it.
86 irishtexan : My earliest memories of SNN are from the 60's as a kid and as a treat having a family outing to the airport and watching the PanAm and TWA 707's thund
87 shamrock604 : I have exactly the same memories although the 707's were being phased out by the time I stood in that spot! For me, it was 747's, and later IL-62's,
88 AmricanShamrok : Very interesting and informative comments here - love reading them. Unfortunately I'm too young to remember much of the SNN glory days so apart from s
89 Eagleboy : To diverge from memory lane (I too used to be brought out to SNN airport when I was a nipper!!) Has anyone confirmation on the handling agent for EK i
90 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : There are a lot of photos in the database from SNN during the 1970s to 1990s period. Here are just a few: View Large View MediumPhoto © Martin Kelly
91 bestwestern : That Air Canada logo is such a classic.
92 shamrock604 : I heard it was Servisair too. I remember each of those! God, I feel old! Ones that stand out though - the Transamerica DC-8's, NW 747's, B-CAL D10's,
93 propchaser : In relation to Aeroflot operations in Shannon,around 1994,SU used to position an Il-62 into shannon on saturday afternoons to operate charters to Jama
94 shamrock321 : Servisair have the EK contract, Im sure theyll do fine but ohhh how I'm glad I got away from there!
95 Post contains images shamrock604 : EY are a pretty "high maintenance" customer. I'm sure they will manage EK with ease!
96 OA260 : Your probably right I used to have a timetable showing SNN but dont have it anymore to check back .
97 Ire2008 : I guess if planes didn't have such a long range and the Soviet Union was still round, SNN would be a hive of activity! Probably increased from the 90s
98 Eagleboy : It seems strange to me that EK and EY would use the same handling agent, purely due to their conflicting operations. I doubt EK pax would use the EY
99 shamrock321 : The EY lounge at DUB isrun by EY staff it wont be used by EK PAX! EK have picked the best of a bad lot, SP dont handle many long hauls and arnt as goo
100 Post contains links shamrock350 : Etihad still interested in Aer Lingus? Etihad chief executive James Hogan has reiterated his airline’s interest in buying the Government’s 25 per
101 Eagleboy : I thought they had killed of that plan a few weeks ago?
102 OA260 : Yes I doubt they would use their lounge . As for same handling agent lots of airlines in out stations use the same so I dont think that would be an i
103 MrAero36 : Recently, Air Berlin flew Irish troops to and from Lebanon on troop rotations, contracts which were issued by the Government. Anyone have any idea how
104 kaitak : I presume you mean AB? I think "not very well" (same applies to the government!) So did I; maybe the story about EY breaking off talks was a ruse to
105 Post contains links grimey : cutbacks in the Christmas lights this year? http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/11/28/...ristmas-terminal-1-dublin-airport/
106 Eagleboy : Well AB have grown very fast (less then 50 aircraft in 2004, over 160 now) they absorbed several other companies and charter airlines. So perhaps thei
107 BrianDromey : There is much speculation at the moment, we will see. US has been muted as a partner and IAG have already declared involvement. Perhaps this could be
108 Post contains links sawtooth : Another study underway on viability of making SNN a global humanitarian aid hub... http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2011/1123/122430799982
109 Eagleboy : In pure financial terms wouldn't that be seen as a mutually complementary business plan
110 sawtooth : I guess they may call it synergy, but you know which one they'll be shouting about in the press releases.
111 Eagleboy : "Synergy", dammit! That was the word I was looking for.........
112 Pilot21 : Took the SNN-MIA-SNN flight with them around 1992 or 93 I think. IL-62, interesting flight - one of my first long-haul flights, so wasn't use to much
113 tonymctigue : I always wanted to get a go on an IL-62. One of the most beautiful aircraft ever built (and one of the loudest). Unlikely to happen now. Are there an
114 Post contains images sawtooth : Not sure I'd want to get on one but one of my favorites also, the VC-10 had a very similar design:
115 tonymctigue : They admittedly didn't have the best of safety records. I'm not sure how much of the blame can be directed at the design of the aircraft and at those
116 Post contains links tonymctigue : I just noticed that the RTE home page is very much going for an EK theme at the moment http://www.rte.ie/
117 Post contains links 330guy : Same with www.ireland.com the PR machiene is in full swing I guess
118 AmricanShamrok : There are billboards galore around the west Limerick/north Kerry area too.
119 shamrock604 : Aer Lingus take note - THAT is how you launch a new route!
120 Nibog : On a slightly different note I read an article today saying that the third largest LCC in Europe is....Norwegian Air Shuttle,carried 13m pax last year
121 OA260 : That must have been a fab trip. Always wanted to get on one of those but never got the chance. Sometimes you just need to do things before its too la
122 bestwestern : That is how you launch a network of routes from DXB.
123 AmricanShamrok : Was it Skynet Airlines? They used to do SNN-AMS-SVO for Aeroflot and were SNN-based before Aer Rianta impounded their aircraft due to them not paying
124 Post contains links and images OA260 : Yes that was it Interesting article Re: EY and their bookings. Factual? ABU Dhabi-based airline Etihad has recorded its strongest-ever forward bookin
125 sawtooth : So where is all this demand coming from? From anecdotal experience with local businesses, most say they have cut back on travel to Asian trade shows a
126 bestwestern : As seen on Twitter today "Ryanair CEO says public sector should join real world. However Ryanair's 'real world' is probably a 2hr bus ride from the ac
127 shamrock604 : The new batch of emigrants to Australia is surely helping! Remember, their families and friends will pay visits, they themselves will make visits hom
128 MrAero36 : What needs to borne in mind, MoL is an accountant, no more. Albeit a pretty good one. However, FR has one major flaw, staff loyalty! Speaking from exp
129 bestwestern : Whilst most of us see this as a huge flaw, In the FR school of management, frontline staff are easy to come by, and if the leave quickly, they are ea
130 cipango : I really would love to know how much EK has bugeted for this advertising campaign?
131 f1eddie : Funny enough im looking at flying with them to CPH in two weeks. Cheap enough fare. Ill report on the load but it seems to be light as the fare aint
132 MrAero36 : In an airline the size of FR, 12 is a tiny figure, especially when there are pay by the hour pilots waiting to join. That is twelve per week, senior
133 AmricanShamrok : The unveiling of the new Loop dutyfree shop at Shannon will be on Monday, 12th December. Just seven days after my trip to London so I won't be able to
134 OA260 : SK have started to downgrade some flights over Xmas back to MD-80's . I wonder why the turn around DUB-CPH!
135 Post contains images eicvd : Now Philip you shouldn't compalin if you get to fly a nice classic mad dog
136 PenPusher : More like an upgrade to a classic Douglas aircraft, chances to fly in any type of DC- are getting harder by the day.
137 shamrock604 : Likely just SK putting the higher capacity aircraft on routes with strong VFR Xmas traffic into and out of CPH. Most airlines play around with capaci
138 Post contains links bestwestern : London Oxford Airport will host its first commercial airline charter to Dublin next week, with onward packages being offered to New York with Aer Ling
139 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have updated their in-flight menu on short-haul, Sky Cafe is gone and replaced by a menu called Sky Deli. http://www.bfk.ie/our-work/2011/1
140 BrianDromey : Thats a really great video. It would be fantastic if some of that footage could be used for outside advertising campaigns, rather than the lacklustre
141 bestwestern : I think the choice and food quality on EI is good, and I prefer the Buy on Board to either a packet of crackers or nothing. One way to differentiate
142 shamrock350 : Completely agree. The new advertising campaign with Irish International was identical in style to what we've been seeing for nearly 10 years. During
143 Post contains images OA260 : Ok , ok point taken lol... I won't complain about two MD,s
144 dstc47 : Would not the use of the term best fare, for what is not the lowest fare, raise the ire of all those concerned with consumer rights? This sound a bit
145 bestwestern : Huge logistical issues in preparing this Many airlines have tried the Pre-order BOB, and most have failed.
146 bestwestern : BMI timings to Ireland next summer are still strange and stink of slot sitting rather than a decent effort at a sustainable business schedule. Schedul
147 ClassicLover : I like the sound of this! I have absolutely no problem buying food on board, and these options sound sooo much nicer than the usual crap that airline
148 EIRules : Hardly a surprise from an airline about to be gobbled up. Assuming its BA doing the gobbling, I can't see BD in DUB next Summer. Star Alliance then h
149 bestwestern : The real winners will be LH and AF/KL. perhaps the best solution for EI is to be everyone's friend in Ireland. OS to VIE, IB to Madrid, BA to London,
150 shamrock604 : That feed they get from EI is also ludicrously cheap - which is why it is difficult for KL to wean itself away from it.
151 kaitak : Two new (albeit previously stored) 738s were delivered to FR on Friday, EI-ESY and 'ESZ, presumably arriving in DUB yesterday. Not quite sure what FR
152 EIRules : Exactly how do EI make money on connections? I mean, KL from AMS-JFK could be €600 but DUB-AMS-JFK with EI/KL could come in cheaper. Same for BA LHR
153 cipango : I often think this with every airline offering connections! I have often seen many airlines offering cheaper fares when you add a connection to the e
154 BrianDromey : It's a bit of a black art, this one. Im sure someone like Phil can give a better insight, but as I understand it EI negotiate a rate with the airline
155 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : They did indeed arrive at Dublin yesterday: EI-ESY Boeing 737-8AS by Irish251, on Flickr EI-ESZ Boeing 737-8AS by Irish251, on Flickr EI-DCS arrived
156 OA260 : EI used to get between €30-€45 per sector on the DUB-AMS run with a KLM Nett fare.
157 bestwestern : Budget - part 1 - Reduce funding for Regional Airports and Miscellaneous Aviation Services. - 5,000,000 Reduce allocation for tourism marketing progra
158 Post contains links kaitak : There are reports this evening of an aircraft incident at ORK this evening: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/c...r-light-aircraft-crash-531019.html
159 EIBusiness : Definitely. Or rather - hopecasting on the part of the government and hiding from the inevitable necessary debt writedown in order for the country to
160 Post contains links grimey : Busy Day at DUB today: Aer Lingus A320 near Dublin on Dec 5th 2011, cracked windshield http://avherald.com/h?article=4472db15&opt=0 Ryanair B738 a
161 AmricanShamrok : Had great flights today with Ryanair (SNN-LGW) and Aer Lingus (LHR-SNN) - both were very smooth and had healthy loads. Flew out on 'EFB and home on 'D
162 tonystan : Cos with the exception of the ex Iberia 320s, all the aircraft have the same seats and are interchangable aswell as the seating upholstery! All comes
163 Post contains links greenjet : Interesting feature on the BBC website about the number of Irish bosses in aviation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15836677
164 AmricanShamrok : OK I get you. Thanks!
165 BrianDromey : Are those two still in 171CY rather than the EI standard 174Y fit of the EI fleet? Do threes aircraft have any differences from the rest of the EI fl
166 Eagleboy : I was on one recently on my way back form London, they are 174Y config now.
167 bestwestern : Wondering out loud if LH will open a lounge in Dublin when Bmi vacate.
168 Eagleboy : I doubt there is the traffic for it,,,,,,,.....however a rebranding as a STAR lounge may be a possibility with the CO/UA/US flights in addition to the
169 OA260 : I think that would be the most likely outcome and more financially viable.
170 BrianDromey : Other than speculation on message boards, there has been no confirmation or denial of BD leaving DUB in the near term. Indeed WW has been quoted as "
171 EIRules : Hey everyone I have a few questions about FR and hoping ye can help. Do Ryanair sell fresh fruit onboard? In regards to what they sell, what would you
172 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Aer Lingus confirm SNN longhaul schedule for 2012: http://www.clareherald.com/business-...ixed-news-for-shannon-airport.html Also when I was at SNN ye
173 tonystan : I wonder what makes Cllr McCarthy qualified enough to claim that ORD-SNN direct would be a "viable" service? I really do feel its time Aer Lingus pull
174 bestwestern : Could Lagos be operated with an A319?
175 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus passengers numbers up in November http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1207/aerlingus-business.html Where are the new routes to Verona, Stockholm an
176 cipango : Yes I completely agree! They need to stop testing new markets in the US like SFO and IAD, and start west from DUB, and not east. Asia is definitely t
177 Post contains links shamrock350 : The new Aer Lingus Sky Deli menu is now available to view on their website, looks like a good selection. Long haul is apparently next after premium ec
178 AmricanShamrok : I guess given the history of the SNN-ORD route (it operated for decades, both directly and indirectly via Dublin) along with much better connection p
179 cipango : I meant start east from DUB and not west..
180 bestwestern : But the yield on flights to Thailand is really poor. When carriers like AF cant make CDG BKK work on a daily basis, BA is dropping its long operating
181 Post contains images OA260 : Yes they do indeed. Seen EI are offering ATH-DUB-ATH for EUR135 all in for next June ! Great fares
182 AmricanShamrok : Gardaí swarming Kerry Airport at the moment apparently. A Ryanair flight from Frankfurt just landed...
183 Post contains links bestwestern : http://www.businessandleadership.com...s/item/33349-aer-lingus-passenger/ Aer Lingus Group has revealed that its total booked passenger numbers in Nov
184 bestwestern : Aer Lingus announces their 200th millionth passenger since operations began. Congratulations. 100m passengers took 61 years. Second 100 million took 1
185 OA260 : Any update on what it was ?
186 Post contains images ClassicLover : €9.50 for the breakfast!! Oh squeeze, squeeze, squeeze my wallet! People are clearly prepared to pay that much for it though, so well done from a b
187 Ire2008 : From someone I know the pasta and meatballs is not nice at all! Kevin
188 Post contains links and images shamrock350 : I'm sure they can find a suitable fare to gap the huge difference between the low fare and flex fare, hopefully they go ahead with the best fare (wit
189 dstc47 : Sorry to see that Pearce Cahill, pioneer in Irish Aviation has passed away. My condolences.
190 tonymctigue : Personally, I think UA/CO are far more qualified to operate SNN-ORD than EI. Hopefully we will see SNN-ORD back some day. Unfortunately, as you right
191 Post contains links sawtooth : Ryanair increasing Summer and Christmas fees. Very sneaky, no one remembers these fees. http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1208/ryanair-business.html
192 Post contains images shamrocka330 : No fuel levies though
193 cipango : Ok, I know that people always say they refuse to fly Ryanair, but secretly do. I think these new charges are disgusting and the government should sta
194 EIBusiness : Any company with a viable business plan can only ever survive on volume based revenues or discounting for so long. Ryanair have been reliant upon vol
195 AmricanShamrok : No nothing on the news or anything. A friend of mine was on the #14 bus from Killarney to Limerick at the time and even the bus driver got out for a
196 BrianDromey : Disgusting, hardly. Absolutely the government should NOT step in, at least specifically to FR. At the end of the day by booking a ticket on FR one en
197 OA260 : I dont think they can step in as people choose if they want to pay. All airlines charge higher fares/fees for peak travel same as tour operators.
198 shamrock604 : New Ryanair base at Billund, Denmark - 19 Routes, 6 new ones, none of them to Ireland.
199 eicvd : They flew DUB-BLL before didn't they? We should still see QI here next summer so.
200 OA260 : Didnt Maersk also once fly some years ago?
201 eicvd : They sure did, or was that to CPH?
202 Post contains images 330guy : Are these even newsworthy anymore, I dont really consider them bases but more "places for airplanes to sleep"
203 shamrock604 : I'm afraid QI schedules are not loaded for next summer... So we may have lost another one! Yes, Maersk did operate with a B737-500.
204 sawtooth : Sunway starting NOC-ADB (Izmir Turkey) charter next Summer, not sure who's operating. Good to see a charter willing to try something new with almost a
205 shamrock604 : Some changes to DL's summer schedule from DUB: The daily service will be 767 operated, and known as the DL091, replacing the 757 service daily, and th
206 kaitak : Do you mean the JFK flight? I had heard that DL was going to operate 330s on this next Summer.
207 shamrock604 : Yes, Sorry, I meant the JFK flight. The 330 rumour came from a typo on another a.net post.
208 bestwestern : Update for other airlines and smaller routes operating at DUB next summer. The BMI Time table for next summer has changed again... The 17:30 ex Heathr
209 dstc47 : Can BM ever leave anything long enough to make an informed decision? Change (and usually not for the better) is their middle name. Back where DL were
210 shamrock604 : Hmmm.. strange! They were touting a capacity increase, with ARN up to daily, and bigger aircraft on OSL just two weeks ago?
211 bestwestern : I was surprised also.
212 shamrock604 : Just had a look in Amadeus. ARN is loaded as 5 weekly, OSL is indeed 2. Perhaps it is just not finalised yet as SAS seem to be playing around quite a
213 bestwestern : My amadeus has ARN x4 weekly DUB Dublin IE [EIDW] ARN Stockholm Arlanda SE [ESSA] SUN 12 Aug 2012 - 19 Aug 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A
214 OA260 : Great to see that NOC are really doing well. I get their emails and unlike some they are actually worth reading !
215 EIBusiness : Just as a heads up - during the coming week there is a risk of disruption to air travel as a result of two major weather impact events, particularly a
216 kaitak : Eek! Batten down the hatches! Tie down small planes (Jetstreams included!)
217 Post contains images shamrock604 : Entirely selfish - but...... thank f**k i'll not be working for that!
218 Post contains images EIBoston : Thanks for the good news Not what I wanted to hear as I am due to fly home on Thursday night from BOS. Hopefully the inbound will get off the ground
219 Eagleboy : Anyone see the impressive advertising by EK in the Sindo today, 4 full pages in the Living section. One full page was the EK route map, showing off th
220 dstc47 : So much for the FR bag charges. Sad to see so little reaction to the massive increase in Dublin Bus fares, due from 1 January, from any persons concer
221 Post contains images EIBusiness : It's only a risk at this stage, albeit a high one and is showing consistently on some of the computer weather models - however, nearer to the time, t
222 Post contains images OA260 : I chose a good time to be away 18c Sunny here Thats nothing compared to here . Athens Airport to downtown used to be EUR3.20 now I paid EUR5.00 . Tim
223 AmricanShamrok : From Dublin and Shannon: AA93 [DUB-ORD] BA1 [LCY-SNN-JFK] BA3 [LCY-SNN-JFK] DL91 [DUB-JFK-BOS] DL123 [SNN-JFK-ATL] DL165 [DUB-JFK-SLC] DL177 [DUB-ATL
224 Post contains images EIBoston : No worries. Yip keeping the fingers crossed. Should make for a fast crossing maybe
225 Post contains links kaitak : Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas! (by kaitak Dec 11 2011 in Civil Aviation) 24/11 is now ready to roll!
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