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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 95  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22078 times:

The fact that Mallaya is unable to get a private investor makes me uneasy about LIC buying any stake. The banks, who collectively own 23%, bought their stake by turning some of the debt into equity at a much higher price than the current share price. It is looking more like a backdoor bailout to me with Mallaya using his influence with GOI to put pressure on banks and LIC to buy equity. Link to the blog below:
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/...nudges-lic-to-buy-10-stake-in.html

Quote:
In an interesting turn of events, the government has decided to ask the Life Insurance Corporation (LIC) to consider picking up 10 per cent stake in the troubled Kingfisher Airlines.

“The government has asked LIC to consider it, but the final decision will be taken by the insurer,” said an official familiar with the development. “If a company like LIC, the largest domestic institutional investor, puts money in Kingfisher Airlines, it will give confidence to the lenders as well,” he added

Going by the present market valuation, it could be quite a buy for LIC, as the airline’s share price has tanked 62 per cent in the current financial year to Rs 24.95($5) a share on Friday from Rs 66.05 on April 1. Going by the present market value, LIC would be required to invest Rs 124 crore($25 million) for 10 per cent stake. An LIC official said the institution was yet to take a call but it was an option.

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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22017 times:

What is the value of Kingfishers assets?


What the...?
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22001 times:

As per recent reporting (Sept. 2011), the book value of Kingfisher equity is around $480 million. Its outstanding long-term loan is about three times its equity. Going by the reported valuation of 10% stake for LIC, market value of its equity should be around $250 million.

However, all of its equity value(book) is driven by $650 million of deferred tax asset on its book. If the company is liquidated, and not bought by an investor who can utilise the deferred tax asset, the company ends up with negative equity(book value terms).


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 21884 times:

A blog speculates about an investor for Kingfisher.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/...ngfishers-latest-white-knight.html

Quote:
The latest to "join" the race is Malvinder Singh, promoter of financial services firm, Religare, and healthcare company Fortis. Speculation is rife that Singh is likely to invest in Kingfisher. Religare, owned by Malvinder and his brother Shivinder, already runs an aviation arm, Religare Voyages, a chartered flight operator. Recently, the civil aviation ministry issued a no-objection certificate to Religare Voyages and the company is likely to start operations soon.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21855 times:

Govt may infuse 30,000cr into AI

The report says:
"....panel of secretaries has voted in favour of providing support of Rs 30,000 crore to Air India besides exploring the possibility of disinvesting government stake once it turns profitable."

Another report Govt may consider strategic sale of Air India after turnaround

I have doubts as to how the privatisation of AI, especially after Govt infusing such a lot of money and then selling it, will happen at all considering the imminent resistance against it, especially from within the Ministry.

Fingers crossed!



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21849 times:
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Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 4):
The report says:
"....panel of secretaries has voted in favour of providing support of Rs 30,000 crore to Air India besides exploring the possibility of disinvesting government stake once it turns profitable."
Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 4):
I have doubts as to how the privatisation of AI, especially after Govt infusing such a lot of money and then selling it,

Looking at the last four words in the quote you provided I wouldn't think that we need to give too much thought to privatisation any time soon.



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 21724 times:

DIPP circulates draft Cabinet note on 26% FDI in airlines by foreign carriers. Anyone have an idea how long this approval process will take?
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-carriers/articleshow/10830926.cms

Quote:
With Kingfisher and several other airlines landing into dire straits, the Industry Ministry has moved a draft Cabinet note on allowing 26 per cent FDI by foreign airlines in the domestic carriers.

The DIPP feels anything below 26 per cent would not attract strategic investment from the foreign airlines. Investor with 26 per cent or more holding is considered strategic, as he can have say in the policy decision of a corporate entity under the Indian company laws. An investor with 26 per cent support can block a special resolution in board of directors for policy change.

At present, FDI in domestic passenger airlines is allowed up to 49 per cent by overseas entities, other than the foreign airlines. Non-resident Indians can invest 100 per cent. "Obviously the policy has not worked and it needs changes..." the official said.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21546 times:

It seems that Indigo is not happy with the recent proposal to help struggling carriers by relaxation of ban on foreign airline investment in Indian carriers. It is understandable that Indigo would like to see Kingfisher get weaker and not be helped by a foreign airline.

However, the GOI's proposal to relax ownership rules will be beneficial for the aviation industry and consumers in the long run. Even a well run and profitable airline like Indigo may benefit from this proposal in the future.

http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/...nment-shouldnt-put-premium-on.html

Quote by co-founder of Indigo:
"I feel strongly about it that just because certain constituents of the industry may have issues with their business, the government is prepared to go as far as changing policy. It almost sounds like we are sponsoring premium on inefficiency and I principally struggle with that."


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21510 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
However, the GOI's proposal to relax ownership rules will be beneficial for the aviation industry and consumers in the long run. Even a well run and profitable airline like Indigo may benefit from this proposal in the future.

I agree. So far, it seems like AI has had the inside track to capital. Now, any airline can negotiate financing deals of their own.

It's not a huge step...but it's a good start.



What the...?
User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21458 times:

How are the Q400's working out for Spicejet so far? Is the dispatch reliability what the carrier expects? Also, does anyone know if Spicejet will exercise the options on the additional 15 options they posses?

Cheers,
CRJ900X


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21448 times:

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 9):
How are the Q400's working out for Spicejet so far? Is the dispatch reliability what the carrier expects? Also, does anyone know if Spicejet will exercise the options on the additional 15 options they posses?

Don't know anything about dispatch reliability, but it has been reported that SpiceJet has gained market share due to induction of Q400s.

Indian domestic market is growing at 18% and SpiceJet's strategy of utilising Q400s to connect 2nd tier cities to metros and other 2nd tier cities through a hub like HYD should pay dividends in the long run.

I don't know if SpiceJet has considered CS300, but given 189 seats in its B738, I wonder if it could use a 145 seat CS300 for some long/thin routes many years down the road.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21411 times:

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 9):
How are the Q400's working out for Spicejet so far?

Are all the Q400s to be deployed only in and around South India? What about the North and more importantly the East? Till now the only LCC running turboprops on the eastern routes were KF Red but with they changing to full fledged KF, I wonder whether SG will make a go at these North-Eastern airports.
The Q400s seem a good marketing bet, esp for an LCC like SG....   



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 21311 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 10):
I don't know if SpiceJet has considered CS300, but given 189 seats in its B738, I wonder if it could use a 145 seat CS300 for some long/thin routes many years down the road.

Would make better sense to go for 150 seater 737-700 given commonality pilot training costs etc, however the modern CS300 may have its advantages but i bet the family benefits of the 73G will far out way the disadvantages to the CS300 maybe you can do one of your famous analysis assuming a fleet size of 10

Karan


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 21202 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12):
Would make better sense to go for 150 seater 737-700 given commonality pilot training costs etc, however the modern CS300 may have its advantages but i bet the family benefits of the 73G will far out way the disadvantages to the CS300 maybe you can do one of your famous analysis assuming a fleet size of 10

I agree with you that commonality will be a major factor in favor of B73G(MAX) if SpiceJet were to ever consider 140-150 seat aircraft. But I can also see the possibility of an aggressive BBD offering a great deal to gain traction with a large order from SpiceJet.

B73G(MAX) is expected to weigh 7,000-8,000 lbs.(9-10%) more than CS300 with additional disadvantages of a lower tsfc engine along with inferior aerodynamics. Even with 5 seat advantage to B73G(MAX), I expect CS300 to have a GSM(gallon seat mile) and GTM(gallon ton mile) that is lower by about 13%. That, IMO, is a large enough advantage to offset commonality issue if the fleet size is around 15-20.

An 150 seat aircraft can also be an excellent platform to connect many 2nd tier cities in India with destinations in ME(DXB), SE(SIN,BKK) and NE(HKG) Asia.

I have not done the analysis, but I wouldn't be surprised if CS300 has competitive numbers against the much larger B738(MAX) accounting for its lower GSM and weight related airport charges.


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21083 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 11):
Are all the Q400s to be deployed only in and around South India? What about the North and more importantly the East?

SG was supposed to start in the West - intra Gujarat flights - by Dec 9, but there seems to be no kind of publicity on that front , so it seems to be delayed/cancelled. Maybe BLR will get the Q400s before AMD.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 20877 times:

DEL rumored to be one of the destinations Alitalia may return to next year in related thread.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20696 times:



G-BMRJ is BLR Based for Three Months......



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20570 times:

PM promises help to embattled private airlines, remains silent on direct investments by foreign carriers. It doesn't seem that PM is inclined to fast track foreign airline investment proposal, so Mallaya and others would have to look to local investors or non-airline foreign investors for now.
Link to the blog:
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/...ses-help-to-embattled-private.html

Quote:
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh promised to help the bosses of India's embattled private airlines but stopped short of commenting on a key demand of at least three of them - permission for investments by foreign airlines. The PM said the matter was under consideration, said an official who attended the meeting on Saturday.

The half-an-hour meeting began at 10:45 am at Singh's residence, 7 Race Course Road, and was attended by IndiGo promoter Rahul Bhatia and president Aditya Ghosh, Jet Chairman Naresh Goyal, Kingfisher Airlines CEO Sanjay Aggarwal, SpiceJet CEO Neil Mills, GoAir promoter Jeh Wadia and government officials.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20488 times:

Ajit Singh likely to get civil aviation portfolio. Does anyone have a feel for his worldview on economic policy?
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/...-likely-to-get-civil-aviation.html

Quote:
The Congress party and the Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) are likely to soon announce a pre-poll alliance, an arrangement that could see RLD chief Ajit Singh getting the civil aviation portfolio, two Congress leaders told ET on the condition of anonymity. A formal announcement could be made in the next couple of weeks, they said.

Singh, whose party is influential in Western UP, is believed to have asked for a significant Cabinet portfolio for himself and has indicated a preference for either commerce and industry, food and civil supplies or civil aviation, the leaders quoted earlier said.


User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20474 times:

How about planning a get together for the 100th Part? I think that we have earned it.

User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20430 times:

Ajit Singh like his father Choudhary Charan Singh is an "Aaya Ram Gaaya Ram" (In X party today, in Y party tomorrow) type.

His appointment as Civil Aviation ministry is not going to be of any benefit to the industry. The Congress is eying the next Assembly elections in UP. His likely appointment as the minister is just a quid pro quo to buy his support in UP.



An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20338 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
I expect CS300 to have a GSM(gallon seat mile) and GTM(gallon ton mile) that is lower by about 13%. That, IMO, is a large enough advantage to offset commonality issue if the fleet size is around 15-20.

An 150 seat aircraft can also be an excellent platform to connect many 2nd tier cities in India with destinations in ME(DXB), SE(SIN,BKK) and NE(HKG) Asia.

No arguments on the fact that SJ does require a 150 seater but unless the cs300 offers a lot more in commanility and comes at a sweet deal like the q400s i dont see SJ going for them, but as of both aircraft are far from first flight

With regards to tier 2 city flights to GCC and SE i dont believe that one can make a profitable operation out of that unless you are on bigger aircrafts as these are very low yield markets .however they might make sense from major cities just like AI and IT now operate 319s and 320s to Singapore from BOM and in some cases larger capacity aircraft from tier 2 cities

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
have not done the analysis, but I wouldn't be surprised if CS300 has competitive numbers against the much larger B738(MAX) accounting for its lower GSM and weight related airport charges

A mere 4 tonne weight difference does not give it any landing benefits unless the entire airport charging structure changes as both have MTOW in excess of 50 tonnes

Karan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20196 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18):

Make an Aviator the MoCA...........



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20187 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 22):
Make an Aviator the MoCA...........

next elections if NDA come to power (very unilikey) then Rudy stands a chance...........

any aviators in the UPA.........


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 20144 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 20):
His appointment as Civil Aviation ministry is not going to be of any benefit to the industry. The Congress is eying the next Assembly elections in UP. His likely appointment as the minister is just a quid pro quo to buy his support in UP.

Unlikely, the story writer is a very 'hit-miss' reporter IMHO

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 23):
any aviators in the UPA.........

Rahul gandhi and Sachin Pilot's fathers were for whatever that is worth

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Vayalar Ravi's opposition to FDI in retail and his general attitude lately makes me wonder whether airline FDI will be allowed, in teh current environment FDI seems to have become a very dirty word



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 25, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 20311 times:

Recently while landing at MAA I noticed six IT ATR-72's and a A319/320 (couldn't make out clearly) on the remote ramp. I also noticed a very forlorn looking Paramount Embraer E-190 still lying around. Any idea what will happen to these birds?


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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 20268 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 24):
Rahul gandhi and Sachin Pilot's fathers were for whatever that is worth

Rajiv Gandhi was a pilot with Indian Airlines before being forced to jump into politics! Even on the day of his assassination, he himself piloted the plane to Sripenumbedur!

Quoting Cricket (Reply 24):
Vayalar Ravi's opposition to FDI in retail and his general attitude lately makes me wonder whether airline FDI will be allowed, in teh current environment FDI seems to have become a very dirty word

Vayalar Ravi just seems like trouble for the already troubled industry. I just wish portfolio's such as this were reserved for technocrats..


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 27, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

Finance Ministry supports 26% FDI in aviation. Will the GOI have the inclination to move forward given the opposition to FDI decision for retail sector.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...e-ministry-supports-26-fdi-in.html

Quote:
Amidst differences within the industry, the Finance Ministry has lent its support to the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotions (DIPP) on allowing foreign airlines to pick up up to 26 per cent equity in domestic airlines. Once various ministries give their views, this proposal will be sent to the Cabinet for final decision.

The 26 per cent limit is considered to be a better option for any foreign investor as it allows veto rights in board decisions. The 24 per cent limit makes an investor an ordinary shareholder without veto powers on the board of the airline.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 28, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20062 times:

Kingfisher Airlines in talks with local investor: Vijay Mallya. It is hard to imagine a local investor who would take less than 26% stake which under Indian company rules provides a veto power over board decision.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...-airlines-in-talks-with-local.html

Quote:
Kingfisher Airlines is still in talks with a potential local investor to raise funds, its chairman said Friday, even as woes mounted for the cash strapped carrier with a major airport set to stop facilities on credit.

"That's going on," Vijay Mallya said on Friday in televised comments, in response to a query on whether he was talking to a local investor. "I know that you are in a hurry to fix a timeline for it, but things do take time, particularly negotiations," he told reporters in New Delhi after a meeting with India's finance minister.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 29, posted (2 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 19858 times:

Mallya's 'associate' white knight for Kingfisher. It is also being reported that GOI is unlikely to approve 26% foreign airline stake in Indian carriers given the political fall out from its decision on opening up retail sector to foreign investment.

http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...as-associate-white-knight-for.html

Quote:
Vijay Mallya recently said he would tide over the crisis in Kingfisher Airlines with the help of some associates for whom he created wealth in the past.

Though the UB Group chairman didn’t name anybody, some of these associates could be the owners of Balaji Distilleries, whose breweries and distilleries were acquired by UB Group companies — United Spirits and United Breweries — during the last financial year. These associates during the past few months have invested a little over Rs 700 crore as part of the promoters’ equity infusion into Kingfisher Airlines and there are indications they may support the airline further.


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19758 times:

Good Morning / Afternoon / Evening, does anyone here know the state of construction at CCU & MAA. I read somewhere recently that there have been some delays. When I was last there in March both projects looked to be on track for completion by years' end. What happened in the interim?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19754 times:

Air China launch BOM as Shanghai–Chengdu–Mumbai from 2 May, 4 weekly A319.

User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19698 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 27):
Finance Ministry supports 26% FDI in aviation. Will the GOI have the inclination to move forward given the opposition to FDI decision for retail sector.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 29):
It is also being reported that GOI is unlikely to approve 26% foreign airline stake in Indian carriers given the political fall out from its decision on opening up retail sector to foreign investment.

Hard to say how politicians think, but the retail sector FDI is an issue that could be highly politicised by the opposition and taken to the streets as "look how we're fighting for the poor farmers and shop owners" sort of thing......and that's what they ended up doing.....

When it comes to civil aviation, I doubt if that's an issue that would really stir the passions of the common man.....given the state of affairs at AI, it may be the most prudent thing to do (opening up the FDI)......but the major opposition would come from the AI/IC unions, who see any change as a threat to their existence.....then local political parties could pick up the cause and make a mess of it as usual......I pity the GoI sometimes - do it and you're screwed, don't do it and you're still screwed!


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3224 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19609 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 31):

Air China launch BOM as Shanghai–Chengdu–Mumbai from 2 May, 4 weekly A319.

Hmm - just like their BLR route - same stop, same a/c type!



Latest Trip Report - GoAir BLR-BOM-BLR
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 19399 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 33):
Quoting 777way (Reply 31):

Air China launch BOM as Shanghai–Chengdu–Mumbai from 2 May, 4 weekly A319.

Hmm - just like their BLR route - same stop, same a/c type!

I'm surprised that Air China didn't start a non-stop between either Beijing/Shanghai and Mumbai, the market is there - just see any SQ or CX flight



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19307 times:

Have Air India parked up one of their B777-200LRs? VT-ALA hasn't been seen on ACARS for months.

User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19205 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 30):
Good Morning / Afternoon / Evening, does anyone here know the state of construction at CCU & MAA. I read somewhere recently that there have been some delays. When I was last there in March both projects looked to be on track for completion by years' end. What happened in the interim?

Hey guys, does anyone have any updates?


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 37, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18978 times:

Ajit Singh lands civil aviation berth.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...gh-lands-civil-aviation-berth.html

Quote:
Ajit Singh is set to become a Cabinet minister — for a fourth time, and now at 72. The Rashtriya Lok
Dal (RLD) chief from Western Uttar Pradesh will get the civil aviation portfolio later this week when he will be sworn in.

The Meerut-born Jat leader, an engineer-turned-politician, has previously been a minister for industry, food and agriculture — albeit all under different governments: National Front, Congress and the BJP.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18966 times:

Yet another MoCA...... a technocrat farmer......... lets see what new 'seeds will he sow' for the aviation industry in India....

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 39, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18917 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 36):
Good Morning / Afternoon / Evening, does anyone here know the state of construction at CCU & MAA. I read somewhere recently that there have been some delays. When I was last there in March both projects looked to be on track for completion by years' end. What happened in the interim?

Hey guys, does anyone have any updates?

I flew into MAA recently and work seemed going apace - I think the Chennai Metro is being planned with an Airport connection from the ground up. No work evident towards a second runway at Chennai. New terminal seems like a year off at the earliest, if a Delhi-like pace is followed



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18830 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 39):
I flew into MAA recently and work seemed going apace - I think the Chennai Metro is being planned with an Airport connection from the ground up. No work evident towards a second runway at Chennai. New terminal seems like a year off at the earliest, if a Delhi-like pace is followed

Thanks for the info Cricket! That seems to be almost the same level of construction that was evident in March. At that time the terminal also seemed about a year away. That's unfortunate. What about CCU? I know construction can be delayed anywhere but in a country where labour is plentiful & weather conditions are generally favourable, what causes these massive delays? Clearly the CWG 2010 showed us that India can roll up sleeves & put things together quickly when needed


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18813 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 40):
I know construction can be delayed anywhere but in a country where labour is plentiful & weather conditions are generally favourable, what causes these massive delays? Clearly the CWG 2010 showed us that India can roll up sleeves & put things together quickly when needed

Haha....weather and labor has nothing much to do with it.....there are loooooots of other factors in India that can slow down such work......most projects run wayyyy behuind schedule, unless there's political ego involved (such as for the CWG)......I can list several such projects....


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18791 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 41):
Haha....weather and labor has nothing much to do with it.....there are loooooots of other factors in India that can slow down such work......most projects run wayyyy behuind schedule, unless there's political ego involved (such as for the CWG)......I can list several such projects....

LOL, ok. So you are saying that there is a lack of political will to make these happen? That's too bad.  

CCU & MAA are both behind the curve when it comes to airports in India. CCU's chances of becoming an international destination are probably gone but MAA still has a chance to be a tourist & business gateway. It strikes me as odd that the TN State or Union government there would not see the airport development as vital to the economy's success. As the airport is owned by the AAI, the construction oversight must be in the central government's hands right?


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18677 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 42):
LOL, ok. So you are saying that there is a lack of political will to make these happen? That's too bad.

CCU & MAA are both behind the curve when it comes to airports in India. CCU's chances of becoming an international destination are probably gone but MAA still has a chance to be a tourist & business gateway. It strikes me as odd that the TN State or Union government there would not see the airport development as vital to the economy's success. As the airport is owned by the AAI, the construction oversight must be in the central government's hands right?

Well, it's not always the govt. projects that get stuck....even private sector projects just go on and on.....take the Versova - Ghatkopar light rail in Mumbai, being lead by the Reliance group........already two years behind schedule, although the local municipality has literally closed some key roads on the route to enable construction.....many more such projects can be listed....as you point out, unless the State govt. realises the importance of the airport to the economy, results will not be seen.....if they're too busy spending funds to build their vote banks elsewhere in the state, airport projects will always lag behind schedules....maybe I'm making it sound too simplistic, but that's sort of how it works.....


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18557 times:

I flew through Calcutta airport last week, and took these photos. Air India and the Calcutta airport authorities ought to be ashamed of themselves! No point getting shiny new airplanes and building new terminals if we can't get the basics right!



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An amidst this filth, like an oasis, the check in counter of GMG Airlines, a small Bangladesh-based airline. Shame on Air India!




Can Air India and the AAI be shamed into doing something about this???


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18537 times:

And IT ran into problems well before the recent meltdown... this is a picture of a "stored" IT A320 (ex-Deccan) I took in DEL back in April this year!

IT A320 parked at DEL, looks visibly damaged.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18424 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 44):
Air India and the Calcutta airport authorities ought to be ashamed of themselves! No point getting shiny new airplanes and building new terminals if we can't get the basics right!

Sorry, but more goons than airport officials run CCU, looting and bribing their way through the administration.

In short, AI is a shame to Indian airlines and CCU is a shame to Indian airports.

In fact the thought the above pictures could have been worse 



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 47, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18364 times:

A new Civil Aviation Minister - who probably desperate to make money will sell away further rights to foreign carriers, I expect to see A380's in droves next year in DEL at least


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 48, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18230 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 47):
A new Civil Aviation Minister - who probably desperate to make money will sell away further rights to foreign carriers, I expect to see A380's in droves next year in DEL at least

I expect the same. As much as I dislike corruption, the end result for the flying public is more choice and perhaps lower prices. I wish the new minister would also be willing to assign some of the unutilized route rights that AI is holding on to Indian private carriers.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18124 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 48):
I wish the new minister would also be willing to assign some of the unutilized route rights that AI is holding on to Indian private carriers.

I have a feeling that the previous minister was holding back assignments particularly to Indigo who have a A320 join their fleet every month, they want to start international from MAA, CCU and BLR as well as add a few mid-east and south-east asia services from DEL and BOM. Will not be surprised if BKK goes double-daily from both these cities as IT has effectively withdrawn from this sector.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18073 times:

A question about the Delhi fog......how well are 9W's A330s equipped to operate in and out of DEL during heavy fog? Do they have the equipment and the training to maintain normal ops or will they face hours of delays....?

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18051 times:

Wasn't 9W supposed to launch new European destinations in 2012?

Seems like there are no more specific details yet so far.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 52, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17938 times:

Kingfisher slips to No. 5 in market share.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...isher-slips-to-no-5-in-market.html

Quote:
Cash-strapped Kingfisher's fight for survival by cutting flights - and hence costs - has severely dented its market position. Now, Kingfisher with a 14% share is ahead only of GoAir's 6.2%.

The leading players are now consolidating their position by gaining from Kingfisher's loss. Naresh Goyal's Jet group remains the biggest player in domestic market with Jet and JetLite together enjoying a 27.1% share in November . Rahul Bhatia's Indi-Go is second with 19.8%, followed by Air India (domestic) at 17.4%.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 53, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17833 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 52):
Quote:
Cash-strapped Kingfisher's fight for survival by cutting flights - and hence costs - has severely dented its market position. Now, Kingfisher with a 14% share is ahead only of GoAir's 6.2%.

Even if Kingfisher was to 'reform' and get out of where they have fallen, I doubt they will manage to rescue themselves



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 54, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17627 times:

Govt veering towards 26% FDI ceiling in aviation. Emirates could use partial control over one of the Indian carriers to feed more passengers to its Dubai hub, as it is bumping up against the bilateral seat restrictions.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...ing-towards-26-fdi-ceiling-in.html

Quote:
The government is done with inter-ministerial consultations on allowing foreign airlines to pick up stakes in Indian carriers, crossing even the Sebi takeover hurdle. Top official sources told DNA that the proposal is now ready and there is a broad consensus on capping the investment limit at 26%. “There is also a view that foreign airlines could be allowed to pick up more than 26% stake,” the sources said without elaborating.

One of the concerns voiced by some Cabinet ministers earlier is Indian skies would become the monopoly of Gulf-based carriers like Emirates if these are allowed to invest in loss-making domestic airlines. “Which airlines in the world are cash rich or have the ability to acquire Indian carriers? Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines have the money to invest. But there are major security concerns relating to Gulf-based airlines as well as those from China,” a senior Cabinet minister had said.


User currently offlineixemctdca From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17610 times:

Just saw this posted on NDTV, regarding a homegrown 100 seater aircraft.

I wonder if they will be able to meet their 5 year target.



-ixemctdca
User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17411 times:

About two days back, an AI flight from YYZ - DEL ran into technical trouble at YYZ, stranding a couple of hundred passengers.....I watched the usual interviews on local TV, with upset passengers going on record saying how AI spoiled their holiday plans, etc.....

Today (just 6 hours back), I was at YYZ to receive a relative coming in on the daily 9W flight......while waiting, we went up to the departure area to get a view of the planes and while we were there, a young lady with a cameraman in tow, came around asking if any of us were AI passengers....at first I thought they were AI staff, but on looking closely, realised that they were from a local TV station......they were openly hunting around for irate AI passengers to give a juicy interview for their evening news......quite disgusting, I felt....

This is where AI probably loses the race.....they've never have good PR with the local media anywhere and when something goes wrong like this, the media has a field day......it's not like other airlines don't have problems and cancellations, it's just the way they handle the situation when things go wrong.......really wonder when AI will learn from their mistakes.....


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 57, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17355 times:

I give AI the gears as much as the next guy but any airline is going to have tech delays sometimes..and it's never going to make passengers happy.

Most local media have turned into carnage vultures, doing lazy circles over anything they think can get them the next juicy and gory scoop. Every time I watch local news, I want to throw my tv through a window.

The only news show I watch is The Daily Show.



What the...?
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 58, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17267 times:

Just adding this link for a good laugh
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/s...-to-fly-from-kolkata/1/166087.html
JL to CCU and BA coming back.... hahahahahahaha



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17180 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 58):
JL to CCU and BA coming back.... hahahahahahaha

To Mamta Banerjee and her herd of Ministers - On that note even Wal Mart and Starbucks are 'keen' to come to Bengal and every other state. We'll believe it when we see it. allright?

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 57):
The only news show I watch is The Daily Show.

Count me in too!!  Jon Stewart's witty take on politics makes more sense than the biased media world.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 60, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16937 times:

GOI proposes about $6.2 billion aid for Air India by 2017, of which $3.75 billion is in the form of equity infusion and the rest is for aircraft acquisition. Pubic sector banks will be asked to convert some $1.5 billion in loans into equity.

In the near term, it will strengthen AI's balance sheet but I am not optimistic that the necessary structural changes that need to happen at AI for long term viability will occur as long as AI is a public sector company. One can only hope that the next central govt. after the election will be bold enough to privatise AI.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...poses-rs-33000-cr-aid-for-air.html


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 61, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16776 times:

Wishing everyone a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

Air service to Tirupati from Gujarat to be launched soon. It is not clear if it is a seasonal service.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/...e-to-tirupati-from-gujarat-to.html
Quote:
Vadodara: Devotees from Ahemadabad, Surat and Vadodara could now fly directly to temple town of Tirupati in Andhra Pradesh with the announcement to launch the air service by two private airlines. "Andhra Pradesh Tourism Development Corporation (APTDC) in collaboration with Jet Airways and Spicejet will soon launch an air package tour to Tirupati," said APTDC general manager Sumeet Singh last evening.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 62, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16672 times:

Quoting ixemctdca (Reply 55):

Just saw this posted on NDTV, regarding a homegrown 100 seater aircraft.

I wonder if they will be able to meet their 5 year target.

This country needs a home built 100 seater.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 63, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16649 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 62):

I don't know. There are lots of industries India can really grow but another 100 seater in the market doesn't seem like good value for the billions it would take. Most of the customers would be Indian so I can't see it having anything more than a net zero benefit.

I think there is much more benefit to allowing the airlines properly grow and compete with each other and internationally. India has huge potential to be a major worldwide force in the airline industry...without having an airliner industry.



What the...?
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 16604 times:

There was talk about HAL building a 76 seater high speed prop to compete with the Q...
I think that would be a valuable addition to the Indian market. A 100 seater jet which will probably not be able to compete at all with the C Series? Not so much...



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 65, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16420 times:

Noticed the BA B748F at BOM yesterday.looked good.


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 66, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16333 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 64):

There was talk about HAL building a 76 seater high speed prop to compete with the Q...
I think that would be a valuable addition to the Indian market. A 100 seater jet which will probably not be able to compete at all with the C Series? Not so much...

Let HAL deliver the LCA first and then talk.



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User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 67, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16300 times:

Does anyone have a breakdown of Air India's fleet as of 1 January 2012? Are there planes that have been retired, temporarily parked and inactive? And what are the types (and number) that are still on order?

Many thanks.

KC Sim


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 68, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16086 times:

Unsafe for Kingfisher Airlines to fly; valid reason to withdraw licence, says DGCA.

http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...says-dgca/articleshow/11369138.cms
Quote:
DGCA chief Bharat Bhushan finalized the financial surveillance report on December 28, 2011, which says it was unsafe for cash-strapped Kingfisher Airlines to fly and should be wound up. The report says: "A reasonable case exists for withdrawal of their (Kingfisher's) airline operator permit (licence) as their financial stress is likely to impinge on safety."The report, which has been accessed by TOI, suggests similar steps against Air India Express. It says, "A prima facie case exists for restricting their operations in view of safety issues." The audit of the almost bankrupt Air India is still on, but the DGCA has found "major financial distress issues" with Jet Airways, JetLite, SpiceJet and GoAir. The reports also talks of "some rapid growth issues" about IndiGo.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16061 times:

Do you think the DGCA would have the courage to pull the operating certificate like that?

The article mentions an IT aircraft being looted for parts - I wonder if it's the same frame that is pictured in reply #45 above.

Seems like somebody needs to go out of business, for the sake of everybody else.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 70, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15983 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 69):
Do you think the DGCA would have the courage to pull the operating certificate like that?

I don't think so.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 69):
Seems like somebody needs to go out of business, for the sake of everybody else.

Agree. AI would have gone out of business but for the subsidies. Sadly, AI's presence is hurting the rest of the industry and has affected the profitability of all private carriers. I hope there is some resolution after the next central election.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 63):
I think there is much more benefit to allowing the airlines properly grow and compete with each other and internationally. India has huge potential to be a major worldwide force in the airline industry...without having an airliner industry.

Agree. I hope GOI goes the route of a JV if it does decide to invest in airliner industry. Russia has offered joint production of SSJ and MS series.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 15890 times:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...er-regulator-idUSL3E8C5DPM20120105
Looks like the DGCA is concerned with practically every airline in India...

on a related note, does anyone know how I can get my hands on the report? The DGCA's website is one of the biggest messes I have ever seen...



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 72, posted (2 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 15776 times:

Looks like DGCA is not going to revoke anyone's operating certificate.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-aviation/articleshow/11378775.cms

Kingfisher Airlines in default, a non-performing asset: SBI
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...asset-sbi/articleshow/11378304.cms
Quote:
"Kingfisher has been unable to pay their dues. And since December 31 it has become a NPA," said SBI's chairman Pratip Chaudhuri. The outstanding exposure of the bank is Rs 1,580 crore and bank will now have to make a provisioning of around Rs 250 -280 crore, he added/

Kingfisher Airlines has an outstanding loan of around Rs 6,419 crore and banks have indicated that there are no plans to carry out a second round of debt restructuring of the ailing airline.

If the account is termed as an NPA, it will be referred to the corporate debt restructuring (CDR) cell, which will have to take a call on the way forward.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 73, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15618 times:

I wonder how he is going to arrange any funding to keep his promise. One possibility is to force public sector banks to convert most of the debt into equity to reduce interest burden. It is entirely possible that politicians can put pressure on public sector banks/financial institutions to carry out a swap.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/01/...singh-promises-not-to-let-any.html

Quote:
Civil Aviation Minister Ajit Singh has promised to stand by the struggling aviation sector and not let any airline wind up due to financial difficulties or safety concerns, raising hopes of a safe landing after months of turbulence for the country's loss-making carriers.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 74, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15582 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 73):

It seems to me that the problem is not so much that some airlines are losing money, it's that they are being kept alive at the expense of airlines which have the real potential to succeed.

So instead of a few airlines going under so others could grow, all airlines are being held back so that funds and effort can be wasted on a few.



What the...?
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15520 times:

Air India cleared for restructuring plan:

http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/0700...BI-clears-Air-India-recast-pl.html

Quote:
The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has approved state-owned Air India Ltd’s financial restructuring plan and asked it to complete the process by 20 March, clearing the way for the airline to seek government funds of up to Rs 30,000 crore spread over the next 10 years.

The central bank has agreed to the additional requirements sought by lenders and allowed relaxations that will help Air India tide over the current crisis, according to two government officials who declined to be named. The plan will allow Air India to save up to Rs 1,000 crore on an annual basis, according to them.

“RBI has given its final go-ahead. The clearance came today. The cabinet note will be circulated shortly,” said one of the officials on Friday.
The central bank had given an in-principle approval to the plan in November and asked the banks to hold talks with the airline management. The final series of talks ended on Thursday at Air India’s Nariman Point headquarters in Mumbai. The banks led by SBI Capital Markets Ltd had in turn asked for some additional cushion since the loan moratorium was very high.

RBI has agreed to allow banks to make provisions on their balance sheets for a five-year period instead of the three-year period proposed earlier that the lenders were not comfortable with. The recast plan proposes that banks should be allowed to carry the debt on their books as performing assets. This is because once debt is classified as non-performing, banks are required to set aside money towards it.

Apart from this, the interest rate during the period will be lowered to 11% from the benchmark 16%. Preferential shares will also be issued to the banks that will be redeemable from the 15th and 20th year onwards.

RBI has, however, linked the restructuring plan to a commitment from the government of equity infusion of about Rs 30,000 crore spread over 10 years, of which Rs 6,750 crore will be the first instalment, said the same official cited above.

Air India has received a total of Rs 3,200 crore in equity infusion over three years. The airline has short-term debt of Rs 27,000 crore. In addition, it has borrowed Rs 42,000 crore to buy aircraft.

...



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 76, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15490 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 75):
The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has approved state-owned Air India Ltd’s financial restructuring plan and asked it to complete the process by 20 March, clearing the way for the airline to seek government funds of up to Rs 30,000 crore spread over the next 10 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong...my attempt at conversion adds up to about 5.6 billion dollars...is that right?



What the...?
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 77, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15585 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 76):
Correct me if I'm wrong...my attempt at conversion adds up to about 5.6 billion dollars...is that right?

Yes, it is. This bailout translates to nearly $300,000 per employee.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 78, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15577 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 77):
Yes, it is. This bailout translates to nearly $300,000 per employee.

Incredible, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to shut the airline down and pay out the staff?



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 79, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

That completely boggles the mind...and Kingfisher is probably in line for cash next.


What the...?
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 80, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15429 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 78):
Incredible, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to shut the airline down and pay out the staff?

I am sure most employees would readily agree to such a deal, but is highly unlikely that the GOI will make such an offer.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 79):
That completely boggles the mind...and Kingfisher is probably in line for cash next.

Kingfisher already has received backdoor bailout when the banks were forced to swap debt for equity at extremely favorable terms to Kingfisher. Kingfisher is looking for additional swaps, but the banks are balking. The banks are looking for fresh equity from Kingfisher before they would consider additional swap.

It is being reported that the aviation ministry is in favor of upto 49% equity stake for foreign airlines. If it goes through, perhaps IAG(BA) may take a large enough stake and run the company along with the domestic banks(or a new domestic investor).


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15422 times:

The banks must regret ever getting involved.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 82, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 81):

I don't think they volunteered...I think they were told to get involved.



What the...?
User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15395 times:

Will IT stay afloat through April? I'm booked on them to fly DEL-IXC then.

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 84, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15365 times:

Can't find my original post about it but I wrote a while ago that SpiceJet had a BBJ on order. I've since found out that they cancelled the order and it's now been re-allocated to a private Chinese charter company, Nanshan Jet. This aircraft in question is currently registered N453BJ but will retain SpiceJet's customer code.

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 85, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15193 times:

9W announces DEL - DMM from 17th March, according to the GDS.

9W 568 DEL - DMM 2035 2255 Mo, We, Sa, Su
9W 567 DMM - DEL 2355 0615+1 Mo, We, Sa, Su

Aircraft: B737-800



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 86, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15088 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 84):

Can't find my original post about it but I wrote a while ago that SpiceJet had a BBJ on order. I've since found out that they cancelled the order and it's now been re-allocated to a private Chinese charter company, Nanshan Jet. This aircraft in question is currently registered N453BJ but will retain SpiceJet's customer code.

Quite surprising actually, maybe the airlines owners have decided that they should fix the airline first



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User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 87, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15086 times:

Air India's first B 787 is likely to be delivered by the last week of January or by the first week of February. First a/c to be delivered is VT-ANH.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-pricing-and-configuration-366644/



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 88, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15008 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 45):
And IT ran into problems well before the recent meltdown... this is a picture of a "stored" IT A320 (ex-Deccan) I took in DEL back in April this year!

Was this plane VT-ADR the DGCA report clearly states "The airline is doing cannibalisation of parts e.g. a total of 619 items have been removed from A320 aircraft VT-ADR till 17/11/2011"

VT-ADR is owned by ILFC

[Edited 2012-01-09 07:58:03]


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User currently offlinemk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15017 times:

Any ideas as to where this 787 will fly, to mark its 1st revenue flight?


come fly with me
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 90, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14997 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 87):
Air India's first B 787 is likely to be delivered by the last week of January or by the first week of February.

I'd bet money on this not happening....


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 91, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14845 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 90):

I'd bet money on this not happening....

Looks like a postponement  



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14674 times:

Anyone knows which routes these are plying and how many jets are being painted like this, looks cool though  
9W with Nokia Lumina colors....



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 93, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14663 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 92):
Anyone knows which routes these are plying
http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/VT-JGP/

  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 94, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14560 times:

Signs of tough times & means to earn more revenue through interior & exterior ads.


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 95, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14533 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 65):
Noticed the BA B748F at BOM yesterday.looked good.

She's a beauty, saw her up close on 21DEC in DEL. She was parked at the remote gates normally used for pax aircraft opposite the aerobridges rather than the Cargo Terminal.

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 96, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

DVB Bank says they might repo two of their A320's with Kingfisher
http://m.economictimes.com/news/news...ingfisher/articleshow/11473511.cms

According to DGCA data
http://dgca.nic.in/caris/Reg-Aug06.pdf
These are c/n 3391A320-232 VT-KFL and c/n 3403 A320-232 VT-KFM. I have flown on both aircraft last flying on KFL on a BLR-DEL flight and on KFM on BOM-BHJ-BOM



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 97, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14088 times:

GoM to discuss FDI in aviation today. I am rooting for GoM to approve upto 49% stake by foreign carriers in Indian airlines.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...ion-today/articleshow/11518939.cms

Quote:
A group of ministers will consider a proposal on Tuesday to allow foreign airlines to buy into domestic carriers. Recently, a group of secretaries had recommended allowing foreign carriers to buy up to 49% stake in Indian airlines.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 98, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14083 times:

Does anyone know if Jet's 737-900's VT-JGC/JGD are still operating, they only did DEL-BOM flights if I recall, used to fly on those birds a lot, in fact there were times when I did DEL-BOM regularly that I seemed to only fly one of these two planes. I haven't seen them around too much of late and I remember that 9W was contemplating not keeping them around too long. Given that the type is the smallest 737NG sub-fleet in the world, will they even get a decent price for them?


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User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

Govt favours 49% FDI in aviation, to give Rs 150 crore to Air India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...Air-India/articleshow/11526229.cms

Quote:
Accepting a major demand of the cash-strapped aviation industry, the government on Tuesday said it would soon launch the process to allow foreign airlines 49 per cent stake in Indian carriers.

Will be beneficial to the industry and probably a lifeline for IT. The big question is how soon is the soon.


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 100, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13998 times:

Bunch of foreign airlines pulling out or reducing services:

1. LH pulling out of CCU from Summer Sked
2. AA pulling out of DEL
3. AAX pulling out of DEL & BOM

Grapevine:
1. TG eff. 01SEP will replace its CCU services with Thai Smiles A320s on all services
2. Thai Air Asia iffy about DEL due proposed 340% increase in L&P at IGI.

Not a happy time for foreign airlines in India.

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 101, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 97):
GoM to discuss FDI in aviation today. I am rooting for GoM to approve upto 49% stake by foreign carriers in Indian airlines.

I thought they'd limit it to 24% & make all unhappy  
but if its 49% that would be great.



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13973 times:

Somebody has to put it here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...Kozhikode/articleshow/11518837.cms

what on earth is this? Even TOI can't make up something so weird, so I guess something like this actually happened?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 103, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13805 times:

Whats the update on quikjet.Has the Two ATRs arrived.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 102):
what on earth is this? Even TOI can't make up something so weird, so I guess something like this actually happened?

The true story will be the filtered version though  



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 104, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 102):

Somebody has to put it here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...Kozhikode/articleshow/11518837.cms

what on earth is this? Even TOI can't make up something so weird, so I guess something like this actually happened?

Yup, actually happened



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 105, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13543 times:

Air India blames Praful Patel for big Boeing order. One has to think large "gift baskets" were handed out to many to approve this large order which was, as it turns out, not requested by the airline.
AIhttp://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/01/air-india-blames-praful-patel-for-big.html

Quote:
Air India and Indian Airlines had no "long-term" plans of procuring such a large fleet of aircraft. The officials of NACIL, the body that was formed to oversee the merger of Air India and Indian Airlines, told the PAC that the ministry assured the management of both the carriers that "financial aspects" of the acquisition would be looked after by the ministry.
The officials told the panel that both Air India and Indian Airlines had only short-term agenda of buying aircraft and the ministry's support helped them to revise the plan and go for a "long-term" purchase plan.

Members sought to know from the officials as to who took the decision to buy the aircraft, changing the initial plans. The officials said the decision was taken at the level of the minister and board members and other senior officers of the ministry and carriers were aware of it.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 106, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13462 times:

I wonder how many they'll end up taking.


What the...?
User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13311 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 106):
I wonder how many they'll end up taking.

They'll probably reduce the numbers by haggling with Boeing.....maybe defer the deliveries over the years.....

I expect AI will get rid of the leased A330s and 744s once the initial 787s arrive....where are the A330s being deployed currently?


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13318 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 94):
Signs of tough times & means to earn more revenue through interior & exterior ads.

Just out of curiosity, what is that ad for? It says something like "Lumia 800"  


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 108):
It says something like "Lumia 800"

Nokia Lumia 800........ its a new phone from Nokia with Windows platform


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 110, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 108):

Just out of curiosity, what is that ad for? It says something like "Lumia 800"  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OVSzg9Okw

Decaled at the 9W hangar in BOM.Ad for Nokia's New phone.



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User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13036 times:

PAC slams Air India for acquiring planes through debt

PAC-slams-Air-India-for-acquiring-planes-through-debt/articleshow/11588221.cms" target="_blank">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ough-debt/articleshow/11588221.cms

Quote:
Questioning the timing of merger and fleet acquisition when Air India was under heavy debt, Parliament's Public Accounts Committee has asked the airline to submit all documents related to the issue within a week.

Top officials of Air India and erstwhile Indian Airlines faced some tough questioning by the Parliamentary panel which also slammed them over complaints of poor passenger services.

The grilling was based on a recent CAG report on Civil Aviation which had said that the decision to acquire 111 planes by Air India through debt was "a recipe for disaster" and should have raised an alarm in the government.

Air India officials told the PAC that it was their idea to merge the two carriers as the 'open sky' policy had increased competition in the aviation sector.

They also said that since their fleet at that time was ageing, they had thought of acquiring new planes and believed that merger will provide them greater strength to compete in the new environment.

"They have been asked to submit all documents on merger and fleet acquisition from the conceptual stage onwards to the committee," a member said.

Smart move by MR. PP to leave the sinking boat at the right time. Washing his hands off after slaughtering the beast and leaving it for the people of India to bear the pain. During his prime, I was one among many to consider him as the best aviation minister. I dont want to blame him completely, as there might be many more involved in the process, but he and Thulasidas were the major decision makers.

Had there been proper plan and commitment, the new aircraft could have done wonders to revive AI. There is still commitment from A to Z, but for their own individual benefits. Wish to see AI flying high and green in the long future. Am I asking for moon and stars is altogether a different story and only future holds the secret.
     


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 112, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12988 times:

Plan panel to allocate nearly $1 billion to develop civilian plane, and recommend that a JV be set up with private equity participation for both development and production phase.

Is this a turboprop? If yes. I wonder if Bombardier or ATR would be interested in a JV?

http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/01/...el-to-allocate-rs-5k-crore-to.html
Quote:
CSIR's ambitious plans to develop a 90-seater passenger aircraft are set to get a boost with the Planning Commission expected to allocate Rs 5,000 crore for the project in the 12th Five Year Plan. "The Planning Commission is expected to sanction Rs 5,000 crore for the design and development phase of the project in the 12th Plan," officials said.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12992 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 79):
Quoting aviationbuff (Reply 111):
Smart move by MR. PP to leave the sinking boat at the right time. Washing his hands off after slaughtering the beast and leaving it for the people of India to bear the pain. During his prime, I was one among many to consider him as the best aviation minister. I dont want to blame him completely, as there might be many more involved in the process, but he and Thulasidas were the major decision makers.

There was a very well written piece in Caravan Magazine a couple weeks (months?) back about his ministership. Truly a revealing read...



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12948 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 109):
Nokia Lumia 800........ its a new phone from Nokia with Windows platform
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 110):
Decaled at the 9W hangar in BOM.Ad for Nokia's New phone.

Ahh.... thanks....

I think it's quite okay to use aircraft exteriors for some advertising revenue.....but just wondering how useful it is considering that most Indian airports are not very spotter friendly......meaning, you hardly get any view of the planes outside...... the only time you get a view of the plane properly, is while boarding.....


User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 115, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12855 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 113):
There was a very well written piece in Caravan Magazine a couple weeks (months?) back about his ministership. Truly a revealing read...

Thanks for hinting about the article. Found it after a little bit of search. Its a very well written article.

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story.aspx?StoryID=1186&Page=1


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12774 times:

It says in this article that 9W is going to get rid of 77 aircraft in Q4!?!? That would leave them with 23 aircraft - that just cannot be right!

http://www.thehindu.com/business/companies/article2825777.ece


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 116):
It says in this article that 9W is going to get rid of 77 aircraft in Q4!?!? That would leave them with 23 aircraft - that just cannot be right!

Has to be an error in the report.....would be as good as shutting down the airline....


User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12546 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 117):
Has to be an error in the report.....would be as good as shutting down the airline

There is the gameplan is to sell and lease back the aircraft which they currently own and are operating.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12534 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 118):
There is the gameplan is to sell and lease back the aircraft which they currently own and are operating.

Thats a good way of reducing debt. In addition to ways of increasing revenue thru ancilliaries...... as the picture in post 92


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 120, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12371 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 118):
is the gameplan is to sell and lease back the aircraft which they currently own and are operating.

Yeah...i guessed it would be something like that....but the way the news report puts it, it almost sounds like they're reducing their fleet size to 23 odd planes...

Media - the less said the better....  


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 121, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Does anyone have know how total DEL charges compare to airports like FRA, NRT, PVG, and LAX?
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...s-new-fee/articleshow/11636486.cms

Quote:
Flying in and out of Delhi is going to get a lot more expensive from April. The Delhi International Airport Pvt Ltd (DIAL) has proposed a new charge called user development fee (UDF) for all passengers - departing, arriving and even transiting.

This will be in addition to the existing fees levied only on departing flyers - passenger service fee (PSF of Rs 207) and airport development fee of Rs 200 and Rs 1,300 for domestic and international passengers, respectively.

The proposal is, on an average, for charging a UDF of Rs 1,300-1,400 from international passengers and Rs 600 from domestic passengers. The UDF for passengers in transit is Rs 800 and Rs 360 for international and domestic transit flyers, respectively, said GMR Airports' chief financial officer Sidharth Kapur.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 122, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12210 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 121):
Quote:
Flying in and out of Delhi is going to get a lot more expensive from April. The Delhi International Airport Pvt Ltd (DIAL) has proposed a new charge called user development fee (UDF) for all passengers - departing, arriving and even transiting.

This will be in addition to the existing fees levied only on departing flyers - passenger service fee (PSF of Rs 207) and airport development fee of Rs 200 and Rs 1,300 for domestic and international passengers, respectively.

The proposal is, on an average, for charging a UDF of Rs 1,300-1,400 from international passengers and Rs 600 from domestic passengers. The UDF for passengers in transit is Rs 800 and Rs 360 for international and domestic transit flyers, respectively, said GMR Airports' chief financial officer Sidharth Kapur.

Did Mr. Kapur visit YYZ recently?   


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 123, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 122):

They have a way to go before they get anywhere close to Pearson level fees.



What the...?
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12173 times:

This is what was cited as the reason for the pullout of AirAsia X and AirAsia Thailand.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 125, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12152 times:

Kingfisher Airlines pilots threaten strike if salaries not paid.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-not-paid/articleshow/11644730.cms

Quote:
More than 200 pilots of the cash-strapped Kingfisher Airlines have threatened to strike work if their salaries for December are not paid by the end of this month, a deadline that the private carrier's promoter Vijay Mallya committed to earlier. The carrier has about 550 pilots.

The threatened strike may also jeopardise Kingfisher's plan to join the One World Alliance - a group of several global airlines - next month. Kingfisher stands to gain about 5% in revenues by joining the alliance, as it will get to connect with 800 cities across the world.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 126, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12154 times:

Finnair FAs celebrate Indian Republic day Bollywood style. Awesome job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEsnb3kUDAw&sns=fb


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 127, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12170 times:

If GMR massec up by promising too much to the government, I think it is unfair that passengers should pay. I hope this case goes to court.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 128, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

Thai AirAsia to start Chennai-Bangkok service from March 22.
http://www.traveltechie.com/news/Tha...Bangkok-service-from-March-22/3620

Quote:
Thai AirAsia plans to start five flights a week from Chennai to Bangkok from March 22, 2012. This addition has been made to boost the Airline’s network in India.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 129, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11689 times:

According to the GDS, Effective 3rd week of March 9W will be reducing flights on DEL - DOH and DEL - AUH each from daily to 5 weekly. On DEL - DOH QR operates double daily B77L + A330 along with 9W whereas on DEL - AUH EY and AI operate daily flights each along with 9W.


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User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

FRA DEL AI cancellation

Dear Partner,

After reviewing the route rationalization plans further, please find below the FINAL list of

cancelled flights for FEB / MAR’12

Feb’12: Flights Cancelled on every Monday & Wednesday, see following Dates

- 06.02.12

- 08.02.12

- 13.02.12

- 15.02.12

- 20.02.12

- 22.02.12

Mar’12: Flights Cancelled on every Tuesday & Thursday, see following Dates

- 06.03.12

- 08.03.12

- 13.03.12

- 15.03.12

- 20.03.12

- 22.03.12


User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

A nice video (30 minutes) and interview with JET AIRWAYS NARESH GOYAL. Enjoy!

http://starworld.startv.in/kwk/video...s-Achievers's-Club-::-Naresh-Goyal


User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11534 times:

IATA clearing house suspends troubled Kingfisher Airlines

http://www.eturbonews.com/27727/iata...raveler)&utm_content=Google+Reader


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 133, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11456 times:
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Quoting BSLFRA (Reply 132):
IATA clearing house suspends troubled Kingfisher Airlines

http://www.eturbonews.com/27727/iata...eader

Hmmm. I wonder that that does to their accession to OW? That is a pretty major step from IATA.

edited to add:

question answered!

OneWorld Puts Kingfisher On Hold (by commavia Feb 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Pretty significant step for OW to take less than a week out from the previously announced accession date, but they didn't really have a choice.

[Edited 2012-02-03 10:20:33]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 134, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 125):

Whats the update on this & Is the rumoured restart of quikjet from March 2012 true?.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 11232 times:

Wow, I didn't believe this when I read it on the TOI website, but it seems more believable when its on here -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16866616

How can a fireman possibly take over an air traffic controller's role?!


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 136, posted (2 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 11143 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 126):

Finnair rocks...nicely done, folks.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 137, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11022 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 133):
OneWorld Puts Kingfisher On Hold (by commavia Feb 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Pretty significant step for OW to take less than a week out from the previously announced accession date, but they didn't really have a choice.

Ouch., I know people at IT working towards this, feel bad for them but I guess OneWorld had no choice



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 138, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10828 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 135):

How can a fireman possibly take over an air traffic controller's role?!
Fireman Handles 9W Approach; ATC Forgot To Show (by EGSUcrew Feb 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 139, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

On a different note, I saw a show on the Mumbai airport upgrade. How's that coming along?


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 140, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

IndiGo to deploy 18% capacity on foreign routes. It should certainly increase fleet utilization, and hopefully profits.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/02/...deploy-18-capacity-on-foreign.html

Quote:
India’s largest low-cost carrier, IndiGo, plans to dedicate 18 per cent of its total capacity to the international sector. Currently, the airline flies four aircraft on the international sector, which is roughly eight per cent of current capacity.
“We think 15 to 18 per cent of the capacity should be in the international sector. By March, we would be a 55-aircraft fleet, and would be able to dedicate seven-eight aircraft exclusively to international operations, if the permissions come by then,” said IndiGo president Aditya Ghosh.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 139):
On a different note, I saw a show on the Mumbai airport upgrade. How's that coming along?

Construction is at full speed, you can view new pictures and almost daily updates provided by Skyscrapercity forum members at Skyscapercity's India - Aviation forum  


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 121):
Quote:
Flying in and out of Delhi is going to get a lot more expensive from April.

I already bought a ticket - will I still get charged this fee?

they are proposing a fee that increases with the distance of the flight - which seems to be part of what is getting some people upset about the EU ETS implementation.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 143, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 141):

Thanks...it's interesting to have a peek into the local perspective of the project.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 144, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10422 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 139):
On a different note, I saw a show on the Mumbai airport upgrade. How's that coming along?

Lots of Work going on both on airside & cityside.......



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 145, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 144):

I don't envy them for the work they'll have to do balancing the different factions battling for control. Like LHR too bad they can't seem to get another runway.



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User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 146, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Airlines in India to be allowed to import jet fuel

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...-jet-fuel/articleshow/11793870.cms

Quote:
India's cash-starved airlines will be allowed to import jet fuel directly under a plan approved by a government panel on Tuesday, a break that could help them cut fuel costs by up to 20 per cent but also require new spending.

Carriers led by Kingfisher Airlines have long demanded the right to import fuel, which accounts for about half of their operating costs, and airline shares soared on the news.

The airlines, almost all of which are losing money, are now required to buy fuel from oil marketing companies including government-controlled Indian Oil Corp, Hindustan Petroleum Corp and Bharat Petroleum Corp, which are mandated to levy various federal and state taxes.

Largely because of these taxes, jet fuel prices in India are among the highest in the world and the move to allow direct imports could reduce costs by 15 to 20 per cent, analysts said.

Some relief for the airlines.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 147, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10176 times:

Quoting aviationbuff (Reply 146):
Some relief for the airlines.

In the short-term, nothing will happen. The private airlports will not allow the airlines to bunker fuel, does Kingfisher even have the money to set up the massive logistical infrastructure to tanker the fuel from ports in Western India to airports across the country? Will the OMC's help? Fat chance. Will anybody, in any industry give Kingfisher credit? Fatter chance.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 148, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10155 times:

http://volkairlines.net/index.html

Are they for real? Their claim of being the "World's First Green Vegetarian Airline" and write up that follows is nothing short of hilarious.

Any idea about who they are?

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 148):
http://volkairlines.net/index.html

Are they for real? Their claim of being the "World's First Green Vegetarian Airline" and write up that follows is nothing short of hilarious.

Any idea about who they are?

brgds//Vimanav

Yes, it's a startup that may or may not ever exist. They plan to use A320s on domestic routes... Still in its early planning stages. I'll have a blog post up about it eventually...



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

Jet Airways delays payment to its staff for the second consecutive month.

http://economictimes.com/news/news-b...-salaries/articleshow/11809615.cms

It seems like only 6E is managing to stick it out - everyone else is having a rough time right now...



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 151, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10069 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 149):
Yes, it's a startup that may or may not ever exist. They plan to use A320s on domestic routes... Still in its early planning stages. I'll have a blog post up about it eventually...

Looks like a fake to me......they've used the image of an AI 777 in the lower left corner of the screen and blurred the tail....


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10091 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 151):
Looks like a fake to me......they've used the image of an AI 777 in the lower left corner of the screen and blurred the tail....

No - the site which was linked to is a sample site that was put up by a vendor that is bidding for a contract to run their website... I'm sure that once their real site is up, if it ever gets up, they'll do a better job with it...



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 153, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

According to the GDS, effective S12 the existing HYD - DXB daily flight will extend to Vishakapatnam.

AI 951 VTZ - HYD 1840 1940
----------HYD - DXB 2030 2225

AI 952 DXB - HYD 0015 0500
----------HYD - VTZ 0605 0705

Aircraft: A321, daily operation.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 154, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 150):

It seems like only 6E is managing to stick it out - everyone else is having a rough time right now...

INDIGO might have a problem in the next quarter with Aircraft orders placed.....a continous quarters of Profits is needed.at the moment only Bz/DHL see,s to be in profits with 16 yrs in a row...but then its cargo.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 155, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 142):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 121):Quote:
Flying in and out of Delhi is going to get a lot more expensive from April.
I already bought a ticket - will I still get charged this fee?

I remember reading that airlines may tack on this fee even if you bought your ticket before the change. I suggest you reach out to the airline and find out.

In other news, auditors cast doubts on SpiceJet's ability to stay afloat.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/02/...tors-cast-doubts-on-spicejets.html

Quote:
Auditors of low-cost airline SpiceJet have cast doubts over the company's ability to stay afloat as its accumulated losses have eroded its net worth.In a limited review report to SpiceJet directors, S R Batliboi & Associates said accumulated losses of Rs1,077.81 crore as of December 31 have "substantially" eroded the company's net worth, raising questions about the company's ability to continue as a "going concern".


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 156, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

India - Iraq flights to resume soon. Great news if it is true, India can play a pivotal role in rebuilding Iraq, in fact, Indian companies already are playing a major part. Kuwait and Royal Jordanian can't be too thrilled though.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-F...irect-flights/Article1-808972.aspx



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

CX cancels IT interline agreement citing ICH suspension.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...th-2-airlines/Article1-809307.aspx

KE did the same last week....



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

Kingfisher reinstated into IATA Clearing House

http://aeroblogger.com/2012/02/10/ki...lly-some-good-news-for-kingfisher/

Quote:
After weeks and weeks of bad news for Kingfisher, some good news has finally arrived. The IATA announced today that Kingfisher Airlines has been reinstated into its clearing house. This news comes a little over a week after Kingfisher’s membership was suspended.
...



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 158):
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 157):

So will KE & CX reinstate their interline agreement with IT again ?


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 160, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

Are there any Indian airband listeners here? I have an audio clip of a flight that I heard working Mumbai HF on 9 Feb in the afternoon, Indian driver, but I can't make out the callsign. Possibly "Go Star 778", or maybe something else entirely. Would anyone be willing to have a go at deciphering it for me please?  

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9492 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 160):
Possibly "Go Star 778"

I'm thinking it's GoAir 778...

Quoting AI (Reply 159):

So will KE & CX reinstate their interline agreement with IT again ?

not necessarily. IT can't join oneworld until CX reinstates their interline agreement, so IT will be lobbying hard for it to happen. But this is a very embarrassing incident for IT and it has made a lot of the industry lose confidence in them. It's not going to be easy...



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 162, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 161):
I'm thinking it's GoAir 778...

No sir. That was my first thought too, unless GoAir now uses that callsign? It was giving a departure message and routing, also appeared to be low level, all of which are very uncommon to hear on that frequency so I don't think it was a regular flight.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 163, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 160):
Are there any Indian airband listeners here? I have an audio clip of a flight that I heard working Mumbai HF on 9 Feb in the afternoon, Indian driver, but I can't make out the callsign. Possibly "Go Star 778", or maybe something else entirely. Would anyone be willing to have a go at deciphering it for me please?

I think I've actually figured it out to be Coastguard 778. I believe ICG has an Indian built Dornier 228 with that number 778 too so likely to be this. Can be heard giving a dept message from "Daman" and requests FL A060/50 (AMSL), endurance 6hrs 40mins, so would all seem to add up I think. What do you local guys reckon?


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 164, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

Green signal for Chennai's second airport likely by April-May.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/

Quote:
The new airport is likely to be completed by 2016-17 and is about 30 km from the existing one. An announcement for a second airport in Sriperumbudur, near Chennai, could be expected as early as April this year, official sources in the know told Business Line.

The cost of the project is estimated at Rs 6,000 crore. About 5,500 acres of land for the project has already been identified and a project report on the viability of the Sriperumbudur airport is already with the State Government.

Currently, it is proposed that the existing airport will operate alongside the new greenfield airport. “It will be left to the airlines to decide where they want to fly.

[Edited 2012-02-12 20:54:06]

[Edited 2012-02-12 20:54:41]

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 165, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9140 times:

Jet Airways flouted safety norms - this incident seems scary
http://www.livemint.com/2012/02/1300...flouted-safety-norms-will.html?h=E



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 166, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Jet, Kingfisher Airlines staff not paid for two months.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...wo-months/articleshow/11882581.cms

Quote:
Nearly 18,000 employees of Jet Airways and Kingfisher have not received salaries for two months, a reflection of the deepening crisis in the aviation industry.

On Monday, Kingfisher Airlines delayed payment of its December salaries again citing 'large unanticipated payments'. Employees of Jet Airways, the country's largest private carrier by market share, have not been paid for January. Both airlines together employ about 18,000 people in different functions across airports.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 167, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

How long can people go on without being paid? This is getting ridiculous.

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 168, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 167):
How long can people go on without being paid? This is getting ridiculous.

I think Air India's employees went 6 months without getting paid last year. So 9W and IT's employees not getting paid for 2 months is not quite on the same level yet...

That said, AI has managed to pay all employees on time this year. They deserve kudos for that.



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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 169, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8749 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 168):
That said, AI has managed to pay all employees on time this year. They deserve kudos for that.

It is a sad day when paying employees on time is regarded as something special.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 169):

It is a sad day when paying employees on time is regarded as something special.

Indeed. But the Indian aviation sector has been a mess for a long time now... Nothing new sadly  



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 171, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 168):
That said, AI has managed to pay all employees on time this year. They deserve kudos for that.

Didn't they just get a bunch of GOI cash so they could do that? Eventually, that cash co



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 172, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 171):

Didn't they just get a bunch of GOI cash so they could do that?

No, that cash was to cover their maintenance.

There was talk about moving AI employees onto the gov't payroll, since employees are civil servants after all. That would pretty much guarantee that employees get paid on time - the treasury department has a lot more cash than AI...



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