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Airbus Rolls Out First A320 With Sharklets  
User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 42419 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0-with-sharklets-installed-365108/


The next step in evolution of the A320-family!

Hopefully some more airlines will sign for sharklets for their A320 classics after the test flights.

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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 41585 times:

From the article:

"Installation of the sharklet requires inboard and outboard reinforcement to handle different loading, as well as changes to outer wing ribs to accommodate the structure."

Sounds like an expensive retrofit. Will it be more expensive to add sharklets to an A320 than to add Aviation Partners Boeing winglets to a 737?


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 41418 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 1):

Sounds like an expensive retrofit. Will it be more expensive to add sharklets to an A320 than to add Aviation Partners Boeing winglets to a 737?

I'm not sure it's available as a retrofit, just an option on new builds and standard on neo aircraft.


User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 41382 times:

This should be a great addition to the A320 series.

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 1):
Sounds like an expensive retrofit. Will it be more expensive to add sharklets to an A320 than to add Aviation Partners Boeing winglets to a 737?

I was thinking the same thing. It almost sounds as if they have to practically re-build the wing to give it the necessary strength. Sounds extremely expensive.

However quote from the article
"Sharklets, which replace the A320's wing fences, will reduce fuel-burn on the type by up to 3.5% on longer sectors of around 3,000nm (5,560km), Airbus claims.

The airframer also expects the sharklets - each of which is 2.5m (8.2ft) tall - to improve take-off performance by up to 3t."

This might make it worth while if the bus still has a lot of service life left. The 3tonne take off performance increase can open up certain routes from airports where the A320 suffers from weight limitations. So who knows, maybe in combination with a large maintenance check where the plane is out of service anyway it might be worth while. (I am no expert though so just guessing here  

All that said. It might be the angle of the photograph but I have to say the winglets don't look as "odd" as on the 737. The winglets on the 737 seem out of proportion to me where as they look okay on the A320 from this angle.


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 41338 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 1):
Sounds like an expensive retrofit.

All wing re-inforcements are the standard for all A320-wings Airbus will prdoduce from 2012 onwards.
No matter, if the airline ordered sharklets or the conventional wingtip fences.

Airbus is doing some re-inforcements and also weight savings to keep the weight of the "new" wing as low as possible.


To come back to your question:

The B737NG needed re-inforcements as well before winglet installation.

[Edited 2011-11-22 05:03:11]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 41125 times:

I notice new Typeface for Airbus A320, when did this change?

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2007 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 40892 times:

It just looks bizarre to me for some reason...I liked the triangular wingtips better, just seemed to flow better with the overall look of the A320. But I guess that's why I'm not an aerodynamics engineer  

User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 40472 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
I notice new Typeface for Airbus A320, when did this change?


Before roll-out with the sharklets.
In line with the new website.

[Edited 2011-11-22 06:59:19]

User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 40413 times:

Looks identical to the aviation partners blended winglet.
I suppose that is to be expected though, they do the same job, so will look similar. At least outwardly.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 40330 times:

I do not expect too much interest for retrofit, since going from wingtip fences to sharklets is of lower intererest than the nothing to sharklets on the 737NG.

User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 38872 times:

Thank god the A380 still has fences. Somehow I don't like the optics of the sharklets (too big compared to the smaller aircraft that have them). My preference still are the wingtips on the 747 / A330 / A340 or the tip-fence combi on the MD11.
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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13536 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 37539 times:
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Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
I'm not sure it's available as a retrofit, just an option on new builds and standard on neo aircraft.

The sharklets are not retrofittable to pre-2012 build A320s.  

Airbus has promised a less effective sharklet as a retrofit. I've lost the thread on the retrofit winglets... any news?

Quoting bj87 (Reply 3):
The 3tonne take off performance increase can open up certain routes from airports where the A320 suffers from weight limitations.

That will be huge. In particular for B6 from BUR and other airlines doing TCON length missions with the A320.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
I do not expect too much interest for retrofit, since going from wingtip fences to sharklets is of lower intererest than the nothing to sharklets on the 737NG.

Even a 2% drop in fuel burn with a mere 1t payload/fuel improvement would help. There will be interest as long as Airbus completes the A320 life cycle extension. (Which they should.)

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User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 37459 times:
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Quoting bj87 (Reply 3):
The winglets on the 737 seem out of proportion to me

They do seem gangly on the ground especially bouncing around when taxiing but in the air I think they look dead sexy.

744 winglets are still my favourite.


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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 36786 times:

Its going to make it harder to distinguish 737s from A320s from a distance now.

A330 has my favorite look for its angled wingtips.


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 35964 times:

My favorite winglets are definitely the ones on the 767-300ER. Those things are freaking huge!

Anyone know what the EIS of the first sharkletted A320 is?


User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 35740 times:

Next thing we know they are gonna start putting 8ft winglets on the ends of the horizontal stabilizers as well   All kidding aside its great that the addition of winglets can really make such a measureable difference. I will also say I am pleasantly surprised at how nice they look on the A320. To me the A320 looks less sleek than the 737's so I was expecting winglets to look a bit goofy, but overall they look great!!

User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 35456 times:
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Since we´re voting:

B744 / A330 / A340 are the nicest looking "lets".
Very subtle, very sleek……..

Embraer has nice ones too……..but on the B737 / 767 they seem too big!
I guess the A320 will go that way too……….


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User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 35451 times:

Quoting 328JET (Thread starter):

Hopefully some more airlines will sign for sharklets for their A320 classics after the test flights.

Hahaha! I remember, when Boeing launched with API the wingleted 737, Airbus relatives saying "yeah, We do not need any 'fast and furious' styled winglets on our planes, the A320 wing is just perfect...."
And now, some years later... This! The Airbus' "Sharklets"....
Ridiculous, really!



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User currently offlinemy235 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 34592 times:

My gracious Airbus! It's about time those wing fences got replaced. 3.5% doesn't sound all that much though. And only on the longest sectors? All this is talk as well. We shall see.

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 34537 times:

I don't know if these should be called "Sharklets" anymore.

The final product:



...is a far cry from the prototypes that gave it the name "Sharklet":



The final product just looks like a regular blended winglet. It would have been cool if they went with one that looked like the A330/A340 winglets like they originally researched:



But, if it saves gas, it saves gas...and that is what counts LOL!



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 34155 times:

They look slick!

Lets hope there's a repeat of what happened with the introduction of the 737 winglets, how most airlines added them to their existing fleet.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 33699 times:

Quoting my235 (Reply 18):
3.5% doesn't sound all that much though.

The savings are about the same as from APB winglets installed on Boeing aircraft. It's not much, but sure it adds up through the life of the airframe.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 33619 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 19):

Actually, the final product looks like a hybrid of the two earlier design you posted.

It doesn't look too bad, given the A320 doesn't have a look that accepts winglets easily, unlike the 737.



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 33063 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 22):
Quote:
It doesn't look too bad, given the A320 doesn't have a look that accepts winglets easily, unlike the 737.

I'd say people would get used to it very fast!


User currently offlineATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 32556 times:

Very nice. I feel like B6's test winglets looked very cool and 'aggressive' if you will, but all in all this new roll out winglet actually looks better... more real looking lol Also if we're voting on favorite winglets:

-737
-A330
-767


25 N14AZ : That's exactly what I thought when I saw that picture. The sharklet presented some months ago e.g. when they announced that NZ order ended like the s
26 Hamlet69 : As mentioned, retrofit on older A32X's is not an option. The reinforcements necessary to make them work are too substantial to be economically feasib
27 ikramerica : Yeah, it was a silly name to start with, now it's just pointless. But I guess they want to differentiate between the blended winglet Boeing is using,
28 AirPacific747 : I would like to see some more pictures before making a decision whether I like this change or not :P I wonder why Airbus used wing fences on the A380,
29 Speedbird128 : Wing size. To remain inside the 80m ground box, it had to be wingtip fences.
30 cipango : An A380 with winglets would be a beautiful bird! I suppose they would be quite large in comparison to the aircraft (like the 767 winglets).
31 Post contains images Glareskin : Compared to the 737 you are right, because the A320 has more clearance and not so pointy nose (the 737 isn't mama's beauty anyway, especially in Sout
32 ikramerica : Not sure how a bulbous nose is any less homely than cone nose. Neither is all that sexy. Now, Concorde had a sexy nose, at least when retracted.
33 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I wonder what it would do to the flight performance if they shortened the wing a bit to make room for real winglets.. would be interesting to ask som
34 Post contains images U2380 : I'd imagine it would need a tad more thrust. Six engines anyone? Field performance probably wouldn't be too great either. I'd imagine that performanc
35 rjm777ual : I hope United orders some!! is there a time frame for the first delivery yet?
36 kamboi : Winglets on 744 and A330 & A340 are the best looking. Blended wings looks awful as you can see the pointed end from the other side of the plane.
37 Post contains links and images gytr31 : With the launch customer Air New Zealand in Q4 2012 was the original plan... Looks not too bad!
38 Post contains images Glareskin : I don't say that the A320 nose is a lot better but since the plane is more 'bullish' in total it is not as bad looking with the sharklets. That would
39 CALTECH : That perfect Airbus wing didn't need winglets like the Boeing, as so many Anetters claimed. Hilarious, really. These winglets look good on the Airbus
40 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Just cancel the A380 programme and restart the AN-225 programme and convert it to a passenger plane
41 Post contains images EPA001 : Looks very good imho. . I knew about the fuel saving (on the longer routes). But I am quite surprised that the take-off performance is gaining this m
42 Post contains images BrouAviation : But I am afraid the majority of the routes flown by A32S worldwide are far, far below that distance. Furthermore I am interested to learn if that thr
43 QatarA340 : I heard QR's last 3 or 4 A320s will be fitted with shark lets. This will help its flights to Europe and Africa.
44 Eagleboy : Really?
45 ikramerica : A380 and 777 both. A380 just looks wrong, and the 777 looks funky because the 767 nose is grafted on the larger diameter 777 fuse.
46 nz2 : At least the 737 looks like a proper Airliner, cant beat that classic look from the 60's. The A320 is a goofy looking thing that looks like a plastic
47 CALTECH : Hey, the 777 is just a fat 767. And its forehead was getting big. But that A-380, just can't get over that forehead, love the wings and engines on it
48 tdscanuck : If you're in the area, go by the front door of the Museum Of Flight in Seattle...they've got a blended winglet prototype for a 747 out front. "Freaki
49 qfa787380 : Which begs the question of how much wing strengthening will the Neo need with larger, heavier engines and the option of sharklets? Sounds like it cou
50 neutronstar73 : I do agree somewhat, but sometimes an airplane with simple wings (without added fences or winglets or what have you) looks damn good. I think the 757
51 BE77 : Somewhere out there is an RJ and a building that wish the limit had been 78m or so....
52 Post contains links rheinwaldner : I wonder whether the news that sharklets can be retrofitted have not yet crossed the Atlantic. Because at least JetBlue is not only aware of that opt
53 parapente : On top of the range increases due to the "NEO" and the 3.5%of the new BW,what additional range does 3 T of fuel give - if the exra weight/lift was use
54 r2rho : Airbus already tried some designs in the past and concluded that the meager gains did not outweigh the weight penalty from the required structural re
55 328JET : We also should not forget, that the wingtip-fences were already a change to the original wing of the A320-100. So basically Airbus is improving the w
56 tdscanuck : I don't think that's the correct conclusion to draw...if the A320 wing requires more strengthening to handle the the winglet, one possible explanatio
57 Post contains links and images Hamlet69 : Ummm. . . . what?? As we are talking about the "sharklet" winglet option, I'll re-link the OP's article for your convienence, as you clearly did not
58 Post contains images astuteman : If I could make a couple of points here..... Firstly, it would be nice to see a reference of some sort to corroborate the "over 1000kg worth of stren
59 ferpe : I believe the swept wingtips also gives a lift addition on the B designs, that is why the 77W could increase it'S MTOW so much when the swept wingtip
60 packsonflight : As I recall Airbus said that the extra strengthening of the wing is around 200 kg but with a additional weight saving program the sharklets would be w
61 astuteman : While we're busy pointing out selective quoting..... Also from the article linked by Rheinwaldner... Comments that seem to indicate that the retrofit
62 Post contains images EPA001 : As always you are making some very valid points here. .
63 Post contains links and images astuteman : It doesn't take much googling to emphasize the points above.... http://www.atkinsglobal.co.uk/en/projects/airbus-a320-sharklet http://blog.flightstory
64 lightsaber : Exactly. Extra margin anywhere is surplus metal. Oh, it should all have positive margin for planned MTOW increases or thrust increases, but that is i
65 Hamlet69 : Then a simple, honest question: if my source is wrong (sorry, there is no link as this was told to me by a rep in person), why have two different opti
66 astuteman : That seems fairly straightforward to me. The new-build sharklet fit requires a wing with 200kg of extra material in it (a much fairer comparison to t
67 Post contains images sf260 : This looks so nice! Imo, this makes the A320 better looking than the 737NG. Anyone knows what the increased span is vs the normal wingtip fences? For
68 stratosphere : I don't get it I called the normal winglets that the A320 has as "sharklets" as it looks as such...This is a blended winglet that they are calling a "
69 Eagleboy : I would assume that Airbus wanted to market their product as different to the Boeing option. And the initial mock-up images had a pointed tip, so sha
70 wn700driver : Like the ones for the 763, but larger still then? Also, is that a new exhibit? It's been since 2007 since I've gone to that museum. Looks like it's t
71 FlyASAGuy2005 : While we'are talking about foreheads. Ever taken a look at an A300 head-on? That thing is monstrously ugly, especially in AA's bare metal. Those wing
72 beertrucker : As far as a retrofit I bet they do what Boeing did. They offer it on the new builds and the ones that were added to planes were aftermarket. If I reme
73 rheinwaldner : Retrofitting is not excluded in that wording. It is simply not covered by that article. At least the aircraft on the picture is a retrofit, isn't it?
74 Post contains links and images tdscanuck : Yes. Here's a picture: It's been there for 4 years at least because that's when I first saw it...the last data I found says that it actually flew in
75 yeelep : The 737NG winglets are the same whether aftermarket or OEM sourced. Aviation Partners Boeing are the sole supplier, which is a joint venture between
76 beertrucker : Thank you I thought it was the other way. I mis understood.
77 474218 : Beauty is an opinion, what looks good to one person may look ugly to another person. I have even read on a.net that some people think the DC-10 and M
78 notaxonrotax : Yes yes, that is why I mentioned "vote". This implies personal preference. Beauty in a conversion table would be rather weird: from kg´s to metric t
79 Post contains links 328JET : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...dustrie/Airbus-A320-211/2023333/L/ Strange, this Embraer 320...
80 123 : That shark smile on the photo at airliners net of this new A320 is a pure copy of 5L's famous "Sharko" B767!
81 Acheron : Hardly. Particularly when the entire 767 is painted as a shark.
82 Post contains links flood : Nice little video from Airbus showing some of the mod work and decal application: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na9AI1L6fFg&hd=1 No comparison IM
83 Post contains links tozbek : An offical video from Airbus about the first flight of sharklet mounted A320: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpIaXd-4QGU
84 BlueSky1976 : She's definitely the most beautiful narrowbody now. Congratulations to Airbus Industrie. This makes me even more anxious about the NEO family.
85 Post contains images Phen : Interesting to see them trying out the new strobe light position too - on the port winglet the strobe light is on the leading edge just up from the ro
86 N766UA : Agreed. They look and function exactly like the blended winglets Boeing, Hawker, Cessna, and others have been offering for years. I don't really unde
87 NZ2 : Really??
88 BlueSky1976 : Really. Filler Filler
89 Post contains images Flying Belgian : About that very test airframe: Is it really cn001 ? I mean how can an A320-214 (so a more recent engine) be cn001 ? Looking at the Airbus video, the c
90 travelavnut : Why? They did just fine sales-wise with the wingfences since 1989. I really don't understand all those comments about Airbus "finally catching on", i
91 Post contains links queb : CN001 is a A320-111 http://www.planespotters.net/Product...20/001,F-WWBA-Airbus-Industrie.php
92 Post contains links scbriml : There are some "politics" going on behind the scenes. Airbus is suing API in an atempt to avoid having to pay royalties. http://www.bloomberg.com/news
93 Post contains links yeelep : This has been brewing for years. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...blended-winglet-technology-206428/
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