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LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao  
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8476 times:

LH announced today the start of a 3 weekly service to Shenyang and Qingdao in China:

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...2011/november/22/article/2034.html

the Schedule is as follows:

LH784 FRA2215 – 1430+1SHE1550+1 – 1720+1TAO 343 135
LH785 TAO2105 – 2245SHE0015+1 – 0530+1FRA 343 246

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User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

LH to TAO, both ironic and very belated

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.

And with German origins, as Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau, which still shows in the architecture.



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User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau

these two facts maybe related


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
these two facts maybe related

I am sure you are correct. Qingdao used to be called Tsingtao and the local beer, which is exported worldwide, is named after the city. For 33 years up until 1949, Qingdao was a colony of Germany and Japan and today the city still retains a great amount of European architecture.

Apparently Qingdao is a beautiful city. Hopefully LH's new service will put this interesting but little-known city on the tourist trail.


User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?


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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):

This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.

in fact, the aircraft used for this new flight comes from the axed FRA-CAN route.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):

The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?

I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7591 times:
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Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).


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User currently offlinesquared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).

I believe it was a tag-on for the MUC-ICN route... Leveraging the larger FRA hub may be a better bet this time around.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7520 times:
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Quoting squared (Reply 9):
I believe it was a tag-on for the MUC-ICN route

thanks, now that you mention it that sounds like what I was thinking of. Glad to see that I haven't lost all of my marbles ( yet).



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

correct, SHE was served via ICN ex MUC. If I'm not mistaken there is a BWM plant and that was the targeted customer group at that times.

User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Axe CAN and add these less important cities? I don't get it!


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 12):
Axe CAN and add these less important cities? I don't get it!

I think it's safe to presume that LH can't make CAN work as CZ is expanding and SkyTeam is cementing its presence at the largest hub of one of its members. So why not try some smaller cities where LH and Star can cement their presence, right?

The choice of SHE though is puzzling: it's a CZ focus city, unless they intend to focus more on O/D traffic or, also likely, on connection opportunities via Frankfurt.

[Edited 2011-11-22 13:44:17]

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Its great to see European airlines flying to "secondary" cities in China.

I know that AF and KL have already started flying to cities like XMN, CTU and soon to be WUH.

BA will follow when some aircrafts free up.


User currently onlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):
The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?

What? 1720 to 2105 is hardly a long layover!


User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 15):
What? 1720 to 2105 is hardly a long layover!

ahh well, almost 4 hours, maybe they can schedule for something to happen there, maybe to clean the outside of the a/c in a cheaper place?



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User currently offlinenojetlag From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6033 times:
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The flight from Seoul used to leave at very early like 5:30am. Shenyang is (apart from what LH said) also the centre of an energy province and has I am told they have the largest open cast coal mine in the world. I have asked many times can I go and see it and the answer is no. During the past few years when the export factories down south were going through hard times this area has done well with exports of energy especially to Russia. A stable and prosperous economy, which may need lots of German technology to keep expanding, could be another reason why these flights are being added. I visit there several times a year and it is expanding.

[Edited 2011-11-22 16:45:56]

User currently offlineplanewasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 14):
Its great to see European airlines flying to "secondary" cities in China.

I know that AF and KL have already started flying to cities like XMN, CTU and soon to be WUH.

I hope someone start flying to Shenzhen soon. Flying to Hong Kong and then go to Shenzhen takes time.


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

At some point some of these "smaller" Chinese cities will be a hit. When is the question. I don't think now is the answer.

Both of these have 8+ million metro areas per Wiki - 5 million "urban" for SHE and 3 million for TAO.


Per some wiki data:
SHE has the 11th largest urban population, 17th largest GDP, and 35th largest GDP per capita.
TAO has the 28th largest urban, 11th largest GDP, and 24th largest GDP per capita.
CAN has has 4th largest urban population, 4th largest GDP, and 7th largest GDP per capita.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):
I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.

Fair enough, but also it is not so desirable to get at destination before 5 AM! And for those connecting, it would be an unnecessary long time until connections leave. Plus, 4 hrs layover is pretty standard. It can be made shorter if need be, but there's nothing exceptional about it.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

we shouldn't forget the cargo demand as well

User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Qingdao is a beautiful city, with interesting architecture from the German's. Shandong Province also has a large pop, something like 98m, so plenty to go for. TAO has intl flight to Japan, Korea, Taiwan and HKG at present. There are also some large manufacturers around Qingdao, Haier for one. The quality of products from the Qingdao area is also high, we have most of our kit made there and assemble in Suzhou (why Suzhou I do not know, not my decision!!).

LH have made a wise decision, they have the South covered with HKG, and the transport links from HKG into China are very easy.

CI fly their 340's into TAO. 330's of KE, Dragonair, Sichuan and others are regular, so widebody Airbus cover will not be a problem. EVA send their 744's mostly.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau

these two facts maybe related

Mh... LH starting up this route might be a good excuse to finally check out my 1920's Chinese ancestry....
Oh yeah and then there's the beer   



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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Wow, I definitely got this one wrong. I thought we wouldn't see a European carrier in TAO for a loooong time. As a former resident of Qingdao, I'm happy for the folks there, though I'd've wished they'd started the route a few years ago while I was still living there.

However, we shouldn't conflate the fact that QD was a German colony with LH starting this route. Outside of architecture and the awesome brewery, Germany has little remaining influence in the area stemming largely from the fact that Qingdao just wasn't a colony for that long (only about thirty years). This route is starting because of Qingdao's large number of manufacturing and corporate interests (like, as col said, Haier, one of China's biggest manufacturing companies, is based there).

[Edited 2011-11-22 23:09:22]


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25 Post contains links Glareskin : Wikipedia states differently. From the major Chinese cities (exept Hong Kong) Shenzen comes first and then Guangzhou before Shanghai. http://en.wikip
26 PanHAM : hardly. It is all about slots and the stupid FRA curfew. Block times 22h15 to 05h30 give some leeway for late departure, early arrival.
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