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Delta's Sideways Widget On The Early DC-9-14 & -32  
User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

In reading an old Airliners magazine, I learned that Delta had the sideways widget on DC-9-14s starting in November 1965. The same widget design was also found on some DC-9-32s. There were two reasons for the "sideways widget". First, it was felt that the small tail area of the DC-9 (compared to the DC-8) made the straight widget look too cramped. Second, Delta marketing thought that the sideways widget looked more streamlined. Placing the widget on its side made it look like a rocket pushing in the direct that the airplane was moving.

The widgets on the nacelles and forward fuselage matched the orientation on the vertical tail.

DC-9-14 with sideways widget and upright widget:

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DC-9-32 with sideways widget and upright widget:

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[Edited 2011-11-23 15:22:39]


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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Huh I never noticed that before. Wonder if someone has the answer.


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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 1):
Huh I never noticed that before. Wonder if someone has the answer.

I didn't see an actual question...

Though it's interesting nonetheless.

Man, the DC-9-14 was a funny looking little plane.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

They were like the sports car model of the DC-9. Fun to ride in too. Flew on them a bunch with DL in the early 70's. This was the aircraft that brought pure jet service to a lot of cities that didn't have it before. A lot had to do with the fact that it was a self contained aircraft, no ground equipment needed.


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

I've often thought that Delta's latest livery would look better with the widget laying on its side, like the early 9's.


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User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

One cool thing about the current livery at least: the first sideways (albeit truncated) widget since thse birds!


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User currently offlinebrushpilot From France, joined Mar 2010, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

The early version " upright widget " with full tittle DELTA AIR LINES is missing ( DC9-14 only ).

Really nice to remember those birds... Many thanks !


User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 2):
Man, the DC-9-14 was a funny looking little plane.

I agree.

By today's definition, this would be considered to be a RJ and not flown by Delta (mainline) at all.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4992 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

The sideways widget was originally a trademark, and appeared in ads before it appeared on the aircraft.

Remember at the time, all of Delta's aircraft had different paint schemes depending on the type. The DC-8 and Convair 880 each had their own image, and when the DC-9 was introduced, it bore this new scheme with the sideways widget.

When it was decided that the jets would all have one paint scheme, the "upright" widget was devised, and soon all jet aircraft wore this scheme. Other than the Herc, no prop aircraft wore the widget scheme in those days.

Quoting brushpilot (Reply 6):
The early version " upright widget " with full tittle DELTA AIR LINES is missing ( DC9-14 only ).

Also missing, is the "Delta Prince" titles, as the DC-9 was called when introduced.

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 7):
By today's definition, this would be considered to be a RJ and not flown by Delta (mainline) at all.

True, but it was an increase in capacity over the CV440 and DC-6/7 it replaced.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6917 times:


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Here is the original colourscheme on the DC9-14



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User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 7):
By today's definition, this would be considered to be a RJ and not flown by Delta (mainline) at all.

It was a common type with the DC9-30 and DC9-50. Why would any airline split it off and loose that commonality and ability to substitute a/c as needed?



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Never seen the words "Delta Prince" on a DC8, and I have seen a lot of them. Does anyone have a photo of this?


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4992 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
Never seen the words "Delta Prince" on a DC8, and I have seen a lot of them. Does anyone have a photo of this?

It was on the DC-9, not the DC-8. And I don't think it lasted very long, as it was a marketing term. The "Delta Prince" title was on the nose, under the cockpit windows.

If you have the R.E.G. Davies book, "Delta, an airline and its aircraft" it is pictured there. Also, you will see it in a couple of Cearley's books, during the Delta Introduction of the DC-9.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 10):
Quoting flyhossd (Reply 7):
By today's definition, this would be considered to be a RJ and not flown by Delta (mainline) at all.

It was a common type with the DC9-30 and DC9-50. Why would any airline split it off and loose that commonality and ability to substitute a/c as needed?

The DC-9-14/15 series is actually about 4 feet longer overall than the 737-200 due to the T-tail configuration.

[Edited 2011-11-24 15:27:51]

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
It was on the DC-9, not the DC-8

I had actually meant to type in DC9, typo on my part. Thanks for telling me where to look.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The DC-9-14/15 series is actually about 4 feet longer overall than the 737-200 due to the T-tail configuration.

That's amazing.



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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 10):
It was a common type with the DC9-30 and DC9-50. Why would any airline split it off and loose that commonality and ability to substitute a/c as needed?

I never to meant to suggest otherwise. Rather, I simply pointing out that a twin jet with a capacity of this size (DC-9-10 series) would be flown by a regional airline "vendor" today. In other words, it was an observation about how things have changed.

Is that a good thing? I have my opinion, you're certainly entitled to yours.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Interesting to think that NW flew the DC-9-10 up through 2005, the -30 through Sept. 2011, the -40 through Jan. 2011, and still has the -50.

The -10 series really is what the 70-seat RJs is of today.


User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

Excellent topic and wouldn't it be something if the folks at DELTA could find a way to get this scheme slapped on a dash 50 before their days with the Widget are finally done!


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User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 8):

Remember at the time, all of Delta's aircraft had different paint schemes depending on the type. The DC-8 and Convair 880 each had their own image, and when the DC-9 was introduced, it bore this new scheme with the sideways widget.

When it was decided that the jets would all have one paint scheme, the "upright" widget was devised, and soon all jet aircraft wore this scheme.

Well, not quite.  

While it is true that the initial DC-8s and the CV-880s were delivered with fleet-specific schemes, the "upright" Widget was on Delta metal long before the arrival of the sole "Delta Prince" (N3304L) and 'his' siblings. In April 1962 Delta's first DC-8-51 FanJet was delivered in full (upright) Widget livery, as were all subesquent deliveries. During 1963 the turbojet DC-8s were converted to FanJet power and received Widget paint. By the time DC-9 deliveries began in 1965, the entire Delta DC-8 fleet would have been sporting a Widget.

The DC-9 provided an interesting 'canvas' for Delta's marketing department to work with. What they came up with, in my mind, was genius!

Yukon



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Either way, this DL livery is the best of them all. Why did they change a timeless good thing. Today's DL livery is generic boooring!


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10432 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 8):
Other than the Herc, no prop aircraft wore the widget scheme in those days.

Not early on, but after the Northeast merger, the FH227s sported the standard "Widget" scheme.



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

All they told us in training is what you already mentioned: that the sideways widget was that way to represent moving forward or motion in that direction.


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User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Ahh the irony...

After all these years the Widget is starting to lean forward again...
and the DC-9 is back in the fleet again too!

 



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