LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7023 times:
This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6915 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2): . In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3): Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau
LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6570 times:
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4): these two facts maybe related
I am sure you are correct. Qingdao used to be called Tsingtao and the local beer, which is exported worldwide, is named after the city. For 33 years up until 1949, Qingdao was a colony of Germany and Japan and today the city still retains a great amount of European architecture.
Apparently Qingdao is a beautiful city. Hopefully LH's new service will put this interesting but little-known city on the tourist trail.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6326 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
in fact, the aircraft used for this new flight comes from the axed FRA-CAN route.
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):
The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?
I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).
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squared From Canada, joined May 2005, 384 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6239 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 8): Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).
I believe it was a tag-on for the MUC-ICN route... Leveraging the larger FRA hub may be a better bet this time around.
Akiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 603 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5705 times:
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 12): Axe CAN and add these less important cities? I don't get it!
I think it's safe to presume that LH can't make CAN work as CZ is expanding and SkyTeam is cementing its presence at the largest hub of one of its members. So why not try some smaller cities where LH and Star can cement their presence, right?
The choice of SHE though is puzzling: it's a CZ focus city, unless they intend to focus more on O/D traffic or, also likely, on connection opportunities via Frankfurt.
deconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5483 times:
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6): The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?
nojetlag From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
The flight from Seoul used to leave at very early like 5:30am. Shenyang is (apart from what LH said) also the centre of an energy province and has I am told they have the largest open cast coal mine in the world. I have asked many times can I go and see it and the answer is no. During the past few years when the export factories down south were going through hard times this area has done well with exports of energy especially to Russia. A stable and prosperous economy, which may need lots of German technology to keep expanding, could be another reason why these flights are being added. I visit there several times a year and it is expanding.
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1179 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
At some point some of these "smaller" Chinese cities will be a hit. When is the question. I don't think now is the answer.
Both of these have 8+ million metro areas per Wiki - 5 million "urban" for SHE and 3 million for TAO.
Per some wiki data:
SHE has the 11th largest urban population, 17th largest GDP, and 35th largest GDP per capita.
TAO has the 28th largest urban, 11th largest GDP, and 24th largest GDP per capita.
CAN has has 4th largest urban population, 4th largest GDP, and 7th largest GDP per capita.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2109 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4399 times:
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7): I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.
Fair enough, but also it is not so desirable to get at destination before 5 AM! And for those connecting, it would be an unnecessary long time until connections leave. Plus, 4 hrs layover is pretty standard. It can be made shorter if need be, but there's nothing exceptional about it.
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
Qingdao is a beautiful city, with interesting architecture from the German's. Shandong Province also has a large pop, something like 98m, so plenty to go for. TAO has intl flight to Japan, Korea, Taiwan and HKG at present. There are also some large manufacturers around Qingdao, Haier for one. The quality of products from the Qingdao area is also high, we have most of our kit made there and assemble in Suzhou (why Suzhou I do not know, not my decision!!).
LH have made a wise decision, they have the South covered with HKG, and the transport links from HKG into China are very easy.
CI fly their 340's into TAO. 330's of KE, Dragonair, Sichuan and others are regular, so widebody Airbus cover will not be a problem. EVA send their 744's mostly.
Semaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 769 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4): Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau
these two facts maybe related
Mh... LH starting up this route might be a good excuse to finally check out my 1920's Chinese ancestry....
Oh yeah and then there's the beer
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MCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
Wow, I definitely got this one wrong. I thought we wouldn't see a European carrier in TAO for a loooong time. As a former resident of Qingdao, I'm happy for the folks there, though I'd've wished they'd started the route a few years ago while I was still living there.
However, we shouldn't conflate the fact that QD was a German colony with LH starting this route. Outside of architecture and the awesome brewery, Germany has little remaining influence in the area stemming largely from the fact that Qingdao just wasn't a colony for that long (only about thirty years). This route is starting because of Qingdao's large number of manufacturing and corporate interests (like, as col said, Haier, one of China's biggest manufacturing companies, is based there).
[Edited 2011-11-22 23:09:22]
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25 Glareskin: Wikipedia states differently. From the major Chinese cities (exept Hong Kong) Shenzen comes first and then Guangzhou before Shanghai. http://en.wikip
26 PanHAM: hardly. It is all about slots and the stupid FRA curfew. Block times 22h15 to 05h30 give some leeway for late departure, early arrival.
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